MarchMelodies ago

Shove your face into a fireplace and die writing in pain after your eyeballs burst shit eating asshole.

3topcat ago

JUST PLEDGED TO PAY $5 A MONTH FOR ONE YEAR WITH MY CREDIT CARD. Wish I could do more, but I have a Handicapped brother to care for. If everyone on voat will just give $5 a month I am sure you would be OK.

vivalad ago

dammit. just got here & I like it. that's a lot of shekkles.

pebcak ago

EVERYONE - If you came here from another, similar site, then you probably have had ad block enabled for quite some time. Please be sure to whitelist voat.co and lets ads through. It's a small way to show your support and it costs you nothing.

crazily ago

hey palmer lucky where you at bro

stuck_in_the_matrix ago

Can you send me a quick e-mail to [email protected] so I have your e-mail. I'd like to help Voat survive. I know some people in the industry that may be able to help out. I archive Reddit comments and submissions and do other data sciencey stuff.

One thing I have been meaning to discuss with you is making public comments and submissions on Voat available via Voat's API. One of the things that will help Voat survive is making it developer friendly through a fully functional API.

I'm not sure if comments and submissions are currently available via Voat's API and I know your primary concern right now is keeping Voat afloat, but let's keep the lines of communication open and discuss going forward.

Best of luck to you -- please reply if you have time.

(I tried to PM you but Voat yelled at me for not having enough credits)

freeasinfreedom ago

Can you give the community an idea of what features of Azure you are running? How many instances etc. There are a lot of us who work in the IT industry that would be able to help you find solutions to getting off Azure. I am sure we could greatly reduce costs by purchasing licenses of the microsoft products you actually need and finding servers for lease or co-location and having you install owned licenses. then we can look at what can be moved to open source and what has to remain on .net. Anything Azure or AWS will kill you in costs I bet this site would run on less that $2000 a month in equipment and could be tuned for $1000 a month over the remainder of the year. The only way that can happen is to know what your real needs are.

MarchMelodies ago

You talk shit about this site being about free speech, but you have code that limits speech when people don't like what is said. Negative karma causes a 3 post and 10 comment per day limit.

Fuck you liar.

Enjoy telling your future non-employers that you ran a massive hate speech website for three years.

nobslob ago

Switch to opensource!

Anchy ago

It is a wild ride, internet is both good and bad. Voat will and has to live on :-)

tcmaloc ago

A site created only out of paranoia that deliberately rips off a more popular site without adding more revenue streams can't find investors? Shock horror.

In all seriousness, Best of luck.

guinness2 ago

If anyone is generous enough to make a reoccurring monthly donation then please let Goats4Voat know because they are keeping a ledger of recent reoccurring donation... and they will treat you like a king!

BobFromSales ago

Maybe you could decentralize it so that it's open and owned by all?

VoatIsCancer ago

just shut this cancerous website down

niggernigger ago

I am drunk, how much money do you need?

BananaBoater ago

Really hope a way can be found to keep us afloat!

someguyblah ago

Work on another server, create a new code base so you're not shackled, and go from there. I can help. PM me...

crunchyscallop3 ago

What? No Angels for Nazi sympathizer sites?

That's a surprise!

Haramsin ago

You try pretty hard to troll.

Too bad your a retarded faggot so you won't be successful. Good luck.

MaxEisenhardt ago

This is my first post, I just joined. My life is too busy and I have too many responsibilities to stay active in any given forum. However, I think Voat represents something pretty cool. I have children and I worry about their future. I'm worried that the rest of the worthless fucking world along with liberals will destroy this great place. With the propaganda and total government control of our schools, our media, and the internet... Where will my children find solace with other non-third world shit stains? Reading this post and the replies, gives me hope. I'm tired of the world and the current assault against what my people have created.

For the past however many hundreds of thousands of years men like me have been hunting, gathering, and procreating while those liberal faggots stayed in camp and drew pictures and complained. This is how they fucking repay me? Fuck them. Fuck all of them.

I want to help.

PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN ago

I’ve lost my business partner whom I miss a lot, I’ve lost people in my life, I’ve given up golf which was my passion, and even with all this I still believe in Voat.

No offense, but that doesn't sound good.

9214568? ago

That part really sounded bad. It's probably better for him to just walk away.

crunchyscallop ago

Voat needs to purge the Nazis... and then maybe an Angel will appear.

Haramsin ago

Then leave.

crunchyscallop ago

Fuck no... it's too much fun laughing at all the moron goose steppers around here.

Haramsin ago

Is that something you do to cope with the fear of your ignorance being dismantled?

Stay if you'd like, but you will be a retarded shill wherever you go; here we will notice and you will get called out for it.

Have a great day. .

MaxEisenhardt ago

I don't really identify with a party... But knowing the history of Germany.. And then the scenes in Europe during the 80's.. 90's... And now... "Nazis" are a bunch of far-left dipshit retards. Sorry dude, but being identified as a "nazi" is no different than being a Democrat.

Mew222 ago

The goofs were fun, but now I'm older and I'm fully committed to Voat and everything you guys stand for.

Tommstein ago

[Tries to downvote some idiocy.]

"Denied - Cannot downvote more than you upvote (Submission Voting Meanie 2.3.1)".

Interesting definition of "free speech," @PuttItOut. Which is why this announcement was made three days ago and I'm just getting around to seeing it now. I wouldn't miss Voat, since I pretty much stopped using it already. On the other hand, I suppose driving off the people who actually do believe in free speech is one way to address an overuse problem. Probably not coincidentally, a post I made about this almost two years ago is still my second-highest rated submission ever.

9214584? ago

Hey downvoating your idiocy worked fine for me!

Tommstein ago

How long did you struggle to rub your two brain cells together to come up with that zinger?

Thsprtzlsrmkngmthrst ago

Fuck this place, you guys got saved by the T_D fiasco. Voat is a shithole full of fucking racist bigoted neckbeards who hide under the guise of free speech while acting like assholes. You fuckers wanted the T_D folks to go back to reddit? Fucking done. I can't wait to watch this dumpster fire go ass up.

MaxEisenhardt ago

You sound like a baby back bitch. I'm new here I can already tell, I don't like you.

Thsprtzlsrmkngmthrst ago

Stfu, faggot. I'm not here for you to like me pussy.

MaxEisenhardt ago

I know you're not here for me to like you - you're here to be a baby back bitch. I already fucking told you that. You should go join motherjones or post on reddit where you can cry like a bitch and have a full support network of other like minded baby back bitches, you baby back bitch.

AgentBJ09 ago

A Tweet or message to the site heads and personalities would likely get their attention. And don't forget InfoWars. They could get a lot of people to help.

8_billion_eaters ago

incoming funds. good site.

Zaqwert ago

  1. Try to lower operating costs

  2. Put up some sort of monthly progress bar to show donations for the month / expected operating cost, so people will know to donate.

freebird ago

buh-bye shrug

Slayfire122 ago

Don't let the door hit your nigger ass on the way out.

Lt-Aldo-Raine ago

How can I donate without providing my street name, phone number, and email? I understand paypal is controversial, but that's the level of information I'm willing to provide for this type of donation. I am not set up for bitcoin nor do I have a good comfort level with it (old guy here.) There's $50 in it for voat if I can find an alternative. Thank you for any help.

sensitive ago

prepaid credit card

kestrel9 ago

Sent in first donation...more to follow next month.

RedSocks157 ago

Looks like T_D might end up being voats saving grace if lots of them donate!

YeezusKTrump ago

You ok over there?

Trump is raising funds for his campaign in 2020. Get with the fucking program, idiot. While people here complain about money, Trump is filling his coffers. He's doing something right. Or this place is doing something wrong. Probably both.

YeezusKTrump ago

This site has a funding problem because people do not want to be associated with not make-believe racism, but actual people calling people kikes and niggers and meaning it. Just saying.

Sorry Trump triggers you, snowflake. Get used to it.

MotorcycleEmptiness ago

The angel's name is Spez

DrDoctor13 ago

Wow, it's...been a while. Voat seems like a cool place, sad to see it go under.

TexasWelderGuy ago

Looked around and didn't see a "Donate" link. Perhaps I just overlooked it, but if anyone will point me in the right direction I'll contribute.

digguser ago

https://store.voat.co/donations

Bitcoin is front page bottom right

TexasWelderGuy ago

Thx.

ShitboxMcGee ago

In addition to switching to an OSS platform, you should consider having available Voaters (I will be available to help next Feb. I'm booked til then, I hope you can survive) put together some Supermicro based rack servers, and just get a half rack in a local data center. You'll save tons compared with those cloud services.

CertainlyNotEdward ago

I just donated $50 + $15/month for a year.

But seriously, switch your infrastructure to Linux.

YeezusKTrump ago

Right. That's why Trump can raise record funds for an election that is more than 3 years away, meanwhile this place is begging its users for money.

Fuck autism. You're just plain stupid.

9197893? ago

Begging? One post informing us that our site will be closed because @PuttItOut can't afford it and the donations start rolling. Please inform us if/when you might need more donations @PuttItOut . This place took us in when we were lowly refugees from /r/European and the Reddit admins had had enough of us. And unlike actual "refugees" we are grateful enough to help out and pay for ourselves.You @YeezusKTrump can piss off back to Reddit if our mean words scare you. Any investor who isn't in favor of free speech isn't worth having any way

barrel_smasher ago

Donated a fiver. Spread your wings and fly, Voat!

HugoFord ago

Have you considered open sourcing the code? That way a bunch of us could help migrate it from .NET to something platform neutral like Python.

MWcrazyhorse ago

Can someone slap together an app displaying the amount of funds needed regularly? And how about reaching out to advertisers? The owner of Red Bull is very based. And they are yuge on advertising and product placement (formula 1, football etc.). If we could propose to them to become the free speech champions that would be big.

Underdogmilitia ago

I won't give you my credit card number, but the moment you accept a crypto like Bitcoin, I'll gladly donate.

EDIT: Someone pointed out your Bitcoin donation address, will donate tonight.

YeezusKTrump ago

Trump's campaign racked up a single day record for donations. A little over $300K. In a SINGLE DAY.

I would wager all the "Kike" and "Nigger" talk around here is going to scare off investors. I enjoy a racist joke just as much as the next person, but I'm far from racist. Problem here is it's hard to tell if people are joking.

bananfarsan ago

Please add more payment options in the store. Preferable paysafecard or at least paypal. I'm still sitting on the paysafecard I bought to donate last november.

Edit: Yeah, I know about bitcoin but it's too much hassle right now.

Pede ago

@puttitout hit me up. I can help you get funding.

krisaus24 ago

I wanted to add my 2 cents to the situation (former entrepreneur within the education industry but minimal IT experience). I am not too sure about the advertisements and other things such as that but you could certainly generate more traffic (who don't like traffic?) by holding a "VOATSYOURQUESTION" from specific celebrities. Considering the recent immigration from Reddit (I am Kekistani refugee, notice me senpai), you could hold that segment with a conservative? Bags of publicity, and that will trickle down to Reddit?

RZTheGreat ago

Hey Putt,

Can I get an email to contact you on? May have a solution for you.

sensitive ago

Write a DM and cc @cynabuns, that should work

Bigz_Sarducci ago

Hey you put it out (pun intended) and we did our best. I will budget in a donation soon enough. Money in a envelope save away.

biskit65 ago

How to i support Voat or how can i donate?

karcyon ago

Can't you do a Patreon or something like that? That way everyone could give what they can, even if it is just $1 per month. Just so you can pay the expenses.

z-e-m ago

or you know, you can start a fake project on patreon. Have putt/atko draw some doodles or anything, just dont mention voat there, then any voat member can be a patron

putitonmyvisa ago

Hey, I know campaigning for donations might not be your favourite thing but when you're considering closure and there are so many people that believe in a free speech platform who don't know about you yet, you have to at least entertain the idea of convincing a few people over to your side. For instance, if you tweeted at or messaged a cognizant artist who makes music about these values (basically all of them) then you're bound to get a positive response, those guys have obscene amounts of money that they have no idea what to do with. No one likes advertising but please don't accept defeat in the face of a drain on funding when the market you represent is so desperately sought after in pop culture and beyond.

lurkinginnew ago

Is there no way to donate anonymously...?

sensitive ago

plus prepaid credit card

scottydoesntknow ago

you can donate via bitcoing; the address is on the front page

darklycan51 ago

Why'd you close lmao no

greensunset ago

Why don't you set a kickstart account to generate revenue by small donations?

Dr_Levaster ago

I'm mourning the loss of my old place. I'd already been kicked out of the big house and was stuck in the shed on the property out back, but living there was somewhat comforting, nonetheless. I never said much while I lived there, although I found a ton of shit mixed with occasional red pills, and I ate it all. Imagine my surprise when I came home from work and found that the whole fucking thing was surrounded by police tape, inaccessible. The rest of that place is real nasty so I started moving in another direction and found myself here. Howdy all. I'm a transgendered lesbian woman who was born a man. Go put that in the faggotry generator, you fucks.

P.S. I tossed in ten bucks for a start. Never paid a cent a my old place, but I'll pay more rent here if better Kekian chaos ensues.

Not_A_Large_Duck ago

Setting up a bitcoin wallet. Will contribute as well. Need to answer Reddit's demise with something constructive and uncensored.

0011011000111001 ago

Thanks for the update Putt!

ScroteGoatGasTank ago

You've made yourself king of the reddit faggots, take the money and run boy!

McHammered111 ago

I highly recommend doing an Wikipedia/NPR fundraising on a regular basis. Disclose how much money you need, and how close you've gotten to reaching that goal. Maybe do a special event if the goal is exceeded. I'm happy to toss a few bucks every once in a while at a service that I appreciate. It's just a matter of knowing that those few buck are needed is the problem.

TaveuniThunder ago

Donated 25K bits (US$50). Let's geeeaaauuuu!

pandnh4 ago

Is the Voat coinbase page down? Does the site list the official bitcoin address anywhere?

4WhomTheBellsTroll ago

The_Donald MUST be transplanted as a homeba$e to voat lets make it happen NO FEAR MAGA

YoFada ago

The new reddit migrants (aka me) might bring about this angel. While the Donald did have it's drawbacks, according to reddit the ad cost for it was the same for a subreddit with 6,000,000+ subscribers. If that's the case and say, 10% come to voat, then that's an influx of 0.6mil. In that group there may your angel.

The other case is that reddit scammed tD advertisers in which case there should be charges filed.

10% may be a high figure, as Voat wasn't pushed heavily on reddit

Thruway10 ago

FPH female swimsuit calendar. That'll bring the guys to the table.

Archilexp ago

I donated $50 dollars after seeing The_Donald going private . Please do not go anywhere. I need this in my life.

padishar2 ago

You need to make this visible as hell. Have a counter somewhere that shows the current monthly costs per month and how much have been met via donations / merch / ads .. I'm sure that will motivate the fuck out of a number of us to donate what we can.

Also where can I find the bitcoin address? I feel like making an angel donation

Fuck__Reddit ago

New user. Just donated. Deleted my Reddit account. Happy to be here.

FTSIO ago

Oi! I'd like to help out. Any chance of a paypal option during check out?

God-Emperor777 ago

I got $25 on it. Seriously tho, get some more voat gear in the store, I would pay way more than a hoodie or hat is worth...

TheNotSoEvilEngineer ago

Azure and AWS are really non-sustainable business models unless you are doing a lot of e-commerce. There is a reason most enterprises that try "cloud" go back to on-prem in a hurry.

RedEagle ago

Looks like Spez is your angel.

HillarysDischarge ago

Too bad. Though the white trash racists came through only because of their pay day loans, this place will be shuttered come Labor Day.

DJT ago

This. AssBurger reporting in. I fucks with PHP, MySQL, and Linux.

SomewhatNeutral ago

JSP / PHP developer standing by.

Slagiatt ago

So maybe i missed it in this post, but where is a link to donate?

Slagiatt ago

Found it already, probably should have looked a little harder before asking. Thanks.

Cincosiber ago

Don't be shy or humble about reaching out to your community. You built a great platform for the community. We want voat to continue and flourish. We want to invest in the future and of voat. Voat will be in the history books of the future for the right reasons!

greymanbomber ago

Well, to all the folks who said that Reddit was going to die and Voat will prosper:

Ready to bite your tongue? <3

aztek ago

Voat needs more than an angel; it needs an actual business plan. As long as it supports free speech it'll probably never be marketable. Too many companies and advertisers don't want to be associated with groups like /v/niggers and /v/fatpeoplehate

Codewow ago

It shouldn't be too difficult to blacklist subs so ads would never show up on them. That obviously doesn't stop advertisers from never jumping onboard though.

aztek ago

It's the general image those places give voat. Even if you hide them they'll taint the site.

UnJaded ago

I'm new here, but just wanted to add:

Hell yes to that update

knuckifubuck ago

I refuse to help this site in any way until you START ISSUING REGULAR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AGAIN.

There is literally no reason for you to randomly decide to stop being transparent with your finances and I find it insulting that you are here with your hands out begging while you keep all of voat's financial details under wraps.

Eat a dick you won't get a penny from me.

WisDumb ago

I opine that free speech is no longer free anymore. Joe bray-Ali is a good example of this.Many readers are reluctant to contribute to open forums for fear it will bite them in the ass. (leaves tracks back to the contributor).What is needed here is a way to contribute (that isn't complex ) where no tracks are left. We know the libtards will make an example out of anyone they can identify. I'm all about owning your opinion but it isn't pragmatic in the current zeitgeist.. They will win until they are bound by their own restrictions . what goes around comes around.

Codewow ago

So something like bitcoin?

WisDumb ago

regardless of what vehicle is used. We are under siege. It needs to be anonymous in perpetuity. They already talk about voat users like they are a bunch of baby killers.

Bitcoin_Chief ago

start a gofundme

Mad_Dog91 ago

Only if we get the better end of the deal and we don't have to see that mug

JuiceTown ago

Your Bitcoin wallet has $7.7 Million dollars in it

Why do you need donations?

PuttItOut ago

You have no idea how excited I was when I saw this. But unfortunately this number is off by approximately ~$7.69999 million

JuiceTown ago

is your wallet a coinbase wallet or some other type of exchange based wallet where you don't hold the private keys?

E: Also, I'm expecting a Winnebago when I hit 1M SCP.

Rusty___Shackleford ago

But Voat has a triangles in it's logo and I've been told those are for predophiles.

NotMyRegularID ago

How funny would it be if Putt froze comments on this thread when the number reached 1488?

Jin-Roh ago

Create a donation button on this site. Job done ;)

SaveTheChildren ago

WOW THE TIMING ON THIS IS JUST OUT OF CONTROLLLL LOLLLL

diriel ago

Definitely would like a keychain!

galabad71 ago

take a look at proboards.com or myBB.com

these are free forum software packages, and while we/you may lose some bells and whistles, it would allow for continued operation of the VOAT domain. Also, maintaining the site would be a whole lot easier than custom code.

pm-me-your-pm ago

these are free forum software packages

Voat isn't a forum. More than this, though, these free software suites come with very little support and break very, very easily. They also have many known exploits and are not secure enough for a platform like Voat.

while we/you may lose some bells and whistles

Referencing my above point about how Voat is not a forum in the same sense that these software suites are forums, we would not just lose some bells and whistles. We would lose everything that Voat is - everything that differentiates it from a free forum.

it would allow for continued operation of the VOAT domain

The domain (voat.co) costs around $20 / year. All that's needed to continue operating the domain is a simple hosting package ($12/mo) and the registration of the domain.

Also, maintaining the site would be a whole lot easier than custom code.

Not even close. Maintaining free software with virtually no support is an absolute nightmare when it comes to the scale of a project like Voat. Those packages don't have anywhere near the scaleability to handle a scenario like Voat. Further, the massive exploits and gaping security holes would make managing the site and keeping it secure for the user a catastrophe.

Source: I'm a website developer. I'm not saying all this to rip your comment apart, but to help educate people who think that free solutions are the best solutions simply because they save money. As with all things in life, you get what you pay for. In this case, free (or even relatively cheap) isn't going to cut it.

the-rooster ago

I could go $25K or more if I could get some equity in the company.

Jin-Roh ago

...Gofundme would work, I would happily donate. Keep us posted and as Needlestack commented, please do not let this slide, be transparent and ask for help, it will be provided.

Chiefpacman ago

Appreciate your donation and hope you get the badge soon so it will look appropriate when you begin to talk about donating and how other people should be helping

Chiefpacman ago

I didn't say I didn't believe you

Watch this

Look much I donated: https://imgoat.com/uploads/f4922f4556/17329.jpg

See how that works?

Atarian ago

Bit of a noob, but with that kind of throughput surely google adwords or something would provide revenue?

Codewow ago

Many on voat are entirely against any third-party advertising platform as they all have some kind of tracking implemented. Whether it be cookie or an alternative.

Chiefpacman ago

Then just go get a prepaid card

I honestly believe you; its just you can't really go around talking about donations w/out proof right?

It'd be like telling the IRS you donated to charity but you havw nomway of proving it. For all intensive purposes, you did not even donate

Chiefpacman ago

Not for it to count, but for you to be able to speak freely about donations ans such

dottel ago

I would happily contribute to a Patreon.com thingy.

Chiefpacman ago

Duh.

Do you know how many new shills claim to be three year old accounts that gave hundreds of dollars to us?

It's the Internet, people aren't gonna take your word for it.

Chiefpacman ago

Thats a nice sentiment and everything, but go donate.

I just told you that I think putt isn't all that and you go into a page of how we stand by his decisions. I might not like him but I have my little badge, I donate.

You should help us out?

Chiefpacman ago

Agreed

Unfortunately putt came in and dropped a bomb and has checked in on us once or twice.

It's not a popular opinion, but I don't like him very much. The hell do you have such a popular website, and give such little effort

tribblepuncher ago

Certainly.

https://www.techworm.net/2017/05/microsofts-windows-10-block-downloads-kodi-pirate-bay-kickasstorrents-others.html

They're planning on blacklisting sites that they disapprove of due to piracy. I'm not sure if this is just in IE and Edge, or if it goes down into blocking lower in the TCP/IP stack (I'd imagine it might involve IP blocking at least, with evasion dealt with through forced updates). Extend this to whatever else displeases Microsoft, whether it be piracy, business, political, or carry opinions that Microsoft shouldn't be doing this. Once the code is in place, it's not difficult to add different addresses to it as well.

You can call it any number of things. I call it censorship, and that's a nice way of putting it. More realistically, it's not only censorship, but it's also gross abuse of a monopolistic position. In fact, that's what a lot of this Windows 10 push is about - so they can have an OS that they can control remotely, that spies on you, and when someone complains, their response will be, "OK, so you hate it, what are you gonna do about it?" And while many will embrace Linux, for most people who might not be so fortunate (e.g. owning hardware that isn't locked out), the answer is going to be, "nothing, sir, sorry for wasting your time." My guess is that Android and Apple will eventually follow suit, if current trends remain unstopped.

While at least Chrome already does this to some extent - that is to say, blocks attempts to access addresses with known malware - it also allows you to override the browser's judgment, and it presumably does not try to use it against you at some point, whereas who knows what Microsoft might do if (or rather, when) it phones home? Although from the way it's handled, that's all a hypothetical on Microsoft's part, since I seriously doubt they'll let you override it in the first place.

It's also arguably a pretty slippery slope legally, since if they're censoring some of it, they may be accepting legal blame to interfere with anything that they think is even remotely possibly connected to illegal activity, which would only mean far greater snooping and intervention, along with even more censorship.

So yeah. I expected this, but I'd have figured they would've waited a few years.

reddit-is-retarded ago

What's the database - postgres or sql server or something else?

Lomax ago

My suggestion- Set up a donation link (prominently displayed) at the top of the page with a bar showing how much is needed this month, how much raised so far etc etc. Put links for credit card, bitcoin, paypal. Make the process EASY to donate. Voaters like me are more than happy to contribute to keep this place running and growing.

guinness2 ago

PuttItOut, please add a donation option for reoccurring monthly payments that continue until we cancel them, rather than cease after a year. That way you'll avoid the heartache and loss of income when donations expire and people are too lazy or too busy to purchase them again.

Missouri_Dad ago

Honestly I would have supported you to the bitter end if VOAT didn't start censoring us just like reddit did. But since VOAT decided it would rather stand inline and censor it's users it lost it's purpose. We can go to reddit and be censored, so there is no need for VOAT to exist. This kills me to say because I love VOAT but it is the dark truth we all know in the backs of our minds but won't speak.

ISharedThis ago

Donated :)

generate ago

WTF are you doing on Azure? You should rent or lease a dedicated server on OVH or hetzner, you will be paying much less

Atko ago

We used to do that. We leased dedicated servers from hosteurope and they shut our servers down with no warning. Freedom of speech is not welcome everywhere, especially not in Germany (hetzner is a German provider as far as I know). Voat wikipedia page has more on this.

Voat should go on-prem and do it in the US, not Europe. Voat Linux port would not save much (only licensing fees which are irrelevant when compared to the hardware costs), but going on-prem opens a whole new can of worms and requires full time staff on location. To avoid shutdowns, Voat essentially needs its own datacenter (like stackoverflow) or a freedom of speech friendly datacenter which I do not think exists outside of Azure or Amazon(?). Important thing to keep in mind is that Voat is constantly under DDoS. Hetzner and OVH used to simply unplug servers which were under attack. I don't know their "mitigation strategy" today but they both have a dark history in my book. All in all, Voat is not easy and attractive to host. Voat needs an angel, or a boatload of small angels.

turn-down-for-what ago

Aside from physical hardware failure, why would you need constant on-prem staff? IPMI should give you all the control you need over software/os failures.

Most DCs have a NOC that can swap out bad drives, etc. for you. And most will let you keep a small stock of spare components at the DC for emergencies.

Synxsynxsynx ago

Or me. Pay the electric bill. Buy the hard drives you need for storage when they die. I have a gigabit municipal connection. I am allowed to host whatever. I have netapp ds2246 for cache and 4 ds4243's for storage and two FAS3250 filers.

It's my equipment. I own the rack, the connection, its uplink, the UPS. From end to end the entire thing is personally owned and I have the knowledge to maintain it. Tap me when you need me.

Magaman ago

Have you looked into how 4chan stays funded? I would think you are in the same boat

jackdh ago

I believe it is a combination of self hosting and only temporary storage which keeps the costs of 4chan way down.

catslovejustice ago

Good question!

fairytisya ago

Dont know what to say, that was such a lovely message but also not so good for you and your life. Sometimes you have to stop and give up what you dont what too, only to have something much better and if that is your family I understand. Family come first. I am new to Voat and this is the only site I have found that will not over run a thread and remove their guests from truth or what some see as truth. I talk and come out with many ideas and thoughts and I do so not for me but I know you dont have to remember every word in a book you read, or a sentence, sometimes it is just one word and that alone is enough. Voat will remain online for many years as the good remains and so does the truth. I believe there are a few on this site that will be happy to take over and continue your work,, just screen them all as there will be a few that will destroy it if they take over. No names there . for you you gave up so much and lost to much. I understand that so you need to take back your life and I am with you on that. you cant run a web site if the love in your heart is no longer there. too many good poeple on this site that alone and their good thoughts will keep voat alive. take time out for youself and your family. most people who come to a site like this have lost family and friends, why the 6 o clock news and the tv soap that runs after it makes them stay as if it is desert. my insites tell me there is 1 one this site that will do you good if you were to hand it over. but you yourself comes first. Voat will stay online ... heads up. go do what you have to and come back and make your comments. sorry I do go over the top.

richo262 ago

Just don't take any money from Soros. :(

Hope a cashed up patriot comes by soon.

BeauDacious ago

Have we looked into alternatives? AWS, Rackspace, or other cloud providers. It doesn't feel good to think that this site is hosted on Azure and providing money to MS. Possibly one of the others would be cheaper.

As a cloud engineer, I understand the effort of moving to a new provider, but still MS.... There are other options than the greediest corporation in the world excepting Oracle.

What are our current bandwidth requirements?

rekabis ago

What is the average and peak throughput that Voat experiences on an average day, in Kbps?

zevulonthegreat ago

Honestly? For the best. You guys clearly have talent, and this website has unfortunately become a cesspool for assholes and the ignorant. Let this go and focus your talents elsewhere.

guinness2 ago

pyres ago

Voat needs an accountant

Voat needs a choir, one angel ain't gonna cut it.

Voat needs to find a better hosting service, and to cut a better deal with cloudflare.

Voat needs to ditch Microsoft.

Voat needs to start monetizing on it's page views.

Voat needs to start reporting where the money comes from and where it goes. Transparency.

SquaredLight ago

From 10 votes we now have 300-500 votes per post, that was quite a journey, i always hope this site will be the site for actual right wings discussion, please don't let all those effort goes in vain.

Voat donation is not good enough of a system.

1, User base needs to improve, not just reddit stranded users, we needs more from target audience, by putting ads at the right place, we can improve the contents, pulling even more people to the sites, also increasing ads revenue. Doing ama for people will never go to reddit is also a thing, just 1 tweet is tons of exposure.

2, System needs to be self sufficient. We don't know anything about this information until now, the reddit gold bar is there for a reason(you can share some of the payment information if you want). Users also don't have any incentive to donate without closure reason. Need to think of somethink i guess(4chan pass)

Until that point, things like this will keeps happening, it also prevents voat future improvement.

pagesix1536 ago

Azure? really? sigh

voatblowsmonkeydick ago

I kind of wish you assholes don't close down simply because it'll cause an influx of assholes back into Reddit.

But on the other hand. Die, bitches.

Seriously you can all go fuck yourselves. You're horrible people and every single one of you deserves to have your testicles hammered in. BYE.

guinness2 ago

@PuttItOut, all you need to do is display a tiny heart next to the goats who donated... and people will donate!

Like this!

Perhaps make the decoration duration based on the donation amount or for 12 months if it's a reoccurring monthly donation.

It needs to be highly visible because people are have egos: they want everyone to know they donated and are therefore a better class of person.

People will also ask "what is that heart thingy and how can I get one?".

Profile overview badges are good, but they are almost always hidden.


Edit: Allow goats and purchase this as a gift for other goats (i.e. Reddit Gold).

