arijitdas ago

I think u can outsource the works to India for economical employee salary.

Cbradio ago

@atko hey do you run voat?? My PMS have been HACKED andcerased twice. I'm getting way pissed this illegal felonous crap going on, that is also clearly stalk harrass action behaviors. Please assist asap. All should know this is going on, and not just once, now again. I wrote on this subverse over 7 days ago, about the first illegal crime. Never heard back. Please assist. Not really a community to blog if some illegal hacker stalker thieve is lurking around, invading my private boundaries with no legal consent. Has this happened to anyone before? What a pussy, to be afraid of ones words on a subject!!! What a loser low life.

Cbradio ago

Hey who owns and runs voat? I wrote here prior about my pm hacked andcerased and now again. TWO TIMRS my PMS are illegal hacked and erase d. Please assist asap, that is illegal that someone hacks andcerased my personal.private account messages. This is so unnaceptable..thanks..urgent..Pissed..

SolitaryGod ago

Congrats on the quick success. Just this morning I replaced the "Reddit" bookmark in my Browser with Voat... kinda a cool thing you all got going on here. Run with it and avoid the pitfalls of Reddits censoring and liberal-suckfest, Voat will be home to many more who get tired of the mainstream mindfuck.

kemmettchris ago

Show the voat community your bill or I'm going to out you as a fraud all over the internet.

I wrote multiple articles supporting your site and I will quickly remove them.

https://therealstrategy.com/reddit-going-flames-users-switching-voat-co/

Show us proof, or you are done.

kemmettchris ago

You need to host on the google cloud. I operate therealstrategy.com and we were running a vm with about 80k users a day during the election for well under $100 per day.

here is a link to a snapshot of my cloudlfare account requests from the last month https://therealstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/request-usage.jpg

I could show you snapshots of my google cloud bill too. $235 for the month of November and we ran about 50 million requests...

You are either being robbed by your hosting provider or you are trying to rob voat users.

Voat_a_Goat_Mamma ago

Any update here? How much do you need total? What kind of annual budget do you need? Can you put a goal thingy on the side so we can see if we are making progress or not towards your goals? May be make it a goat walking a path... Whatever the case is we need to know how much you need so we know how much we need to donate. Be realistic also. Tell how much each of use would need to donate to keep it going, like wikipedia does. "Voat has X dollars, if everyone donated just X, our fundraiser would be over right now. Our annual operating budget needs to be X, but we only have X, if everyone donated X we would have our budget covered for the year. Will donate X to cover yourself and someone that can't donate at this time."

crankypants15 ago

Hm. I'm making LED flashlights that use dead batteries for power. What if I put a link on Voat and donated $1 per sale?

Stabzy ago

Make new users pay for an account. Make this place a sekret klub.

tradbathtile ago

Not a fan of much I see here, "there", or anywhere much these days, but I support anyone's right to speak their mind. Scrolled through as much of the comments on this thread as I could, but wanted to mention a solution that might satisfy ThatOnePrivacyGuy and others who voiced similar concerns.

https://www.paygarden.com/

Integrating paygarden would allow voaters (maybe even unregistered ones) to support voat by donating via GIFTCARDS - which themselves can be bought with cash. So far I believe they can only process giftcards bought in the US. I don't know what 'cut' of the funds transfered from the giftcards they take as their fee, maybe its ridiculous. If anybody knows of other giftcard transfer services please mention them.

IamaRealEstateBroker ago

Was going to type something similar to this but you have the better username.

Source: Self made millionaire.

AtomicManiac ago

I would buy ads but I'm not interested in site-wide ads. Can you add more ad buying options?

