Official Canary Notice (announcements)

submitted ago by Voat

We have had 0 (zero) gag orders, National Security requests, FISA orders, injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, nor any free-speech prohibiting sanction against us, nor against Voat, nor against any signed-in user of Voat, nor against any guest user of Voat.

Please refer to the Last edit time for the most recent effective date of this notice.

YouDontKnowMeMan ago

I appreciate this service.

Drkadrka ago

Is there a standard period of time that the Canary is updated/edited? Like if it goes over a week is that a red flag?

nutflix ago

Where can I see last edit time? I'm on mobile if it makes any difference

snowmelts ago

Depending on your mobile browser but with Firefox click the 3 dot menu and check off "Request Desktop Site". You can then see the sidebar.

Rakosman ago

That's what I was wondering, too

Edit: derp, it's in the sidebar

julian_assanger ago

Oh you fa-- ... crazy ol' so-and-so!

julian_assanger ago

Amazingly, no one has told me to kill myself yet.

(Wait for it...)

julian_assanger ago

Haha here's what's sad, I left Reddit partly because I was getting so much shits for not having a history to match my tenure (5 years, I think). In many subs I'd be banned outright, or deemed ineligible to participate. I was called paranoid, a creep, etc... This was probably four years ago, and it seems blanked histories are way more common now.

Also, has it been stated for how long data is retained?

SpicySphincter ago

America is no longer the country it once was. 25 years ago, my family left the Soviet Union for the USA because of ussr's corrupt government harassment on our religious freedoms that we were "granted". Sadly, no American with a straight face, can now state they are in the land of the free. Our freedoms are an illusion granted to us by our Orwellian government.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell

connecteduser ago

Let natural selection take place and let it die.

MadMonkey ago

VOAT ISN'T COMPROMISED.

Trumpwon-suckit ago

I used to believe that, not so much these days.

MadMonkey ago

I think it has. @puttitout has been posting a bunch, I even commented to him. But alas there has been no update.

Ziekk ago

We're safe!

MadMonkey ago

Amen! Hallelujah!

MadMonkey ago

Uh oh boys

gauss_markov ago

The wild west of Voat has now ended. RIP

SaneGoatiSwear ago

@atko @puttitout i am pinging you on the official canary notice with witnesses @kevdude @homersimpson @inhysterics this canary has 1 day to be clicked or voat's canary must be considered dead and voat served.

this witnessed notification serves as helpful proof that you were notified and reminded with plenty of time to click this canary and that failure to do so must be considered that you/voat have been served.

7541638? ago

No answer is an answer itself. They have been asked numerous times. @atko @puttitout

SaneGoatiSwear ago

no answer is an answer itself

no andyes. in reality, the "specific silence" is the ONLY ANSWER WE EVER GET IF THERE'S NO CANARY... THE CANARY TELLS US WITHOUT A FUCKING DOUBT VOAT'S BEEN SERVED.

IT'S 100% OFFICIAL; VOAT'S BEEN SERVED.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

2 days to press @puttitout

ashekchum ago

Update?

eBev ago

I'm grabbing onto the sides of the boat and praying for smooth sailing.

Zezz ago

Hey guys how's it goin? It seems a little smokey here....

Bilbo_Swaggins ago

How often do you update this?

uk7zgzB66VPq ago

Oh good, we're still OK.

phenomenaldouche ago

So, last edit time is up to 7 hours ago now, at what point do we assume the site is fully in the hands of crooked Hillary's jackbooted thought police?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

the bot absolutely ruins the point, unless the BOT is designed to have to be i dunno, restarted every month

but that isn't a forward-facing switch... it's at the back and we'd just have to take their word for it.

i 100% say manual press edit, press save 1nc a month.

answermarket ago

Fuck tha police!

SaneGoatiSwear ago

did putt reduce the bot time to 2 hours or something? LIKE WE WOULDN'T NOTICE?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

this eventually will be the most viewed page on voat. callin' it rite now.

Scine ago

You motherfuckers. I like you!

CivetGenet ago

But this is something that's actually important, rather than a petty preference. Please either kill yourself, or open your eyes and improve your comprehension of the situation.

go1dfish ago

For a warrant canary to be effective it needs a regular update interval.