Moonbat ago

Dunno what to say. I year ago I'd have contributed. But as a site you have to be more than just a "platform of free speech". You need to have an actual community worth supporting. And what were you? Donald Central. And anybody else was a "cuck". I'm a cuck, according to this site. Why would I give money to that? I mean, let the Donald users puts their money where their very loud mouths are. I have no pity.

caac ago

I am interested in buying Voat.co outright. Given that Statshow.com/voat.co shows 163,000 daily visitors, what price would you ask? Thanks

Jew_Hunter ago

Depends, are you jewish?

neogag ago

We don't know that it's bandwidth. This is not a media server, it's pure text site which compresses extremely well with gzip. That $6000 figure is suspicious and no offense to Putt, but we are not getting the full truth. He spoke about licenses being the main cost. I don't care to press him on it, but let's not forget this.

BURNFAT ago

Free market at work!

duchessofdarkness ago

I think you could just make people pay for it times like this when there's a bunch of new accounts all the time, then just shut down the option to sign up once in a while like documentingreality.com does, it wouldn't be visible to nonmembers during that time which would be great because you could have fewer people complaining about constantly. People would pay for it maybe not everyone can, but they can still see the headlines.

novictim ago

@PuttItOut, How we doin' on the cash? I can give again if needed. And then again again.

BananaBoater ago

What does the site cost per day to run?

jhenry922 ago

sad you couldnt see this coming but its been going on for a while

People try adding thoughtful content but get downvoted for asking real questions just adds to the futility of it all.

9158011? ago

I feel bad for being inactive for so many months, I hope Voat recovers from it's financial woes. :(

I don't know how online donation works (I personally don't trust websites like PayPal for security reasons) but the best I could do is share this announcement post on other social media websites hoping that more people visit Voat.

TrueMaverick ago

The donations are executed here: https://store.voat.co/donations

9158236? ago

I'm not sure when I'll donate but thanks for the link & do I need to make a 2nd account just for the donations?

nigger_lives_matter ago

How much money do you need? I might be able to kick in some cash.

Codewow ago

Well considering it's nearly 7k a month... 7k a month would do.

ShamusHorus ago

Can you create a Gofundme campaign, I'm sure that a truly free speech platform would gather much attention.

I know for a fact that A Lot of Youtuber are looking for news homes, where free speech can live.

They are also disgruntled reddit user like you, if you create the campaign, I'm sure that those who can't pitch in, like me, can do a lot of noise.

NeedPolyGF ago

Why can't Voat use Patreon or something like Youtube channels do? Styxhexenhammer has done well there and he says it's pretty simple. Someone on Voat ought to be able to upload Youtube videos about Voat and use Patreon etc for funding.

SecularPenguinist ago

Could you do a subscription model where for say a few bucks a month you get some extra functionality?

NinjaPoolboy ago

$1 a month memberships? donations = fucking patches? ads, Ads, ADS!?

LORD_SPARTACUS_1488 ago

4chan doesn't take as much shekels as voat because the chans are ethereal platforms and store far less data in terms of user account into. They also delete all the old crap that's more than a few months old, so they don't have old cruft sitting around. That said, their bandwidth costs are probably pretty high.

LORD_SPARTACUS_1488 ago

This is why you don't use Microsoft.

I was warning you about this shit almost a year ago, and you retards didn't listen. I knew this would happen, and it's not hindsight.

Sanegoat warned you. You didn't listen either.

A fitting death for a proprietary software supporter :-)

nice_tie ago

Asspie 3, reporting in. Put this shit in PHP / Python / [insert non-MS open source language here], and I'm in. Also, Azure seems super expensive. AWS seems to be much cheaper, though I haven't done a full analysis on a large production infrastructure.

Dockerize everything to simplify ops, and use free 'nix tools for development. Operational and development costs will be cut by at least half. @PuttItOut: If you're interested, I'm glad to hop on it and help out wherever I can.

brethern123 ago

D::::: Hey bro im new round here looks like the gym is this way

californication ago

@puttitout this is colossally frustrating. I'm on mobile and trying to PM/DM/VM you and I'm at the point where I want to throw my phone up against a wall.

Squints145 ago

I'm an asspie who would dedicate help!

ScienceHoffman ago

In addition to porting over to Linux and the other ideas mentioned here, something minor to do that might help is to put a donation meter on the donate page. It really does help.

1---___ ago

good, hope this place burns

irwincur ago

Get off of Azure. Seriously the major cloud services are designed for massive and quick scaling, and they charge a premium. This place if it scales somewhat in a controlled manner would be find with Colo, good code, software redundancy, and some used hardware.

to11mtm ago

Not sure if you are aware of this, but there are some who have offered advice on the scalability issues (which factor immensely in the cost of running voat.)

http://www.aaronstannard.com/voat-scalability/

According to this blog post, he said he was willing to offer at the very least, advice. Speaking from professional experience, design issues can drive cloud costs through the roof.

nomenimion ago

Donation made. Time for everybody who loves free speech to step up.

youagreetoourTerms_ ago

Getting off Azure really should be number 1 priority for longterm survivability.

dancemonkey ago

We need a running total of how much we need to donate per month to keep this place going (like the Shiny metal total from that other place). Obviously add in whatever you need to put by for reserves as well. How about various voaters raffle off or auction items like digital artwork, writing a piece of music, Skype chats or whatever.

herewardwakes ago

I'm sorry but you guys seem to lack basic business skills and the ability to take decisive actions. Seriously, waiting for venture capital to materialise is ridiculous. Let me spell it out for you; YOU'RE NOT GETTING VENTURE CAPITAL FUNDING. You need to look at innovative methods for revenue generation beyond begging for money every time you're about to go bankrupt.

Why not look at some sort of community ownership and funding? You could set up a system in which users could own a percentage of voat and have to pay it's running costs in proportion to their ownership. So for example if a user owned 1/6000th of Voat, they'd have to pay $1 a month. Users that wanted a bigger share could buy more, so if they owned 1/1000th of Voat, they'd have to contribute $6 a month.

Shareholders would get to appoint a board, and each shareholder would get one vote per share they owned, so if they put in more money they'd get a larger say in the people who ran Voat.

You could keep say 10% of the company in regular shares for yourself. The only real argument against this idea is not wanting to give up your 100% ownership of Voat, but as you admit in this post, you will essentially soon own 100% of nothing, so why not try something different?

TheDrunkenMagi ago

I just came here from Reddit, over the whole The_Donald thing. Going to wait a day before donating anything, just to make sure I'm not hyping this out of proportion. I like the site and the idea behind it though.

Political Correction is cancer. Lethal injections are too good for SJWs.

Rotteuxx ago

Welcome home nigger faggot !

You'll soon learn to enjoy the "block subverse" button which allows you to curate your /v/all page. Clean up the clutter easily.

DrJava ago

Where do we donate?

DrJava ago

thank you!

keyzersoze ago

I will be donating this weekend. I like this platform, and I think the voting mechanism is much smarter than reddit. I didn't give voat a chance before, but I will now.

Ekiph ago

Why is there no merch in the merch store?

Rotteuxx ago

Working on it !

Bill_Murrays_Sandals ago

I think we might've found our angels with the pedefugees

revfelix ago

I'm pretty skint as far as donations go, but I can offer my labor and I learn on the fly. What can I do?

9153846? ago

One of reddit's larger communities (r/The_Donald) is in progress of starting up over here (v/ThePedes). We already have pleas going out to help keep this site running.

1smartass ago

This is exactly why voat is failing, it became a hangout for extremists, which turned off rational people.

RowdyBusch ago

I funded Voat before and felt good about it, but then Voat turned away from free speech by banning /v/jailbait and other "controversial" subs.

Re-enable free speech and I will support you financially on a regular basis.

Rotteuxx ago

Pedophilia subs have fuck all to do with free speech.

RowdyBusch ago

Coming from someone who clearly has no idea on the definition of pedophilia. I suggest you look it up.

Donbuster ago

@puttitout A discussion has been running for a good while on slack with ideas being tossed around as to how the community can help you reduce costs by migrating off of azure onto cheaper hosts, possibly whilst rebuilding part of the stack. Hopefully you will grace us with your insight, seeing as you have far more accurate information on the sites needs than we do.

See what we're working on https://voatrewrite.slack.com/shared_invite/MTg0Mjg2MzQzNTg0LTE0OTUwNzc4NjMtZDcwZmNiODU5Yg

Listor ago

The_Donald has arrived prepare for monies, we do that well.

Rotteuxx ago

Fine, kill the joke m8 ! :p

Donator ago

I just donated $10,000 in Bitcoin. I hope it helps. Please prioritize a mechanism for donation transparency if you want more in the future.

9224746? ago

Thank you if it was you who donated. I agree that donations should be tracked (anonymously) and displayed for everyone to see.

MetalAegis ago

That is quite the charitable donation!

Rotteuxx ago

Rotteuxx ago

Not just offering... I started pricing on a few trinkets and (hopefully) by this weekend I can e-mail Putt some numbers & options.

I have goats offering their time to help with CAD desings & others with manufacturing of different products.

It's not a save-all solution, but it could be a viable merchandising avenue as well as a marketing strategy for Voat.

@Ina_Pickle, @Trigglypuff, @Empress, @Le_Squish & @I-am-me all offered to work on publishing a "Women of Voat" swimsuit calendar !

Chiefpacman ago

@Ina_Pickle, @Trigglypuff, @Empress, @Le_Squish & @I-am-me all offered to work on publishing a "Women of Voat" swimsuit calendar !

I would pay to not see that created.

Le_Squish ago

I'm gonna work on some art assets that putt can sell but no swimsuits...

Rotteuxx ago

Great idea !

Ina_Pickle ago

lol

ReactTM ago

Why don't you guys make a funding page with a progress bar for the amount of money you need every month? Leave a link to it in the footer and a little mini bar. That way we know how the site is doing and can donate when you need funds.

flofinator ago

Thanks!

Alois_sticklgruber ago

Its sad to see it like this. Liberal fag bullshit sites get millions in funding, and free speech loses. I bought a shirt the first time and ill gladly fork over some cash for this place.

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

there is no room on Patreon for hate speech

Am unfamiliar with that site. Do they mean "on Patreon" specifically? Like in comments or whatever? Or do they mean on any site or part of any organization raising funds on Patreon? The first would be no problem, but the second makes them sound like another jewish front organization.

DownloadedYourCar ago

Yah, that sounds like "ON" Patreon. You can't go to their forums and call them all lame slackers and ragamuffins. Simply allowing Voat to have a Patreon account in no way violates their safe space.

But there may be another rule that bars Voat somehow. Worth looking into.

squiremarcus ago

Ipo. Just fking ipo this site to the fucking userbase.

.01% ownership for $1000

Sell off 10% keep 90% for yourself and pocket a million dollars.

squiremarcus ago

your userbase could literally be your angel investor that you know doesnt have any special interests

fking do something about it

flofinator ago

First post ever on Voat, just came here from the_donald.

I would love to either

a.Help you code whatever you need help with, I do .NET for a living now, which it sounds like you are using. b.Donate but I have no idea how to do that.

We need a free speech platform more than ever!

TRUMPISARETARD ago

BUT I WAS TOLD THAT BECAUSE THIS SITE ALLOWS ME TO SAY SHIT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WITHOUT BEING BANNED IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN REDDIT

DOES THIS MEAN I NEED ANOTHER SAFE SPACE????

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

mexicaniii ago

/r/the_donald is here. We will save you.

sympathy ago

This sub was created less than a day ago ,and it's flooded by redditors from r/the_donald https://voat.co/v/ThePedes PuttItOut might need even more donations than expected

Goater ago

If the few hundred users in this thread alone donated $10 a month you'd be covered...

Why would you not come to the community sooner?

TopResidue ago

Do something like Wikipedia does, when they need money they just put drop down banner with progress of donations and link on top of all pages.

Goater ago

The fact that I've been begging you to implement BTC payment for adverts for months now................

Donated around $400 worth of BTC in total now because I have no idea of financial needs of Voat and

Offered you $500 in BTC if you could simply prove via server logs a couple of things ( a 5 minute job tops ) so I could be sure I wasn't speaking to alts.

Done the same thing multiple times.....

For fucks sake @PuttItOut I could have paid this month for 1/5 of your hosting alone, had you simply promised to implement BTC advert payment within a timeframe and that 2 users were not logging in from the same IP.

Tydude ago

Patreon Tiers

Goat, Citizen of Voat $1/mo

A single goat makes a cute pic on /v/goats

All ye goats united make a DEADLY GOAT ARMY. (and keep voat alive!)

Access to patreon exclusve posts.

Atko's Finest $10/mo

Channel your inner kid and make loud human-sounding scream noises as you lead our armies into battle.

Access to a Patron-only discord for $10+ pledgers to discuss the future of voat and generally waste time.

+Previous Rewards

Super Goat $100/mo

You're the hero that voat deserves, the hero that we all need. Wear it loud and proud!

Voat SUPER PATRON Blue Badge to wear with honor on all of your posts/comments to the site (if enabled)

+Previous Rewards

Supreme Lord Almighty Angel Goat $1k/mo

I'M A BIG KID NOW. GET ON MY LEVEL HUGGIES

Eternal Gratitude

Voat ANGEL Gold Badge to wear with honor on all of your posts/comments to the site (if enabled)

Personal contact with Putt for discussing the future and/or direction of the site or general chat, maybe even some gaming (within reason)

+Previous Rewards

RamblinRambo ago

The problem is the lack of anonymous payment methods. The problem is that there's a million fucking lefitst and other filth that won't stop at anything to get our names etc. It's a risk not worth taking. It's what has stopped me from donating. If there's no electronic way of doing it, give us an address and we can send donations in cash.

Altbottom_Leaf ago

There's bitcoin

Omag ago

Oh well

uisge ago

Agreed, no one I know has heard of voat but many have heard of reddit, ....but perhaps driving traffic puts up the bill/costs more? Catch 22?

powerpete ago

At some point, you should consider charging the end users for "Premium" subverses. Not to say that the whole thing should become charged but a number of subverses should be premium. Charging something like $2.00-$5.00 a month for the volume of content is worth the price. For the extra bucks, you could also allow people to have the title option so that their name appears like powerpete - kekistani minister of tacos.

The "walled garden" trait of Voat is why many of us came here. By charging a few bucks, it'll keep out the riff-raff, strengthen the end users (feel like they are a part of a community), and hopefully encourage participation (once someone is invested, they want to see the project succeed).

RedSocks157 ago

Oh no! I've been away from the site for awhile, it really bums me out to see it in such dire straits...if I had any cash to spare, it would be yours :(

uisge ago

I didn't mean to sound cynical so apologies.

All I was suggesting was that an investor or crowd funding was needed. I've worked for a charity in need of funds and although we loved/enjoyed/encouraged our supporters fund raising it, in the end, helped a bit but not enough. As putitout said...we need an angel

uisge ago

I'm guessing he needs about $50K minimum a month to employ people...key chains aren't going to do it

Chiefpacman ago

$6000 a month is already over paying.

Zardoz ago

Would it be crazy to run a massive fundraiser on R/The_Donald ? well it would be hilarious and could it work?

It does sound like we need a based patriot, a grand angel investor.

Tydude ago

To be fair, $6k a month is really nothing if you consider the size of the userbase of voat plus how important that we all know it is. We don't need millions in seed capital, I'm willing to bet that a well advertised patreon would easily cover all costs associated with running the site and then some. Most people don't donate because it's so opaque at the moment.

Patreon is the wave of the future RE: projects like this and has kept many a youtuber going despite the adpocalypse trying to shut them down.

Dick_Tits ago

There are 6,000,000 subscribers on the_donald. If ever subrscriber donated 1/10th of a cent we'd meet voats goals.

Zardoz ago

Oh, yes I suppose Patreon would be a good one. I have heard more Youtubers are going that way.

I suppose the vote guys don't want to ask for money (they seem apologetic about it) but really - they are fully in the right and welcome to have a big open pledge drive, put a big fat 'PayPal Donate' banner and ask if everyone can post some 'Patreon' types of links.

And some kind of 'Angel Investor' would be awesome too. I'm told Gab.ai might have had a special blond millionaire author lady 'angel invest' to help get them started and stable. Sure that would be good stuff! Hey, who knows, maybe Don and Eric know some philanthropists who want to drop by and put in a few bucks!

BustyChicksFTW ago

If you add a universal flair on my username in exchange for 5$/month donation subscription, I'm down.

GamerGateFan ago

Donation Goal Meter in the header.

Wikipedia can ask for donations in their header, you can do it less intrusive.

Fansub sites have been doing it forever.

The donation meter will let us know where you stand and what we need to do.
Make it for month, link it to a page that shows stats and goals for the past and current year.
Add lots of payment methods.

Work with the shopping and book communities and get some referrals going to amazon and such.

And like Spaceballs says:

Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.

I see lots of offers here, keychains and such.
You might of had issues in the past, but try these vendors who are offering in this thread and keep trying merchandising until it works. Maybe make it a reward for donations, but list how much each purchase puts you towards the monthly goal.

Tydude ago

P A T R E O N

Seriously! Please start one already and make it easily visible. I think you'll find that you can take care of at least a large chunk of those expenses if you make it easy to pledge with patreon.

No worries about a large investor controlling you that way either.

johnnight ago

And begging for donations was always something we hated doing.

You need to have a VIP membership like 4chan. And the site needs to be somehow throttled for non-paying users. (ads, captcha, etc.)

OverAnalyzes ago

I'd buy some voat shares, if you went public. There are going to be plenty of exodus waves for the coming years, people fleeing the well controlled mass-produced consent factories. Voat will see it's users spike every so often.

Freemasonsrus ago

I will speak to a potential partner for you guys.

williamle8300 ago

Have you considered cloning the "gold" feature from Reddit?

TAThatBoomerang ago

Sell the site. Shut it down you get nothing. It has value now.

I know it's easy for me to say since I won't be giving up money, but I'd rather see it shut down than being turned to Reddit 2.0

valME_io ago

@PuttItOut: Tried to send you a message but my CCP is too low. So here it is:

Almost 2 years ago, I wrote An open letter to Steve Huffman, reddit's new CEO, with an offer to exchange values. Perhaps I should have written it to you?

Feel free to reach out if you'd like to discuss.

42ent0 ago

$6,600.90 oh fuck, dude you need to think about some other hosting.. dude show us statistics about traffic, how much cpu/ram power it needs and we can figure something up(with DDOS protection of course, we know about the start of voat it was ddosed 24/7)

novictim ago

Dear Angel loving racists. Let us get some VOAT coffee mugs stocked in the merchandise section, please. I keep breaking coffee mugs and TV monitors when I turn on the TV.

I cannot live without my coffee mugs.

novictim ago

An angel? Oh you racist!

TrueMask ago

Can we set up a go fund me?

PhillyNekim ago

FOLKS! TURN OFF ADBLOCK FOR THIS SITE! CLICK THE AD'S YOU ARE INTERESTED IN!

Cum_control ago

Voats being destroyed its not failing. Suck a fat one @puttitout @atko yall dont tell us shit and i highly doubt you cant scrape up 6 grand a month especially when this is the first weve heard in a while. You let us all down but its ok its not the first time

breakingpoint ago

What happens if I donate a grand

odayerryday327 ago

I don't have enough time now at work to read through the whole thread, all I can see is ways of donating that wont work. How can I donate? Paypal, venmo, loadable credit cards? I love this site as people will actually discuss things openly and not just upvoat shit they agree with but stuff that is actually well thought out and backed up.

sensitive ago

prepaid credit cards should work fine. no paypal.

millibit ago

post this in r/bitcoin

sensitive ago

Why?

millibit ago

there's a shit-ton of very wealthly bitcoiners that are absolute free speech hawks.

9149340? ago

If Voat could just attract 10% of them, and if each one was donating $1 on average, that would already be a good headstart.

HornyTits ago

PhilIvey ago

In addition to all of the great replies in this thread, why not make a GoFundMe too?

wifblat ago

Patreon, please.

mHtt ago

this place is 100% corrupted with Kremlin bots.

there i said it, PS Fuck you you weren't here to see voat in it's glory days.

sweetholymosiah ago

Bullshit go back to digg, shill

tragicwhale ago

Seriously, just make this a pay to play, which would be awesome since even the shills would have to pay to contribute, win win.

sweetholymosiah ago

This is the answer. Whether it's a new site or this one, distributed payment systems are the future. However, we would need more transparency to make it work.

jewsbadnews ago

$5 a month from just 1,400 people will keep the site paid for. Thats just 1/3rd the price of a monthly world of warcraft subscription.

GoogleHatesVoat ago

This is how jews own the media/entertainment. You can't go to a bank with an idea for a sitcom and get funding. jews self fund, it's part of their religion and how they buy homes and cars with cash or a check, in full at a huge discount for doing so. Voat has the problem of being anti-semitic for the mere fact of allowing free speech. Money transactions other than handing someone cash means a paper trail in these days of The War on Terror. So becoming a Voat angel means doxxing yourself.

In these days of political correctness as OP has found out the hard way, means remaining in the Free Speech closet. Otherwise jews, sjws, antifa, sauds will brand you forever as literally hitler.

Source : Homes in Boca Raton. Know thine enemy...

Subtenko ago

Ive offered to help before. Neither putitout nor atko responded. Who have they contacted for help before? Has anyone been contacted from this thread yet?

cthulian_axioms ago

Seconded. That sounds fucking dope.

kogar ago

Gave you guys .26BC about 2 months ago. That's $480 right now.

Not even a "Thank you" note.

That being said, I'm not bitter - I donated because I like what you're doing, not because I expected a thank you note ;) I think you guys have a great concept and counterpoint to Reddit. I hope you stay open and vibrant.

(Note: I'm pretty sure I donated it correctly to Voat -- I'm a bitcoin noob and it's entirely possible I donated it to something far worse, like Amy Schumer's production budget for her next abysmally shitty movie...)

FeLpZ187 ago

I’ve sacrificed the best years of my life for Voat,

even if voat ends now it wasn't in vain.

Tor1 ago

You let us know as soon as you got the bill.

$220 per day is a big nut to cover.

I'm With Puttler http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/12/hillary%20logo.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg

smittieaj ago

I just donated 25 bucks. Let's see some goats match me!

daskapitalist ago

Can we get a donation tracker to show how close Voat is to reaching funding goals every month? That way folks have a feeling that their donations are helping.

edblings ago

why the FUCK does voat follow every other of reddit's footsteps, and not follow in the steps of REDDIT GOLD? IMPLEMENT VOAT GOALD, AND WATCH YOUR FUNDING NEEDS DISAPPEAR

MadMonkey ago

A lot of respect.

madmaddiemim ago

Logging in to upvote this and comment that it was the first idea I had when reading this too.

He supported Rush Limbaugh when everyone was trying to shut him down by getting his funding pulled.

I admit I don't post here as often as I should, but I've always depended on it for reading about things that were being fully censored by reddit.

Can't hurt to try calling in to his show and letting him know whats up

Codewow ago

I always said to add a guilding system like Reddit, but it never happened.

nasalite ago

Or if you really want outrage, reach out to Putin

mightnotbearobot ago

I like your tears :)

guinness2 ago

I donated $50.

lLoveReddit ago

ahahahahaha this is what u get

VOAT staff are a bunch of clowns, glad they aren't getting any money.

hopefully this place dies soon, then we can all go back to reddit where we belong

:)

LORD_SPARTACUS_1488 ago

The best comments are always at the bottom with Voat.

Funny to see such an obvious trolling attempt get atenshuns.

Artofchoke ago

Mkay. Well I'm hated, and I manage. Furthermore, so are you. And you manage. Ain't gonna hear any boohoo- bivouac, little nigga

Artofchoke ago

LOL. Antinatalism? Total animal liberation? Eugenics? On demand subsidized abortion? Abolition of marriage?

None of that ringing any bells? :D

mightnotbearobot ago

Haha, brilliant! Turns out freedom of speech isn't free, hehe.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

You really need to step away from the false problem of funding via dontations.

The Value for Value model is genuinely one of the most effective financial models available to ventures who are otherwise deemed too unsavory for normie advertising
The Human Resources page for No Agenda has a breakdown of the system that has worked for almost a decade.

Getting away from the costly architecture is a major step and will take more time than many can appreciate, creating a runway and a series of milestones to achieve that will need careful consideration.

Grimerica podcast is also using this model, along with DH Unplugged.

While these are podcasts and a different product (episodic) they also have a smaller audience and reach than Voat and I believe that can in turn be very profitable if enough voat users become voat producers.

Seriously consider empowering your most motivated advocates, the users, and succeed or fail have the courage to at least try one last grand experiment.

Most importantly of all, believe that you are doing important work and that we all support you as much as we can in the myriad variety of ways that we can.

kingE ago

put up a patreon!

d3r ago

Switch your .NET BS to Mono and dump the M$ cloud for Amazon and Linux.

Zanbato ago

I would consider donating, but think about this. I have been on the site almost 4 months, at least everyday doing something here. talking or view adnroid/tech/computer/food stuff. I still can't upvote more than 10 posts a day, I can't downvote at all. Why? Because I don't circle jerk around pizzagate sub talking about how Podesta is #1 pedofile,

This site is basically just a glorified the_donald subreddit into a full site. If you have different opinions, you can't participate fully. So, no I won't donate

TAThatBoomerang ago

From experience, I can tell you that you don't have to circlejerk to get massive submission and comment contribution points.

Artofchoke ago

Lol. Aside from the pedos, I have the most unpopular opinions here. You certainly can participate fully, if you are willing to put forth ANY fucking effort. You're lazy, and entitled. The vast majority of us blocked Pizzagate the day they arrived. It's too hostile here for you, and that's fine. But don't blame the site when the issue is you.

Zanbato ago

the site caters to only people who have the very similar mindset (the_donald/antiSJW/White Rights/RedPill/etc) So basically, if you aren't one of these people, you will never have a full account unless you post porn or something. I still find the site useful for some content, its just a glorified echo-chamber, since user with different opinions won't be able to influence content. With Reddit at least I can vote on a lot of the crap that I see. (ironic site name also btw)

Artofchoke ago

I ain't into any of that shit. Until people who aren't so... rabid, for lack of a better word, until normal people grow spines and come here and challenge that, the population is going to stay the same. Bring OC, bring interesting shit. Tolerate being disliked, sally fucking forth.

Zanbato ago

Just looked at your post history and lol.

I don't mind being disliked, but I don't have the ability to vote on content because I don't "fit the mold" here.

Artofchoke ago

Do an introduction post. Post some innocuous shit to funny, or aww. It's very quick.

Then you can rain your reeking pessimism down on everyone, and they'll be helpless to stop you! (Comic villain laugh goes here) ♡

lezzmeister ago

Not really, $6,600.90 USD is quite an amount and you should assume about 10% of all visitors ever pays attention to any donation button and maybe 1% of all visitors pay up, and not huge amounts. Merchandise also is not a huge cashcow as there is usually quite a overhead and you cant ask top dollar or it will not be bought.

Violentlight ago

Why do you keep asking for money, but you never show where it is spent? You go missing for weeks/months at a time. We never hear from you. I don't see how I'm expected to put money into something like that. We just get these desperate messages a couple times a year. Then we never see what happens with the money. There is no transparency. I cannot put my money into something like that. No idea where its going. How its being used.

Start being open with finances. Then I would be willing to put some money in. But I'm not throwing my money into the void.

ArtonBej ago

@PuttItOut Give us an option to upgrade to premium accounts... i think it's better option for you and for us.

the_magic_man ago

For the people who don't use bitcoin, how do we donate?

TAThatBoomerang ago

https://store.voat.co/donations

EDIT: Although kind of the whole point of this thread is that donations aren't nearly enough.

T2VQw2 ago

Here is list of reddit clones if we ever wanted to migrate or something. This subreddit also has some more: /r/RedditAlternatives/

deaditgate ago

What would be the cost to host it locally? You can get something like a 64 core server for one or two grand these days.

9145308? ago

@Puttitou

What about somekind of "allopass" system on the site ?

An international number any1 can call or send sms to, from around the world, and you get paid each time a call is made or an sms is sent to it, like an over priced communication

Everybody has a phone, it's less constraining than CB or bitcoin, you just have to call or send sms, and it goes in an already locked budget (the monthly phone bill budget)

That with a gauge indicating where the funding is at so nobody forget,

like "gauge $: =====-------" "call now 0995678904678"

http://www.optelo.com/fo/micropayment/presentation

foreverlight ago

We need to get some more t-shirts in the voat store I'm sure some nigger faggets around will buy some. I know there's companies that don't charge you anything untill you sell the shirts.

Alpha_Machine ago

The thing is though, Patreon does not really give a fuck as long as they get money. There are people on there who create nothing and have publicly stated they never intend to make anything but Patreon is still happy to have their account up because it makes them money. I think it is definitely worth trying. What is there to lose?

goship ago

Your donation collection method fucking SUCKS.

  1. Requires like 10 clicks, and a registration/login on store.voat
  2. All this BEFORE it tells me what are the pay/donation methods
  3. I bet it does not have Bitcoin payment
  4. Do I get some credit / badge for it? rubs hands like a Jew

Solutions: Just fucking put a large "BITCOIN ACCEPTED HERE" sign there on top. Also on the page.

Have an admin, who

a) if messaged with signature made by the key who paid to you, will set a badge / send handshake / send nudes (girl admin) - to the guy donating

b) when asked, will create and give a custom payment address - so it's easier to know that payment is from given guy, but also increases a bit privacy (if sender does not need entire Internet to know he paid to Voat)

Easy right?

Also do simillar in Store, especially for the ADs. You need imo real commercial income source, not just donations, for longer term.

KingofKong ago

Voat needs a business plan, not an angel. Some of us more able voaters might be interested in an investment. Throwing money at the servers every few months isn't a solution.

Vreemde ago

Ask Kim Dotcom he might be happy to help with either resources or money, he is a fan of free speech so why not try?

TCP_V1P3R ago

If needed, look into ZeroNet. Users would have to run the app and create new accounts to login, but you should be able to rebuild most of the site over there and no longer have to worry about server costs. It's a nuclear option imo, but it will work. They already got a similar site up and running.

opinionatedduck ago

There should be a banner or something showing users how scrapped for money we are. Like how archiveofourown.com does it. Their costs are way more than voat's but they always manage to hit it in a week.

dynamiteVacancy ago

As wimpy as this might sound sometimes, it really is a good idea. Giving a clear, relatively short-term goal helps out, as it feels more urgent and encourages people to donate without them even seeing posts like these.

