Official Canary Notice | announcements

submitted 8.5 years ago by Voat

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calliecat 8.5 years ago

If you omit the long middle part, the true meaning of this canary is clear: "we have HAD 0 (zero).... to the date of the last posting/updating of this notification". Since the last canary update, there has probably been a gag order, National Security Request, FISA order, injunction, etc. Very concerning.

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Yesnomaybeidontknow 8.5 years ago

No...

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Chiefpacman 8.5 years ago

Can you explain this canary in lamen terms? It's really starting to make me feel stupid.

Sanegoati tried explaining it. I'm familiar with canary in the coal mine metaphor. How is this post protecting future posts?

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SaneGoatiSwear 8.5 years ago

sanegoat's fine.

if they gag our admins, we can never know.

so the admins always keep posting this

they can't be made to lie to us, so if they get gagged, the couldn't click the update anymore, cause that would be lying to us (gag's can compel you not to speak truth, but not to lie)

thus telling us without telling us there's been a gag.

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HarveyHarveyJones 8.2 years ago

At this point i'm not even convinced atko is himself anymore. I can never say for sure like some other users on here. And it would be nice to get a poll going.... it'd be awful if atko really was just himself, just much busier with stupid shit to deal with from voat, possibly all sorts of outlets. The admins website had a big effect of the election imo. Let's say hillary/soros/royals/elite stepped in and asked questions, then demanded answers... maybe even action... but at what point do these people stop to think about consequences? No such point exists because they're busy wearing about their next move to stay clean. He might not be dead... and he may very well still be admin of the site... but how hard would it be to find someone who knows computer-savy Web design, whose code punchy, and can figure out how to seem real with his audience. Then again how hard is it to strike fear into someone who operates a site that was hosting explicit CP and maybe something to do with all the [_____]gates and hacking over emails. I imagine you make quite a few enemies when rejecting regulated moderation requests.

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eBev 8.3 years ago

I'm considering this...maybe for a long time. Who'd emit the gag order?

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Lag-wagon 8.3 years ago

Government?

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Chiefpacman 8.5 years ago

I see

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SaneGoatiSwear 8.5 years ago

glad i could help. now let's get them pressing it instead of this bot.

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Chiefpacman 8.5 years ago

You actually explained it way better there.

But then you confused me again. Whats point of what you've described as a canary if a bots doing it?

Like how would it help us know they haven't been compromised?

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SaneGoatiSwear 8.5 years ago

a gag compels you to not speak a truth (that you've been gagged, there's an investigation, etc)....

but can't force you to lie.

afaik bots don't apply

also, it's possible (although not proven) that for "national security" they can do what the fuck ever they want.

and remember this: all a canary does is tell us if something specific has happened to voat.

that we're all being spied on doesn't change. canaries don't protect us from spying or anything. all they do is notify US of something happening to voat/us where otherwise we would never ever know about it ever (which is bullshit).