At what internal will this post be updated?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i am the most vocal goat about the issue, and putt named me pr goat. edit: i wrote the new canary as well - although it's been edited down...

one, the other, or both. not even sure, myself.

p.s. i am a goat on antarctica.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

if a human has to turn the bot on every every month and it runs for a few hours..... ok, a human is doing it...

but this would all have to be explicitly written out on the canary, imho.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

@puttitout is a bot refreshing this. this means the canary is dead. it must be edit/saved BY YOU OR ATKO once a month. NOT ever by a bot. a bot is not a being, thus can be made to lie. hell they could gag you right now and the bot could just keep edit/saving forever.

ForteanMobius ago

Can I get this Tweeted?

SzarHazy69 ago

What's the longest it's gone without being updated? 20+ min since I last checked.

aria_taint ago

We need to do a better job!

Galvanized_Dreamer ago

That makes sense, thank you for the explanation.

Galvanized_Dreamer ago

I actually am unfamiliar with the term, would you (Or someone familiar) mind elaborating on the definition?

905 ago

Why do you ask about undeleting your accounts? If you are asking if they can be undeleted, there is no reason for that, I'm sure they are stored in an old Voat backup. The question should be how long does Voat keep backups?

TheDude2 ago

I love that we can find some fucked up sinister meaning no matter how they state it.

p0ssum ago

You forgot to ping everyone @SaneGoatISwear @EveryMotherFuckerOutThere!

p0ssum ago

Dear god, an intelligent comment, bravo sir!

SaneGoatiSwear ago

@puttitout serious question is a bot continually edit/saving this?

p0ssum ago

LEAVE NOW, WHILE YOU CAN THE FBCIDAFBRNG IS ON THE WAY!!!!

CivetGenet ago

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, faggot

p0ssum ago

Thank you! You make voat great, your insightful comments will surely result in a v/bestof !

SaneGoatiSwear ago

wait... have you made this thing just keep on edit/saving?? or are you actually doing stuff??????

p0ssum ago

QUICK, THE GIDA IS ON TO US, EXCUTE PLAN GA486NB!!!!

CivetGenet ago

Thanks for you contribution to the discussion, nigger.

p0ssum ago

Thank you for making voat a better place!

mHtt ago

Original text:

We have had 0 (zero) gag orders, National Security requests, FISA orders, injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, nor any free-speech prohibiting sanction against us, nor against Voat, nor against any signed-in user of Voat, nor against any guest user of Voat.

Please refer to the Last edit time for the most recent effective date of this notice.

as of Fri Oct, 07. 2016 - 0630HRS GMT

SaneGoatiSwear ago

what are these edddittsS?

p0ssum ago

AHHH THE PBIVIS AGENTS HAVE ME, ALERT THE ADMINS!

SaneGoatiSwear ago

@puttitout

  1. strike "had" third word OR add at the end "., up to the last edit time."

  2. add ", inc." after "Voat" twice (first two "Voat"s)

  3. add ".co" after the third and final "Voat".

  4. state timeframe as to when to consider canary dead. standard: one month.

"editing" requires you click edit and click save, right? and clicking save is considered publishing a statement, yes? this is excellent.

PuttItOut ago

We will clean it up a bit more soon. Thanks for the feedback.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i just wanna be a good goat in a good voat u see my pm?

it's a good communications idea from the prgoat!

PuttItOut ago

You are my second favorite Voat user now.

HomerSimpson ago

I better be the first or someone is going to get cut

p0ssum ago

You must have a really low threshold ;-)

SaneGoatiSwear ago

<3

piratse ago

....If you got a gag order....wouldn't it be illegal to post a warrant canary update? I'm actually asking.

Fahrvergnaked ago

That's the point, you look for the canary, if it isn't there you know something is up, since it is done manually each time, it just doesn't get written the last time. it's not so much an update, but a failure to update.

piratse ago

But wouldn't the fact that they have to write one make it untrustworthy? If the FBI was here telling them to post a canary that said nothing was happening.....I doubt they would fight that.