ShitArchon ago

they've already wrongfully accused Bannon of being a white nationalist and that Breitbart is a hate site

And /r/Judaism has it as canon that Bannon is an anti-Semite. All the more reason for me to like Bannon, because they didn't have this reaction to Bush and other neocons.

ShitArchon ago

Yeah, I don't care how "unsavory" the ads are as long as it means the site is funded instead of "bawww! Woe is me, we're going to close the site!" posts. It's like how when YouTube demonetized videos, I wanted the ads back so we wouldn't have to pay to fund the creation of content we want like MisterMetokur videos.

rwbj ago

I think there are some simple 'clean' monetization options Voat still has not even attempted.

Why not enable users to have some silly fun for money?

  • Add a user title (name appears PuttItOutt [ My Putt is Out :( ] in all posts) for a month. $5
  • Add a colored user title for a month. Same as above with color. $15
  • Set another user's title for a month. Same as above with some indication it was set by somebody else (and whom). $50
  • Set another user's title for a month if they set yours: $10
  • Make your username bold for a month. $5
  • Add an emoticon by your name for month. $5
  • Add an emotion by somebody else's name for a month. $10

  • Bring any post to the top of a thread. $5

  • Have any post appear in a slightly larger and unique font. $1 (bought in packages of 5)

Replace the ad box on the front page with a basic thread type box. Put it at the far top right on the main page, above even the search box. So everybody will see it. Allow a user to post a message there, visible to everybody for 6 hours for $5. That price linearly declines to $0 if there's no purchaser for 6 hours after the last message expired. Similarly the price exponentially doubles for every 3 messages queued. So that'd be $10/message if there are 3 messages ready to go, $20 when 6 are ready to go, etc. Suddenly you can have Amalek fund Voat all by himself. Seriously though, even if it never received commercial usage, this would add a silly but neat little feature to Voat.

There are dozens of similar ideas. Given the large audience of Voat only a tiny fraction would need to participate to make all you want for Voat come to fruition. These things would not exactly be high brow appeal, but I'd bet that they'd be more than enough to keep the site funded and then well more than that.

oldchangling ago

I wonder if you have considered finding a partner or merging with someone. Gab.ai is also a free-speech haven, competing against twitter. Maybe a one-stop shop of free speech alternative media would be more appealing to backers.

guinness2 ago

OK Putt, I just did what I can to help.

Suggestion: when we don't have sponsors, put a chart in the advertisement slot showing how far from death we are.

OrionBlastar ago

This is a hard thing to do, once you take in an investor he/she/they will try to control what you can and can't do on your site.

I got involved with Kr5ddit, an alternative to Reddit and Kuro5hin, that uses Bitcoins in a creative way, and the Kr5ddit for voting stuff up and down. http://kr5ddit.com/ if your post or comment gets voted down, you can buy Kr5ddits from other users to vote it back up. The Kr5ddits are sold for Bitcoin on a market, and the way to get Bitcoins out of the market has not been invented yet. But it looks like a good start. Converting it to a FOSS at http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ which sort of looks like the old Scoop program by CMF that was designed to mimick what Slashnet had back then that Slashdot ran.

ARsandOutdoors ago

ditto, please produce and sell. And to be honest, seeing as most of us fags are from/align with /pol/ and /k/, why isn't their patches for sale or something...?

OrionBlastar ago

Good luck a lot of the VC/Angels are liberal and won't like the fact that you allow non-liberal views and opinions on Voat, same thing that happened to Reddit actually, and now is happening at Youtube as advertisers want Google to remove revenue from certain channels, forcing people to go to vid.me instead of youtube.

junesunflower ago

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!!! I HAVE AN ANGEL PATRON WHO WANTS TO DONATE TO THE SITE.

I just talked to my boss's, boss's, boss's, boss and George said he will completely fund this site. The only thing is, he insists on a few tiny minor almost insignificant changes.

But he has a LOT of money. Like LOTS.

SeptemberVirgin ago

I love how you all are so eager to help. Nobody has yet considered the massive privacy leak of all your IP addresses.

I hope /v/niggers is ready to have all of their IP addresses published online.

kujda ago

Can't we just pay a monthly fee for Voat?

guinness2 ago

Yes, donating $5 per month for a year is one option: https://store.voat.co/donations

ghostintheshelob ago

Oh man, this sucks. I can probably donate some money but the problem is the brigading on here means I can only post 10 times every 24 hours, which would make it kind of pointless. I haven't even had any debates recently and it's been that way for weeks. Even Reddit doesn't punish me as much for having contrary opinions. I know this isn't the Dev's fault, but it does make me think twice. I'll think about it...

Good luck with the future and I hope you can think of something.

TAThatBoomerang ago

What on earth did you do to warrant a brigade? The only people I've seen be brigaded is people promoting pedophilia or those who copy+paste the same text about Atko being a fag or something to every thread.

ghostintheshelob ago

Pretty sure most of it came from FPH or people not liking comments about Jews, whatever. The problem is even a small brigade or mass of downvotes kicks in the 10 post limit. I'm at it now and I was considering donating today. Reaching it kinda puts me back again but I am encouraged to do it because the dev said he'd recieved a lot of donations.

My issue is that if I'm on Reddit and an sjw or anti-Trump subreddit downvotes me a lot I get restricted to posting once every 8 minutes after a few posts, but Voat outright stops me for 24 hours. It seems harsh and it perpetuates me being stuck with downvoats because I can't post anything.

TAThatBoomerang ago

I know the attitude of "if it hasn't happened for me, it can't have happened to anybody" is really stupid, but that's sort of what I'm thinking right now. I've been banned from FPH, I've called FPH out harshly in other subverses several times, and I've also said very unpopular things about jews on anti-globalist subverses. I've met resistance on those posts, but I've never experienced anything close to a brigade. But once again, that obviously doesn't mean you have never experienced it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you must have either acted like a complete dufus (or a ShareBlue shill), or just have been very unlucky to have experienced this.

Anchy ago

<3

OhRutherfordBehave ago

So is it possible to donate via PayPal?

9144245? ago

Unfortunately no, PayPal froze Voat's account in the early days for having offensive content, I believe. Bitcoin or credit card are the only options right now. It is possible to donate with a pre-paid credit card, though, and that's anonymous.

saintPirelli ago

How much for an Angel badge?

9144253? ago

Ha, now that's a neat idea. Maybe Putt could make it so that anyone who makes it into this thread gets an angel badge.

9144172? ago

It's in the sidebar, but at the very bottom, beneath the ads and stuff. Donate.

DickHertz ago

You don't want an angel you want a sugar daddy.

Short of that go out of business and start a new one that can get free shit for another 3 years :)

9144258? ago

Short of that go out of business and start a new one that can get free shit for another 3 years :)

Gaming the system. I like it.

DickHertz ago

It's the restaurant model :)

9144282? ago

Hahaha, nice!

100011 ago

Oh no i love this place . Some of the best ideas i've seen in the comments are > 1-Bring the cost of operating down some how . 2 - Find sponsors Pornhub, Vape companies ,Marijuana companies ect . 3- Private rich donor someone like Kim Dotcom does the Minecraft dude hate liberals ? 4) Make it easier to donate anonymously and i bet your donations would increase by 30 % or more . 5 - Start selling Goats how much does a goat go for these days ?

dynamiteVacancy ago

The minecraft guy is a cuck, offered to buy 4chan (i think?) and promised to "keep it the same but without all the hate" or something stupid like that so people flamed the fuck out of him.

9144290? ago

Start selling Goats how much does a goat go for these days ?

I chuckled :)

9144062? ago

You can use debit to pay for a pre-paid credit card at a convenient store and use that to donate. Not sure how feasible a system that uses debit directly will be, since PayPal doesn't like Voat.

9143993? ago

Just donated $10/mo

smackdownfletch ago

Just signed up for the $5 a month thing. I can afford that.

9144125? ago

I've just added you to this thread which is documenting everyone who has pledged to donate monthly, so as to give the community an idea of how close we are to funding this website ourselves. Thank you so much for contributing!

riposte ago

Open up your wallets goats.

jonny1313 ago

Donated! Thanks for doing everything you're doing! Hang in there!!!

9143899? ago

Yeah actually you're right. Sorry.

9144193? ago

I thought your reply was hilarious..

Still, the more the merrier, as long as those who come also donate. Otherwise they just drive up the costs.

Gigan ago

Does Voat have a Patreon or something?

9144296? ago

Voat violates Patreon's TOS. PayPal hates Voat. Thus only Bitcoin or credit cards are options. If Bitcoin is too troublesome but you want to be extra anonymous, you can buy a pre-paid credit card at a convenient store and use it.

If you're willing to donate any amount monthly, let me know and I'll add you to this thread.

IrbyTremors ago

I know this is an odd offer to make, I usually lurk. But if you need/want any accounting work done free of charge, let me know Put. I really care about this site. I'm not done my schooling for it yet but should be able to help make the basics easy for the user base to understand.

shin-kicked ago

Shut up and take my money

9144303? ago

Are you donating monthly? If you pledge to do so you'll be added to this awesome thread of amazing goats. :D

something_went_wrong ago

suspend Voat for a few weeks

Translates to instant death to this site's userbase

SJWsRuinedIt ago

In all honesty, who would want to support Voat while it still allows child porn subs? It's also not like Voat has a ton of good content either. Most of the posts come from the same circle-jerk subs and once you block those v/all slows to a halt. Until Voat addresses the cancers killing it then it can't avoid death. It's now or later but it's coming.

lafemme ago

As much as I do love Voat for its commitment to free speech, I don't see Voat getting any real traction any time soon, I've been here a while - mostly just lurking, growth has been pretty stagnant from what I've seen.

I believe Reddit gets most of its money from advertisers, and as such has to heavily moderate what content reaches the front page to keep advertisers happy - no one wants their products to be associated with hate. Voat isn't able to do the same thing because that would go against everything that Voat stands for, as such the outlook is very bleak in what comes to potential advertising revenue.

So the only other option is donations and merchandise, and for this you need a large userbase willing to depart with their money. Apparently Voat has just 650 - 750 active users, even if half of them donated $5 a month that only comes to $1875 a month tops.

Even with Reddit being the shit hole it is, very few people are willing to migrate here. A lot of them don't care about the corrupted admins, or are just completely oblivious to it happening. And if they do come here, the first thing they see is how empty it is in comparison and end up going back to Reddit where the communities are much more active.

I'm not sure how Voat can gain a larger community when the competition is so big, I can only wish the best of luck to the owners in keeping it alive.

Zaqwert ago

Find Alt-right or free speech centric websites to sponsor.

There should also be a fund raising drive, I see no where to even donate.

9144385? ago

Nihilist ago

IPO

knightwarrior41 ago

thank you voat for offering a place for me to express myself freely. i wish you the best to all of you and lets hope for the better(i cant contribute since i am dirt poor,almost homeless dirt poor)

my deepest gratitude to chilly for offering me a chance to moderate his site and to atko and putt for making this happen as long as it went.my hope is that everything gets resolved for the benefit of us all here but if not, it has been a pleasure many thank yous!

@chillyhellion @puttitout @dancingqueen @xennios @atko

ChillyHellion ago

Here's hoping! It's been a pleasure to count you as a friend, knightwarrior14. You're a talented news hound and regular contributor.

knightwarrior41 ago

you two dear friend thank you from the bottom of my heart for trusting in me with your board @v/digitaldivide

i will keep posting there as long as this site exists because its a joy for me to share will fellow voaters news about what is happening... its really a pleasure!

Silencio ago

just put in for $25, first time i've ever put real $ money into a site (never did reddit, wikipedia, etc.). hoping when they process this will be proven out by an organ donor thingy on my voatness, any doubters can check back

redlegmike ago

PS - I had to provide name and address to give you my 50 greenbacks. You better respect that shit and protect it better than Target and others. . .

redlegmike ago

Donated $50. Dont be so fucking dramatic. Just ask you fucker.

Crazyjoe33 ago

Damn straight. It'll be awesome to have one.

9143313? ago

why dont you set up a monthly donation with a merchant processor and skip patreon and paypal? thats the way the big boys do it. they dont use paypal, they don't use patreon they go with a legit merchant processor.

Grumpy_Old_Man ago

Just donated another $50.

Eastupward ago

I just came back from a family holiday to this?!?!?!! JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!

9143193? ago

set up a patreon, set up a monthly membership scheme, everyone that donates x number per month get a little star or something next to their name to feel special, there are tons of ways to monitize this site

9143128? ago

why don't you pursue some small business lending? there are tons of alternative lending companies that will definitely lend to you at a good rate

niggerfaggot1488 ago

@PuttItOut you can have my money too you fucking newfag.

Realclamwrangler ago

Am I the only one thinking 6,000 is a bit much? Why not just rent servers and set up that way?

How many servers does this site currently take to run? Anyone have any idea of the specs? I feel a whole lot is being blown on overpriced Microsoft product s...

Mr_Wolf ago

might be worth setting up a subscription type forum.

free to make an account, browse and allow post in the main verses, even make some of the features paid.

I donated last week and will again on friday, I'd like to see something done so that we don't have to worry about this again.

Traveler ago

It's cool you told us this late in the game, I love a good sense of thrill and recklessness

AliveInTheFuture ago

Personally, as someone who longed for a reddit alternative, voat has become a place for racists, xenophobes, and bigots of all stripes to drool on the internet. Sorry voat, you could have been great.

TAThatBoomerang ago

It's strange how places without censorship turn that way, isn't it? It's almost as if "racism" (whatever that even means anymore), "xenophobia" (not a phobia but is being pro your own group) and "bigot" (actually having an opinion about something) is natural and not bad.

That being said, most of what's posted on Voat doesn't have anything to do with any of those filthy, immoral things you shining virtue-signaling knighthood don't have to deal with when you're on your moral high horse. Good boy!

9144399? ago

There are more than those kinds of people here. The real world has bigots, has xenophobes, has all kinds of people you'd deem abhorrent. Voat does not censor; Voat is real.

Ajaxofbarbaria ago

Wow... so canary is 7 months old?

9144391? ago

Look at the last edit time in the sidebar:

Last edit time: 10 hours ago on 5/17/2017 7:19:28 PM

Ajaxofbarbaria ago

Oh, the sidebar. Thank you!

9145293? ago

No problem!

TH3_1D10T ago

When this place falls, just know, it was a good decision to start this place, man.

worthlesshope ago

I'm curious anyone know what would make voat a good investment? Reddit and Twitter had to sell out to politicians and companies in order to manipulate people's thoughts. Facebook has to sell personal data..These are things people who like voat want to avoid..

Before I came to voat I thought Reddit should have used their platform for something like education, research, or analytics. A stepping stone for a business instead of the primary way to make money.

But I don't believe the same avenues would be open to voat.. a lot of the users, me included, are just angry people saying angry things. If I were running a business that wanted some sort of social networking platform to communicate I'd be afraid to use Voat as the gathering point because of potential civil lawsuits for exposing people to things they don't want to hear or see.

As it is perhaps you can leverage the fact that this is a free speech platform on the internet..Focus on eliminating paid posters, bots, and bad moderation. Perhaps it might be valuable to someone to hear what people really think about things without censorship.

JoeKerr ago

university of phoenix online: Voat campus

Rotteuxx ago

Sweet, any build pics to share ?

I've been telling myself I have to do a fanned fret model, I'll get to it... one day :)

Thx !

irregularverb ago

What is the best option for an anonymous financial donation?

9144406? ago

Since PayPal hates Voat and Voat violates Patreon's TOS, the only donation options at this time are Bitcoin (which is anonymous) or credit card (which is not so anonymous). However, if you go to a convenient store and buy a pre-paid credit card that would serve you as an anonymous donation that's relatively easy, I believe.

irregularverb ago

Thank you PeaceSeeker.

9147290? ago

I'm glad to help in whatever ways I can.

UnfortunateTruth ago

I'm not all tech savvy, but would is save any money to not save/archive most of what happens on Voat.

Change format, so that threads older than a month that don't get any views any more are deleted. Threads that are still relevant/receive traffic can remain. I know it'd suck not to have a database of them all to go through, but it'd be better than no Voat at all.

voice_of_reason ago

How much infrastructure does Voat need?

Azure is a very expensive platform. You could save money - at the cost of higher labor - by using a dedicated server host like OVH.

auto_turret ago

Well, you must be interested in my money order after all. It isn't going to be traceable back to me. It is money. PM me an address to send my donation. Otherwise, you don't get one.

Just tried to give with the gift card. Must enter valid email. I have to make a new email now? Nevermind. Screw the whole thing. I'm giving. You're not taking.

heygeorge ago

There's a fork which is much more recent.

9142457? ago

@PuttItOut I live in South Korea so my times are different from USA and others but we could use that as an advantage. I'm just a humble teacher working here but I have loads of free time. I don't know code or what it is to be an engineer, but I want to keep VOAT alive and am willing to be a project manager to help. I can't provide much but I want to help the best I can. ^^ Edit: I'll be a sponsor and will donate shortly after this, but I want to help out more than just my ₩ (Korean currency)

Jakestr ago

This is the straw that breaks this camel's back. With this post I have lost every ounce of trust on this site. I look at the numerology 6600 and $.90 cents, anyone else see the irony? I would call this a controlled demolition. You lured all the talent, all these amazing investigators to this page to only control the narrative and then shut them down in the end. That is the long and the short of it. Yes we do need A hero but not to save this corrupt site, instead to start a New site, where everyone can post comfortably and not worry about shills in control and censorship. Tata voat, ''twas fun while it lasted. So please save us the sob story no one is buying it. SHMH

TAThatBoomerang ago

ELI5?

Jakestr ago

??? What?

Rotteuxx ago

Same, been chatting & posting since '95 and this is the only place where I've ever truly enjoyed myself.

Let's band together as a community & keep it alive :)

9142379? ago

Holy shit go back to reddit.

klokeid ago

I donated $50. Good luck with the effort.

SomeMilkPodcast ago

Have you reached out to the Kekistani Boys? I hear they need a proper home. Very creative bunch. or Maybe Voat hosts debates between people from different ideologies. Add Revenue off that? The battle ground wouldn't be subject to censorship and if you are bringing bull shit you better be ready to back it up.

LDIP ago

Let us know how much we stacked up today it would be a great motivator for those on the fence once they see how many others donated.

HarveyHarveyJones ago

That's opinionated man

pyres ago

Worst CEO ever.

Torkimadi ago

If stormfront can raise this every month, surly voat can....

WeekendBaker ago

LET THE SERVERS BURN! SCALE BACK 90%!

Liberty_NYC ago

To me, it sounds like you need to find a volunteer team (and ultimately a staff ) that is willing to donate their time for free at this expansion phase and I am sure there are plenty of people here who would like to play a part in that.

I would be willing to put in as many hours a week as possible into supporting this community any way I can. I'd be more than willing to draft emails/ call lists to sell ad space etc.. I do some work in project managment/ solutions (non-technical capacity) more so than sales so I would also be willing to help research, plan, and execute any fixes to issues you see on the horizon or are experiencing in its early stage so that crisis points like this don't happen again in the future. Maybe volunteers subverse or sign up page where people can reach out when you have an issue?

Also, I know where you are coming from about asking for money. I hated to ask, yet somehow I fell into some work recently doing fundraising haha. I will say, though, I changed my opinion on asking for money. When people do give, it will not be begrugedly. In fact, it will create a more engaged and invested community who want to see what they gave to grow and be successful! People who don't plan on giving will just ignore it and I can't imagine people leaving because of it. The bitcoin option is great and at the end of the month I look forward to making a donation to voat.

Dantalian ago

It's okay to call it quits if you'd rather go golfing. You really shouldn't waste your life away maintaining a website of all things. This is the internet, you can rest assured that we fat nigger kike haters will find somewhere else to go, and that your work was not in vain. You have learned and grown so much as a person, and any future endeavors of yours will have the backing of wisdom that you didnt have before. I'd miss voat if it went belly up, but having it drag along while you miss out on grabbing titties and puking your spleen out the morning after while you are still young puts a bad taste in my mouth. Let voat die for now if you have to, and then come back to it when you're 35, divorced and have plenty of time on your hands because your wife got the dog and the kids.

9141987? ago

Kill yourself.

Dantalian ago

Eh, maybe tomorrow.

9142030? ago

Voat is too important to abandon. There's no other place on the internet like this right now that isn't compromised as far as we know. If this was RL i wouldn't tell you to kill yourself but jesus we can't just abandon this platform. He can pass it over to someone who cares or do a million other things, shit he should have asked us for help MONTHS ago. No, this isn't something we can compromise on. Voat needs to live.

Dantalian ago

I take Voat for what it is. It is a website. Websites come and go. When they die, new ones pop-up in their place. I prepared myself for Voat's demise long ago, and my period of being emotional about losing it is over.

What I gathered from the post is that Putt is very much overwhelmed, and perhaps that clouds his thought process and impedes taking action on things. We can offer him what we have and tell him what we think that he should do, but I acknowledge that he is a person with free will. Never should maintaining a website take precedence over your passion that keeps you sane (in this case, golfing). Websites come and go, but you only get one life. I place more value on Putt doing what he wants to do, whether it be putting more effort into the site or letting it go in favor of molesting cute blondes than letting it drag on so that I can have a place to rant.

9142326? ago

You're a bit touched huh? Last time I checked Molesting isn't a cute word to describe consensual actions. This isn't about putt, genius. This is about Voat. If putt wants to step down, fine, but he doesn't need to take the site with him. Go back to reddit.

Dantalian ago

Sex with consent is boring. If you really want to have a good time, catch the bitch by surprise after she's had something stout to drink.

But anywho, back on topic. If he takes the site with him, something else that is similar will pop-up within 6 months or so, so I'm not too.worried about it anymore. I love voat, but it's in Putt's hands and he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And thank you for acknowledging my intelligence and supplying me with some fun back and forth in these comments as I hopelessly wait to fall asleep. Goats are good people.

9142494? ago

Send me nudes.

Dantalian ago

I will after I kill myself tomorrow. :)

OzarkMountainMan ago

You are well spoken with the written word, much better than me. That said, most of us are not the boogie man Neo-Nazi. What ever we are, we are many. I have met some good people hear at Voat some bad. Don't get hung up because I called you a kike, I said so because you are a Jew that seems to be trying to fit in. There is no room for Jews in a White Nationalist movement. We are done being the host nation, good luck to you and your people but not at the cost of my nation.

edit:I would like to add that I don't care if Voat goes down, it's the underground that is popular with the youth and they are my audience. The youth are the future and their minds are malleable.

Donbuster ago

@puttitout. Sometime in the next few days, can you push the current codebase to git? there's significant drive on the site for the community to help optimize, and move to open source platforms to cut costs. I think you should take them up on that. What's more, should the site be forced to close, such an action would allow someone else to take up the reins at a later time.

9141715? ago

Awesome! I'll add you to a thread I'm writing now. Expect a ping before much longer.

TheHolyGrail ago

Ask The Rothschild family.

TheHolyGrail ago

They sponsored Assange after all.

lucifirius ago

You might want to think of implementing a Voat version of Gold. Maybe the Voat Goat, with various levels from $1- Bronze, to $5 Platinum. Bronze, Silver, Gold, Diamond, Platinum. Ad free for a month, highlights whatever post it was given to, and maybe their username on a page with a list of sponsors (people that have given the Voat Goat). Have a leaderboard for most Voat Goats.

TAThatBoomerang ago

Ad free for a month

Many ads are jokes / advertising other subverses, and the rest are from small companies that are pro-Voat so I would probably want to keep seeing ads.

lucifirius ago

True. The ads are so much better than any other website.

51rH0n3y84d93r ago

You stand at a fork in the road. Do you go to advertisers or do you use the value-for-value strategy? Lookup the NoAgenda Show and see how they ask for donations every episode; this is meant for an overall understanding that format will not work for a web site obviously.

To get an idea of the value-for-value strategy applied to a website, look at free republic. This is one of the oldest and most fugly websites known to man (and so resistant to change as they banned me for attempting to share a plug-in to show proper threads), but every quarter they raise well above your operating costs and their overhead is far lower than yours.

The rough strategy they use is: 1. Do a mass fundraising every quarter, displaying a donation amount bar in place which is manually updated. 2. After a couple of weeks, they roll out the 'monthly' donations to the bar. 3. Until the goal is reached, native ads are displayed. The native ads are both on the page and comments telling people to cough up the money.

If you're going to be successful, you either need to sell the users or get used to asking for money. Listen to a NoAgenda donation segment or two and listen to their pitches and segues. Their arguments revolve around that advertisers seek to control the content around their ads and John and Adam have seen this all throughout their careers.

If you'd like to discuss more offline, please PM me.

facepaint ago

Start a patreon account.

nobslob ago

open source, open source, open source. Say it with me!

Why people choose to use MS technologies is beyond me. I would even help program, except I don't do any MS languages.... The only costs should be hosting and bandwidth related. Oh well, I hope the next free speech platform is started from a better position.

I gave before, but this doesn't seem sustainable anymore. It's been fun while it lasted

facepaint ago

Whip up a monthly donation progress bar & tack on 30% profit.

solar_flare ago

I don't know all that much about Markus Persson aka Notch, but I know he's got money and seems to be against the anti-free speech crowd. Does anybody have any thoughts on reaching out to him about investing into Voat?

https://twitter.com/notch/

Donbuster ago

There's likely more running in their stack that isn't directly MS owned. There's also the matter of microsoft's margins when it comes to software. I've not used azure, but regardless of weather its being rolled into the total bill or paid explicitly, that's still money that voat is paying that it doesn't need to be.

9141518? ago

I guess I don't know enough about how the internet works to understand why you would pay over $6000 a month for something rather than just buying the hardware and doing it yourself

9141507? ago

Take some bones, soak them in a stew overnight, you have some bone broth.

Rotteuxx ago

I'd rather go through Voat for managing orders. Just an idea for now, let's look into it.

middle_path ago

Still, wouldn't hurt to ask his business.

Donbuster ago

We have them. They don't get bought

Donbuster ago

In the past Voat has been lucky enough to be part of special programs designed for startup companies which gave us free licensing on various products and significantly reduced hosting costs.

The fact that they are on an azure based stack DOES lend me to believe that at least a decent portion of that is license costs. If we could switch to a FOSS stack, sure we'd still have to pay hosting, but at least a decent chunk would be taken out. Even 8-9 hundred a month would be VERY significant for the site,

9141441? ago

Heard you guys were in trouble. I think I've contributed in the past, but I haven't made enough to pay my own bills this month yet. So I'm just here to offer moral support. If any new business comes my way I'll do what I can though.

Statutory_Ray ago

Do a donation drive. At the very least it will buy extra time until something more permanent is figured out. I'll throw down some shekels to keep this site afloat

peanutz ago

This whole comment section is 'Match me!' all over again. Sounds familiar.....

pixelperfect1 ago

This seems sketchy. The pattern currently seems to be wait 6 months, ask for emergency money, get the money, never hear anything again for 6 months. Not saying money is being taken/stolen but we have no transparency on what the costs are to know.

Bill_Murrays_Sandals ago

I will donate tomorrow in the region of 30 bucks

Gotta keep Voat alive!!!

Definitely ask for sponsorship @puttitout !

Infowars, Brietbart, Heat street hell maybe Sargon, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Rebel Media, Mark Dice, Rubin, Milo or PJW might be able to help out.... It would be a terrible tragedy if Voat ceased to exist... They might be able to sustain us financially? Wouldn't hurt to ask!!

Hope this all smooths out...

Fingers crossed!

fagnig ago

There used to be a sidebar meter showing the monthly target for donations and how far there was to go.

9141262? ago

I may have been wrong

It looks like there may be an option to donate $5 every month for a year, automatically. If you want to pay more than that each month, buy multiple instances of that option.

I haven't explored this but it should be simple to use.

AssuredlyAThrowAway ago

What about if you started a "daily fundraising goal" on the sidebar, with a donation link?

trentlapinski ago

Could use some upvotes on Hacker news: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14363795

Can help reach a larger audience outside the Voat echo chamber.

On another note, I'd love to know how I can help? In the cloud computing space and an experienced entrepreneur in San Francisco. My VC connections aren't the best, but you don't really want a VC. Angel is the way to go, you need a whale with cash to burn who wants to do some social good which is not easy to find.

Another community to look into is the Bitcoin community, a lot of self made people with money in that community. 5 Bitcoins per month would cover your hosting costs at their current evaluation.

Donbuster ago

If you're willing to donate time,

https://voat.co/v/SavingVoat/1866511

Otherwise, if you have offers, email them to [email protected]

fagnig ago

Make this a post in /v/whatever

wgtt911 ago

The Pre-Paid card I use for Online Shopping is pretty low but I donated what I could.. Be sure to keep us up to date....

lorlipone ago

Create some trivial acknowledgement for folks who donate $5/month. I'd do it.

9144181? ago

There are the heart badges for donors.

I think people who pay something every month might like some kind of symbol beside their name or something, though. I've heard people talking about "meaningless subscription perks" a fair amount today.

lorlipone ago

It'd only be meaningless to other folks. I'd treasure that stuff.

9144231? ago

By meaningless I really mean useless. If we gave subscribers actually useless perks it might frustrate those who won't or can't afford to donate. But something useless like a cute little goat face beside our names, who could complain??

Also if you decide to donate $5/month (or any amount monthly) let me know so I can add you to this thread.

lorlipone ago

Please add me to that thread. I would absolutely pay $5/month for this place to keep the lights on.

9144277? ago

You're added :)

If you didn't do the Donate $5 a month for a year option and are instead doing it manually each month, be sure to comment in this thread to baneofretail can send you a reminder on the 15th of each month.

Thanks for help keeping Voat alive.

lorlipone ago

Wasn't aware of the $5/month for a year thing, but I just signed up for it. Thanks.

lorlipone ago

It's nowhere near enough to properly help, but you just got $25 from me.

9141087? ago

Doesn't seem so bad a fate, the ways things are going down here on Earth. :P

9141071? ago

I'm just a goat like you trying to encourage donation, so "gave you" isn't the most accurate phrase, but HOLY COW thanks for that substantial donation, oldgoat! And you'll give monthly?