HungryGhost ago

I'm flat broke (actually in an insurmountable amount of debt from student loans) so there is very little I can do to donate, other than maybe like $20 if I charge it on my credit card, but is there anything else I can do to help? This is one of the very few "conspiracy theories" that I've actually believed in but since I do believe in it I think it's fucked up the amount of censorship we come under. Reddit banned us but yet they literally let pedophiles and rapists have subs that they allow. That was honestly my major reality check that something wasn't right. I have papers and finals to write and study for but between the 22nd of december and probably about the 10th of April I can dedicate a large majority of my time. If anyone has any sketicism that I'm truly for the cause just message me and I'll send whatever proof you'd like. I don't have much to offer but what I have is yours. The man with the gun today was clearly a false flag which tells me that something real is going on and they're trying to discredit us. I came here from /r/pizzagate a few weeks ago and never expected such an amazing community. The amount of slandering that this site and /r/pizzagate face(s/d) tells me that something is going on.

edit: changed we to was

Methylfenidaat ago

Catch https://i.sli.mg/OatxxF.png

I blurred a part to prevent tracking.

B3nder ago

Am I the only one who is missing the part with the actual costs of hosting and full time staff ?

R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago

I got to the party late. If you want to be the best your going to have to be transparent. Declare how much you spend to keep it running month to month with a graph of some type so we can see progress maybe through a crowdfunding site.

Some type of currency aka "gold" people can give out to good comments would help. A wide range of merchandise and donotations. We can do this.

Siedge ago

Back about a year and a half ago. the front page was full of them!

jecksmith ago

In the event that the administration is great, the clients ought to will to pay for it without accepting value in the organization. When others take value, you lose control, either by being obligated to 1 major financial specialist or 1 thousand littler speculators. Furthermore, it is hard to parse through those financial specialists. A dominant part of them could be from a similar gathering of individuals, attempting to assume control Voat.

As I expressed in my other remark, I would give by means of repeating membership. I wouldn't fret if my character is known to Voat, insofar as Voat endeavors to secure it. Supporting free discourse is justified regardless of that.

Still others favor secrecy. Justifiable. Give the general population what they need, eh?

Alter: keep it basic. continuously the best technique to guarantee quality.

iamrage ago

I'd recommend making Voat a subscription service which costs a total of $1 per month. The amount may seem small, but considering the amount of users that are here -- it'll be more than enough.

Siedge ago

Most wouldn't pay it. Would actually very much make people want to leave. Love voat. (Probably donate here soon) If that happened I would definitely leave.

FuckPro3000 ago

Congrats on the new users! I live off the grid monetarily, in that I don't have much of it and what I do have is not in any electronic form. Is there a simple mail in option?

FuckPro3000 ago

It was angry fatties, I guarantee it.

FuckPro3000 ago

To the mall! Or probably Fry's in their case

Lopsid ago

When giving a donation, I entered my voat username but haven't received a second heart. Should I just wait or do I have to email [email protected] (Nov 26)

saintPirelli ago

Looking forward to the merch, will buy a lot if you manage to release it before Xmas.

therealwopD ago

pizzagate would explain that :)

javi404 ago

I have the tools and resources to monitor and support your servers for free. PM me.

SnapeDoggyDogg ago

I know investors and they do have values, but at the end of the day, they are very difficult people to convince to back anything. They need to believe there is a chance of getting something back like taking the company public, or selling to a bigger company in the future. Both of these outcomes though, might possibly damage voat. So you really need to figure out another strategy to make it worth the investors time and money. So that probably means some kind of royalty deal where the investor gets paid a percentage of ad revenue.

realpatrickstewart ago

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Focus more on keeping the site alive than Freedom of Speech. (WHAT? WHAT?! No, hear me out.)

You have what matters, a dedication to Freedom of Speech, at the core of your being. All policies flow out of that.

You need to worry more about the money side of keeping it alive. Get enough revenue to hire at least one full-time staff and pay for bandwidth. If possible, have the hired hand also perform marketing. Have him/her post about Voat on other social networks (Twitter, Facebook, Twitch, Reddit, Slashdot, etc.) in their time not being spent on technical issues. You have a "reputation" for being full of racists and pedophiles. That's OBVIOUSLY not true but you need someone actively (but politely) pushing against the lies.

Also have your hire work to get advertisers. If a YouTube channel with 10,000 subscribers can get ads, then surely a website with more users can get ads, deals, sponserships. Look into gaming and other sponsorships that focus on "viral marketing to kids". They're more willing to try non-standard venues like YouTube.