Yesnomaybeidontknow ago

..they don't have to write anything.

If there's been some sort of secret subpoena, which voat couldn't reveal to the public, then the warrant canary will be removed. So, for now, they are saying "We haven't had any blablabla. They haven't asked us for user information" (or w/e). If they do get subpoenaed, they can't say "Ok guys, FBI asked us for shit" because it's secret. So what they do instead is just remove the notice which doesn't technically mean they're disclosing FBI contact, they're just not denying it anymore.

piratse ago

I understand. But it's not like the FBI, CIA, etc are stupid. If they really wanted, they would just tell them to post a canary that says nothing has changed. I just don't understand the point if it's an admin written update. That is EASILY compromised.

Lord--Gaben ago

they can't compel you to lie

piratse ago

Yeah..... the government has never done that....

googlehangoutsnow ago

is this the url for the canary notice or is there another one.

6504077? ago

That's the one. It's basically the same one from the "New Moderator Permission Sets" announcement, just made a permanent post so that they can avoid having to copy-paste the giant thing over and over again, instead just hitting "Edit" and "Save changes" whenever they want to update it.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

+1 good edits. nice and solid.

working on trap/honeypot? or should i?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

LOL NO EDIT LOG.

6690737? ago

Check the sidebar. There is a new feature that tells you the latest edit time for posts.

uk7zgzB66VPq ago

Yippeee!

elgindelta ago

Dicksout for @atko & @puttitout, and @cynabuns apparently?

FeelinFroggy ago

Yeah, okay, it can be out for that. Sure. Whatever.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

@virge, and voat, PRgoat here

puttitout has responded officially to my query about the missing honeypot/trap statement.

legally the words can be construed in different ways, and the statement wouldn't hold up with the rest.

hopefully, intelligent heads can come together and find the words in legalese to make this addendum a solid statement and get it up on the canary.

in any case, ALL data going through u.s. cables goes into NSA harddrives. ALL of it. webcams, audio and video from cellphones, emails, your porn. ALL of it gets recorded for an a.i. to go through and flag for human checking.

THAT SAID

the canary protects US in that it tells us that SPECIFIC things are being done to voat, if it dies - - which is a double edged sword, the more items we add, the less chance they'll do anything without us knowing, but also, the more items we add, the less sure WHICH of those things it is that just happened; it doesn't tell us about the general dragnet that is our nsa data collection program today, nor does it tell us if voat is a trap/honepot (although that's not been standard on any canaries i've ever seen)

so as atko says:

All in all, you need to make sure never to post any personally identifiable information on Voat or anywhere else online, if you want to stay anonymous. The internet is a dark mess with tracking beacons almost on every single website. Stay smart, and be your own privacy guard. We do everything we can to protect Voat and its data, but how do you know your ISP is not ratting you out?

My words and Putts words is all you have, but never rely on anyone to protect your privacy. Stay vigilant and do your part to protect yourself.

(i archived your link, atko :)

edit: comma and structure

really? downvoating prgoat relaying dev statements and further comment on voat's new warrant canary?

Donbuster ago

which is a double edged sword, the more items we add, the less chance they'll do anything without us knowing, but also, the more items we add, the less sure WHICH of those things it is that just happened;

In theory would a group of specific canaries solve this problem? Have a dedicated post with various bits of copypasta about each thing that gets posted every 4 weeks. If one canary dies that way, the rest don't go?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

yes, actually.

but then in practice, let's get this one canary right first. we need one of the owner/devs to click manually 1nc a month, not a bot.

p0ssum ago

really? downvoating prgoat relaying dev statements and further comment on voat's new warrant canary?

You deserve every down voat you get, regardless of why.

CivetGenet ago

People like you make Voat a bad place. The downvoat button should function as your personal "I dislike this statement/person" button. You are a self-entitled asshole if you think your opinions and feelings matter so much you need to push all of that onto another person and wield downvoats as a form of "punishment."

Go choke on a cock.

p0ssum ago

People like you make Voat a bad place.

Member for one month says ..... lol.

Also, isn't this you telling someone to kill themselves:

Please either kill yourself, or open your eyes

Really now, kill yourself, you can't be more original than that ... and I make voat a bad place. Got it.