Some kind of subscription system for the credit cards has been highly requested today. If it's feasible maybe Putt will implement that. As for PayPal, Voat used PayPal for donations early on but because Voat started hosted controversial material PayPal froze their account. So basically PayPal sucks.

ScreaminMime ago

Would an ability to delete dead verses help?

RiverWind ago

Vikings

100% Libre, at reasonable rates.

9141000? ago

Regardless of what happens, I just want to say thanks. You could have folded a long time ago, and no one would have been able to blame you guys then much less now.

suramartian ago

Agreed on all three counts, any of them would destroy free speech on this site.

9140972? ago

Heinlein's de la Paz was a bright fellow, to be sure.

Bigz_Sarducci ago

VOAT needs to go free version limited access, and a pro version for $5.99 a month for full access.

kammmmak ago

Gofundme?

kammmmak ago

So how much time do we have? Gofundme?

Death2Autism ago

How realistic would it be to move away from the cloud to a bunch of dedi's at a datacenter? They pay will go down SIGNIFICANTLY once you pay for the hardware. It is a great long term investment but has some technical challenges, but $6,6k/mo is ridiculous imo.. It can be cut by an order of magnitude after initial investment.

Knights_of_the_14 ago

I can provide front end development assistance, I have experience with back-end as well and would be willing to help for free if you decide to change over to Linux. Otherwise I'll be donating some money, this is the only place I feel free to express my thoughts and I'd put in what's needed to maintain that

Broc_Lia ago

Just donated. It's not much, but I can't afford a whole lot right now. Hopefully it'll count for something.

kammmmak ago

Can someone tell me what to do to help?

BreesusLovesYou ago

All this talk of individual donations is nice, but there's not realistically enough of us willing/able to make large enough reoccurring donations indefinitely to keep up with the expenses of running a serious social media site. We need a mass campaign to contact someone with deep enough pockets that they could eat costs on their own, that might also share the free speech ideals of Voat. Difficult to know who if anyone would be willing to publicly take the criticism that would come with tolerating some of the uglier sides of free speech, but we should figure out candidates that might and coordinate a twitter campaign to try to get their attention. I'd nominate John McAfee to start.

9143915? ago

With only 30 people documented we already have 1/9 of the currently stated monthly operating costs pledged. Voat has hundreds of active content submitters, thousands of active commenters. We definitely can fund this ourselves.

BreesusLovesYou ago

Little donations might help pay for servers and such. It doesn't get voat a real staff and keeps it relegated as a couple guys side project until they run out of the energy to keep doing something for nothing or life gets in the way as we've already seen from Atko.

9147322? ago

As Putt said in the announcement, if Voat can fund itself for a few months more he should be able to introduce the infrastructure necessary to properly low costs and maybe take on a larger staff in the near future. This is a step in that direction.

BreesusLovesYou ago

No he didn't. He said he wasn't going to shut down immediately but he was scaling back resources and talked about his own sacrifices to keep voat running. No where in there was anything to suggest that short of a deep pockets investor would voat stay open. People in the comments assumed if they could raise the server and software costs all would be fine, but completely ignored that he basically said, "Look I can't do this for free forever."

Go read what he actually wrote. https://voat.co/v/announcements/1866053

9147469? ago

I suppose I was more referring to several of the comments he made within the announcement thread. His position right now is not one of giving up, but of warning us of potential worst case scenarios becoming reality. He has, within this thread, stated his intention to contact free speech supporting celebrities, to make significant changes to Voat and its management given the opportunity to do so, etc.

Read through his recent comment history to see what I mean. History.

BreesusLovesYou ago

I know he made some comments on not giving up yet and all, but they all also centered around the idea of needing one year's funding to include being able to hire a small staff for voat to go forward long term. You can't crowd fund that. There's nothing in his comments that says it he gets a few months the situation will get better and he'll be able to hire anyone. It's all, "I need mass funding to get a staff if this going to be a thing."

So donate a little if you can, that's nice, but it's not the answer. From everything Putt has said a big enough investment upfront to have the capital to hire a staff for a year is the only way voat stays open long term. I don't know if financially that is the correct way for him to look at the situation, but that's what he has said.

Any effort to save voat needs to include ways to try to help Putt find a serious investor. "Everybody give five bucks," isn't gonna do it.

9147772? ago

I agree morally trustworthy investors would be ideal, but I see nothing wrong with trying to get enough of the userbase to pledge $6000+ a month. With 40+ users we have almost $1000 already. I'm confident enough people pledging $5 or $10 a month could buy as substantially more time.

BreesusLovesYou ago

Like I said it's nice, and maybe it does buy some time. But realistically people posting in a thread, "Hey I'll donate $X / month" that they may or may not actually follow up on isn't a sustainable model.

All it takes is a relatively small percentage of those who pledged to donate to not follow up one month - be it because they had unexpected expenses in life, forgot or lost interest, or just straight up lied because they wanted both fives in a comments section but never really intended to donate, or whatever - and expected revenue from donations pledged goes tits up.

So again, its nice if those who can donate do. But Putt can't count on that as a budget, hire a staff off of that or do any of the things he says he needs to stay open.

9148332? ago

I agree. Obviously pursuing this as a crutch is best if we have more pledges than we actually need, because yes people will fail to deliver. Doing this in the meantime is by no means a bad idea or a waste of time. No it's likely not sustainable but it is worth attempting to see what the results yield, for those who can afford to try pledging something small.

Precipitate ago

I was going to wait until I found a new job to donate again but I'll go ahead and give you $25 now. I don't know what I'd do if voat shut down.

ack9834 ago

I support and applaud the effort that is voat.co (and its previous name).

However I've said it before, and I'll say it again... a site like voat cannot exist as a viable venture AND maintain its founding goals and purpose. Voat needs to transform into a portal for a federated, distributed news system with the same general reddit-like feature set (ie old school newsgroups aren't good enough for this, a new protocol is needed).

I will happily put forth effort into making this happen if we can get enough contributors to make it realistic.

Unfortunately, as is, putting money into voat might as well be burning cash in the long run. There is no way to monetize a centralized free speech platform like this in the current environment.

Morbo ago

I'm with you on this. Putt, you have my $25.00, and my axe.

Puttitout_Is_Fat ago

Sheeple blindly donate to criminal SJW shills who have taken over the site. Free thinking human beings critically examine the evidence and decide for themselves.

ThatsSoJewish ago

$25... WHAT IS THIS? A DONATION FOR ANTS?!

TAThatBoomerang ago

Money's really tight for some. Me included. Sometimes $25 is actually all you can spare.

BRAlNlAC ago

very relevant username.

Morbo ago

Oh shit, did I accidentally donate my money to ants again?!

AverageAmerica ago

Ants always have such nice things.

pray_the_gay_away ago

Silicon Valley goat here. I am definitely interested in investing in voat. I could also help you find even larger chunks of capital. PM me.

Donbuster ago

send it to [email protected]

EmmetMcTaggart ago

Do what 4 chan does, force a captcha on users every post they make and charge $20 a year to get rid of it. This will also hinder bots.

TAThatBoomerang ago

Not sure if this is the best solution, but Upvoating because it's one possible solution.

9142387? ago

Fuck captchas.

EmmetMcTaggart ago

pay the $20 then, cheap ass.

9145342? ago

20$ for what?

EmmetMcTaggart ago

to get rid of the captcha for a year

chasOSG ago

Would you be interested in selling VOAT? Of course, only to someone as dedicated to free speech as you guys are. Please let me know at [email protected]

collegetoker ago

@PuttItOut Have you considered turning the userbase into a massive bitcoin mining pool? Would that help?

https://qz.com/154877/by-reading-this-page-you-are-mining-bitcoins/#Correction

OhBlindOne ago

Voat better not go anywhere. I don't want to see this community disappear. Reddit isn't going to win.

I'll do what I can to donate, just wish I was a billionaire, I'd fund the pants off this operation.

You're doing incredible work Putt, keep it up. Just please let us know sooner in the future, as @NeedleStack said.

There are some incredible goats here on Voat, they're not going to sit bac and let Voat die. Just you wait and see ;)

RiverWind ago

GNU MediaGoblin

This GNU project aims to be self-hosting and federalised. The self-hosting part would offload the cost of the servers, hopefully. The federalization would make Voat less vulnerable to a single point of failure. Perhaps it could be adapted in some way to meet Voat's needs.

EtherBBS
There is also a distributed forum system based on Etherum under development where discussion is moved to the block chain.

BOINC
Wouldn't the BOINC service that powers SETI@Home be a possible way to have processing completed on the computers used by Goats? There is a Grid computing facility that uses BOINC.

To throw a few more ideas into the hat, how about Voat just scales everything down to maintenance and provision of an index. When users want to access Voat, they zsync their local copy of the index with changes on voat's index. Instead of everybody linking to Voat directly, Voat could have a few Mirrors, USA, Canada, UK, Germany, etc.

What are Voats current requirements for: Data Transfer, RAM, Storage, and Processing Cores?

Keep your confidence and thank you so much for working on a platform for Free Expression.

l1br8-ted ago

patreon?

Gnatsunami ago

Throwing out the blanket "only shills will respond to this" only negates your own argument and is one reason no one will listen to you. Not to mention it's straight chicken shit as a way to try to prove a point without anyone being able to retort or even have a conversation with you about it. Take Your bitch ass back to the kids table (reddit). There's actual adults trying to have a conversation here. I've never seen someone so committed to being just terrible at something.

pangaea ago

Well the search is an important feature to content-oriented subs where nobody will really care how new or old the post is (e.g. in porn subs, photography, etc)

9141207? ago

Just use @VoatSearch 's engine. It's seemingly superior anyways.

ShitArchon ago

VASTLY superior. Voat's search engine is crap and doesn't allow search-by-flair because that part was never, ever implemented.

Reddit used to have filter-by-flair. I'd gladly donate towards implementing that on Voat.

pangaea ago

That's why I added the gallery thing to /v/RFH. Also it is on my personal server so it won't be affected if voat goes down.

K-Money ago

I just tried to donate but they want full name/billing address, even checking out as a guest.

Uhh..no.

Are BTC donations accepted?

cynicaloldfart ago

Check this out.
"It worked- I was successfully able to donate with a pre-paid gift card!"

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1866405

fagnig ago

Not sure how it works, but i think its probable that the credit card handler sees that info, not voat.

Still not good enugh for some, but the question might be more, do you trust the CC handler...

Precipitate ago

Yes, check the sidebar on the front page.

doodlegum ago

Are you fucking insane? Tell us the amount and we will get it. This community is the most intelligent, wonderful blah blah.

If you want to close it, please leave the keys with us, because we are not faggots!

This is the chance of your life, Puttitout, don't waste it.

I'm donating a couple of hundreds, but I suspect you are too busy elsewhere. Having problems with your girlfriend or something?

Deplorable_Me ago

I just donated. You should too!

guinness2 ago

I just donated too.

Neo-maxi-zoom-dweeby ago

Start Voat Premium service - ad free and maybe some kind of subverse that is patrons only? I will chip in some chits.

Goathole ago

I cracked the old leather bank open and after the moths cleared I went to the Donate page. It won't recognize my username/password. I even changed my password and it still won't work.

What am I doing wrong?

9144053? ago

I think the donation page has an optional separate account specifically for donating. I think the username is your email and the password is specific to that new account. It's entirely optional and is only for increasing the efficiency of donating. You should be able to "donate as a guest" from that page.

ZiggyZoomber ago

I would suggest following the gab model of offering a paid pro version... I don't know how many active users there are but if you could get a couple 1000 members paying a few bucks a month that would sure help to cover costs.

WhatchaSay ago

God fucking dammit.

sensitive ago

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1866290 our donation campaign!

banchozeromon ago

I've reached out to both Breitbart and Milo Yiannopolous to see if maybe they would be interested in working out an ad deal with @puttitout. Here's hoping. I'll be sending some cash on pay day.

voats4goats ago

What about venmo? Seems like they take prepaid credit cards

catfishjones ago

So sad. Cheers mate.

Mr_Dusk ago

Have you considered taking voat onto a peer to peer network or something so community members can choose to host a node of voat? it would improve security, anonymity and hosting costs would be significantly lower if not eliminated. you just gotta make it easy and convenient for people to install and use.

solar_flare ago

THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT. IF EVERYONE KNEW THE NUMBERS AND DIRE NEED OF FINANCING, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY COULD/WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD AT WORK TO FIND A SOLUTION WITH YOU.

There's also no reason you shouldn't be able to live comfortably off of owning a website like this. Don't beat around the bush or be coy about money issues, it's how the real world operates, and only delusional people wouldn't understand.

/rant over

9139998? ago

Man I so wish I made enough money to donate to ANYTHING. Unfortunately, I just fucking can't. I'm too young to not be saving every penny of my minuscule income. If I win the lottery on one of my 2 or 3 $1 tickets I buy a year (for fun(and don't try to shit on me for spending $3 a year, that's not going to help voat) you're the first on my list though.

avgwhtguy1 ago

I can help. I am a digital production/marketing/monetization guru of sorts. I have a long list of professional credentials and accomplishments; basically the largest websites online bid for my services, and I have a network of professionals I can reach out to.

I have been with voat since creation, long time redditor before that. I care about the cause, and I can help.

If you really want to keep voat alive, reach out. I'm talking about lowering costs and increasing revenue at no expense (benefit?) to ux.

Cheers

Donbuster ago

If its something serious and tangible that you have a lot of the groundwork done for, email it to [email protected]

solar_flare ago

How about offering some solutions out in the open for all of us to see?

fagnig ago

@Puttitout may miss this message, i have pinged him to increase the chance he reads it, if he dont, his inbox will be on fire right now, you could reach out on the voat email, which you can find on the "About" page, bottom of the front page.

avgwhtguy1 ago

I have tried reaching them before.. Not sure if they cant tell quality from quantity, other motives, or what... , but no response from @Atko or @PuttItOut ever

toobaditworks ago

@PuttItOut Spelling has to right to ping.

Scratch that. I was wrong.

fagnig ago

Spelling was right, right? Does capitalization matter?

toobaditworks ago

No it doesn't I was wrong. Sorry.

toobaditworks ago

Does capitalization matter?

I think so. That's what I've read before. Although if you click the link it goes to right user page so I don't know.

Hopevoats ago

Why not set up a tiered membership plan?

DoomMantia ago

Angels do not roam this place, though.

HuginnOgMuninn ago

Shill status: confirmed

baneofretail ago

We all thank you, info to donate is on the Sidebar. I'm going to create a spreadsheet later and see if I can get funding updates from @puttitout.

toobaditworks ago

You have to spell the name right for the ping to work: @PuttItOut

disinfo sorry.

baneofretail ago

really, cause when i spell it in all lower caps, it directs me to his page, or did i completely duff the spelling?

toobaditworks ago

The links will work without caps but people have said when you ping someone it needs the exact spelling (caps) due to the code. This could be wrong. Maybe putt can shed some light on it.

works without caps... sorry

baneofretail ago

I think his inbox may be a bit full for the next couple of days.

toobaditworks ago

I'd say test it on my username but I don't have caps. Maybe @ToObadItWorks will work?

toobaditworks ago

Got it. So caps doesn't matter. :)

baneofretail ago

Awesome, learn something new every day. Do you have a moment to speak about our savior Voat the Goat and how you can help support this website? v/Goats4Voat

toobaditworks ago

I do! Do you have any literature?

baneofretail ago

If you can, please donate to help us keep Voat running and free. As a thank you, we will display a donor badge on your profile. You can also donate Bitcoin at Coinbase. Coinbase seems to have shut Voat's Merchant account off! Thanks Coinbase, love you too. New Bitcoin Wallet Address: 1PhBpbED6uEnrvy5s9F9axBZbK8fWAeZdc

Copied from the sidebar, but if you enjoy free speech, please be sure to dontate what you can. Feel free to comment on v/Goats4Voat to receive a monthly reminder to donate any amount above $5.00

toobaditworks ago

Yeah.. ok nevermind. I tested it and it works with or without caps. Me dumb.

the_sharpest_knife ago

Did I miss the donation link?

gauss_markov ago

I stand corrected. Fucking Washington Post.

Rotteuxx ago

Sounds good, thx !

Devious1 ago

Your maybe correct. But..... A few of them, which could switch over when necessary, maybe the best way to defeat, without the expense. Change dns records, putitoutthere! Don't get screwed by big corps.

Back in the day, I donated 7 servers (because of security reasons hdd's were missing). Still miss the #england crew.

pizzaequalspedo ago

LOL so in other words, VOAT was subsidized by the government (likely CIA/NSA in order to keep tabs on us) and now they're pulling the plug.

Got it.

9142419? ago

This might be the case, maybe not. The Don might have said "Fuck it open the flood gates let the people who can think for themselves integrate with the closed minded sheep. Plus less shit to fund" Who knows?

But you're wrong, because having a bastion of free speech on the internet is crucial. Brilliant minds converge here to work for the betterment of mankind. Whether you think this is a honeypot or not, I want whats best for the world and I want to be heard. The way Voat operates SHOULD BE the model for how more user created websites should run. More free speech, more transparency, complete user control. No outside influences, no censorship.

pessimisticsteel ago

Donate your trust fund, rich boy. :)

9139672? ago

Others here and in the past have suggested automatic subscriptions, with or without additional features. I'm not sure what the features would be but I'm sure many would pay into a subscription whether there were other features with it or not.

Thanks again for the donation, mate.

sound_of_silence ago

@kevdude

we tried to tell you.. member i said the smartest thing voat could do would be to stop while it was only slightly behind in the war on its users... we'd all give if we all weren't getting beat down by the absurd restrictions... please consider how the userbase is synergistic to the financial security.. stomping on the folks who love voat (even if you disagree with them) will never pay off.. just like now.

@PuttitOut @Atko

Ina_Pickle ago

I have seen another site run on donations of $350 a month. Is it just a difference in the scale of the operation? I dont think they get half the traffic Voat does.

allogonist ago

I would pay real money to use a version of Voat where the accounts posting are verified, vetted, and 100% guaranteed to be real humans who only own a single account. If I could have discussions about any bullshit I wanted in an environment where I knew the discussions, ideas, votes, comments, and moderation, was done by humans not trying to manipulate me as part of some political agenda I would pay $10 a month for that service. Hell, I would even put up with sponsored manipulation if the website showed me how much money was being spent to change my perspective on things.

I don't know if such a system is even possible to build.

Right now, the open nature of Voat makes it not much better than Reddit. We have tons of shill accounts here screwing with us all the time. Frankly many of the legitimate discussions on this website have been discredited by shill accounts pretending to be racist etc. The one saving grace of Voat is that the site owners don't seem to be actively censoring certain discussions or directly modifying user content via database manipulation as they are on Reddit. A fact that's likely to change if you find the wrong source of income.

I am tired of being manipulated on social media. Offer me a product that's worth money and you will have my money.

9142459? ago

A subscription service low enough for a single user but too high to be purchased by botters without serious capital. It could work and it could also be utter shit. There's a line between having borders and having walls.

allogonist ago

Yeah, how do we solve the biggest problem of modern social engineering...I don't claim to have the answer.

However, letting everyone be 100% anonymous, and then voting on ideas with imaginary points is like the best system ever from the perspective of someone with a trillion dollars and an agenda to manipulate people.

I mean, you can't read reddit or voat and honestly say "this is how people actually think" because so many of the accounts are on there trying to change your perception of one group or another. Don't like a political movement? pay 100 shill accounts to join their movement and slowly turn the movement into an anti-Semitic movement so that 99% of viewers on the internet will dismiss their ideas as racist without even considering them.

It's crazy fucking easy to do, and millions of dollars are being spent on it every month anonymously.

Freedom from THAT would be worth $10 a month to me. Right now, Voat is full of that, so I don't know if donating is really worth it to me.

9144841? ago

I agree with you and I think a paywall would honestly be better than what we've had so far. I just know they'll stop at nothing to have control. I'd subscribe.

Don't let me discourage you. I think a subscription service to voat would be great or any other information sharing platform. I'll spread the word too.

9141930? ago

If you do decide to donate $10/month let me know and I'll add you to a thread documenting all the users pledging to donate each month.

Ywis ago

What's a pateron account for Voat? I'll donate what I can if my name stays private.

9144211? ago

Apparently Patreon has an SJW TOS and Voat violates it, so that's a no go. Bitcoin is anonymous but it's a hassle forpeople who haven't used it before.

Your only option then is to buy a pre-paid credit card at a convenient store. There have been reports today that that works and it's anonymous. Do it every month if you're even more awesome so I can add you to this thread.

9139633? ago

Ps, how about closing new account registrations for a bit? Hold off from new spammers.

TelescopiumHerscheli ago

Why did they get banned?

9139606? ago

Can you tell us how much we need, at least?

vault_boy ago

Could always move to zero net that may be feasible

gauss_markov ago

Fucking SJWs

firex726 ago

How does voat violate it but the antiSJW youtubers ads allowed?

Sargon and Pool are on goverment lists but have Patreons.

Laurentius_the_pyro ago

Sargon and Pool are on goverment lists but have Patreons.

Because they don't say anything bad about Jews.

9139902? ago

Sargon and Pool are still liberals at the end of the day. Meanwhile, we have a lot of what they would call "hate speech baggage" (and I would call "defended free speech") in the dark corners of our website (because somehow this tavern has so many "dark corners" that it can hold thousands of people in those areas), so the SJWs would throw an even bigger panic attack if we tried to do anything there.

gauss_markov ago

Why would they lose advertisers? Voat is too small to be featured in the news. For all intents and purposes, we're a Reddit clone with laxer moderation.

HuginnOgMuninn ago

Only way forward is growth, considering the global trends to the right, It's heading towards massive

cousineerie ago

I'm guessing you'll have what you need by day's end.

curomo ago

Why don't I see voat listed on brave payments?? @PuttItOut are you familar with that? Is no one else on brave??

how about a patreon option?

9139532? ago

Whoa there goat save some for next month!

That's a momentous contribution, thank you dearly.

If you can afford $5 or even %10 a month it will go a long way towards keeping Voat alive long enough to find a more reliable source of funding.

baneofretail ago

How can I set up recurring charges to my credit card. I do that with the NRA and would like to do the same for voat.

goatboy ago

KEK will provide. We just need to find the most autistic, ridiculous, improbable, absurd, and ironic way to beseech the Chaos.

MinorLeakage ago

We desperately want more merchandise for starters. I think there is more support than you might suspect. I have not donated in the past, but I will if it has a possibility of keeping this place alive.

We need an actual plan though. Let us Goats help you. Most of us want to do ANYTHING (well, within reason) we can to help, we mostly just lack organization.

Be open and honest about what you need. We want to help.

chris ago

i feel like people, including myself, always just assume this is some low cost hobby for somebody but the reality is this is a insanely expensive full time gig that doesn't really pay anything.

Voopin__Voopin ago

"Voat is flying now....Weeeee!"

--still on sidebar.

That ad, ironically, marked the end of transparency as we knew it. Nobody even told us when we asked "How? How is voat flying?"

With the transparency we used to have, I don't think we'd have gotten this bad off. Alas, the "what ifs" aren't helping anyone. I only bring it up because we've had multiple instances of goats willing to donate/volunteer/whatever.

(@goldf1sh did you ever get your hoodie?)

I have personally submitted a thread to /v/help or whatever, and it did not get a single response. I also have a t shirt from a merch drive, as well as a hoodie and stickers. So i, and plenty others, are willing to monetarily help. I put my money where my mouth is, yet can't expect communication in return.

(In b4 "full-time jobs, and life outside voat." Yeah, I got those too yet here I am.

Not shitting on you for no reason, putt. Just speaking for myself, and hopefully some of the nonvocal minority here. I'm STILL willing to buy merch. STILL willing to open my wallet.... even for the admins who don't respond. Because I believe in freedom of speech, and I've made a couple friends here as well.

I'm saddened by this announcement , as voat represents something larger than our little community of niggerfaggots.

PuttItOut ago

We never felt safe talking about the start up sponsorships we applied for as we were jaded by Paypal and thought that we would be kicked out at any time. In fact we expected it.

When we posted the "we are flying" pic we were ending one sponsorship. A short time later we were approved for a second much smaller but still very helpful program that has sense ended.

No @goldf1sh never got his merchandise, and many others didn't either. All these orders have been refunded in full.

Voopin__Voopin ago

Thank you for the response :)

As stated earlier, I will still open my wallet, and @Rotteaux posted an idea that'd be 100 percent profit for voat.

Voopin__Voopin ago

replying to myself because I'm an idiot.

@Puttitout the guy with the idea was @Rotteuxx and I fucked up his username the first time.

9139450? ago

I used to be bothered by this when they changed the system. You used to be able to input the exact amount you need to pay.

But you can add multiple instances of those options to your cart. If you want to donate $75 add the $25 donation and the $50 donation and then check out. Etc.

OzarkMountainMan ago

Every time I get to 4000 ccp I change names, but always keep it similar.

LlamaMan ago

Putt I really think Atko's financial posts were very important. You need to keep us updated like this instead of dropping bombs on us.

We love Voat. We'd love to keep it alive. We might not have the money to though.

Can we all look around? There are some big free speech companies and groups out there.

Do you need help? Can we help you with community discussion? Management? Keeping the community updated? Don't just shut us out because loudmouth fuckers scream how horrible new admins are.

Pizzalawyer ago

I am ready to make a donation ASAP but I don't know how, you would be surprised at the number of folks who are computer illiterate but nevertheless participate from a cell phone. I'm one of those and I would need very explicit instructions on how to make an anonymous donation. And don't use any computer jargon, I don't understand half the terminology you guys use. I'm heading towards my 7th decade and there are other grandparents and retirees on pizzagate.voat who are dedicated, I know because I have communicated with some. And they would be happy to donate I'm sure. There was a demographic survey re Pizzagaters not too long ago that revealed a $70,000 average annual household income as I recall. Please make it easy for us to donate and you'll be surprised at the results, I promise!

LostandFound ago

On a mobile simply go to front or all then click the three lines to open the side menu. Once you have that open scroll down to the very bottom its a big red donation button hopefully you will see it :)

ilovepussy ago

@puttitout - I've made this proposal a couple of times in the past to both you and Atko, but alas, I never got a response. I will make this offer again. This time on your open post:

I have always agreed with your philosophy and the voat principles that are the foundation of what you have built.

As I stated in previous messages, I have no desire to change these fundamentals. My only goal is to provide material assistance with the hopes of being part of something bigger than the sum of the parts. Maybe, sometime in the future, there might be some tangible return on investment. Then again, if it is not in the cards, I would still consider it money well spent.

I would like to know what you see as your short and medium term goals. Is it to find sufficient funding to allow you to devote your full-time efforts to voat? Is it to have sufficient funding to cover hosting? Do you need development assistance, or other professional services? What I am really asking is; What are you looking for?

I want to help, and I have access to resources that could provide significant funding, and/or professional assistance.

If you are interested, please send me a PM, and I will provide hard contact information.

LostandFound ago

They need to get 2-3 Linux devs with .net experience for about 2-3 months to get away from azure. This should reduce down the hosting by about 75% then they need to appoint someone to sales and marketing to monitize in a sustainable and acceptable way. So 50-60k budget on dev time 18 - 24 in hosting fees in the interim. At that point hosting should be sub 2k per month. Banner ads on the top of each sub charged based on popularity of sub aim for average of 500 usd per month. Breitbart would love a banner on top of politics or news. Now you just need to sell 8 - 10 per month to cover hosting costs and initial basic wage for a salesperson.

Its so close but they do need an angel, but they could implement the banners today if there was a will to do it.

aztek ago

They need to get 2-3 Linux devs with .net experience for about 2-3 months to get away from azure. This should reduce down the hosting by about 75%

Have at it. Don't know how to write software you say? Then maybe you should stop telling everyone how many people are needed and how long it will take for something you know nothing about.

then they need to appoint someone to sales and marketing to monitize in a sustainable and acceptable way. So 50-60k budget on dev time 18 - 24 in hosting fees in the interim.

He has no money, how was he going to hire these people again?

Banner ads on the top of each sub charged based on popularity of sub aim for average of 500 usd per month. Breitbart would love a banner on top of politics or news. Now you just need to sell 8 - 10 per month to cover hosting costs and initial basic wage for a salesperson

Has anyone talked to Beitbart regarding this? Or are you just assuming they want to advertise here? Oh right, you're talking so far out of your ass it's a game of twister to keep from tasting shit.

Its so close but they do need an angel, but they could implement the banners today if there was a will to do it.

Putting a banner ad somewhere it easy. Finding someone willing to pay for the space is not.

SomewhatNeutral ago

Have at it. Don't know how to write software you say? Then maybe you should stop telling everyone how many people are needed and how long it will take for something you know nothing about.

Do you tell managers: "why don't you fucking learn $language?"

LostandFound ago

Used to run an ecom Web dev business lots of hands on time with long beards though my skills are less useful, now run a contact centre largely selling advertising spaces. Have you seen brietbarts website? they would buy ad space on your anus and flog jumpers from it. Selling highly targeted advertising with reliable user statistics is really really easy.

Trying to contribute from my experience, but cheers for taking a dump on the situation, perhaps they might change their mind on that ass you were offering them.

SkepticalMartian ago

This tells me you're little more than a stupid fag with zero industry experience trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about. If you did, you wouldn't be trying to make time and manpower estimates without looking at the code first.

LostandFound ago

Whats your issue goyim? Putt gave his estimations as he already looked into this, I know SFA about porting .NET

PuttItOut ago

Voat needs three things:

  1. We need full time staff (limited but some key positions need filled).
  2. We need to address our scalability issues as this is our number one issue technologically (we've made major improvements but we are nowhere where we need to be).
  3. We need to have operation costs taken care of.

Ideally I was hoping for a one year investment to see how far we can get and then reassess at that time on any future commitment.

Serious inquiries can always be sent to [email protected]

jhaluska ago

You need to focus on cost reduction instead of scalability.

aztek ago

You have bigger problems.