If you have to get rid of the .00001% of super toxic people, to keep the lights on. Do it. Super toxic people go where ever they can. (I'm NOT calling normal people toxic like some SJW.)

You CAN have your cake and eat it too. You just have to not eat the whole thing. You CAN have plenty of reasonable, normal, advertisers around somewhat controversial content. Just make sure you're not bending over backwards to please people who go out of their way to have the most controversial, niche content that angers 99.999% of the world.

Even then, holding onto 100% inclusion, there ARE options out there. You could even go as far as to distinguish super controversial subverses from the "normal" ones. So you have your "normal" Voat with 99.9% of content that ads show up on. And the "dark" Voat where ads don't show up so advertisers don't get angry seeing their brand next to sick shit.

dannonyme ago

I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to donate, but unfortunately, though the service is nice, this is probably the most unwelcoming "community" I have ever experienced. BUMMER. Your existing users have limited your ability to grow or even to receive financial help doing so.

Siedge ago

Well that's kind of the joy of free speech though, Most people are going to openly hate you and be very rude. You are getting what people actually think instead of living in a bubble

dannonyme ago

Free speech is a powerful weapon. We must protect it at all costs.

One must know how and when to use it, with responsibility...for, used effectively, it can make a difference to society.

MtnPatriot ago

Yeah, new to Voat, I'd like to help out, but don't care to expose any more personal information. Good luck Voat, but I can't afford anything more than that under the current setup.

Sepitar ago

I would love to see a bar letting us know how much money voat needs to raise and how much we fall short.

Emanuel ago

Can I donate Dogecoin?

Nekochan11 ago

Reddit is a dumpster fire at the moment, and almost everyone who is not part of the SRS/politics group is very angry.

faux-speech ago

Yeah when you re-enable /v/jailbait

Until then, this free speech bullshit is just hot air. Reddit /r/jailbait existed for several years because it wasn't illegal. It only got shut down due to moral outrage spurred on by Anderson Cooper. So whyt shut it down here when there's been no national moral outrage?

You're full of shit.

Siedge ago

No idea what /r/jailbait was but I agree lets not shut down subverses for "moral" reasons.

Scornful_One ago

I have just joined and donated. Good work, guys!

heresaguywhoo ago

potential investors

call Shkreli

MisterMagnifico ago

Hey /u/Atko. I run an internet based company. We already use quite a lot of hardware. I'd be willing to support Voat. I tried PMing you directly, but I don't have enough comment points. I hope I can reach 10 so I can PM you directly.

Thank you

bobiel ago

Maybe Martin would want in on this piece of action!

NinjaPoolboy ago

Can we just close registration for a while? Would that help?

Karys ago

Value for value! Voaters should put their money where their mouths are, and support this bastion of free speech we love so much! I just did

8bCvYq2vpg ago

@Atko, @PuttitOut,

IPFS may be your answer here. Seriously consider making strides toward migrating to that protocol, while maintaining an open window to HTTP. Alexandria.io has been able to do this in practice. Their Slack group can be found here. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

VanillaSkyHawk ago

I just donated. This place needs the funding it can get in order to survive and thrive. I hope it continues on the policy and premise of a zero censorship community and of so I'll donate regularly. VOAT with your feet people. (and your wallets)

IWishIWasFoxMulder ago

Original Submission

Is there a mobile app coming and what can we do to improve performance?

I consider this to be important at a more meta level because if we can work on this top on a high performance mobile client we can collaborate WAAAY more efficiently. Look at how quickly the investigation was progressing when it was on Reddit before it got unceremoniously banned. Is there anything we can do to help this along or to generally improve performance for the site and to ensure backup and redundancies given the nature of this investigation?

Alicja ago

I have disabled adblock on this site. I hope that in the future, us Trump supporters can come to your site if reddit completely bans us.

Flitz ago

If you need any help with SEO or management, I'll be happy to help. I am so excited that you all have done so much,really thank you.

bobiel ago

Some Voat stickers would be cool.

garryorlarry ago

I am human. I am lazy. But if, when I logged in to Voat, a monthly reminder would say "Hey, this month why not give Voat $2?"...I would very likely press it. It has to be simple. It has to easy. But $24 (or whatever) a year is much higher than the $0 I would other give. And if a big enough volume of lazybones like me were motivated to pay in a similar fashion, it may be enough?

thoughtpolice ago

I left this site ONE year ago. I come back, and you are in the same exact situation. Not good.