The downvoat button should function as your personal "I dislike this statement/person" button. You are a self-entitled asshole if you think your opinions and feelings matter so much you need to push all of that onto another person and wield downvoats as a form of "punishment."

I can't downvoat you dribbling fucking moron, I don't have a enough karma .... durp.

Go choke on a cock.

More originality, you got that stuff in spades ... so to speak.

CivetGenet ago

I've been here longer for a month, accounts change.

I said that, after I made my actual statement. Forgive a little emotion in my writing. It's not as if you're any better.

You literally said "You deserve every down voat you get, regardless of why." Whether or not you can downvoat, it's PEOPLE LIKE YOU that make Voat a bad place.

Because you're so original yourself! Please stop attacking me as a person, it just shows you don't have an argument, and it's especially funny when all of your complaints can be turned back on you.

p0ssum ago

I've been here longer for a month, accounts change.

Sure sure, whatever, mines a year and half old, but ok.

I said that, after I made my actual statement. Forgive a little emotion in my writing. It's not as if you're any better.

Yes, proving people wrong, or worse yet, getting them downvoated is so much worse than telling people to kill themselves. You people are completely untethered by reality.

You literally said "You deserve every down voat you get, regardless of why." Whether or not you can downvoat, it's PEOPLE LIKE YOU that make Voat a bad place.

Ok, you can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. In fact, it's people like me that bring sanity to this shithole of fantasy.

Please stop attacking me as a person

Nobody said shit to you, YOU decided to insert yourself into this conversation by ATTACKING ME. Now you're going to tell me to stop attacking you? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sorry, this isn't your safe space son.

CivetGenet ago

If you cannot handle being told to "kys" on the internet, then I cannot imagine how you survived this long. In no world do I truly wish to see you commit suicide, I cannot even care that much, but of course rather than recognizing it for the petty insult it was you decide to take 100% seriously so that you can keep yammering about it.

It is not sanity to say, "I think you're a bad person, so no matter what you do every time you do something you should be punished for it."

Lol. I love how you focus so much on my insults and yet barely form a coherent thought in response to what I actually said. When I said that, I was saying, stop attacking ME and start actually giving me a reasonable response to what Im saying. But instead 80% of your replies are "WA WA YOU SAID MEAN THINGS WA WA THIS ISNT YOUR SAFE SPACE." Yes, Im the one who clearly needs a safe space.

p0ssum ago

If you cannot handle being told to "kys" on the internet, then I cannot imagine how you survived this long. In no world do I truly wish to see you commit suicide, I cannot even care that much, but of course rather than recognizing it for the petty insult it was you decide to take 100% seriously so that you can keep yammering about it.

I recognize an insult, my point was you are petty little bitch and I really have no desire to converse with you.

It is not sanity to say, "I think you're a bad person, so no matter what you do every time you do something you should be punished for it."

Oh, that couldn't possibly be sarcasm, or anything like that right ... right?!? You people are so funny, you're so quick to point out the splinter in another persons eye while overlooking the log in your own.

Lol. I love how you focus so much on my insults and yet barely form a coherent thought in response to what I actually said.

Except I did. I addressed every point you made. To recap:

People like you make Voat a bad place.

At which point I pointed out that you were a member for a month, and in the same thread told people to kill themselves. Joking or not, does that really bring anything to the conversation? Does it really add any value, I posit that it does not. Which was my point .... point addressed.

The downvoat button should function as your personal "I dislike this statement/person" button. You are a self-entitled asshole if you think your opinions and feelings matter so much you need to push all of that onto another person and wield downvoats as a form of "punishment."

At which point, I pointed out that I cannot downvoat. Point addressed.

Go choke on a cock.

As far as I can tell, this is the only "point" I didn't address. So let me do that here, so you feel better.

Go fist your mother.

So there is your reasonable response. I already gave it to you, but you were too fucking stupid to actually ascertain that from the words I use. Next time, I'll talk more like Trump, it'll be TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS I tell you, this fucking comment has been such a disaster, just a disaster. But, I, and only I can make it better, and so I have. My job is done.