  1. You need an actual BUSINESS PLAN. Everything I've seen so far seems half assed. Good programmers don't always make good business people. Consider prioritizing someone who is willing to work out how to

  2. You need to find backers who don't care that you host racist, homophobic, and general hate speech. I have long since stopped giving a shit about what people say or how they say it much like everyone else here, but let's face it. That's going to be very hard to sell. Most advertisers won't want anything to do with that. I don't think you can survive on donations alone - most people would probably kick in a few bucks but I don't think many will make regular contributions.

  3. Solve the first two problems and all your other concerns mostly go away. I don't think you can solve the first two problems without significantly changing what makes Voat what it is. I'd be very surprised if Voat is around much longer.

Puttitout_Is_Fat ago

Voat needs three things: the removal of you criminal paid shills, here's a list of the main abusers to be removed the placement of good free-speech honoring people in voat's leadership once you and your cabal are gone, and a return to the transparency, no-censorship, no-behavioral-manipulation, community-participates-in-direction-building voat that it used to be before you shills took over.

ilovepussy ago

I've sent you an email in response.

Donbuster ago

Putt. In regards to the scaleability issues, there is considerable technological know-how on this site. I'm currently in the process of herding some cats goats into looking at the existing git repo, and seeing if we can rebuild your stack in a manner that readies the site for moving off azure onto cheaper platforms. We would appreciate any insight you might have https://voat.co/v/SavingVoat/1866511

Omnipresent ago

The git repository for this site? You mean this one? https://github.com/voat/voat

Donbuster ago

There is a more recent one

https://github.com/voat/voat/tree/Dev

but yes

lbruiser ago

Someone else suggested Goat Horns in place of Gold. I'm down with that.

cynicaloldfart ago

know you're as hard as a rock right now, but FOR ONCE, show a little decency and just stay out of this.

JuiceTown ago

does this mean I'm not getting a Winnebago?

Fiveish ago

Where do you suggest we go sane? Where is better than here?

Gnatsunami ago

He just knows there has to be a place but many of them require you to be at least 18 years old.

Stavon ago

That's why putts posts this 2 days before voten.co got to public beta. The grass is greener there now.

Mick ago

So here we are, after nearly two years, me agreeing with hecho.

Take your schizo meds, @Grifter42.

MetalAegis ago

how does one go about setting up a repeat donation?

9139373? ago

Personally I'm not aware of any way and I'm not sure de la Paz was implying there was; just manually donating once a month is an easy thing to do, though. A manual repeating / monthly donation.

EDIT Se de la Paz's reply: it is possible.

Umrtvovacz ago

Contact your favourite free speech youtuber on patreon and ask them to make a video about Voat. I will do so, nothing to lose.

MetalAegis ago

I donated 25 bucks, its the best I can do right now.

Tipman79 ago

sanegoat made everyone too aware of the test,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

baneofretail ago

V/Goats4Voat subscribe and comment to receive monthly reminders to donate

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NinjaPoolboy ago

Get postnatally woke

9139208? ago

You wish.

Rotteuxx ago

At least this shill cares for Voat.

Fuck you buddy ol'boy !

MetalAegis ago

Love me some super male vitality.

PlasmaDistortion ago

Like a Goat.

Messmer_Messmer ago

So how can a person that has no access to a bitcoin type currency donate (I can't afford bitcoin!) ? I'm impressively poor but I use and enjoy this site daily and am more than happy to donate what I can.

9143938? ago

Besides bitcoin the only other option is credit cards. If you don't want to give out your information to donate, buy a pre-paid credit card at a convenient store. People have talked about that a bit today.

0011011000111001 ago

Would you guys be open to closing the community to new users? Would that even help the cost issue? I imagine it would reduce usage quite a bit and maybe we can weed out the sane goat army.

9139135? ago

This and 4chan are legit the only last bastion of free speeh. What will happen? I can't go back to reddit my cancer is already in remission.

LORD_SPARTACUS_1488 ago

Halfchan? You must be kidding me.

EllenPaosEgo ago

4chan.org/voat/ maybe

LostandFound ago

Get in contact with interserver some of the best vps / dedicated hosting rates I have encountered. Dont know about their background or affiliations though to be fair.

ShowMeYourKitties ago

@PuttItOut

What kind of azure features is voat using that is so expensive? Is it just the traffic and resource costs? Automatic load balancing? Database?

It would take work and some optimization but costs could potentially be cut by rolling out and managing our own infrastructure with a combination of SaltStack + HAProxy + Varnish and a shitload of cheap-ish windows servers (Vultr comes to mind, and has integrations with Salt cloud, leaving the possibility for easy auto-scaling to match load using salt reactor.)

0011011000111001 ago

The one time I agree with hecho...... today is a very interesting day.

9139081? ago

I'm a very fortunate lady and my wonderful husband takes great care of me. He's almost completely apolitical so he's happy I have an outlet and so long as I take care of the responsibilities around the house, he doesn't mind me hanging out on Voat. It actually makes the day go by really fast. I'll do a few chores or run some errands, drink some coffee and shitpost for a while, go fold the laundry and start another load, rinse and repeat. At the end of the night he likes to watch weird sci-fi shows and I'll just sit with him while shitposting as I have no interest in sci-fi. Husband, I know you lurk..thank you for being amazing. <3

TremorAcePV ago

You could sell anonymized user data. Not sure how much it'd be worth, or if you feel that'd go against Voat's principles. But as long as it's anonymized, I would think that's fine.

Having no idea about exactly how and what data is sold, I'm not sure if that'd ever be something even useful to do though.

PuttItOut ago

There is no way to do this as all comments are public, thus they can be deanonymized easily. We figured this out when we were trying to get test data to some contributors that were going to work on performance. In the end we couldn't do it, no way to keep user privacy in anon threads and other areas.

LostandFound ago

I suggest an immediate shutdown of all cpu and bandwith intensive activities. Pic/vid widgets scale back custom css, kill even thumbnails.

Are you using a safe CDN to assist with the heavy lifting?

Temporarily suspend stale subs

TELL us whats eating bandwith and cpu so we can modify our behaviour.

Please put a widget on all pages showing expected cost this month and donations this month. We will ensure this stays live.

Your number 1 goal needs to move from azure I have seen it sink businesses. We will accept closing voat for periods to save for dev time if it takes it.

Finally please think of an exit strategy dont just let this go bang, others can carry the torch if it comes to it. Thank you we will help you.

pangaea ago

I think it's a great idea to kill off inactive subs to save resources. If there hasn't been one submission or comment in the last 6 months, just delete the whole sub. If the admin wishes to keep their sub, they just have to make a submission before this happens.

I don't think custom CSS is a huge deal because the heavy lifting is done client side, making it no more intensive than hosting a long text post. For thumbnails it might also be possible to do them with client side code e.g. javascript to avoid putting load on the server.

lbruiser ago

Temporarily suspend stale subs

Any sub that hasn't has a post in 6 months should get this treatment. Hell a delete. That way when someone sees a sub doesn't "exist" they maybe able to revive it. I'd go as far as say user account that haven't been logged into over a year should also get deleted. That should at-least reduce database size.

LostandFound ago

I would love to know how much is cpu spend and how much is bandwith. Id say a site like this is pretty cpu intensive without massivly optimised DB structures.

Devious1 ago

We could always go looking for the illusive hard drive which got binned, current bit coin value $13,642,500 (today's market)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-25138627/quest-for-lost-hard-drive-with-4m-stored-bitcoins

Pawn ago

Maybe dont use Azure?

ChillyHellion ago

If Voat ever does close, I hope you still consider its limited existence an accomplishment. Voat has given a home and a voice to countless people for a few years now, and that's by no means a failure.

Dereliction ago

Let's not start humming funeral hymns just yet!

guinness2 ago

Voat has given a home and a voice to countless people for a few years now, and that's by no means a failure.

Also Voat has served as a contingency plan for ALL Reddit subs and a mechanism for constraining the fascist agenda of Reddit senior management.

I suspect few people fully appreciate that if Voat dies then /r/The_Donald will die and ((( political correct ))) censorship will silence all opposing views on "that other site"

If Voat dies then anything but Jew globalist narrative will die on Reddit too.

ChillyHellion ago

I don't disagree, but I expect if Voat closes then Reddit may see a sudden influx of former dissidents who are now organized and motivated and more difficult to deal with all at once.

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

What if Voat closes, and the Stormer loses to the jews in court? We all going to flood back into reddit? I'm kinda torn on this one. Would hate to lose either, but the triggering on reddit would be epic.

guinness2 ago

Agreed: I'm a fucking bastard and I submit to nobody!

SeptemberVirgin ago

I hope you still consider its limited existence an accomplishment.

Yeah, they set up a nice little project site that unfortunately got infested with roaches in the form of racists, fat people hate, pizza gate and every other type of vermin on the Internet.

I wouldn't even admit to anyone I ran this place. The next question will be is, "are you a racist or anti-semite? Why did you welcome and cater to the body-shamers? Sorry no, I don't think we need your skills here."

guinness2 ago

Don't take @SeptemberVirgin seriously, he and his alts are Shareblue faggots:

What a faggot!

Mick ago

You have been one of Voat's great contributors, thank you for all the things you've shared :)

ChillyHellion ago

Pleasure's mine, thanks Mick!

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

rip

9139429? ago

We have to keep it alive! For Chilly!

gardella ago

Well I added a drop to the ocean have a ten spot.

9138991? ago

LOL, I'm going to get a pre-paid visa this afternoon and donate, too. Donate and pray. You're kind of an asshole, btw

cynicaloldfart ago

I asked Putt about doing just that in another sticky and he said using pre-paids wasn't viable. Have you found a way to do this? If so, then also pm @Cynabuns also, as we have been discussing this.

9139449? ago

I'm going shopping now and am going to pick up a $25 pre-paid Visa while out. I'll let you know this evening if the payment was accepted or not.

Cynabuns ago

For sure do let me know - thanks :)

cynicaloldfart ago

Where are you going to send the info of the card?

Altbottom_Leaf ago

You might get hate for this Puttitout but you should really look into getting Google ads or just some real ads in general. Voat with ads is much better than no Voat at all, and those of us who don't like the ads can just use adblockers. I don't see the reality of getting 6000 a month on donations alone.

PuttItOut ago

Voat needs an influx of capital to get us through another year, with staff, so we can build out our site and revenue opportunities. This is the only way we see Voat becoming something.

FIADSH ago

Do a patreon!
I don't do bitcoin, so that's the only way I can support this critter.
And like others have said, sell promotional stuff, key chains, tee-shirts etc.
The thing is that the user base is big enough that operating costs, plus money for
expansion / rainy days should be able to be covered without too much mating of
elephants.

lbruiser ago

Do a patreon!

Apparently we violate TOS with Patreon. You could setup a monthly reminder to donate as an alternative.

FIADSH ago

So, can you donate without your true name being connected with your user name?
And I don't do bitcoin... DAMN IT.....
Oh well, I'm old anyway....

lbruiser ago

Yes, you have to use your real name during checkout, but you don't have to put your username in.

FIADSH ago

OK, thanks

pushthis ago

Wish there was an app i could host a portion of the site.

PuttItOut ago

Distribution of data and processing was always something we were interested in evolving into. We just have so many basic things that we have yet to do and no money or time.

pushthis ago

Maybe the site could he handled like git idk.. Thank you for the responce if i strike a brillant idea willpost

Tyty

0011011000111001 ago

I guess the question everyone wants to know..

What next?

What do you plan on doing to resolve this issue other than cutting back on server resources?

I saw a comment about asking a celebrity for donations and support.

9138908? ago

Good on you, goat. Let's all work together to keep Voat afloat.

SaveTheChildren ago

Oh oh, where are all the shills going to go? @empress will you still be able to feed yourself?

theoldguy ago

Shuddup, you've already put your two cents in above as your shill sanegoat alt.

SaveTheChiIdren ago

I'm mad homo and get off on traps!!!

R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago

Voat needs a gofundme page and/or a billionaire backer. You can fight or you can fold. To fight you need to fight via gorilla media with meme warfare. Spam reddit, failbook, CL with PG memes with links to funding site. You are going to have to think outside the box to get this done.

Riva ago

What kind of monthly membership would come close to covering this cost? Of the 'literally doezens' of us, are we talking $10 dollars per month per active member? $100 dollars? Give us a number. I wouldn't mind setting up a recuring subscripton to keep this place free speech (And make sure someone doesn't come in and say hey, we own you now, take those down - cuz that's what's going to happen when a single entity owns this.).

But srsly, if the math doesn't work out, delete this thread, put the site up for sale on empire flippers and get your money back (as much as you can). There are peopel who would kill for this much ready made traffic, even if it is full of us goats.

9138901? ago

If every active member paid $10/month that would be WAY MORE than enough. Way more.

More realistically, if a small minority of the active members paid $5/month ($10 if you can afford it) that would cover things nicely.

If every active member was donating monthly the necessary payment would be less than a dollar each. That will never happen, though, which is why persuading people to donate $5 or $10 a month is ideal.

baneofretail ago

How do I get set up for recurring payments of 10 bucks per month?

9139658? ago

I'm not sure there is a way to pay any amount monthly automatically, but if you click on the donate button in the sidebar you can pay whatever amount you desire, and subscribing to the newly created /v/Goats4Voat will send you out reminders each month.

Riva ago

Why not just charge a 1USD membership fee? I'd gladly pay.

9139009? ago

I would as well. The problem with mandatory memberships is the majority of people would refuse to pay, either because of financial issues or (more prominently) a hesitancy or refusal to pay with (non-anonymous) credit card.

Better is to persuade people to pay the $5 or $10 a month if they can afford it. I know many of us can. Pursuing anonymous ways to pay would help out a lot I'm sure, but the problem is PayPal can't be trusted as history has shown, and bitcoin is tough to use.

I think Patreon would be feasible.

Riva ago

Or, we can open temporary membership.. That gives some advantages like Reddit good. I was paying 2.99 per month for Reddit because I used it a lot. I'd love to do that here as well. We can have a free tier, but offer a membership as well. Make the 'regular' membership accessible to everyone and give some advantage. This also protects against a single big investor coming in to buy the place because we can't afford it.

9139175? ago

Pre-paid credit cards work.

9139630? ago

Thank you!!! That's good to know. Will be picking up a pre-paid card to donate tomorrow and I will make it a point to pay my Voat fees once a month. More than worth it to keep this site going.

9139278? ago

That's certainly something for people to consider if no new system is implemented immediately and people want that assured anonymity.

OricaTonithos ago

Sent $50 your way.

There are levels of survival I'm willing to accept, if it comes to that.

9138918? ago

Thank you, goat of all goats.

Would a smaller amount of $5 or $10 monthly be feasible for you? Those small monthly donations, among many of us, add up quickly.

DabbaDan ago

Gotta get a subscription model going. I've been a part of subscription based forums and they're always awesome. One, keeps the riff raff out. Two, self sufficient (-ish) . There's more, I'll get to it when my dumb dumb head clears a bit. It was a rough day.

Anywho, yeah, subscriptions. Or Patreon. I'll sign up on a Patreon.

Broc_Lia ago

Shit, good point actually. It'd shut down the Sanegoats and amaleks.

I'd be in favour of allowing "trial period" accounts where you can post for free for up six months. But subscribers can choose to hide all comments from such accounts.

DabbaDan ago

Hell yeah, sign me up.

dontforgetaboutevil ago

We all knew this was coming. There's no room for freedom of speech in a decadent and decaying world.

SpectralForces ago

I can send some ghouls out on a money run................they came back with some pocket lent and a paper bag. I swear they don't understand half the shit I tell them to do. Guess we gotta chip in ourselves.

234234242 ago

maybe you can"consult" @puttitout ?

you see kevdude, im over this. Im tired of voats hive mind. your /v/protectvoat is cancer

https:// discord.gg/Ye7by

sensitive ago

Mod from v/pizzagate here. We want to run a donation campaign among our 13,000+ users, but would need more info first. DM welcome.

Cynabuns ago

You could just make a post and sticky it, providing a link to this Announcement post and a link to the site's donation page, https://store.voat.co/donations :)

Lietuvis ago

Open a Patreon

lbruiser ago

We apparently violate TOS.

Lietuvis ago

Oh...ok

Grifter42 ago

Hey, Putt, why didn't you respond to my PM? I sent you a PM about how Beatle was conspiring to get Hecho to flood my inbox with CP.

http://archive.is/5tcQz

You did nothing.

Is it because you're part of SBBH yourself? You sure tend to ignore what they do. They're basically the exact same as SRS, and Spez was in on that. I wonder if there is a similar situation going on here.

Judging by the posts that have been brigaded to the bottom of this thread, I'm inclined to think you are.

In B4 being accused of being Sane by you.

PuttItOut ago

I'm not in on any collusion, and deep down inside you know it.

I talk to only a few people on Voat regularly and all my conversations are centered around Voat technically or these peoples' personal lives because they have become my friends.

When you say SBBH I think of @Mick, whom was with me from the beginning, and then I think of @Mick being SRS and I cry from laughing so hard.

Grifter42 ago

Why didn't you answer the question?

What Beatle is suggesting is conspiracy to distribute child pornography, and he implies that he and Hecho have done it before.

Beatle is also Fake Sane, and you refuse to cut the head off the body in that regards. You know it's ban evasion, and you do jack shit.

Mick is your friend, then you're compromised. That really explains a lot about the whole situation.

And it explains why you have left the brigade squads to their devices.

9138819? ago

I agree this and many other things going on are issues in need of consideration, but none of that will matter if Voat closes down, no?

Our absolute prime issue of focus right now is funding.

Can you spare $5/month?

9138763? ago

Ok people hold on I get this, operation outjewjews hope

You make a shit video, like fucking shit no time spent for a start (you can do quality eventually but then it's longer and chances are it will be shit nobody gives a fuck about anyway), as in, idk, a freaking chiptune with a crappy gif for 10 mins, and you upload it on youtube, and you run a fucking ad revenue program shit like pewdiepiped does

And you put that gaddamn shit vid on the front page so we can't forget to watch that stupid shit at least once in a day per user

...

We don't hand you money, we hand you views for your shit youtube channel so youtube hands you money in return through the ads revenue program

@PuttItOut

9138835? ago

YouTube has seen an AdPocalypse. Trying to go through YouTube to get funding, especially where Voat has the views on freedom and having your say that it does, is just foolish at this point, unfortunately.

9138929? ago

What about asking pewdiepew for sponsorhsip ?

He's a millionaire for fuck sakes, 6000 bucks is a fart in the wind for him

Operation nazi shield

He gets featured on voat's front page

9139052? ago

What about asking pewdiepew for sponsorship ?

1) I doubt he'd care to support us, 2) he spends all his time nowadays complaining about how his videos were demonetizied and he isn't making any money. He may have millions but he wants more, for himself not obscure websites.

BloatedVoatGoat ago

Setup a referral link program that people can online shop through so you get kickbacks. If every loyal member shopped through​ click throughs/referrals yoy will get hundreds if not thousands per month. Start with Amazon, Walmart Ebay ect... The big fish that get the most traffic.

GuyRomaine ago

Voat needs a manager. You're doing a top notch job, but If even you have admitted that you lack the business experience to be able to develop a sustainability strategy for core operations the wisest thing you could do is find someone(s) to augment your weaknesses. I wouldn't be trading partnership in your investment quite yet though, so maybe be looking at a sales staff on commission. As far as adds go you need to be pumping that hard. You have a readership that easily outnumbers any of your local print media and they sell adds no problem. Adds are also a two way street. You sell adds, but the people who buy the adds are back home selling you to their customers. Just my ten cents, and since my two cents is free I'm going to need about eight cents. Not right now, but you know, after you get this all sorted out. ;)

Thanks for your hard work man, sincerely.

PuttItOut ago

There is no doubt that I fall short on many things a business like Voat needs to make it, no question about it.

If Voat gets funded, my weaknesses will be filled immediately.

Michael_Obama ago

begging for donations. Nice bullshit story

0011011000111001 ago

Fuck off.

If this was any other community you'd be banned in a heartbeat.

Michael_Obama ago

i;ve been banned for countering SBBH brigades. The admins pick sides and despite what it looks like, it ain't the genuine users side. This site is basically an experiment.

But i like that you immediately think of censorship. Fitting with how voat is nowadays.

Tallest_Skil ago

Good luck finding anyone who isn't jewish. You'll sell out at the drop of a hat.

Umrtvovacz ago

So I have finally manned up and donated. Even though it's just a ten dollars... I will try to do so every month.

I do plan to buy an add eventually, please don't shut down till then.

9138849? ago

If you can't afford $10/month try just $5/month.

Thank you so much, it makes all the difference.

Umrtvovacz ago

I can afford it don't worry :-D

Slayfire122 ago

One thing that might help is to reduce the cost of purchasing an ad to $20 and run two or three ads a day. This makes it more reasonable for users purchase ads like when they first became available. I know this wouldn't be $6,000, but it would likely be a lot more significant.

Reddit_traitor ago

@PuttItOut your bitcoin donation link is dead.

EdSnowden ago

Why on earth is hosting cost so high? There's no way it should be costing anywhere near that.

9138876? ago

Voat hosts an absurd amount of content and Voat no longer has support from any start-up grants, no corporate deals or investors.

There are definitely ways to reduce these costs, however, and Putt intends to do so. It will affect our user experience, though.

Cynabuns ago

https://store.voat.co/donations

*Edit to add that Putts has updated bitcoin address, as found on front page New Bitcoin Wallet Address: 1PhBpbED6uEnrvy5s9F9axBZbK8fWAeZdc

Let's help keep our Voatie Goat going until that angel comes along

K400 ago

Can you point out where on front page, i can't find the damn thing. (edit: bitcoin wallet)

Cynabuns ago

Lower right sidebar, or hamburger menu button on mobiles

K400 ago

Got it, thanks!

glugglug ago

This should be added to the top message.

Also, if some actual merchandise (T-shirts, etc) was added to the store I bet it would sell like crazy.

OzarkMountainMan ago

Contact that dangerous faggot jew, he is supposed to have 12 million bucks to start a media empire.

Fibbideh ago

That's a 1 month old account there, buddy

Alt, or lost your other account?

gauss_markov ago

burner accts for dox prevention

9138673? ago

I’ve given up golf which was my passion

This almost made me cry.

Last month was our first non-discounted month on Azure and the usage was $6,600.90 USD.

I feared this was the case. It's been a while since we've seen actual figures, and this is in fact worse than last time we knew the total.

I’m writing this announcement to prepare this community, and the Voat family, for the possibility of a closure.

Oh shit.

I will soon be scaling back all Voat’s servers by at least 50%

Do this and more if you can. Do whatever must be done. Almost $7000/mo is not going to be easy for us to accommodate. We've done dents in the last but simply not enough of us donate to meet those requirements.

In a year or two's time I should have a job as an engineer and when that day comes I plan to substantially up my monthly contribution to this website. It obviously won't be enough to change anything, alone.

Goats, we desperately need more people to donate, and not just once, but monthly. You have no idea what we could do if enough of us donated only $5 a month. I donate $10 every month. Please, if you have a job, can afford the small investment, and care about freedom of speech, donate monthly to Voat

z_impaler ago

What is the user population on Voat??

9156956? ago

It's higher today than it was last week. Major migration from the_donald today.

z_impaler ago

What happened? I've been busy most of the week and haven't been keeping up with things.

9161743? ago

This post was the top sticky today: http://archive.is/bsshT

9151895? ago

I'm not certain though I think there was a semi-recent report of at least hundreds of thousands of unique monthly visitors. Could be wrong.

suramartian ago

Crying? Over golf? Come on now, that's an upper class sport.

9141106? ago

You're right, I must maintain my dignity and class!

suramartian ago

those are good animals

ThePedoHunter ago

Please tell us the process - step by step - for setting up a recurring payment to voat. Break it down like your talking to an idiot.

9141274? ago

You may want to ignore my other reply: There is actually an option in the Voat Store for donating $5 every month for a year. If you want to donate more than $5 each month, purchase this option multiple times.

9140962? ago

I don't think you can automate it at this time. However all you have to do is click on the donate button (or click the link within the donate word I just wrote), add whatever amount to your cart you want to pay each month ("Donate $10", "Donate $5", or more if you're that awesome) and then click check out. This method requires a credit card (though prepaid, and therefore anonymous credit cards will work). Complete your purchase with credit card.

Do this process each month to help us all keep Voat running. Subscribe to the newly created /v/Goats4Voat to get monthly reminders.

Thanks so much for considering contributing financially.

If the credit card bit bothers you there is also an option for bitcoins (though someone mentioned that link might be dead?) Putt will fix that I suspect soon. You'll have to ask someone else about that process though if you're interested.

catslovejustice ago

PeaceSeeker, I need you to break it down further. I tried doing what you said and not wanting to give my email info I tried to check out as a guest and it asked me for all of my personal information (name address etc). I could not figure out how to just donate anonymously. Please advise.

9179767? ago

Right, the "checkout as guest" is the first step to avoid using email etc. This is a post outlining how to donate with a pre-paid card once you've purchased one somewhere. As I understand it it should not require any personal information. You might have to register a zip code as the thread describes, but that should be all.

It might also have to do with the Gift Card section of the donate page, but I'm uncertain. Sorry if this is not helpful enough.

PuttItOut ago

I always appreciate your comments my friend. Even though I often don't say it, you've bumped me out of a slump or two with some of your words.

Puttitout_Lies ago

You do not deserve this site, you criminal shills. Remove yourself from Voat permanently, and take the cabal of shills with you. You are a disgrace to devs everywhere, and ought be ashamed of how you've destroyed Voat.

MadWorld ago

Is it possible for you to estimate the average number of people who donated per month in the past and calculate the minimal amount of donation for each person to cover up the cost? If the number of donors is in thousands, then $10 monthly donation should cover the cost.

Also, would you consider switching to linux servers?

Edit: could you add a $10 monthly donation option there? I would like to subscript this and see if that would be enough down the road. Thank you!

9141838? ago

Donate $5 a month for a year.

Buy two of those to donate $10/month for a year.

If you do this let me know so I can add you to a thread I'm making.

MadWorld ago

Great! Will do that as soon as I get a convenient time. Thanks!

9141999? ago

Awesome, thanks! I'll add you to the thread.

MadWorld ago

It's done!! It would be nice to see a summary so we will know if this is enough to cover the cost and what else needs to be done. Also I wouldn't mind purchasing Voat's merchandise.
Thank you Voat!

DabbaDan ago

Can you do some kind of Patreon thing? I'd be more than happy to sign up for, say, $10-20 a month, recurring. I just don't want to give you my credit card info, y'see :) Plus, too retarded to deal with bitcoins.

Middle man me and I'll be more than happy to throw you some bones.

salvia_d ago

100%, this. Start a Patreon page. Why haven't you guys done this yet? You will easily raise enough plus some to cover expansion. Please set up a Patreon Page.

DabbaDan ago

From what I've gathered, Patreon won't touch Voat for much the same reasons PayPal won't. i.e., Free Speech! Well, not that Free, a little less Free please.

salvia_d ago

I haven't heard of anyone not being able to set up a Patreon page if they wanted to. If The Corbett Report is allowed to I'm sure VOAT will be too, but I guess we would need confirmation from the admins.

DabbaDan ago

Here's hoping. Cause I tell you what, they set up a Patreon and I'm there.

salvia_d ago

Me too.

9141823? ago

Pre-paid credit cards that you can buy at the gas station or WalMart work fine, totally anonymous. A trip to the gas station once a month to keep Voat alive is worth it, right?

Let me know if you want to pledge any amount every month so I can add you to a thread documenting all monthly pledges. Also subscribe to /v/Goats4Voat for monthly reminders.

DabbaDan ago

Yeah, I'm gonna jump on this. Owe it that much. Badges are unnecessary, alts don't last long before a new one comes out. Just the way I do.

9142017? ago

Great! Let me know if you know the minimum amount you'll intend to donate each month and I'll add you to this thread.

9139235? ago

That was always my hope and my intention. I've said my times that you (and Atko, when he was here) are a modern hero, absolutely fundamental and necessary to the cause of freedom of speech in this world, and I've always meant it. I know how much you have dedicated and sacrificed towards this, and I see no other explanation beyond a morality the likes of which no website of this nature has ever seen at the admin level. This is a rough spot in Voat's history but I know we'll find some way of overcoming it, like every time in the past.

I never knew you had to give up golf.

9138841? ago

We love you, Putt. <3

Puttitout_Lies ago

Confirmed criminal shill sucking the balls of another confirmed criminal shill.

AOU ago

I would invest without hesitation, if only I haven't had to support my family.

Best thing I have been able to do is reporting all these resource hungry spammers with all the other great voaters at RS.

9141183? ago

You do good work.

Owlchemy ago

Same here, and attempt to add decent content to hopefully attract more. It's all a sad situation. If only we could twist the zillion spammers arms and talk them into buying ads instead of trying to cheat the system, we'd be fine. But unfortunately, that will never happen.

Cynabuns ago

You are another of the spam ninja's who help to make my job that much easier - thank you Owly :)

Owlchemy ago

Sad times. I hate to see this place go, I've invested time, and hopefully decent content and have always tried my best to be a contributor, but alas, financially, I can't do more ... so I try in other ways as do many of the Great Goats I've met here do. It's really a shame because those who have put all their effort into destroying this place are the only winners. I've seen so many good people pushed away because of stupidity of our 'children and village idiots' that it truly pisses me off. But what can you do, it is what it is and I'll hang in here and keep plugging away, as best I can, but a dark cloud seems upon us.

Cynabuns ago

Let's all keep pushing away in the different ways that we can each help, whether it's a buck or two now and again, or reporting spammers or submitting content. We all win when Voat wins :)

Owlchemy ago

That's my theory, too ... take care!

AOU ago

But unfortunately, that will never happen.

I had a few spammers buying ads (their domains showed up in the sidebar). ^_^

Owlchemy ago

Great. I try to tell them to buy ads often myself, but more often than not am ignored or they swear they aren't even spamming. The whole spam battle thing seems endless after awhile, but you and I keep plugging away ... we do what we can do.

AOU ago

Catching them in /all a few seconds after they submitted their spam is the most efficient thing to do. If only putt would give the ban hammer to someone trustworthy (e.g @cynabuns), we could get them out pretty much instantly. They would end up spamming voat seeing it doesn't bring any traffic to their spam domains.