Void_Walker ago

So was wondering how much extra money you need a month and what you'd be willing to provide in exchange? I know you guys have been approached before but weren't interested because you weren't sure that the partner would support the open forum. I'm not a VC or even rich but I have a decent income stream and no kids so I could help out financially as well as administratively. I'd be willing to trade cash for shares or just agree to a fix percentage and pay for a set time. Also I happen to be relative smart (v/iamverysmart i know) and could consult and advise. I work for a F500 and have been recognized for several initiatives that have been very beneficial to my employer.

Anyways please consider this a serious offer. Although I have no idea what your needs are if possible I'd very much like to be involved. I believe in the mission and with all the happenings lately on Reddit I've become a true believer in the idea of a true place of free speech.

glassuser ago

I read the post ad went to the donate link, but there's no bitcoin address anywhere.

FrozenTrout ago

I'm a new user here. I want to be somewhere where free speech is supported and encouraged, not attacked and censored like it is on Reddit. I'm still not sure if I'll stay here yet though, but if I do stay here then I'll certainly think about donating to support the site.

One thing I immediately dislike about Voat is that the site is a big hassle to use with Tor... I can browse Reddit just fine with Tor, but with Voat I'm forced to go through an annoying CloudFlare captcha all the time. If you want to be the good guys, can't you lift the captcha-wall on Tor exit nodes, to support privacy and anonymity?

digitalentity1497 ago

I did my part. Have you?

Fubar ago

Hey, so I'm trying to donate tonight but without paypal that's a bit more difficult. I know PP suuuuucks, but it's hard handing over my credit card details to a start-up / smaller company.

simvert ago

I would love to help out, I am partial owner and chief technology officer of a Cloud company. If somebody from Voat would like to reach out to me in private I'd be glad to see if we can work something out to help.

hat ago

Why don't you just crowdfund this website so people can invest rather than donate? I'd be happy to find investors for you.

BigusFickusDickus ago

I don't understand... voat can be a viable alternative to Censoring Reddit. Why don't you guys actually try to get real investors on the boat, that fund you and staff in exchange for equity???

olcoil ago

support paypal on your store? I can help u guys w the store if you like, but yea I was about to donate via PayPal :<

xXx_Pu55ySl4yr_xXx ago

fuckin hobos get a life

LionParty ago

Can we trust Voat with personal info from donations? How likely is it that the info could be compromised?

GameChanger ago

Ok. You need to realize that people here are a little skeptical and they don't want to hand out personal info. (which I don't blame anyone for being like that but it's damn near impossible to remain anon in this day and age) so there has to be a good way to donate anon. I just donated $25 bucks to you guys. I pray that this doesn't end up like zeeklytv. What a disaster. I would love to buy some merchandise also, so get to it. It's time to make this your calling. I'm sure you hoped that something like this would happen and now is your opportunity. Anyway, I love what you are doing and please keep up the good work!

Warnos44 ago

If you're the millionaire, in the interest of pizzagate and the love you have for man(child)kind, help these guys with solutions :)

SockGuy ago

Cool max Polyester.

nerosmoke ago

I give my posting to your site.

retardfaggot ago

design a shirt and hat i'll buy it. don't you dare give into that sweet jew money

Htaed ago

Make it less confusing and clear. I'll be more than happy to donate. As it is, it'll only piss people off. Whoever designed the donation process need to be fired.

Htaed ago

Welps, I tried to donate, but the process is confusing as fuck so I quit trying.Check out button was hard to find. Needed an email address for some reason. It wasn't well thought out.

BottomLine ago

Really curious: how much have you raised already?

CameBackForAVent ago

Well did you consider going with free and open source products before building this website? No, you're shifting more profit to Mircrosoft. You should consider a Linux server if you really want to run a free-of-charge website.

spez_is_a_cuck ago

Idea: ability to gild Reddit comments with a voat donation.

