Official Canary Notice (announcements)

submitted ago by Voat

We have had 0 (zero) gag orders, National Security requests, FISA orders, injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, nor any free-speech prohibiting sanction against us, nor against Voat, nor against any signed-in user of Voat, nor against any guest user of Voat.

Please refer to the Last edit time for the most recent effective date of this notice.

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calliecat ago

If you omit the long middle part, the true meaning of this canary is clear: "we have HAD 0 (zero).... to the date of the last posting/updating of this notification". Since the last canary update, there has probably been a gag order, National Security Request, FISA order, injunction, etc. Very concerning.

Chiefpacman ago

Can you explain this canary in lamen terms? It's really starting to make me feel stupid.

Sanegoati tried explaining it. I'm familiar with canary in the coal mine metaphor. How is this post protecting future posts?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

sanegoat's fine.

if they gag our admins, we can never know.

so the admins always keep posting this

they can't be made to lie to us, so if they get gagged, the couldn't click the update anymore, cause that would be lying to us (gag's can compel you not to speak truth, but not to lie)

thus telling us without telling us there's been a gag.

Chiefpacman ago

I see

SaneGoatiSwear ago

glad i could help. now let's get them pressing it instead of this bot.

Chiefpacman ago

You actually explained it way better there.

But then you confused me again. Whats point of what you've described as a canary if a bots doing it?

Like how would it help us know they haven't been compromised?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

a gag compels you to not speak a truth (that you've been gagged, there's an investigation, etc)....

but can't force you to lie.

afaik bots don't apply

also, it's possible (although not proven) that for "national security" they can do what the fuck ever they want.

and remember this: all a canary does is tell us if something specific has happened to voat.

that we're all being spied on doesn't change. canaries don't protect us from spying or anything. all they do is notify US of something happening to voat/us where otherwise we would never ever know about it ever (which is bullshit).

Chiefpacman ago

Define spying if you would sir.

I finally grasp it now I think