Owlchemy ago

I thought that was a great idea when you first proposed it awhile back ... and it would be effective. But we may now be past the point where any of this matters, I'm afraid. But I'll keep up the fight until they turn out the lights, as will many of the other good guys in our midst.

AOU ago

I'll keep up the fight until they turn out the lights

Count me in.

PuttItOut ago

Yeah and it's been a huge help to @Cynabuns. We each contribute in our own ways.

Cynabuns ago

So true - @AOU, you've been invaluable, thank you.

AOU ago

I wish I could do more :(

234234242 ago

why the fuck would I add funds just to get brigades after me.

you have failed voat.

just open to advertising. you will not get one dime from me.

PuttItOut ago

I should deed Voat over to you. How does $1 sound? Good luck with Sane, FakeSane et al.

Grifter42 ago

Yeaaaah. Everyone's Sane, if they're critical of you. You let the site get taken over by SBBH and this is what you get for it.

9138947? ago

Sane has the same talking points, an acquired obsession with alts, and a notable style. It's not absurd to suggest these accounts stirring up shit at a time like this (as Sane was always wont to do) are Sane.

Grifter42 ago

Sane types like a crazy person, and almost never on topics that it's relevant.

It's not unreasonable to be suspicious of this site being compromised by SRS-types, when that exact same thing happened on Reddit, and there isn't really anything to prevent it from happening here. That, and the brigading of anyone slightly critical of him down to negative ten points in about two minutes doesn't inspire confidence either.

9139317? ago

That, and the brigading of anyone slightly critical of him down to negative ten points in about two minutes doesn't inspire confidence either.

Or maybe the Voat userbase at large supports Putt and all he has done and has little patience for dipshits bent on insulting him at every turn.

Grifter42 ago

What has he done? Seems like he's been asleep at the wheel, letting SBBH run rampant.

I told you they would run this site into the ground.

9139628? ago

As if brigaders and "narrative manipulators", if they even existed, have anything to do with financial trauma.

234234242 ago

I should deed Voat over to you. How does $1 sound? Good luck with Sane, FakeSane et al.

SURE, I'LL JUST SHUT IT DOWN

9138956? ago

SURE, I'LL JUST SHUT IT DOWN

The fact that this is your attitude towards the platform you've spent so much time criticizing is very, very telling.

234234242 ago

retards who cant understand sarcasm is a cancer onto voat.

im the iron fist

https:// discord.gg/Ye7by

Jimbonez_Jonez ago

You pretty much spit in his face and then when people say 'what the fuck' you claim it was just a joke. But we all saw it wasn't a joke. IF that really was a joke from the get-go, you need to learn better jokes. Because you fucking stink at them.

234234242 ago

You pretty much spit in his face and then when people say 'what the fuck' you claim it was just a joke. But we all saw it wasn't a joke. IF that really was a joke from the get-go, you need to learn better jokes. Because you fucking stink at them.

no, you are trying to demonize me. im simply speak the truth. You see im alpha. you are retarded. im the iron fist. simply follow this link if you'd like converse further.https:// discord.gg/Ye7by

im sure voat has well over 20k dollars by now

Jimbonez_Jonez ago

Demons are cool. I wouldn't demonize you because that would make you cool in my mind. I'm just calling you out for shit, non-jokes. I don't know who you are and I definitely don't have any opinion on you other than I believe you talk a much bigger game on your keyboard than you ever would with your mouth. I know for a fact I'm taller than you so you now know that I'm actually the alpha. It works like that.

I'm also not clicking your malware infested link. I'm right here. And I hope Voat has over 40K by now. I love this place and get along with most people of the people on here. It's all of you paranoid fuckers that ruin this place with your bizarre sides/factions/I-don't-know-what-to-call-them-they're-fucking-ridiuclous-and-cringy.

234234242 ago

fake news

ps.

im the iron fist

Jimbonez_Jonez ago

I think you mean you take the iron fist you fag.

234234242 ago

you see im none of them, im not alone.

I do not want to see this site shut down. But clearly you need to step up the plate.

again, im not going to give a dime to this site, its actually comical.

im the iron fist

https:// discord.gg/Ye7by

Umrtvovacz ago

Go fuck yourself then. Fuck people who take and never give. You are cancer.

middle_path ago

Could you reach out to very free speech celebrities? Joe Rogan, hell.... Donald Trump? Surely some celebrity or millionaire would love to invest in a free speech platform.

Magaman ago

Try Robert Mercer

SeptemberVirgin ago

hell.... Donald Trump?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He should be more worried about not going to prison or being executed for treason right now.

Don't you people watch the news?

middle_path ago

Please tell me what he did that was treasonous.

SeptemberVirgin ago

Leaking highly classified information to the enemy for one. Being elected by working on collusion with them to undermine his rival.

Trump will be impeached and found guilty. I hope they give him the death penalty.

middle_path ago

Jesus, kid. Where do you think you are?

1WinfieldBlue ago

I would second giving Rogan a go.

HashTagFU ago

Joe Rogan makes money on his podcast. I doubt he's going to give money to keep voat alive. I think somebody got to Joe just based on the guests he has on. Half of them are shilling books or whatnot.

middle_path ago

God forbid people sell books! A lot of his guests are pretty fringe.

HashTagFU ago

You can't act like your show is organic and just friends and interesting people talking when you shill for someone with a new book, work out regimen, whatever. There are far too many really interesting podcasts that aren't trying to sell me shit.

That said, he's free to do whatever he wants, as am I. Fringe or not, if they're trying to sell me their garbage I turn it off. When someone like Jordan Peterson is on, I listen. The. days of captive audiences are over.

middle_path ago

And as we are discovering with voat, there's no such thing as free lunch. Joe has sponsors, that's how he's kept the thing running. Sometimes he shills them, sometimes he doesn't. I don't care because the content of the podcasts keeps it interesting.

HashTagFU ago

Joe is already wealthy. He doesn't need income from his podcast to live. I don't begrudge him making bank on his podcast but I won't listen when he's shilling for some new book by a also ran author.

I don't care because the content of the podcasts keeps it interesting.

So you consider every podcast to be as interesting as every other? You're in luck : my grass is growing. You're welcome to entertain yourself by watching it happen.

middle_path ago

So you consider every podcast to be as interesting as every other? You're in luck : my grass is growing. You're welcome to entertain yourself by watching it happen.

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HashTagFU ago

REEEEEEEE I like everything and you don't. I'M AN AUTIST!!! I CAN"T DEAL WITH CONFLICT!!!!

See how easy that is middle_path? You're handle belies your attitude, lol.

suramartian ago

That's the last thing we need, he'll push the racemixing/gay agenda all over the site.

Mr_Dusk ago

free speech motherfucker. There is no agenda. We're all upset at the censorship to not offend delicate special little snowflakes. It is what Voat's for afterall.

maaaaa ago

Nope.

Stavon ago

Being financially dependent on a celebrity is the opposite of free speech.

middle_path ago

Well, no it's not if they support free speech. And if we don't get money, we perish and there is no platform.

Stavon ago

They why do you mention a politician in power. One who said he wanted to limit freedom of press.

A platform dependent on a government is a propaganda outlet not a free speech platform.

middle_path ago

The donation could come from Trump's businesses and not the government.

I'm just brainstorming, all you're doing is bitching. What's your solution?

Stavon ago

The donation could come from Trump's businesses and not the government.

The effect would be the same.

What's your solution?

I admit I haven't come up with a good one yet. Shill accounts which can vote without CCP? It seems Voat has reach the hard point where it's go or fall; most fall, some quicker, some try to fight it, but there needs to be cash and integrity through some way. And with the current content of Voat, I don't think many VCs are interested.

cynicaloldfart ago

Slippery slope - "There's no such thing as a free lunch".

guinness2 ago

My cat disagrees: always has a full belly and still hates me.

WisDumb ago

I can relate !!!

suramartian ago

The whole "get a celebrity to fund it!" idea is dangerous as fuck. You're selling the speech parameters off to the highest bidder, you'll end up with a kosher site that's only slightly to the right of reddit.

middle_path ago

Then voat finds a way to generate revenue. I really wouldn't care if free speech was supported.

Datawych ago

It wouldn't be the first time Trump fucking hooked someone with financial problems up.

MRSMSMomma ago

Tap Don Jr or Eric. Tag them shamelessly.

nigger_plz ago

I'm sure the MSM is already working up their next story line. "Trump buys nigger hating company."

PuttItOut ago

Honestly this is my next plan of action. The Hail Mary.

ReactTM ago

Why don't you guys make a funding page with a progress bar for the amount of money you need every month? Leave a link to it in the footer and a little mini bar.

edblings ago

if not implement a 'voat goald' type deal, you should at the very least implement the financial goal bar in the donations page so people can see how close we are getting, which might sway people that normally wouldn't donate, since they would see the real effort

guinness2 ago

Alex Jones at InfoWars.com

Hipsterrr ago

try it man. that sort of thing might actually help voat

HuginnOgMuninn ago

Kim Dotcom...

Linux advice/help, hosting/hosting advice, powerful ally/angel/coder.

KIM DOTCOM...... START A TWITTER BLITZ

sakuramboo ago

Milo just got 12 million to start his media company.

psymin ago

Did he really get the 12 million? There is a theory that it is all smoke.

ShineShooter ago

But that's degenerate!

optionalfrank ago

Hehe

sound_of_silence ago

Putt.. i've wanted to give voat $100 so many times.. but the rampant and un-addressed user silencing and censorship deters me every time. IF you guys fix what is really wrong i'm sure you would never be in this kind of do or die crunch again... please think about it. @Atko

William_Wallace ago

James Woods seems based AF, ask him

BestDuckEver ago

I'd be totally down with a James Woods Day in celebration of him if he so agreed.

Also, awesome user name. Down with Longshanks!

William_Wallace ago

Agreed and thanks

Millstone ago

I was just about to suggest James Woods.

middle_path ago

Honestly, I don't think it could hurt to reach out to wiki leaks either.

Mr_Dusk ago

dont forget the credibility of wikileaks is still in question with the whole assange situation.

fagnig ago

Chuck C Johnson could host a crowdfunding/patreon type deal? https://www.wesearchr.com/

JesusRules ago

Charge a monthly fee?

baneofretail ago

So let's call it 7000 per month in operating and growth. I think we have 1000 dedicated voat users. This means 7 bucks a month on a recurring basis.

Can we get 1000 users who use voat alot but don't necessarily contribute to subscribe and pitch in 7 bucks a month?

It's less than the cost of a starbeetus drink.

Count me in for at least 10 per month to assist in defraying costs going forward.

MadWorld ago

I think it is doable, check this out! @PeaceSeeker is doing an ongoing summary!

9143352? ago

We've got 1/11 of the costs per month covered with only 27 users documented!

We need to track down all those undocumented donators!

And that 1/11 fraction is in reference to the $6600/month value Putt stated; this value will likely decrease after he makes some changes. We are well on our way!

crazy_eyes ago

I'd subscribe

baneofretail ago

Just donated. No option to subscribe for reaccuring charges, but I will make a reminder to donate once a month for 10 bucks per month. I encourage other goats to do the same.

I'm not a power submitter, but I would hate to lose the sense of community that we have here.

Umrtvovacz ago

I have done the same. And 10 dollars is much more for an eastern european :-D

9138629? ago

Well, one of us could probably win the lottery some time soon?

JesusRules ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I will donate

9138620? ago

@PuttItOut

Ask for an infowars sponsorship, in exchange we get to see alex jones face everyday

on a fucking banner right there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

CptMacaroni ago

Alex Jones is the face of American obesity and a mid life crises.

LOLZebra ago

I would love this.

brbpierogies ago

How I would love to see that face here!

novictim ago

I whole heartedly support that!

Rainy-Day-Dream ago

water filter merchants ftw

OhSnapYouGotServed ago

Can it be the pic of him riding a horse shirtless?

fr33europe ago

Infowars would never go along with that. We're too toxic for them.

9146413? ago

probably

9145761? ago

@puttitout Asking the Silicon Valley VC Peter Thiel for money is probably best. He's a hardcore libertarian who donates hugely to Trump, and he loves funding founders with libertarian ideals. This guy is a super billionaire and he's exactly what you're looking for, Putt.

guinness2 ago

I just sent Alex Jones a message through the infowars.com web-page, letting him know and I hope other users do the same.

Gnatsunami ago

I like the idea but I feel like the open use of words like nigger, and niggery, and nigger ass nigger, and niggerface, and comma nigger, and nigger juice, and niggery nig niggery nigger nig, and Jew nigger might forever keep even these types of people from supporting Voat. Fucking niggers. I could be wrong though. I've been know to nigger on occasion.

suramartian ago

I will no longer be interested in voat if censorship is enacted

Donbuster ago

and this............ is how we become reddit. We can't take support from a partisan outlet without starting down the same road of making the site more appealing to that outlet and its agenda. Voat's defining characteristic is its commitment to free speech. So we need to partner with an organization that exists to protect free speech.

9144526? ago

Why can't we just take the money and run away from them the moment they try to change things

99% sure they wouldn't try to change things in the beginning, only after a little while

suramartian ago

no such thing as an organization without an agenda

anyone willing to pay is buying the rights to voat's speech parameters

Donbuster ago

Exactly. The way to keep voat what it is, however, is to find one which will never back down on its commitment to free speech. I'm currently writing an email to ReportersWithoutBorders. I think our best bet is an organization who's founding goal is the furthering of free speech. Such an entity would not suppress our free speech, for the simple reason that our goals align.

The day Breitbart or InfoWars or Huffpo or any other such heavily agendad organization that would willingly tread on our free speech to push its agenda enters into any kind of formal arrangement with voat beyond the buying of adspace is the day I leave this site for good.

suramartian ago

Who funds reporterswithoutborders?

Donbuster ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Funding

Its a mix, but the fact of the matter is, their mission is to prevent infringement on free speech, both by funding and providing legal advice for outlets and journalists acting under oppressive regimes, and to ensure that legislation protecting freedom of expression is upheld where it exists. In the past it has willingly acted in ways that angered major funding sources, all in the name of ensuring accountability when it comes to free speech. Their largest form of donor funding, at around 17% comes from corporate, and the backers there run through most of the political spectrum. Are they perfect? No. Are they much bigger than most organizations of this type? yes. Will they infringe upon Voat's freedom of speech? Not likely. Hell, they give journalists in war zones Kevlar so that they can continue investigating; A little racially charged internet argument is nothing to them.

pangaea ago

I'd be ok with them purchasing advertising but I don't want to do anything to alienate the less political enclaves of Voat.

suramartian ago

You should be more worried about alienating the poltical enclaves which encompass the majority of the userbase

You can talk about non-political things on reddit

pangaea ago

The loli subs, fph, and non-political niche subs could have leftists. I'm a leftist from the loli community (loli is banned on reddit) :P

Ywis ago

We should be asking places.

9139145? ago

I don't have a twitter but suggest everyone who does ask inforwars or their sponsers.

markrod420 ago

if you think infowars won't try to manipulate the content like any other advertiser then you are just lying to yourself about who they are.

9141525? ago

I'd rather have InfoWars trying to manipulate this site to believe in more conspiracies than to have some normie trying to silence the conspiracy talk entirely.

markrod420 ago

a shill is a shill no matter the flavor.

HeavyBrain ago

I think we are all aware of this.

This conversation happened when the first big reddit refugee wave came, we all saw the servers crapped out, we all knew that better hardware thus more money is needed, we all knew that eventually sponsor will be needed that dont just give away money for us being so fucking nice.

Communities rise, get infected by sponsors, in this heavily capitalistic game ironically the wannabe commies thrive and kill said community.

The moment a sub gets shitcaned for wrongthink most will just turn their backs, but till this day I want to enjoy voat, the alternative would be to go back to pozzed shit like reddit and buzzfeed and nobody here wants to do that.

HomerSimpson ago

Off topic but we joined the exact same day!

9141704? ago

You don't sound like you're any fun at parties.

SubspaceDistortion ago

<Batman voice> This isn't a party.

Freedom of speech is serious business.

9142123? ago

The normal investor shills for an advertiser-friendly controlled environment.

The InfoWars investors shill for freedom of speech, gun rights, getting the truth out of our politicians and businesses, and occasionally trying to get people to buy their own combination of prepper goods, gun accessories, and vitamin supplements.

Also, InfoWars is more than willing to interview anyone and everyone, while the Corporate Media does pre-interviews and stacks their in-studio audiences and poll respondents, so there isn't a big risk of InfoWars or Breitbart trying to shill us into going too far in either political direction.

markrod420 ago

yeah i dont trust info wars. i dont trust alex jones. i believe they exist to make legitimate issues seem crazy. i dont think they are on our side at all. As far as im aware he basically came out against pizzagate for one thing. am i mistaken?

9142963? ago

He retracted a statement he made about Alefantis because they were preparing to bring a libel lawsuit against him, and knowing the money fielded by the globalists, the lawsuit might have been big enough to make Gawker's destruction seem like a cherry bomb compared to that nuke of a court case.

He still has had MANY people on over the last few months (both pre- and post-election) talking about the pedophile rings all throughout our country that are getting swept up thanks to Trump, he just had to publicly talk distance himself from their "Pizzagate" term because of the time he had spent pointing out their false flag location as a part of the larger conspiracy (even if it is, the evidence for that has been buried too deep for the general public to be willing to hear it).

When he has a chance to calmly explain himself and explain what he is really like or what he really thinks, all of his actions make sense. He learned all of this stuff 20+ years ago from his dad, and has been getting high-level intel for over a decade. He is someone who is very loyal to people until they screw him over, and then he'll curse them out with every breath in his body. He is very protective of his family, particularly his children, and doesn't want any harm to come to them, but if someone brings a fight, he isn't afraid to punch back.

In a lot of ways, he is very much like a true American cowboy stereotype, with the main differences being "he is a bit bigger build than the traditional cowboy image {unsure how much is fat vs muscle}" and "he is getting access to hints of information from the highest levels of government around the world".

markrod420 ago

i want to believe that he is on our side. but the issues ive seen him take on and the way he approaches things i cant help but feel like he starts out legitimate and begins to make valid points and then he eventally goes off the rails and begins to make the entire issue look like crazy people talk. So far i just dont trust him and ive been watching things from him for like 7 years now.

Vladimara ago

I too, would like the humble water filter merchant to support my favorite website of all time.

9139070? ago

Well they can still try

markrod420 ago

well then it will be "either we lose infowars or we start censorship" and so begins the process.

9139581? ago

then we lose infowars ?

markrod420 ago

Yeah as in "either voat loses the funding from info wars and shuts down or we begin censorship" and it's much harder to stop once you start taking the money than it is to never take it. if they accept the beginning of a loss of integrity then it is very likely they will eventually fall to it.

9144542? ago

Well then I guess it would mean infowars isn't pro free speech then

go1dfish ago

Breitbart might be another option, could use Voat to power the comment section instead of Disqus with a little bit of dev effort.

9139863? ago

Breitbart might not be as interested in ties with Voat as InfoWars, but it is still worth a shot. If we can get enough sponsors from the big media outlets in the New Right, then we can save Voat's finances while also making Voat become more popular.

HeavyBrain ago

Guess thats the only way to go on the long run.

Eventually shit will start to go South ans Voat will start censor for the sponsor but such is faith of all free internt communities.

9139051? ago

That would be a fucking stretch to implement, forget 'bout it

On the flip side they might be interested in getting free ad space on voat

That said, if every1 clicked on the fucking ads featured on this site everyday, and voat gets paid by click, we could raise some money

granted, not much, it's not as if we were millions here, more like thousands

The_Duke_of_Dabs ago

You can leave the 'a' in there. It's a soft pronunciation of the entirety of the 3 words, fuh (soft and quick) GET (This is where you bounce up in the whole of the phrase) aboutit (said like it's one word itself and trailing). fuhGETaboutit

scrimmmy ago

Dig out them wallets goats!! Lets do the white thing here.

Islamiscancer ago

first for Kill All Niggers

DillHoleBagHands ago

I will donate here in the next couple of weeks and ask my boss if we can run an add on Voat. I am not about to let Voat die now! I wish I could do more. My own finances are handicapping me from donating more.

bikergang_accountant ago

We need a better Ad system. I have some math that may be able to price it better. You are priced way to high. I've donated via add and directly before but I am far from rich and can't keep doing it. If the Ads had any chance of an ROI it could work. Maybe that's on me because I've never studied ad making but it seems most people who buy an ad don't make $55 back and the people who do it out of charity can only do it once. I know even at $55 dollars for a one day ad it doesn't meet your needs but that shouldn't matter, maximal revenue is independent of viability. We want to get you as close to viability as possible even if it's short.

Let me get some code up for a dynamic price that will weight toward whatever gets you the most revenue. Hopefully we can get some more ads sold. (it still won't get you neutral. You are going to have to drop your costs some how. Lowend box and getting off of windows?). Catalysthost and vpsrus seem to be the best bang for buck with some track record of professionalism.

Also I have some dynamic readwritecache code for sql. I know you have db costs as your highest. Would decreasing the throughput lower costs? The problem is all my code is written in nodejs, but still may be useful. Read from db only once every five minutes for an object even if writing. vpsrus has more ram than it should for the price.

Anyways the simplified price formula when there is no variable cost is sigma(ap^2)/sigma(ap)*(actual/target)^(w). Meaning you take sales from the past as input. It is a weighted average of past price weighted by how profitable it is. Let's say each sale you only get one unit sold to keep it simple. $10, $5, $3... $8.44. Then you have an adjustment that helps the system target a certain amount of volume. Let's say you want to keep three days of ads scheduled out, but you have 5 ads waiting. (5/3)^0.5=1.29 making the price, 10.90. That's where we get sales above average that can inform a higher standard price. The length of schedule you want and the degree of enforcement (w) are the subjective parts. Change the w all the up to 2. (5/3)^2*8.44=23.44 If someone does buy an ad at that price it will strongly inform the base price. The inventory targeting term will make sure that higher price doesn't lead to you never selling again.

Devious1 ago

I'm sure james alefantis, or Soros will donate to shut the site down. Petty trump or similar couldn't dig deep..

PuttItOut ago

Thanks my friend.

9138587? ago

As if they would have handed money to begin with

lbruiser ago

Well this is not good. Can we setup a patreon or something to keep it alive?

Rotteuxx ago

Why ? Where they donating or simply adding to the bandwith ?

sukitfeminists ago

Sell T-shirts, mugs and hoodies like wikileaks does, encourage people to buy them for gifts. Can do meme shirts or just plain voat logos.

0011011000111001 ago

Put real ads on the website while allowing user paid ads as well in there own section.

9138697? ago

That comes with it's own issues. Corporate ads are often intrusive, and many corporations are very picky when it comes to the kinds of content and services they want their products even remotely connected with. Going corporate in that way could lead to anti-freedom implementations on Voat.

0011011000111001 ago

Shouldn't that be up to the advertiser though? If they don't want any part of Voat then so be it. Why should be change to have their ads on our site? I am sure they're companies out there that would be on Voat. I guess I don't understand advertising that much.

9139247? ago

I'm sure there would be some as well, but I think finding the rare sort that would tolerate Voat's content and would not have non-intrusive ads might not be enough to fuel Voat's financially, is all.

Rotteuxx ago

Time for everyone to dig in their pockets until we find a unicorn shitting rainbows.

Michael_Obama ago

I still see the dire need for Free Speech in this world

Pretty ironic considering what's been implemented and who it has benefited.

and I still will do anything I can to continue providing it.

Not being ungrateful but this doesn't match reality.

Voat needs funding. Without it, Voat will be no more.

Where did the initial funding come from? That is an interesting question.

9138736? ago

I've debunked these points before and I'm tired of humouring you. These times are too trying for me to bother with your nonsense. You've benefited enough from Voat to spend thousands hours spreading disinformation to slander its name and the admins' goals, and yet not a single of your countless accounts has donated a penny.

You have the time, but not the dime, despite the use you've taken from Voat.

Grifter42 ago

You debunk points like an extremely constipated man shits: Poorly.

You give half-measure answers, and the leadership here are the kings of half measures.

9139061? ago

You give half-measure answers, and the leadership here are the kings of half measures.

This is your line and you stick to it, regardless of what logical and rational explanations are handed your way.

It is not my ability to explain and debunk, but your willingness to accept reality that is so poor.

Grifter42 ago

Why should Voat have to deal with someone who has already posted child pornography on the site, and is a known pedophile? I don't give a fuck if there wasn't a rule against it at the time, it's common sense. Any sensible person would have banned him long ago. And Beatle conspiring to have him flood my inbox with CP is something that should warrant a ban too. It's a federal fuckin' crime to conspire to distribute child pornography, and could get the site itself in serious hot water.

9139307? ago

Obviously my explanations are not the formal explanations but there are legal and reputational concerns Voat must contend with. CP is removed, but until we had in the rules that users posting CP would be banned entirely, it might not be in Voat's best interests publicity-wise to do so. That of course has changed, it is not in the rules, and if, now, someone were to post CP we have the codified statement to act on it in the way you'd desire. Why so concerned with the failings of then when we have the state of Voat now to hold a torch to?

Grifter42 ago

Because I don't think you folks are acting in good faith. I think you're being intellectually dishonest.

"Not in Voat's best interests publicity-wise"?

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. It's not in Voat's best interest to ban someone for posting child pornography?

Don't act like I'm fucking stupid, PS.

9139643? ago

hecho has come out in this thread to say that "conspiring to post CP" was in fact a "conspiring to post gay porn" so you don't even have ground to stand on with this.

Grifter42 ago

You know he had posted CP before, you know he's a pedophile, and you know what they were threatening to do.

I'm not a fucking idiot, PS.

9139843? ago

I know he's harassed many subverses, like /v/offgridders with porn before, but I'm not certain it was CP. I won't deny that it may have happened though, but I won't confirm that it has either as I do not know.

He has admitted to being a pedophile in the past but I don't think that's grounds for banning an account. Voat is concerned with the content posted here, not its users disgusting and immoral personal lives.

I don't think you're an idiot, I just think you're pressing an issue without paying heed to the state of affairs, to the actual information Putt has access to and how he has reacted to it.

Michael_Obama ago

You haven't debunked anything.

You've benefited enough from Voat to spend thousands hours spreading disinformation to slander its name and the admins' goals

What have i gained? We lost many good users because of the bullshit the admins let happen. This site is unrecognizable from a year ago, just go look at archives. And I've never slandered anyone, I just want to know facts.

You have the time, but not the dime, despite the use you've taken from Voat.

I use reddit too and i wouldn't give them a dime. The reality is I've contemplated every possible situation behind the motivations of voat, and after what I have experienced, giving them money would be like giving money to someone who hates you. None of the shit that is wrong with Voat is my fault. I'm just a loud mouth.

9139125? ago

And I've never slandered anyone, I just want to know facts.

Every spam post you've made has been 50%+ false and insupportable claims, often in reference to Putt. I call that slander in an effort to drive people away.

The reality is I've contemplated every possible situation behind the motivations of voat, and after what I have experienced, giving them money would be like giving money to someone who hates you.

Dubious. You fail to understand Occam's Razor and claim to understand every possible motivation.

Voat's admins have had extremely finite amounts of time each day to do a great deal of work for a userbase incapable or unwilling to support it financially, despite Voat's -- Voat's -- dedication to freedom of speech from the beginning. There ability to pursue ideal solutions for every non-ideal feature you find and exploit is extremely limited. So they have slapped on quick CCP-related restrictions as temporary solutions while the've contended with higher priorities, like ensuring Voat remains usable (free of spam and brigaders) and now and then attempts at securing more funding from the userbase. They had start-up support, but like all avenues of support of that nature, time has run out.

There was never any selling out to venture capitalists with agendas, no canary death or FISA requests, no mysterious manipulation of anything from behind the scenes. Putt -- and not too long ago, Atko -- worked hard to do what he could with what time he had, and now the only tangible support he had financially is gone. It's that simple.

Michael_Obama ago

Every spam post you've made has been 50%+ false and insupportable claims, often in reference to Putt. I call that slander in an effort to drive people away.

Referencing shady things taking place isn't slander. Admins silence is just deafening.

and as for the rest of your comment, I don't believe for a second the admins just own a site and have no idea what goes on here. That's a lame argument to sell too. Admins know exactly what is going on and let it occur.

9139268? ago

I'm not saying that off or shady things aren't happening, and I'm not saying that, if they are, the admins haven't known. What I'm saying is the time and energy required to properly handle whatever might be going on is not available, as Putt must concern himself with other things primarily.

But I've said all this before.

Michael_Obama ago

The admins know, and if you want me to believe they are lazy and have other things going on.. instead of running one of the most controversial websites on the internet.. then you are nuts.

9139341? ago

they are lazy and have other things going on

I didn't say lazy, I said (and have been saying) that the admins (right now just Putt since Atko left) have full-time jobs and lives to lead outside of Voat, personal responsibilities, and with what little time is left to Voat after that must be spent wisely.

Michael_Obama ago

and they leave the site to be ran by pieces of shit who ruined it. So where am i supposed to feel sympathy in this equation?

PuttItOut ago

Fuck you Sane, unlike your little army, others have donated and contributed.

LORD_SPARTACUS_1488 ago

Sane was right. Spartacus was right.

"If you don't use Linux, you will suffer" and that's exactly what has happened. You deserve it, and I'm going to be running scripts to waste a bit of your bandwidth because I hate you, your shitty site and your promotion of this "Voating Model". Dumbass.

You must have foreseen this increase in cost. That's how Microshekel works. Dumbass. People's pathetic donations will not cover all of the MS tax, and they will waste their money like the retards they are. Not to mention, I would not donate even if this site was the best in the world, since it would just go directly into Microshekel's pocket.

  • Voat's dependency on Microshekel software
  • Incessant and annoying captchas when using Tor (because you use Cloudshekels)
  • Incessant and annoying captchas when under 20CCP
  • Voting system just like Plebbit, which forces people to speak le popular opinion or get de-facto-banned from everything
  • Annoying userbase who can only defend Voat (not your fault, but still)

Also, never forget that I fucked up all your chats from 1 computer with a shitty network connection :-) I bet the technical problem isn't even fixed, you just banned everyone with <100 CCP.