If you use Reddit and like a comment or post, donate to voat and reference the comment or post. Gives you a link that you can then post into a reply on Reddit telling everyone that instead of buying Reddit gold to recognise the quality of a post, that you donated to voat instead.

OpusMioda ago

Hey, Comrade's. I'd love to help, but I'm on disability, and VA. Though, if you need someone ded or internetz coded, I might be able to help.

SockGuy ago

Also practically all socks have nylon in them which is closest to the skin unless the sock is terry. Nylon gives the sock stretch. Without nylon or a textured synthetic fiber the sock sizes would have to be in increments of 1 instead of 9-11 ladies and 10-13 males. NAHM Sock sizes do not corolate to shoe sizes.

Ina_Pickle ago

I am aware. Which is why I have to be careful when purchasing.

SockGuy ago

Polyester is cheaper than cotton.

Ina_Pickle ago

Polyester makes my skin burn, and if in contact long enough leaves large red welts on my skin.

xiaomao666 ago

No, thanks.

HomerSimpson ago

You're a prick.

Doa11 ago

Thanks, donated.

Maslo ago

Just donated $10. Keep up the good work.

Cyclus ago

I will buy merchandise like a voat hoodie or t-shirt as soon as they become available. Or invest more sizable cash for a small percentage of ownership. Blindly donating to make someone else rich just doesn't jive with me personally.

mofukka ago

Excellent peer advice.

jw48335 ago

Let voat die - it belongs on the trash heap along with the hate it's a home for.

6968322? ago

In for ten. For now... more to come.

sofakingtodd ago

I am Full time "Voat also has a major flaw: we have no fulltime staff. Voat is currently managed by two people who have full time jobs “on the side”, which makes things very complicated. Voat needs fulltime staff to monitor the servers, respond to support and abuse emails, process donations and keep the wheels turning. With donations alone, this has not been possible so far, resulting in poor site performance and user experience"" hire link assholes? NOC/SOC experience, CompTIA A+,NET+, Forensics, BTC, 420 friendly.

fackyuo ago

id love to invest in voat...

StillNewbie ago

@Atko technical idea for consideration : To work within existing limits, what if you add some intelligence into load balancing. Not sure if this is feasible, but let's say you prioritize some activities/content, like older posts would take longer to load, users that are online for longer get's reduced request priority etc. What do you technical people think?

ShillBuster ago

Who has downvoted this thread?

Dicks.

asdfghjkl123456789 ago

Have you done any funding drives? Like contacting foundations that would fund this sort of thing?

EugeneNicks ago

If you need staff, look at me. I'm like the best mod ever and having a world class troll on your side would help.

You guys need to get serious about this if you want voat to succeed. Stop coding geolocation chat and work on voat functionality.

drtitus ago

I put $5 on it :D

nomenimion ago

I want a Voat mug.

pawel7777 ago

You can also donate Bitcoin. On checkout, please mention your Voat username if you want the donor badge.

Just sent 0.015 btc but there was no coinbase checkout to enter my username. I really want this badge.

https://blockchain.info/tx/a4d5d8b9db83859a55f03edbb94b2e4813bb5ff976b5ea33cc61ceb93df1360a

Super_Cooper ago

I'll buy merchandise for sure. Post when it's available. I think it would be also cool if you could let users create merchandise and donate the design to voat for sale in the store. Chances are there are some users here who are more creative and can make better t-shirts than what the admins can. Does this make sense? I want cool t-shirts, not just the voat logo. I want a cool goat graphic or something that shows a goat fucking an alien in the ass.

SockGuy ago

Either or so long as the volume is purchased in order to put it into production.

Moonbat ago

Unfortunately I won't donate. It isn't the site - it's the site's users. GL though.

Donbuster ago

For those wondering, people spammed some cheese pizza up onto poor voat, and got the paypal account closed out.

RowdyBusch ago

I funded you until you banned jailbait-related subs. Bring back freedom of speech/expression and I'll gladly contribute again.

pupu ago

I would recommend the following:

Allow users to buy functionality such as: avatars, ability to view statistics, gift-giving, friend/blacklisting, award badges to others, etc.