ThizzBoss ago

Michael Obama is a tranny faggot gas the kikes kill all niggers white power nsa fags can't touch this

Donbuster ago

How long should we assume this canary is for?

Lobotomy ago

Well god damn it.

Baconmon ago

Cool.. Now where can we find the unofficial canary notice?.. ＞＿＞

Also, what are you guys (the users) going to do the day voat DOES get a national security request?.. The bigger voat gets, the more likely it is to happen..

p0ssum ago

Also, what are you guys (the users) going to do the day voat DOES get a national security request?.. The bigger voat gets, the more likely it is to happen..

You better believe every byte that travels to this site is archived somewhere already ... warrants don't mean shit.

common_sense ago

Please elaborate.

Also deleting your post history does nothing, if voat was compromised they would archive everything.

p0ssum ago

The idiots here really believe those words protect them, and no one is saving off this network traffic anywhere....

fujin ago

And of course @SaneGoatiSwear is nowhere to be found. By the time he does respond it will be something along the lines of "this isn't good enough, blah blah blah, WHY ARE THE ADMINS BEING MEAN TO ME!!!1" it's because he's Amalek and Amalek I'd never pleased.

CivetGenet ago

Half this thread is him continually responding to the changes.

common_sense ago

Except he has posted in this very thread before you commented this....

calliecat ago

If you omit the long middle part, the true meaning of this canary is clear: "we have HAD 0 (zero).... to the date of the last posting/updating of this notification". Since the last canary update, there has probably been a gag order, National Security Request, FISA order, injunction, etc. Very concerning.

Yesnomaybeidontknow ago

No...

Chiefpacman ago

Can you explain this canary in lamen terms? It's really starting to make me feel stupid.

Sanegoati tried explaining it. I'm familiar with canary in the coal mine metaphor. How is this post protecting future posts?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

sanegoat's fine.

if they gag our admins, we can never know.

so the admins always keep posting this

they can't be made to lie to us, so if they get gagged, the couldn't click the update anymore, cause that would be lying to us (gag's can compel you not to speak truth, but not to lie)

thus telling us without telling us there's been a gag.

HarveyHarveyJones ago

At this point i'm not even convinced atko is himself anymore. I can never say for sure like some other users on here. And it would be nice to get a poll going.... it'd be awful if atko really was just himself, just much busier with stupid shit to deal with from voat, possibly all sorts of outlets. The admins website had a big effect of the election imo. Let's say hillary/soros/royals/elite stepped in and asked questions, then demanded answers... maybe even action... but at what point do these people stop to think about consequences? No such point exists because they're busy wearing about their next move to stay clean. He might not be dead... and he may very well still be admin of the site... but how hard would it be to find someone who knows computer-savy Web design, whose code punchy, and can figure out how to seem real with his audience. Then again how hard is it to strike fear into someone who operates a site that was hosting explicit CP and maybe something to do with all the [_____]gates and hacking over emails. I imagine you make quite a few enemies when rejecting regulated moderation requests.

eBev ago

I'm considering this...maybe for a long time. Who'd emit the gag order?

Lag-wagon ago

Government?

Chiefpacman ago

I see

SaneGoatiSwear ago

glad i could help. now let's get them pressing it instead of this bot.

Chiefpacman ago

You actually explained it way better there.

But then you confused me again. Whats point of what you've described as a canary if a bots doing it?

Like how would it help us know they haven't been compromised?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

a gag compels you to not speak a truth (that you've been gagged, there's an investigation, etc)....

but can't force you to lie.

afaik bots don't apply

also, it's possible (although not proven) that for "national security" they can do what the fuck ever they want.

and remember this: all a canary does is tell us if something specific has happened to voat.

that we're all being spied on doesn't change. canaries don't protect us from spying or anything. all they do is notify US of something happening to voat/us where otherwise we would never ever know about it ever (which is bullshit).

Womb_Raider ago

How does this bot know the canary isn't dead? That seems suspicious

Chiefpacman ago

Spying in this context I mean

Chiefpacman ago

Define spying if you would sir.