All Hail Lord Spartacus

oiseaulibre ago

Putt, people say I'm a part of this "sane group" too. We're not a group, the chat restrictions, the spammer, and the people who pushed for restrictions have just pissed the people in chat off time and time again. I've donated a small amount when I came here, turned my adblocker off from the first day that you and atko said there would be ads, and I bought a shirt and sticker the first time you guys sold merch. Now that I have seen this post I will be donating again sometime soon, because although I complain, I do love it here. However, what the hell is with this comment? You know MYG isn't sane. I have a lot of times given you the benefit of the doubt and defended you when people would talk shit about you being "corrupt". But what hell? Is this a witch hunt? Is everyone who criticizes you SaneGoat?

Rename the site Salem.co.

ExpertShitposter ago

Sane group faggot detected. He sees website data and probably knows more than anyone who is or isn't sane. And myg7 was sane.

oiseaulibre ago

MYG isn't Sane. They're two completely different personalities. None us have talked to Sane in a long time. He's gone dormant.

There also is no "Sane group". I don't know if you remember the /v/TIL fiasco, but I was one of the most vocal anti-sane users during that time. I had a couple posts about him hit the front page and created /v/CCSAT to make fun of him.

9139877? ago

Nice to have finally confirmation of this being Sane's alt. (Not that this was hard to know just from guessing.)

234234242 ago

Fuck you Sane, unlike your little army, others have donated and contributed.

this is completely unprofessional.

https:// discord.gg/Ye7by

Grifter42 ago

Let me just butt in for a moment...

Fuck you, Putt. You know what Beatle and SBBH are doing to this site, and you did nothing. I PMed you about how Beatle was trying to get Hecho to flood my inbox with CP, and you did nothing. You are the king of half-measures, and a fucking ineffectual leader.

Get them to pay the fuckin' server bills, because I ain't giving you a dime.

9139899? ago

Users from SBBH have donated multiple times. Have you not seen the ads in the sidebar?

Strangely enough, I don't see you have donated?

SarMegahhikkitha ago

Thank you for your patronage, kind benefactor Soros. Can your next ad, instead of attracting people to join SRS, be about how everyone who disagrees with SRS is a SaneGoat alt? I'm really worried now that Amalek can't be used as a scapegoat.

ExpertShitposter ago

Shutup Jew.

heygeorge ago

Yes, on the money again! That's more-or-less what another SBBH ad does.

GivenUp ago

This. This is why I've bought from every merch sale. I love this site because I can count on candid free speech from all users, including the creator.

PutItOut, please keep fighting the good fight.

Michael_Obama ago

First off you know I'm not Sane. I find it weird you would suggest that. Secondly, I have asked for ways to donate outside of bitcoin seeing as in i don't trust it. It doesn't make any sense, I've even offered to buy gift cards and send you the information via PM.

I wanted to contribute until I experienced the harassment many others have which results in genuine users being censored. You let them (you know) run wild on this site and brigade daily and fuck with people. 2 years since i made my first account @MightyYetGentle and I've seen too much occur to feel sympathy.

It has been fun at times though.

Grifter42 ago

Calling everyone Sane is a standard SBBH tactic, and it isn't much of a surprise that Putt is using such tactics.

heygeorge ago

"everyone"

Maybe that's how it seems from your perspective.

From my perspective, it's nearly always the same few assclowns spouting retarded shit.

Grifter42 ago

Sane has no fucking grammatical structure, and a lack of charisma that does the movement a disservice. But his message, presented by a more logical and charismatic leader makes sense.

Why should we trust Spez types, like Putt?

heygeorge ago

Does sane only type like that? Untrue. His premeditated posts & comments often have a very different grammar & syntax. I have spoken to zim many times in many different contexts.

99% of sanei's "message" is agitating bullshit, and when things don't go his way in a discussion, he nukes it, turns to insults, or adds you to zis "list" and threatens that he's building a file on you (while showing evidence of it).

Q: How chilling is that to free speech?
A: Incredibly

If you'd like to know why you get called sane, read my response to ois.

Grifter42 ago

You think that calling everyone who disagrees with you as fake sane isn't a chilling effect?

heygeorge ago

Compared to threatening doxxing and posting archived comments and making lists of names and actions? Not even close. Do you think that's remotely close? If so, it sounds a bit... Ummmmmm... I don't know how to put this... Sanei.

Grifter42 ago

Fuck you, prick.

Call everyone who disagrees with you Sane.

Personally, I think this donation drive is a scam, but you're SBBH, so you'll downvote brigade me for anything that isn't the official narrative.

heygeorge ago

I can't help but notice that, similarly to sane, you have little/no acumen at acknowledging another's fair point and instead dive into the sea of baseless drivel.

I'm going to just take a moment to sympathize with how tough your real life situation must be in order for you to behave this way.

Grifter42 ago

Lol. Drink bleach, you fuckin' SBBH faggot.

oiseaulibre ago

Calling people you don't like "Sane" is voat's version of a witch hunt.

heygeorge ago

Call it what you like, but let me put it to you this way:

When others accuse you of being sanei, it's either because you're acting like a jackass or spouting out retarded shit as fact.
Perhaps Putts is doing the same to Tranny_Puss.

You are so often disingenuous that, to me, your opinion carries little weight.
In my better moments I think of you as a misguided young person.

Odd to see you down here, responding to me instead of Grifter. Oh, right, your chatroom.

oiseaulibre ago

I didn't find this comment because of chat. I comment earlier in this thread.

disingenuous

I think it's more trolling than being disingenuous. This all started when the fire nation attacked. chat was attacked. I have many serious conversations on voat. Not many with SBBH though.

Edit: I didn't downvoat you btw. That was probably grifter.

heygeorge ago

You don't magically get a comment reply just because you're further up the thread. ;)

Maybe you think it's more trolling, or whatever, but when that's all you show to someone, I don't know what you expect in return.

Not an edit: You and grifter and all your sanei buddies are in an offsite chat coordinating your efforts. Jus sayin'.

Now I'm trolling. Am I trolling? Yeah.

oiseaulibre ago

I've been out of the chat for about the last 45 minutes. I when I was there we weren't coordinating anything. I was arguing with a Keynesian retard the whole time.

sanei

You better not be a silversurfers alt. He calls Sane "Sani"...very similar...very suspicious...

heygeorge ago

very suspicious

Lol! While we're trolling, I just read grifter's fucking awful metaphor about constipation. Milennials fuckin' suck.

oiseaulibre ago

Where?

heygeorge ago

I think it's in response to Peace Seeker somewhere down at the bottom here.

oiseaulibre ago

https://voat.co/v/announcements/1866053/9138853/10#9138853

I think the awfulness makes it funny. Kinda like an anti-joke.

heygeorge ago

I agree in the sense that it is remarkable.

Grifter42 ago

Exactly. It's their version of calling someone a Nazi, because calling someone a nazi doesn't work on those who know the truth about the lies of the Jews.

Ozzsanity ago

Gee whiz I was able to donate not using bitcoin, it was really easy. Like most of the loud ones at this place you don't help out at all. You just bleat.

Michael_Obama ago

Why would I help people who have fucked with me without remorse? Do you know how badly i would love to believe the admins mean what they say? And how did you donate?

0011011000111001 ago

LOL!

I was thinking the exact same thing.

lmkevin ago

Put more ads up, increase the cost on them.

Anyone who's nay-saying that simply does not have the capitalist spirit.

9138747? ago

Raising the cost on user ads would likely only reduce the number bought. Corporate ads are intrusive and might limit Voat in the future.

Nihilist ago

Fuck Microsoft azure. Go 100% Linux to save shitloads.

Licensing fees or for normie losers.

pagesix1536 ago

What this guy said and then some.

reeeeeeeeeeeee ago

lmao why the fuck is voat on azure to begin with

NeedPolyGF ago

Here, here! I like the sound of that. Go Linux; Screw Microsoft. Screw anyone who doesn't screw Microsoft.

redpilldessert ago

Do you know what Reddit uses?

greenfascist ago

I'm a little shocked it isn't on linux already.

This is the thing about the message boards of the world, they aren't that complicated, just some php, mysql, javascript and css. I can't see how the costs can be anywhere near as high as they are.

Riva ago

Traffic

greenfascist ago

yeah, but when a significant monthly expense is a licencing fee for azure, my sympathy drops off.

weezkitty ago

I don't get why they didn't start the porting effort before things got expensive. There is really no rational reason to run microshit

ShitArchon ago

I'm still pissed they implemented the Archived Thread feature--and the cutoff is even sooner than Reddit, 2 months instead of 5 months. I absolutely loathe that, it's worse than Reddit. I'd gladly donate if the admins will port to something better at load-handling than shitty Azure and then change commenting back.

JustAPseudonym ago

Why do you not like archiving?

ShitArchon ago

"You can't comment after 3 months" is a bullshit restriction that hampers what I can do. And it's more severe than Reddit.

And look at how they made the trophies ugly in the switch from alpha to beta. I absolutely refuse to donate if the admins have no intention of making the site better, not worse.

VoatRedditPort ago

Honestly, it isn't bullshit. Archiving saves resources/money.

ShitArchon ago

Then why didn't they do it earlier when supply greatly exceeded demand? And again, just because something saves money doesn't mean I have to smile and like the feature. Until the admins have any intentions of implementing the features I want, they're not getting a red fuckin' cent.

VoatRedditPort ago

Then why didn't they do it earlier when supply greatly exceeded demand?

Honestly? Inexperience. As far as I can tell they are just feeling their way along.

And again, just because something saves money doesn't mean I have to smile and like the feature. Until the admins have any intentions of implementing the features I want, they're not getting a red fuckin' cent.

I didn't say you had to donate. But no offense, unless you were personally planning to donate 100% of the operating costs, catering to you doesn't make any economic sense.

ShitArchon ago

Honestly? Inexperience. As far as I can tell they are just feeling their way along.

We're talking about people who knew what the loads were and even made a map game until Voat could be back online. That's more complex than auto-locking threads after a given time period.

But no offense, unless you were personally planning to donate 100% of the operating costs, catering to you doesn't make any economic sense.

You're correct. And it doesn't make economic sense for me to incentivize behavior I don't want.

VoatSearch ago

Someone with cleverer creative skills than me: name and start a dedicated subverse for this

Failure ago

Azure has linux support

Nihilist ago

That's not really the point. Linux is free. Microsoft running in Linux means your paying for something that should be free.

LostandFound ago

Azure is just a pay as you go monstrosity, it's like ordering a rental car to go shopping and for a spin but all they have is a bugatti veyron.

lord_nougat ago

An extra shitty one that breaks down.

LostandFound ago

She runs good just tap out the dents no one will notice https://imgtc.com/4yIFCmQ

lord_nougat ago

Holy shit, what a sight!

9138766? ago

I'm not sure how feasible this suggestion is, but I think I recall Atko saying something in the past about potentially switching to Linux? Or maybe that was him saying it would require massive changes to everything? But didn't Putt complete that massive overhaul?

This might be worth considering if feasible.

Chiefpacman ago

Question for you, as you kind of have been a voat "angel".

Would you not want a receipt? There is a lot of unrest right now over the admin announcement, and I see a lot of people who are hesitant to give money, because what the fuck is happening with the money we give him.

I think it's time we got a receipt. I think you're a good person to be asking for one, I have no right to do so. I have not given nearly as much as you

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

You're talking about a "receipt" to someone talking about a completely different topic... Unless I'm totally out of the loop on some new meme?

Chiefpacman ago

You're out of your element donny.

He knows me/this is an ongoing conversation. Feel free to join v/goats4voat

Its all set up now

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

Ah, I'm just a casual here. It's kind of my "in between" place for reddit and the stormer. Also the only place I'm not currently banned. lol

9141031? ago

Well you get receipts for your donations, but I understand that's not what you're talking about.

Personally I would like a donation bar to highlight how much funding Voat has received to cover the current month's goals that month. It would also be nice to know the operating costs (Putt has told us that in this post, but they are likely to change soon if he cuts back on intensive features), and yes, exactly what elements they go towards.

The main problem is Putt doesn't hardly have the time to do what he's doing now, let alone implement and manage a donation bar. The old one was manual and impossible to keep up-to-date. As for specifics as to what features cost how much, yeah that would be nice, but I don't know how frequently these figures change. I of course would gladly see that information if Putt could provide it, but I don't know how meaningful the numbers would be if provided at this time.

ruck_feddit ago

I cannot find your post concerning a list of users interested in paying a monthly subscription fee. It's probably right in front of my face. Please add me to this list. I look more than I touch around here, but no one else will have me...

9144027? ago

Here's the thread, and I'll gladly add you. Mind stating how much you hope to donate each month?

And we're glad to have you mate. :D

catslovejustice ago

I can do $5 a month. Is there a way to pay without giving out personal info?

9179002? ago

If you don't want to use your own credit card, the options for anonymous donations are either Bitcoin (which might be tough to use if you've never used it before) or buy a pre-paid credit card or two at a convenience store and use it. We've confirmed that this is possible.

I'll add you to the list :) Let me know if there are problems using the pre-paid card option.

ruck_feddit ago

Put me down for a Jackson. I've donated before through a close friend/fellow-voater who wasn't scared to use his visa card.

Keep up the good work.

9144146? ago

Will do, mate!

PuttItOut ago

We would love to port our code to .NET Core and run on Linux, but this is a big job, maybe 3-4 months of code freeze and port. Would only happen if we got funding.

DJT ago

So fuckin post the code and let the aspies port it to Linux. Also get funding from Infowars. We're just their bunch.

thehivemind ago

I got tired of all the talking with no action and created a Subverse for this purpose. Lets crowdsource this shit. Voat is open source so why not. If you have any skills related to linux or webdev, head over to /v/Voat4Linux, share, and contribute.

MagaTron ago

Can you not use something like mono runtime on linux? I tried it a while ago but it looked promising.

mqrmqr ago

Worth it, and necessary to continue the realistic funding of Voat (without a major investor, if there isn't one, this is your next move).

redpilldessert ago

How much would you need approx for that job?

uisge ago

Why not try, in the short term, a crowd funding exercise and post it on voat? Respect btw, I know I couldn't fund that amount of money, its about 3 x what I earn in a month, but crowd funding could attract an angel...or a few archangels?

wuzizname ago

Call for volunteers in the programming and linux subs, lots of people want to contribute and it's good experience to work on a project like that.

There's already people volunteering time as mods, donations come in more forms than just cash.

kevf4 ago

.Net core 2.0 is out now and has almost every library. I've looked over the code and I don't think it would take months, probably a few weeks.

Kael_thas_Sunstrider ago

What I never understood why you would use a windows base to begin with?

PresnatDankusMaximus ago

I'm down to contribute for free with rewriting the website to work on Linux. I will collaborate and contribute as much as I can, it would be very beneficial

Donbuster ago

https://voat.co/v/SavingVoat/1866511

I'm organizing a rewrite effort. Infothread above, and there's a slack team for people who want to join up, invite in thread

d3r ago

It looks like ASP.NET MVC 5 apps and .NET 4.5 are supported by Mono. No port required? http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/compatibility/

YouAreRetarded ago

Whoa, whoa, whoa... you're using .NET? Well there's your problem right there...

Kidding aside you've done a hell of a job. I wish I had the pockets or the programming knowledge to help. have you thought about scaling it back and making it subscription based? Then offer some type of incentive to subscribe? Just spit balling here. I'll think of something...

geovoat ago

If you are going down anyway then open source the code and ask for help to do the conversion.

Worst case scenario it doenst happen and other voat type places pop up with your code.

Best case your porting gets done for free and you survive.

trentlapinski ago

You might not necessary need to port it, and can simply run it in virtualization using a Linux container / Docker.

Not sure what your core architecture and DB setup looks like, but its doable. The company I'm working with might be able to help.

wesofx ago

I suggest making a sticky linking to the github. I think lots of smart members here might want to contribute. From the looks of the github, most the code for Voat is C#, so if you mention that, you might get lots of C# developers who want to have their name on the project.

bikergang_accountant ago

We could do a "genetic" approch. We all try porting it onto linux and the one that is succesful ends up being the new project. I'm sure the absolute shortest path "god path" isn't that difficult if not dead simple but the issue is knowing exactly what has to be done and dotting all the i(s).

If we all took the nieve approch but slightly differently the easy way to get it done will be discovered. We can also take notes on what worked and what didn't and get a good discovery of what's involved.

Wowbagger ago

I'm a sql server pro and I'm not terrible at .net programming in general. If you can give specific tasks I may be able to help when the time comes. A conversion to Linux could save us a bundle. As for money, I can easily afford $25/month to help keep the lights on. There have to be a decent amount of us who can do that.

9141779? ago

If you do do $25/month I'll add you to a thread I'm writing to document everyone who has pledged monthly donations. It would go a long way. Let me know if you plan to do this.

Wowbagger ago

I'll set it up on Friday. I need to adjust and add the regular payment to my budget so I don't forget where it's going and it resets then. Ping me on Friday and make sure I do it?

9143515? ago

I'll make a note to do so!

Hopefully I remember to read the note :P

Donbuster ago

I could do 25 as well, but can 250 of us? That seems to be pushing it considering our userbase...

9141787? ago

I'm already building a thread of all the monthly donation pledges people have made so far. It's looking good. If you and @Wowbagger both pledge $25/month that would go a long way and help a lot! Let me know if you do so I can add you to the thread.

Donbuster ago

Link please?

9142539? ago

To the user list or the donation page?

If you want to more easily donate each month there is a donate $5 a month for a year option. Just add five of these to your cart before checkout if you want to donate $25/month. If you do this let me know and I'll add you to the user list.

Donbuster ago

Moneys tight at the moment, i'll commit once we get a bit closer, so that I know it will lead to the site's continuation. Can you pm me when you hit something like 20%

9233537? ago

Enough pledges of trickled in that with rounding we are now covering approximately 1/5 of the current operating costs, but Putt and others intend to use our newly gathered funds to start work on reducing these monthly costs. So if you still want to make a pledge, this is your ping -- but you said money is tight, so there is not need to jeopardize your personal economic situation. I just wanted to let you know that we've come a long way towards making Voat self-sustainable.

Donbuster ago

Good on you for remembering. I made the pledge earlier, when we hit about 1/7th, decided we had enough momentum to be worth it.

9233767? ago

Ha! That you did. I just had a memo written in a spreadsheet that when we reached 1/5 I ought to ping you and so here I am, mindlessly doing so without first checking to see if you've already pledged. Thanks again for helping out.

9142605? ago

You mean once we reached 1/5 of the costs up from 1/16 where we're at now? Sure thing I will. And if money is tight don't push yourself. There are a lot of goats here; we should be able to scrounge together what we require.

tribblepuncher ago

Is there anything actually preventing you from going open source with what you have and requesting community assistance with a port?

bahhumbugger ago

Talk to the Russians.

HuginnOgMuninn ago

Reach out to KIM DOTKOM. He's to be TRUSTED, he can help MONETIZE, and EMBIGGEN us.

Donbuster ago

Do we really want to become one of kims projects? I mean, he's the right kind of person to be looking at but look at how most of them have turned out. Sure, they made him rich, but megaupload is, well, megaupload, mega is no longer in his control thanks to hostile takeover...

Sk8rminion ago

MEGAVOAT

Ina_Pickle ago

You have a huge sub of techies who would happily help, and a huge user base who will patiently wait however long is needed.

VoatSearch ago

I'd subscribe to a hardcore coders/IT specialists sub dedicated to solving this. My hunch would be that a port could be done cheaply and quickly just with volunteer goat skills and a bit of smart project management.

Pawn ago

I'll help you code it into Linux.

WhiteRonin ago

What language though?

9139585? ago

He should open source voat's code and let us have a crack at it :)

Donbuster ago

Isn't that repo ancient?

theMETA ago

Same here!

Datawych ago

Post to all the Linux subs. I'm sure you can find a bunch of fuckin' nerds who'd be willing to contribute.

neogag ago

.NET core's performance profile seems very unclear.

I have no idea what architecture you use, but you could consider porting to a lower level framework like https://kore.io/ (pure C, haven't seen benchmarks though) or rocket (uses Rust, bit of a learning curve but its benchmarks outperform everything by an order of magnitude).

redpilldessert ago

What does Reddit use?

poo_22 ago

Reddit is a bunch of Python code using the pylons framework. Last time I checked anyway.

neogag ago

I'm not really a Python guy, but I know it generally performs like shit. Most companies value productivity over perf and just throw money on hardware to compensate.

It's a weird tradeoff when you can have not much worse productivity by using node.js (ES6 is great) and get better performance and async on everything.

Nihilist ago

How much do you think you could save running on Linux ?

squishysquid ago

probably like a k or so on licensing, real benefit would be to unlock them from the azure platform though.

ninjai ago

I work in IT and handle many infrastructures. Microsoft licensing is fucking madness.

wuzizname ago

Why do people pay for it then? What's the appeal?

reddit-is-retarded ago

Only small shops/ in house IT pay the MS tax. 75% of AWS is linux. http://blog.intronis.com/bid/a-peek-inside-amazon-web-services

LostandFound ago

Have done other resource intensive websites usually at least 75%, azure is crippling. Best was about 98% reduction after moving a video 'chat' site we just agreed a fixed cost for next to unlimited bandwidth with another provider only paying extra on cpu rental if and when needed.

Donbuster ago

Hard to say. Without hard bandwidth numbers, you can't just go look at a hosting providers rates and expect to figure out what we need. A considerable amount per moth, sure, maybe even a few thousand, but the work needed to get there is obscene. We should make the switch at some point, but if we want the site to survive such a switch, a 3-4 month nest egg should be built up

tribblepuncher ago

While I'm not Putt, I can say that it'd probably be a lot easier to find a new provider at the very least, so there would be a great deal more competition for Voat's business. While I haven't touched server stuff like that in some time, it's pretty simple to find Linux providers. Plus, considering Microsoft's recent stand on Windows 10 having built-in censorship tools (and their prior stand on having built-in spyware), I wouldn't trust Azure anyway.

something_went_wrong ago

find a new provider

A hosting provider that supports .Net Core or equivalent to allow minimal code rewrite to move to *nix platform. Relatively new branch for .net that doesn't even seem stable or widely used at all yet. Means finding a hosting provider that supports this reliably might be pretty difficult.

tribblepuncher ago

Means finding a hosting provider that supports this reliably might be pretty difficult.

Not if the whole "community rewrite for Linux" thing happens, which would presumably write it in a non-.NET language. And there seems to be a lot of momentum behind it, so if Putt is OK with it, that could well be an option.

0011011000111001 ago

I wouldn't mind a extremely trimmed down version of this site. There are a few websites that have forums/communities and they run on $100 servers. I don't know how many people use Voat.. Ahh man. I am broken on the inside.

Would anyone be able to host the server from home? I could donate some old hardware........

/cry

9138778? ago

I don't know how many people use Voat.. Ahh man. I am broken on the inside.

Including users without accounts, quite a damn few.

Devious1 ago

Any idea what spec server / line etc was needed. Azure and AWS is pricey instead of hosting on one of there servers, might as well host on repurposed hardware at our own "cloud location"

/dontcry

DillHoleBagHands ago

I have an old i7-920 rig with an SSD, 1TB hdd, 16GB RAM, and two SLied 550ti's that I can be used. Not much I know, but that's all I've got!

0011011000111001 ago

Yeah, that is pretty much what I have laying around too.

DillHoleBagHands ago

I would throw in my newer FX-9590, R9 280X build in, but I need that for my college classes and currently not in usable condition. I must do more to keep Voat alive...

Donbuster ago

We would need server hardware. Hardware that's designed to be reliable, and run 24/7 at load without dying. You'd be suprised how cheap some of that stuff gets on ebay. Power efficieny is also important, as electricity is one of the larger costs of hosting. Not only do you have to pay for the power you use, you ALSO have to pay AGAIN for the power to run an ac unit to dissipate the resulting heat. Sure, the costs are paid indirectly through hosting fees, but they are still there. Pretty sure electricity still plays into the pricing of most colocation plans, too.

DillHoleBagHands ago

I understand how large scale and small scale servers work. I am a PC tech.

PuttItOut ago

Lol, Voat used to run on a $100/month server. Those were the good old days. Got a time machine.

mechaet ago

Any chance you could reveal how many servers Voat runs on, what OS and such? I know a few hosting companies, I might be able to work something out.

0011011000111001 ago

Would it be feasible to add real ads to the site? I am sure that most of us would allow the ads just to support the site. None of us want to see vote disappear.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee ago

Ads would be fine, if it bothers people then they can use a blocker or maybe pay to see no ads...

SeptemberVirgin ago

Oh yes, the racist anti-semitic homophobic body-shaming conspiracy theorist far-right wing nutters are such a desirable target market for Madison ave.

z_impaler ago

Did someone keep you locked away and rape you for years on end? You are one more bitter mass of carbon.

Voopin__Voopin ago

Wew look at those SCP and CCP numbers.

Also I noticed someone once said how the ShareBlue shills have months in thier usernames. Just a coincidence, im sure ;)

NeedleStack ago

Closure? WTF? Why not tell us sooner so we could pull together for a huge donation drive? Anyway, what's done is done.

Prepare for donations but please don't let it slip like this again.

Be transparent and regularly let us know what reserves you have and what you need to keep running.

Edit: Please email me regarding the crochet goat auction. We need to lock down logistics.

Mew222 ago

You're a gangster and I got your back. Someone's gotta be the voice of Truth on this planet. Please reply. I'm very much vested in this.

NeedleStack ago

Hi. Ah, well what I wrote in that comment was pretty much it. Putt's busy as we all know but hopefully he'll respond with some kind of business plan (or financial breakdown) soon enough. Welcome to voat!

babajee ago

+10 man!! Reddit was SO happy that voat is shutting down!! They linked to this and it was on the frontpage for a while. Retards didn't knew we LOVE VOAT. Everyone is not a Libetard.

Anything for free speech! Voat will live on!!

RedditisPropaganda25 ago

Also, please try cutting down costs. $5K/mo ?!

negerlove ago

(((voat)))

flor1dausa ago

I want Voat to succeed and will offer my advice:

  • Message the top 100 users of twitter and ask for help promoting the medium.

  • Create a Kickstarter campaign.

  • Be more open with the community and ask for advertising.

  • Reach out to The Donald and other large Reddit communities offering a new medium.

CanadianPatriot ago

I agree, time for the higher fucktioning autists to prepare weapons grade memes. best of luck to us all and god save the queen

TAThatBoomerang ago

You're kind of missing the point. Donations every now and then aren't enough to keep this website running. Voat needs a regular supply of cash.

mightnotbearobot ago

You fucking socialist

Mad_Dog91 ago

Yeah, if I knew the situation is this dire I'd even throw a few bucks

issueninja ago

Why not tell us sooner so we could pull together for a huge donation drive?

I had no idea Voat needed money like RIGHT NOW. I think I donated $25 a while back, but never got any information that it was received.

I would be happy to kick in $100 or so, but not if hundreds of thousands are needed and $100 won't do any good.

Chiefpacman ago

I would gold this comment if I could.

@puttitout

weezkitty ago

These programs have since expired and we are now paying full costs.

Yeah. Why wasn't this announced BEFORE it happened

mirimar ago

I think what he is saying is that these measures are not enough or too hard to implement alone. What he really wants is a sugar daddy to end the funding nightmare.

llllIIIIllllIII ago

Closure? WTF? Why not tell us sooner so we could pull together for a huge donation drive?

This. I've noticed a running theme with Voat. Late to upgrade their engine to handle traffic, late to ask for donations.

234234242 ago

come by discord, my dear old friend. i may share another picture of my kitty.

PhilaFerret ago

You're the best - crochet goat auction!

NeedleStack ago

Maaaaahhh!

PhilaFerret ago

Tease!

markrod420 ago

have you somehow been out of the loop on voat's funding issues? I thought it was pretty obvious voat is in need of funding. if I had any spare money I would be doing my best to help. that and if I believed that we have any real power left in this world. but sadly I think our power is basically limited to circle jerking on message boards.

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

if I believed that we have any real power left in this world

Of course we still have real power in this world. If we didn't, the jews would control our entire media, our entire entertainment industry, be ridiculously over-represented in all branches of our government, and openly be calling for our people to be bred out of existence. And that would just be the tip of the iceberg...

Reed_Solomon ago

iceberg

berg

dang. All the way to the top.

Tsilent_Tsunami ago

(((iceberg)))!

markrod420 ago

yes... if we had no power all of those things would be happening... rofl.

etzefeck ago

Wait a second....

NeedleStack ago

No one had an inkling the state of finances were this dire. An earlier heads-up would have been helpful to prevent such straits.

Tor1 ago

This just happened.

It's the first bill at full price.

Donbuster ago

Exactly, I asked several times for additional transparency months ago, and got a decent amount of attention, but no response. I've donated myself several times, and as much as I don't want to see this place go, I feel at this point, seeing that nice big 6.6k a month number, that, unless I see actual progress towards financial stability. Money is tight, and I don't want to simply piss it away, seeing as that comes to nearly 10 bucks an hour to keep running. The ads, too, even if we filled up every day (and I can't remember the last time we had an ad buy), aren't nearly enough, seeing as for a full day of having your ad run, we get less than 3 hours of time.

Something needs to change. Either we need to get a sponsorship (which won't be all that appreciated by the voat community, though if we were able to get the attention of a free speech group like journalists without borders or the EFF, or a similar group, I imagine backlash would be minimal), or we need to dramatically reduce costs.

Even if we do cut costs, we still need a reliable source of funding. Much as I know many here hate the concept of price gating features, a "reddit gold" style of monetization might be highly effective. If, again, our costs at current capacity are $10 an hour, and it costs, lets say $3 to guild yourself or someone else, then we MIGHT be able to generate enough income.

As far as sponsorship shit goes, this is really the only thing I could find with an organization that aligns with Voat's beliefs in regards to free speech. https://rsf.org/en/supporting-media-outlets-and-ngos

We aren't a media outlet in and of ourselves, and this is CLEARLY more intended for those trying to publish accurate news in repressive countries, but its worth a shot. It seems likely that reporters without borders recognizes the need of free discourse on the internet, and the rate at which that discourse is disappearing.

Intheknow ago

Seems like ransom...A goat appeared on my desktop last week and said voat was now financially independent. Why then say its failing? Odd to me but hey, "you da boss".

markrod420 ago

I guess I just saw the previous cries for help. never saw any significant resolution to those cries, and assumed voat was still on the path to insolvency but perhaps at a slowed rate. admittedly a little warning about this before all the discounts and promos wore off may have been good.