Or perhaps, try to reach Gabriel Weinberg from DuckDuckGo. They seem to have the same moral compass as yours and a partnership to compete with Google would be good for them. If you're unable to do so, try reaching other search engine owners from Startpage/Ixquick for example.

Alternatively, instead of trying to raise more money, you could try lowering costs. I have no experience in this field, so my suggestion may be outside of your capabilities, but outsourcing processing and internet power with willing users is an idea.

I hope you find a way out and that voat becomes sucessful and remains the bastion of freedom of speech as you hope.

EnochGenesis ago

Can we get t-shirts or hoodies + more, I see people referencing them but none for sale.

Never_Over ago

To think I was going to donate a grand. Your delusional site of free speech is a fairy tale.

Your users are using you.

EnochGenesis ago

please help guys, I'm one of the new people we need to support this amazing place!

Heil Voat!

Heil Victory!

BurqaFart ago

So is there a smartphone app in the works? I'm fucking sick of reddit. I'd much rather browse Voat while I'm sitting on the toilet at work than them.

bahhumbugger ago

Sell equity to the users.

profanion ago

Are smaller donations not available at the moment due to not being feasible?

ENDICIDE ago

Get merch up

morkathell ago

You need to charge for features.

6943740? ago

Hi @Atko,

Over $1000 in 24 hours sounds pretty good to me. Considering a web host such as Amazon charges about $0.03 per GB and given 117GB of bandwidth use per day wouldn't that mean a cost of about $3.50?

I'd like to get an idea of what you are trying to achieve. If you are hoping to one day work on Voat full time with a few other people and not need secondary jobs what would that look like for you?

Guessing at $15 per day in operating costs, and donation income average of $1000 per day would suggest you could have over $350,000 of income, so I feel like I'm missing something here. Breaking down the cost of the servers and bandwidth along with proposed pay for full time work and number of people that would work full time would help us get a better picture of where we are and were you would like to be.

Thanks,

Bacon

riggington ago

And then they have to sell the users to the intelligence businesses to get profit. :p

The thing is, they are 2 guys with a job. They don't have money to invest and hope it will give profit someday. They could get investors, but without a good way to get income, it's a cointoss or a lot worse. But if we as a community start donating for the free speech...

stretched_girl ago

Can I buy an ad using bitcoin?

CommiePatrol ago

I know a couple of investors, I'm not great friends with them or anything so I can't guarantee anything, but I need something to give to them. Like some doc with what's the website about, what your goal is, contact info, etc. Do you have that?

riggington ago

Selling equity might not help. They can sell for a million, but if the site doesn't profit, they got a million they can invest in staff and servers, but if they don't have INCOME they can't pay for them.

What they actually need is continuous income so they can get some staff and keep upgraded servers.

6940633? ago

FrogMantra ago

Maybe they can give a hand,maybe contacting Richard Stallman wouldn't be such an bad idea you never know. Free Software Foundation

knight222 ago

Why don't you just add a bitcoin address?

novictim ago

Is it just me or is the online store still not showing any merchandise??

hunter3 ago

you need to provide a mailing address for money orders (so people can donate easily anonymously)

TahTahBur ago

@atko @putitout - professional designer / online shops. Will donate time for the merch shop. PM me. We could make oc and 3rd party drop ship country to country. Usd sites like that about 1/3rd of $30 is netted for a shirt. Could make the merch section based on location. Store.voat.com/uk. Etc - not sure if api syncing is your alls thing. But that is possible with different drop shipping companies. May be les stress on the server to link offsite

superpewpew ago

Have you guys ever considered mirroring the site on IPFS and promoting that fact? I know that posting would have to be only on the live version of the site, but some sort of distributed mirroring would offload a good bit of the read requests. If someone wanted to post then they'd of course have to visit the live site, but distributed mirroring would handle a good chunk of that if people actually used it. I'm willing to bet that if it was stickied and promoted at the top then you could possibly cut your requests in half and still have income from advertising and donations.

mamwad ago

Voat goes socialist? I'd love to see it happen.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

no. retarded.

what would work would be if voat became non-profit. probably 501c7

OnlyMyLifeMatters ago

/u/atko pm me if you have any extra intern-level type work you think I could help with from home. Plenty of free time here.

riggington ago

Sure, but pushing some money in The System (by investing in lots of different shares and not even really caring which ones) is not in any way "creating systems which generate income by providing products or sevices disconnected from their time input".