I finally grasp it now I think

SaneGoatiSwear ago

there is 0 point if it's a bot, as that's not a person that 1. can be gagged. 2. can not be forced to lie (in a gag situation)

xXxWIRExXx ago

My thoughts exactly.

I would like to hear a ever in the statement.

Yesnomaybeidontknow ago

"We have had 0" = "We haven't had any". That means ever.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

welp, this is why making things like this needs to be a community effort, not just sanegoat!

version 2.0 "we have had 0 (zero) ... up to the date of the most recent posting/updating of this notification."

hmm... you'd think the "advisors" would have caught this one.

+100 for @calliecat

GIF-lLL-S0NG ago

we have had an alligator in our toilet, but we have 0 alligators in our toilet at the present moment. (((investigation must now be closed/over)))

eBev ago

Don't let go of the tail: Trump's cleaning the Swamp!

Bilbo_Swaggins ago

I wonder if there's ever been an alligator in my part of the toilet.

naptime_06 ago

point out the part that indicates this, please.

jeegte12 ago

take out your blacklight.

naptime_06 ago

stop being cryptic. it doesn't make you cool or smart, it makes you a smarmy prick. What is the wording that you're pointing to?

jeegte12 ago

it was a joke. jesus dude calm down. i didn't point out anything.

GoogleStoleMyBike ago

I also lost my blacklight.

goatsandbros ago

What about particular subverses? Do they come under "groups," or was a note about them excluded from the list for a reason?

HeavyBeefCurtain ago

WEW LADS IT'S SAFE TO CONTINUE SHITPOSTING!

iamzero ago

WEWWWW

googlehangoutsnow ago

You wouldn't happen to be an Austrlian?

dickfitswell ago

'Tips hat

TheBookWasBetter ago

'Tips fedora*

Islamiscancer ago

shoots a nigger

6503080? ago

Yeah, we got it

sinjinsmythe ago

Tips sand potatoe

fluxusp ago

I got an uncomfortable feeling from "official canary notice" but everything is OK. Good.

GIF-lLL-S0NG ago

You have reason to be worried. Compare the meaning of: 'We have 0" with "We have had 0".

SaneGoatiSwear ago

  1. the canary's only good up to the last posting. it's a semantic change. the sentence reduced reads "we have had 0 to the date of the last posting/updating of this notification."

  2. THAT SAID. there is something very ominous missing from this canary.

@puttitout OFFICIAL AND ONLY PING ABOUT THIS the canary is missing the honeypot/trap statement. OFFICIAL STATEMENT REQUIRED.

UPDATE: trap/honeypot aren't solid words. need better words to make it legally sound.

UPDATE 2: well, maybe there is a better wording for it, see my reply to @calliecat above

p0ssum ago

JUST LEAVE, GO. THIS PLACE IS COMPROMISED, EVACUATE NOW!!!!!!

3nk1 ago

You'd bitch if they hung you with a new rope huh?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

and you'd sing like a canary when they're torturing your loved ones for info you don't even know.

3nk1 ago

I hate to poke holes in your tin hat, but if a government level entity is targeting YOU, you are going to lose, this ain't the movies. Sure precautions make mass info scoops less likely to catch you, and they help with pissed past acquaintances. Don't do shit for alphabet agencies when they know your name and want you.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

the point is to know about it.

tin hats don't work. faraday cages do.

also, if you didn't know,

voat servers are in the u.s., and ALL data that goes through u.s. cables (including all of voat), is entirely saved on NSA harddrives, and combed through by an a.i. which flags things for agents to check.

that said, if they want to gag voat, it's now set up that at least we'll know about it within a month.

otherwise we would never know. ever.

also, the trap/honeypot has not bee placed. waiting upon dev statement.

GIF-lLL-S0NG ago

the United States have had slavery. the United States have slavery. Maybe this explain the grammatical difference?

DeltaBravoTango ago

Both examples are wrong

mig2k ago

I dindu nuffins

SaneGoatiSwear ago

hrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnngg

DeltaBravoTango ago

Is that a good sound or a bad sound? I could either be the sound of you trying to contain your rage or the sound of you cumming in your pants out of joy.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmm

Pawn ago

@SaneGoatiSwear