0011011000111001 ago

I would totally buy one of your creations depending on the price. They're fucking sweet!

234134124123 ago

Is there a "gold" for Voat? If so, I'm happy to start dishing out a couple today. The only reason I never did gold on reddit was that I didn't want to give money to trash.

But I have gold to give here, for damn sure.

Gunfreak ago

Absolutely. I always loved the fact that r/The_Donald put in a lot of automods so we could give our fellow pedes coats to show appreciation instead of letting Reddit get our cash.

iciclebicycle ago

I've withheld giving Reddit gold for about two years now, as have all the new kids. We are ready to contribute to protect free speech. Please do your part to make it faster, easier, and fun. I've donated via credit card, but that was cumbersome. Awarding bitcoin on a post, maybe? And from I could see, there was a past issue with PayPal. Could you possibly resolve that? I'd say 'press the reset button', but I don't want to get suicided in the back of the head with a dumbbell.

234134124123 ago

IDK, I'm trying to figure out voat myself.

I'm a job and a paycheck away form donating some, but if it's going to be a constant stream of cash, it would be probably better with the "gold" deal..

Judge1972Holden ago

A lot of the new TD members feel this way. We would love to donate, but a Gold analog would also go far.

cousineerie ago

We can have a big gold circle jerk, and you guys can shoot your gold right into my mouth. Cool?

Judge1972Holden ago

If that somehow contributes more to the site hosting us...sure, I guess....

Rotteuxx ago

Hell, get me a .DWG of the logo and I'll have laser cut stainless steel keychains & scaled statuettes for sale, 100% profit to Voat.

@Puttitout :)

Gunfreak ago

Think you could laser cut me a stainless steel front license plate?

Rotteuxx ago

Anything is possible rly... although I don’t really want to do business through Voat nor doxx myself by doing business with new Voaters outside of Voat.

Fuck__Reddit ago

I'd buy 2 or 3.

MagaTron ago

Maybe I can make one, what do you need like a 3D model?

Rotteuxx ago

Thx for the offer, I've been working on it with /u/hell since yesterday and pricing is started too.

I'll keep it in mind though.

z_impaler ago

Could I suggest doing same logo (just maybe a little larger) and putting an adhesive back on it so it could go on my vehicle??

Rotteuxx ago

Love the idea !

Deathstalker ago

I can do this. I can make .dwg or .dxf

Phivex ago

Another sell right here.

autexousious ago

made a quick dwg for you. Not sure what kind of topology you're looking for, can change it if needed. Not sure what this file sharing site is, but it says this should be available for 30 days, until i reupload it. https://ufile.io/jknvh

Rotteuxx ago

@Hell was gonna give it a go, whoever has the most free time go ahead & have fun.

As for the drawing (me no cad draw), it needs a frame & stencil like bars for the "o", basically a 2d dwg of a plate with cut out letters & hole for keyring (protruding in a lobe maybe or on corner ?).

I was thinking the goats head or whole goat maybe as a desk trinket, could be sweet.

autexousious ago

Ah, I'm sorry, my mind's been stuck on 3d printing. I'm not familiar with the requirements you're talking about, will look into it tomorrow if I have time.

AliveInTheFuture ago

Who would want to be identified as a bigot in public? A MAGA hat would go nicely with the keychains.

Rotteuxx ago

A bigot ? I though we were Nazis...

Brain activating

"NiggerFaggot" keychains !

HarveyHarveyJones ago

Sign me up. Keychains all the way!

9141747? ago

...................Ahem. Dildoes? Asking for @Trigglypuff.

Rotteuxx ago

Now this is something to look into !

Heck, why not a modular design you can assemble/modify to fit your mood. The R&D could be... intensive ,)

Cyclops winky is copyrighted fyi

guinness2 ago

Sometimes I get so angry that I can't see... so your modular design needed accommodate that mood.

9142308? ago

Ha, but is for Triggles. (: what's r&d?

(,

Rotteuxx ago

The most important part, research & development •)

artfullyours ago

I'd love a keychain!

scrimmmy ago

I may have materials to donate. I might be mistaken, but I think I have some 321 left over.

scrimmmy ago

Ill take one.

Rotteuxx ago

Thank you for choosing the Order by comment option.

You order for :

  • 1x Foot tall VoatGoat mascot, brushed stainless steel

has been received. Please make payment within 24hrs for processing to go through in a timely fashion.

Regards,

The /v/welding staff.

scrimmmy ago

Best customer service ever.

digitalentity1497 ago

You already sold one!

Rotteuxx ago

A life sized stainless steel VoatGoat ?

Sweet, couldn't wait for someone to finance that !

digitalentity1497 ago

I meant the key chain....lol

Hell ago

I'm on it boss.

Rotteuxx ago

Sweet, I could do pricing within a few hours of getting that :)

SeanBox ago

Read his username and then re-read your last comment.

Rotteuxx ago

Kek

Hell ago

But seriously, I worked it AutoCAD for about 12 years so I can whip something up.

Edit: Anyone got a good link to the logo? Could probably do the goat, too.

Rotteuxx ago

Check the links at the bottom of the page, I think it might be in there

Hell ago

Cheers, I'll check it out.

OzarkMountainMan ago

An auction of a stainless guitar? You did that.

Deplorable_Me ago

Stainless Guitar? Gimme that!

Rotteuxx ago

https://imgtc.com/a/eQsSQgkWxW

http://m.imgur.com/a/WFa4t

I have 2 more albums but they were on sli.mg, I'll repost them at some point... one of those is a 12 string

8non ago

Managed to get a copy via clipconverter - http://www.clipconverter.cc/download/u4V0K3TV/0/

Sounds nice though I mainly play an electric (MX HSS Strat).

Rotteuxx ago

Thx ! Most people expect a Dobro sound or something like a tin can with strings. I always enjoy peoples reaction when they play on one.

Lemongarb ago

How does it sound? Is there a way I can hear it?

Rotteuxx ago

There's a link to a short video in the first album, last line of the album description. Just an open string strum, I ain't good enough a player to record myself & post it.

Deplorable_Me ago

From deep in Godin country. I am humbled by your talent and skill sir.

Rotteuxx ago

I appreciate your kind words, thank you

Rotteuxx ago

Yes, that is a definite possibility !

Pretty sure I have all the materials on hand except for a few trinkets.

Reddit_traitor ago

this ^^^. we could have went full pbs donation drive with this. I'm going to donate some bitcoin as soon i find where i stored my wallet. i don't want my personal info here.

Cynabuns ago

Bitcoin link is dead but I've read you can head to a store and buy-and-load money on a disposable Visa or MasterCard. I've messaged Putts to check on this though.

Edited to strike and update that PuttitOut has updated the bitcoin link on the front page!

RedPillEh ago

Why is the bitcoin link dead? I would donate bitcoin.

I would prefer to donate ether.

Cynabuns ago

I just updated my comment... Putts update the bitcoin link after my comment yesterday so what you see is now current.

cynicaloldfart ago

I asked him about that before, and he didn't seem like that was a viable option. Hope he can find a non-bitcoin option as I think it would generate a lot of funding. I'm more than wanting to donate, but I won't start bit-coining and don't want my info exposed. There has to be a way. Put on the thinking cap Putt.

Cynabuns ago

Hey if you happen to try that disposable credit card option, will you let me know how that works, send me a PM if you would. If it works well enough, I can ask PuttitOut to write something up like this for other Voaters.

9141744? ago

Have you seen Empress's thread yet? Probably have. Someone else made one as well. Both tried the pre-paid credit cards and both confirmed it works.

Cynabuns ago

I got the ping and I did see Empress' thread - thanks for following up :)

heretolearn ago

is there a link for donations.

Cynabuns ago

Go to the bottom of every page on the site and click "donate" or click this copy-pasta: https://store.voat.co/donations :)

heretolearn ago

Thank you.

cynicaloldfart ago

I can't find it, but in a previous sticky I asked him about this and he said it just couldn't be done. He gave some reasons why that I didn't really understand but the gist was it just wouldn't work. I think it was because it would dox him and/or his location if he did it. I'd do it in a heartbeat if he can come up with any way to anon send money. Here's hoping there's a way.

HashTagFU ago

Monero is anonymous. Buy bitcoin, convert to monero, send to voat account. Full disclosure : I have some monero.

cynicaloldfart ago

The whole point of my comment was a NON-bc, anon way to donate. But thanks.

HashTagFU ago

You can't stay tech ignorant anymore if you want to live in the 21st century. Getting BC isn't that hard. Sign up for an account on coinbase, transfer some cash and buy bitcoin. Tain't that hard.

cynicaloldfart ago

You do you, I'm just fine, thank you.

HashTagFU ago

Not really. You've expressed interest in an anonymous means of donating but don't have a solution.

Here's an idea: Put cash in an envelope and mail it to Putt. The pony express will deliver it in mere weeks iffa they can travel as the crow flies.

cynicaloldfart ago

Wrong, buddy. Another goat came through, instead of just whining and trying to feel superior.

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1866405

HashTagFU ago

I'm not your buddy, pal. And I wasn't trying to feel superior. I clearly am superior. Putz.

cynicaloldfart ago

But still wrong.

HashTagFU ago

Yes, give $4.00 to a credit card company for the privilege of donating $5 to voat. Haha. Seems yain't too good with them maths grandpa.

sakuramboo ago

Well, this sucks.

Rummel ago

Any chance Voat could use a blockchain type of deal to keep alive if the worst happens?

I think it's possible to have a website running on a blockchain, but I'm not sure of the semantics.

I would gladly host a node if so. This is the last place on the Internet that doesn't fucking suck. One thing about this idea is voat would not operate on the clear Internet any longer, I believe there are browser plug ins that you need to access .bit domains so it could be as simple as that.

Edit: shameless headline for visibility

@puttitout

djsumdog ago

There are things like IPFS and ZeroNet, but neither are really adapted to the scale of Voat. It'd require a lot of new development. ZeroNet still has several unaddressed security issues and not enough devs.

Distributed private networks at scale are going to look more like FreeNet, which is slow and limited.

TheTrigger ago

Have you used Freenet, lately? I have it a go, on a virtual machine, a few weeks ago. It'd been a while and wanted to see how it was doing. Aside from all the kiddie porn, it was actually pretty fast. Not sure how voat would be able to run on there, though. Not sure if sites can be updated quickly enough to support real-time conversations.

But it's definitely better than nothing. Distributed hosting might just be the only way to go.

poodog ago

It's fast cause of all the FBI nodes hosting kiddie porn and tracking your ass

TheTrigger ago

As long as you're not the one downloading any of it. AFAIK, it's distributed, so you'll likely have a least random portions of that stuff on your cache file. However, it's all super encrypted and you don't even have access to it anyways unless you were specifically looking for that content through the browser itself. So I don't see what you're talking about.

It's fast because a lot of people are using it. The more people use it, the faster it goes. Even on voat, there's random jailbait shit. Like most people, though, you either just don't go to those subs or already have them blocked.

poodog ago

I thought all the jailbait shit got banned super early on

Never seen it on here

suramartian ago

Aside from all the uh... what? That's a pretty fucking major problem...

I would never visit a site where that was even a risk.

TheTrigger ago

I didn't actually go to any of those sites. But they're there, in search engines and link-indexing/categorizing sites. My point is, they probably congregate there for a reason. Obviously you wouldn't let that stuff on voat there, same as we already do here.

0011011000111001 ago

I wouldn't know how to host a node.. but if you mean running a server at home and keeping it online all the time I could do that.

Rummel ago

Essentially, yes. We could bypass the money problem if voat decentralized entirely. If putting something like voat on the blockchain is possible that is.

I want this guy to play golf again and have voat running at the same time.

SeptemberVirgin ago

You people watch too much silcon valley

go1dfish ago

http://getaether.net is a project with these goals but never really seemed to take off.

IMO this is because it required client software. If something like this is to succeed it needs to be HTTP accessible, federated servers backed by a blockchain or something like that IMO.

I think ethereum could be a useful tool to build something like this but i need to learn a lot more before I could start on something like that.

Neongreen ago

Block chain is the only thing that keeps it cheap and uncensored. I must agree with this @puttitout god knows the upfront cost.

0011011000111001 ago

Me too, Atko and Putt have put a lot of time into this site.

go1dfish ago

I've been considering looking into ethereum development to do something like this. But I'm not sure if it's really practical for comment oriented discussions.

Any goats more well versed in ethereum that could speak to the feasibility of this?

I love Voat, and I will donate more to help keep it afloat.

But I've always seen it as a temporary outpost at best, until a truly decentralized uncensorable crypto-anarchistic forum arises.

pembo210 ago

If you're doing actions(posts/comms/votes/edits) as transactions, then you can only do 15 things per second.

go1dfish ago

Is that true of "events" in ethereum which are not permanent?

Still only vaguely aware of ethereum concepts, but it seems there is an event system that only lasts 2 days instead of permanently and is much cheaper.

pembo210 ago

I've just starting looking through it myself. I just remember that number from some of the bitcoin scaling discussions I've seen.

RiverWind ago

EtherBBS is a forum based on the Ethereum blockchain.

go1dfish ago

Does it have any traction? Web clients?

RiverWind ago

There is a sort of client.

RiverWind ago

One interesting aspect of the EtherBBS system is how it makes the users pay for the cost of the processing. The "price of gas" varies according to the value of Ether at the time.

"--------------------------------------------------

EtherBBS is a decentralized, antispam forum system.

Reading EtherBBS is free. But to post, a user:

1) must pay a fee plus one-time gas costs for the creating a user account. The account fee will will be automatically calculated from tx.gasprice to account for ether price volatility. 2) must pay gas costs for posting, plus a nominal system maintainance fee that is used for garbage-collecting understaked user accounts. (more on that in #3). The maintainance fee will be automatically calculated from tx.gasprice to account for ether price volatility. 3) must maintain a "staking" ether account balance above a floor, to prove that they have stake in the well-being of the Ethereum system. In most cases, this should be a different ether account than the one the users pays for posts with. Floor is decided by vote every 6 months, which brings me to.. 0) A voting period to decide the initial staking floor will occur in the month leading up to the launch of EtherBBS. When the voting time is up, the floor will be set and the BBS will become active and usable."

go1dfish ago

Yeah that's about how I expected something like this would work.

I'd want to build a web frontend at least for reading and preferably for writing as well though.

The idea being anyone could spin up a web frontend to the discussion boards, and possibly even let people participate freely on the network through those servers and limited by IP.

RiverWind ago

Hosting Voat and keeping control of it in its earlier stages was vital and has helped a lot. Now is time to progress.

Politicians love a crisis, as it is the perfect excuse/opportunity to do what they really wanted to do. Voat should try and think the same way.

The reason why Eddit's costs are so high, are because it is Centralised. Eddit likes that. They want to keep it that way, as in so doing, they keep power, and can censor.

Voat is quite the opposite. Instead of wanting power, Voat wants to empower. Voat would, I think, love to decentralize: Less costs for Voat; Less hierarchical; stronger; more Free.

The way news and discussion evolves means that not every part of Voat and every user needs to be all looking at the same Voat at the same time. It is a bit like the world.Some places are more advanced than others. Some cities get Fibre Optic before others. Eventually, hopefully, everybody will get the technology or hear the news. That could ease Voat's burden too, as there is less time pressure. Processing work and file transfer could take place when it suits Voat.

Anyway, using the Ethereum block chain would be terrific. I hope that /v/ether gets active in this.

It will be great, go1dfish!

go1dfish ago

I love your enthusiasm here but to keep things grounded in reality you should know that distributing such a system actually will likely make it more expensive on the whole.

So expensive that it may well require actually spending small amounts cryptocurrency to post on such a network.

What it does do is distribute those (likely larger) costs widely enough that they don't fuck with anyone's golf habit, and tends to force people to contribute in proportion to their use of such a network.

Using ethereum lets us piggyback some of those costs onto the rest of the ethereum network which is kind of the point of it.

Looks like there are a few projects with similar goals already that could prove to be a basis for this sort of thing:

https://github.com/kayagoban/etherbbs

https://github.com/yep/eth-tweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivkBxkSTCMQ

@puttitout parent comment is part of why I keep bugging to ask you what makes Voat expensive.

This sort of tech could spread the data layer out across a wider network (all ethereum miners) and geeks like you and I would spin up frontends to this network that would exist as HTTP sites.

Federating the content so that if any single web frontend goes down, the data is still there for anyone to pick up and keep spreading.

Federating the content so that no single frontend has absolute censorship control, though it would be possible for each frontend to implement their own content filtering to censor things like CP links which could end up being a very real problem with a system like this.

It's kind of pie in the sky, but if our goal is the long term preservation of a strong free speech in an internet commons I think this is the right approach.

RiverWind ago

The EtherBBS system has micro-payments to post, as you mentioned. These are considered advantageous.

1) A one off charge of Ether to establish an account.
2) Micro-Payments for each comment.
3) A sufficient balance in the account.

Little in life is something for nothing/a free lunch. An Ethereum based system acknowledges that. The people who run Voat using Ethererum, could take a percentage of the payments to make things worthwhile for them and in compensation for less time on the golf course. The payments also act as a good deterrent against spam and "shitposts". It wouldn't deter all spam, but you would be getting some payment from it.

Of course, 100% gratis is great, but even now, there is a need to ask for donations. It doesn't work.

You have a lot of good will behind you. If you make a request to the community, I am sure that they will donate some time, money, skills, energy, knowledge.

speakoutforamerica ago

Another dev here - I'd learn up on Ether and help you with it if you get serious.

go1dfish ago

None of those projects I linked to even has a solid frontend that can be used without extra software.

So as a first step I may try to set up a gateway to either etherbbs, eth-tweet or both to get started.

Truffle seems highly relevant to my interests:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPP6uAq15d8

The youtube video I linked to is very promising but i can't find any actual software or site, I'm trying to reach out to that guy to see if any progress has been made on it.

Rummel ago

Someone get in touch with this guy if you can help him develop something like this, he's a smart cookie.

MrPim ago

Driving some of those fags away was needed.

hyldaco ago

Don't feel bad about asking for donations. It's really the only way to continue without relying on advertisers that will want censorship like reddit has.

C'mon goats! We can do this! Run to the bank if you need to first and deposit cash (like this goat), or use bitcoin... Whatever you need to do, but even small donations add up. And keep donating every month until another solution presents itself.

Edit: left out a word.

9140045? ago

Non-invasive advertising is fine with me. No flashing or brightly colored banners taking up a significant part of the page. I'm fine with text or small neutral images, which could bring in significant money.

hyldaco ago

I don't mind that either, but if the advertisers start having an impact on the content or freedom of expression like they did with reddit, that's a problem. And precisely what many of us came to Voat to avoid.

suramartian ago

Funding is a ransom on free speech

Empire_of_the_mind ago

Users here like that it's a directly-funded model. We don't want to be the product.

9138504? ago

It was a nice run.

Selfpropelled ago

Call Tim Allen.

OzarkMountainMan ago

You are being a faggot at a bad time. Kike out on us latter.

9138487? ago

Goats, I know many of you are atheists but I believe in the power of prayer. Please pray for Voat's future and that it finds the angel it so desperately needs.

MrPim ago

Well fuck. We all knew this was a possibility at some point. You niggers have been one of my favorite web communities. 🐐

crazy_eyes ago

Don't feel bad asking for donations, us goats love this place, and will do what we can to keep it.

tnargkiller ago

I've always been more of a lurker here but I'd definitely be willing to put forth a bit, anything to help.

TAThatBoomerang ago

The point is that donations is not usually a regular and steady form of income, which Voat needs.

tnargkiller ago

It's more of a rescue boat than anything, but hey, sometimes a rescue boat can get you to someone who can help.

HeavyBrain ago

Would really like to contribute too but I have no way to use bitcoin or Paypal.

Feels bad.

HeavyBrain ago

Thanks for the link, I looked into it, tunrs out those pre paid gift cards were taken off the market in my country cuz muhhh money laundering.

Fuck that.

Kael_thas_Sunstrider ago

how are you unable to access the both of them? Sounds more like an excuse to not donate?

HeavyBrain ago

Its 50/50 I dont want to set up paypal because I dont trust them and dont want to give my data.

And I am too stupid to figure out bitcoin.

If stuff like Paysafe was possible I would donate right now.

Kael_thas_Sunstrider ago

fuck paypal indeed, and there is no hard part about BTC unless you are coding with blockchain tech

Conde_Nast ago

Whatever the admins do, please don't sell the site to me.

Donbuster ago

Hell, between Conde Nast and sane, I'll take sane...

0011011000111001 ago

I wouldn't have an issue with them asking for donations like Wikipedia does.

Trevelyan-s_corn ago

Just an easy way to set a paypal monthly subscription/donations.

Datawych ago

Anybody with some decent woodworking skills who's willing to make and sell Voat-themed shields?

A few dudes with helmets and sticks is intimidating, but this is way more intimidating.

baneofretail ago

I could probably start, I just build my workbench but would need to build a jig to mass produce.

BigFatDaddy ago

Closure?

Well... That sucks.

SeanBox ago

We're not all bound by logic and reason. What's done is done.

antiliberalsociety ago

Don't get investors, that'll kill the free speech. Maybe something like gold?

Datawych ago

Voat Brown - for shit posts.

thrus ago

Say gold is $20 (I'm making up a number) if it lasts for a year you would need to have 330 new signups a month or about 4000 a year to keep going at current costs /v/whatever currently has 7194 subscribers with 531 on right now to give an idea of how many people that would be vs traffic we see. Plus that is not something that Putt can be dependent on as it will spike and lull.

Crensch ago

Goat Horns. Fuck gold -that's alien shit.

Thisismyvoatusername ago

Eh, I don't know goat horns are well known as the sign of a cuckold. As much as I love the goat motif on voat, being given a pair of horns wouldn't sit quite right.

Crensch ago

Eh, I don't know goat horns are well known as the sign of a cuckold

Apparently not well known enough for me to have known. Well, fuck. Goathead? maybe just a little full goat icon?

Or maybe we could take it back, like "porch monkey" in Clerks 2.

Crensch ago

At $5 a pop, 1,320 Goat Horns would need bought for the usage costs.

At $20/month for 5 Goat Horns + to-be-released-benefits, only 330 goats would need to subscribe.

Have a system-run subverse that can hit "all" where GHd comments and submissions are on display, and instead of, or in addition to the highlighted subverse, have the top GHd comment/submission on the front of /all no matter what for X amount of time.

For $50/month have your username made a different color for your posts/comments so people can see that you heavily support voat without having to click on your username.

Only 132 goats would need to subscribe to that for the month's costs. Maybe another one for 100? 66 goats.

Some combination of all of these would likely work to bring us close to server-cost levels.

Start monetizing this shit like FTP video games.

Crensch ago

Instead of/in addition to a sidebar advertisement, sell space right below our comments. "This comment brought to you by XX YY, XX YY may not, and probably does not support the content, but supports the user's right to post their thoughts!"

A top-spot on /all for adverts. I'd click on and consider any company's ads that run here.

Both of these won't be adblocked by ublock origin and the like. I'm OK with whomever wants to advertise in these ways, and they ought to be happy that you're advertising them natively on your site and not getting adblocked and risking malware clicks.

0011011000111001 ago

Holy shit.

This isn't good.

Voat is my home!

I've donated a bit in the past but I can only donate so much.

baneofretail ago

Donate 10 bucks and skip your lattee. I just did.

9138794? ago

Can you spare $5/month? You have no idea the difference this would make if you and many others paid that manual subscription.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee ago

WIll be done today...

0011011000111001 ago

I signed up for the $5 a month thing when I first joined but I am in a finical crisis right now so I had to cut the expense.

9139331? ago

Good on you for trying it while you could. Don't put yourself into any holes on Voat's behalf. Thank you for thinking of Voat.

pangaea ago

Would switching to open source software be a possibility to cut costs?

lbruiser ago

It's not the license, it's the host. No matter where they go they will still need some powerful servers to host this site. At most it would reduce the cost some, but not enough.

pangaea ago

The hosting alone costs nowhere near $6500/month I'm sure.

0011011000111001 ago

It is most likely software licenses kicking in.

lbruiser ago

I can only go off of what PuttItOut says. However we do have a ton of traffic so I could see it. However my information comes from AWS and not Azure.

pangaea ago

My personal server costs ~$12/month for hosting + ~$12/year for domain renewal and no other expenses since I use only open source software but that is for a small personal server that is used to share images on Voat (specs: dual core CPU, 2 GB RAM, 500 GB storage, unmetered bandwidth). I've seen some good size websites run on ~$100/month servers though, using all open source software. This gets you terabytes of storage and like 32GB of RAM. This might be able to run Voat but I don't know the exact requirements.

WhiteRonin ago

Bandwidth? I wonder how much data this site pushes out each month.

pangaea ago

My server is unmetered and I'm sure you could get bigger unmetered servers too

WhiteRonin ago

This is a good to hear.

thrus ago

That requires re writing things and takes development resources, long term it may save money but upfront it is a cost sink for staff time and something that putt may not have working alone. It is good to think reducing long term but with something like this I get the impression short term is going to have to happen first like the server reduction putt mentioned.

Salicaz ago

:(

corpusant ago

I'm simply a poor bastard; is there something we can do? Can we sell memorabilia? T shirts? Can we add a patreon? You put no links above. How can I help? What about simple banner ads with no tracking?

Cacciaguida ago

opening up a small store to sell memorabilia to pay for maintenance is a great idea.

glugglug ago

This needs to be sticked/edited into the top message.

ScottRockview ago

Fuck.

1moar ago

Sumbich.

9138433? ago

I don't know what I would do without this place. :[

I'm donating right now. I should have long ago.

NassTee ago

Have you considered setting up a patreon?

fagnig ago

Chuck C Johnson could host a crowdfunding campaign: https://www.wesearchr.com/

neogag ago

  • What kind of product licensing? Please tell me you aren't paying for Microsoft SQL Server. Replace all those licensed products with open source equivalents.

  • Maybe silly suggestion, as I haven't seen your codebase: benchmark and optimize so you can use cheaper hardware to host this thing.

djsumdog ago

It's all written in C# and runs on .NET:

https://github.com/voat/voat

I was surprised when I first saw it years ago. Voat could save quite a bit on licensing by moving to .NET Core Docker containers. Microsoft has an office SQL Server Docker container as well (although I'm not sure if you can get production licensing for it; I just use it for integration testing).

Zorton ago

Is Mono an option these days, seems like the M$ tax could be destroyed that way.....

PuttItOut ago

The code has just recently gotten to a place where we can optimize it. It is on our list but we need staff, it's simply too much for me to continue doing alone. So, if funding does happen, this will be one of the first things done.

We have been working our data access code to be able to port to pg, but to answer your question, sql is not a significant cost for us right now. This will not always be the case.

0011011000111001 ago

There are a lot of really smart people on Voat. Would you be willing to allow help the community? Make a post asking for coders/developers to optimize the code?

SeptemberVirgin ago

There are a lot of really smart people on Voat.

I've yet to find them.

RiverWind ago

This is a great suggestion.

Enough people have seen Voat in action now for users to have great ideas for Voat 2.0. Also, there are likely to be sufficiently technical people here to know how best to implement such suggestions.

I think the thing to do would be to recruit brains from the right places. Define the skeleton around which discussion could take place. Characterise the types of topics that need attention and set some goals accordingly.

go1dfish ago

sql is not a significant cost for us right now. This will not always be the case.

What is? bandwidth? CPU?

sakuramboo ago

Bandwidth is always the killer. Storage is always pretty cheap, especially on AWS.

neogag ago

The site is all text which compresses well with gzip, so I wonder if it really is bandwidth that's the issue. He mentioned licenses, I'm dying to find out what product licenses!

sakuramboo ago

Text doesn't get compressed when transmitted, though. And, with the added SSL layer, that's even more.

Bandwidth is always the cost killer of any site, unless you are a specialized company dealing in big data or data processing, etc. You pay for every bit that goes in and out of your network. So, that asshole who hits F5 for 2 hours because you called him a lame-ass, unless your site has a free caching service, you are paying for that.

Yes, licensing costs are also a huge factor, but not as bad as it was 15 years ago. However, I do agree that porting everything to Linux/PHP/Postgres would be a pretty big cost savings, too (though, not as much as one would think. Azure/AWS is still pretty cheap).

heebykikeburger ago

Could a restful/dumb backend with something like React on the client save a shitload of bandwidth?

neogag ago

I'm launching a service soon and that's what we're doing. There is no need for complex abstractions on the server side (MVC); Microsoft platforms encourage that, but it's a huge hindrance and reduces productivity.

If you go with REST, you can go stateless (JWT) and not maintain session on the server at all. This lets you scale horizontally very easily.

heebykikeburger ago

Nice very modern.

neogag ago

Gzip does compress the request/response payload before transmission and it gets decompressed when it reaches its destination (browser/server), so it does reduce bandwidth usage, very significantly on a pure text site like this.

This page, for example, gets reduced by a whopping 85% thanks to gzip. https://checkgzipcompression.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvoat.co%2Fv%2Fannouncements%2F1866053%2F9138900

neogag ago

  • Again, maybe a silly suggestion: you could also go for auto-scaling hosting. AWS has that, it's not too hard to setup and will scale down hardware automatically depending on the amount of traffic you get

  • Use Async everywhere to serve more requests while IO operations are happening

  • What kind of staff/contributors are needed? Maybe we could get people from v/programming to help out. My spare time is very fragmented, is there a way to contribute for someone who has numerous small irregular blocks of time?

  • edit: Also ditch Comodo SSL certificate, Let's Encrypt is free and easy as hell to set up!

edit2:

  • Double cache duration on up/downvoats

  • Enable HTTP2, it multiplexes frequent requests using a persistent connection

RiverWind ago

AWS could be a stop-gap. If desperate, they have an options where you can choose processing as it becomes available, but not on a guaranteed basis.

9138417? ago

contract expired huh?

next time dont sell out.

Grifter42 ago

Agreed. Putt played faggot games and won faggot prizes. I told him that SBBH would run this site into the ground, and they are.

6double5321 ago

Well shit...