It's way different from investing in a startup and advicing them as a co-owner like shark-tank that would actually help them somehow.

Riva ago

Really? Well fuck them then.

DrBunsen ago

1) My eyes are burnt because of the storefront

2) no btc?

Sicario ago

We have all witnessed in one way or another how a website which takes on investors can slowly degrade and become outright unusable. Given our commitment to Freedom of Speech, we have to be very careful about who we partner with. Because of this, we have rejected several offers from investors who we believe would not be compatible with Voat’s core philosophy. For the record, we have had investment offers from all over the world during the past 2 years, many of which we were either too busy to entertain or too concerned with underlying motives of the parties involved.

So, what do we do?

I wish I had an answer for you, brother. As you are obviously fully aware, the system works to stranglehold those unprepared to sacrifice their core principles to the highest bidder.

My personal opinion is that the type of investor you are currently going to attract is not going to entertain your philosophy of freedom of speech because your core audience at the moment are alt-right wingnuts. You need to get the hippies in here. They are a target audience to companies and institutions which have more similar guiding principles to your own.

Also, instead of paying people to do full time jobs, perhaps invest time into finding a greater number of dependable volunteers instead. I see it as a two-way street. If people want an internet platform which isn't going to censor them, then they need to contribute something to make sure it stays alive.

0xFFF ago

maybe you should change the banner on the frontpage with the happy goat and "voat is flying on it's own" caption? gave me the impression no donations were needed anymore.

MOF ago

Just donated Fiddy dalla. Still no badge tho.

DongJohnson ago

done

primaryappellation ago

Can you guys use patreon?

revfelix ago

You should prove it by posting a picture of you swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck. And then giving said money to Voat. Through me. Without verifying the totals before and after.

FuckPro3000 ago

This is the only logical solution.

TremorAcePV ago

See, but he can't do that.

Gold is dense af. You can't swim in it.

Maybe styrofoam bitcoins. He could swim in those.

SinkIndustries ago

@Atko I would love to offer my USA based Clothing Company to assist in the creation and distribution of Official VOAT Tees, Caps, and Merch! How do I go about becoming a licensed vendor?

I'm USA based and an independent seller and merchant on Etsy. I can ship worldwide, and accept PayPal and card payment securely.

I would love to have the opportunity to help grow your organization and spread your freedoms westward!

Sephel ago

Thank you!

ThisIsMyRealName ago

I'll donate again when the influx dies down, but only if you promise to build a wall with the proceeds.

TheTrigger ago

I'm just gonna throw this out there. It will most likely be ignored, but I will own up to my promise, if need be: I'll work for free.

Full time? Sorry, guys. Not a chance in hell; I have a family to feed. But honestly? I'm already on voat, pretty much all of the time, albeit in sporadic intervals (which could be standardized, if necessary).

I've worked customer service my whole life, and am (without a single doubt): amazing at it. I can most-definitely help you with other stuff. But, in the aforementioned regard (responding to abuse and support emails), I can guarantee my absolute success. I've been on this site for a while, I know the ropes.

Why do I want to do it? Honestly? Charity. I like this site too much, to watch it fail. Will I do this forever? Nope. But definitely as long as necessary.

So let me know. Otherwise, good luck.

@Atko @PuttitOut

vvaiting4goaot ago

Yes, can you share some info @Atko? I'm always curious as to what the per user / base cost is. I want to donate a fair amount to at least cover my (general) usage. Thanks for your time!

Coincidentally @TeranNotTerran, I came across this site [https://steemit.com/ (https://steem.io/ )] yesterday which may be what you're looking for. Perhaps we can implement a similar system in Voat 2.0!

wesofx ago

I donated.

Goater ago

LOOK AT THE TOP COMMENT @PuttItOut

I've been saying this for months now... if you implement BTC adverts you will be funded for the year in a month!

PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS

(and thankyou for your work)

6935511? ago

Put ads everywhere.

Go for it shoot at us.

Have you ever tried to read zerohedge without adblocker ? Quite an experience.... LOL

I'll disable adblockplus in the morning, click on a bunch of ads I don't give a shit about, and then put adblock back on.

If we all do that everyday you'll get the vews per days, the clicks, and of course, the cash.

Of course you can't advocate for it....

dustygozangas ago

You guys should dig a hole and livestream it.

Bing11 ago

You're being downvoated unfairly. /u/IAmAShill is correct, and OP (AOU) explains it here: https://voat.co/v/announcements/1436243/6929194

In short: the 20 is mBTC (micro-BitCoins), not BTC. Still great! Just not AS great as people are thinking.

8bCvYq2vpg ago

It's about $15.00 USD as long as my calculations are correct. All-in-all, good on him for donating.

mirimar ago

Partner up with some good news services like Breitbart and offer headline links on the page margins.

0fsgivin ago

And here we are... with comments that are not spam, not adverts, not off topic. Removed from subs in this site that were to "leftist"

Now, that censorship is already excepted. We have an influx of leftists coming in. And the fundraising has begun. And now convservative view points will be quited. As long as the leftist's bring in more income. Woo capitalism that all the conservatives here have all espoused.

You KKK and neo nazis and even just centrists like me. You don't bring in the advertising dollars young liberals do. They have more DISPOSABLE income than you( they make minimum wage but don't pay bills at moms house). And get a young liberal early and you have a customer for life even when they go consevative at 35. Brush your teeth with colgate at 18 and you will at 50.

https://voat.co/v/TheDonald/modlog/comment <---- censorship. Albeit of liberals. But just wait. The other shoes dropping soon.

Griskor ago

I can't personally donate at the moment, but I'd love to help out with server monitoring, support, etc. I'm a sysadmin/devops engineer with plenty of free time, and even though I'm new to Voat it would be a great use of my time. @atko feel free to PM me and I'll provide my email/phone contact info.

ClitoryClinton ago

Voat, Have you tried maybe starting a Kickstarter? What about looking for angel investors in Eurasia? Perhaps Russia? You wouldn't be dealing with a lot of Censorship issues as in the West. Kickstart this community! Come on guys. P.S If you ever need support staff I'd be glad to help! Hang in there!

mirimar ago

Done.

mirimar ago

Why not implement contests/lottery/rewarding type games that can generate cash, or gifting a buck from users to a poster whos message they support; something akin to that other sites gilding rewards.

mirimar ago

If I could win a new computer by sending a dollar, I would enter such contests.

0fsgivin ago

I will donate $50 when atko denounces the censorship STILL present in /v/thedonald.

https://voat.co/v/TheDonald/modlog/comment <---that ain't spam...it aint CP. And it aint fucking off topic unless you wanna use the "But muh circlejerk" excuse.

I thought censored circlejerks were what this site was designed to avoid. First the came for the KKK and I said nothing...Then they came for the SJW's and I said nothing.

This shits just Digg 3.0 as long as those comments remained removed.

Odd..how pushes for funding going on now. I'm sure it will be successful. If not from a grassroots origin. Yah you read that right that ATKO. You just the next in line for corporate sponsorship now that reddits blown its credibility?

Free_Radical ago

What am I missing here?

This is a text-based platform. Bandwidth wise, it's the cheapest possible solution per user - by far. Traditional websites, forums or imageboards are wasting infinitely more per eyeball (loading images and other media) and still managing to survive and make profit. They are happy when numbers spike because they found a way to actually make profit from eyeballs. Only Voat seems to get Shoah'd every time a growth opportunity presents itself. It's completely nonsensical. If you are making a loss with the current population - which is what you're saying - more users would only make it worse. Voat users, for some inexplicable reason, carry a negative value.

The investor conundrum also doesn't make sense. Surely, some of them could be persuaded to invest for a percentage of profits without getting any additional policy rights.

PRO-Roller ago

I'm only just starting my company, but plan to buy ads here later. If you add an option to buy specific dates, artwork to be delivered for approval 1 month prior to running (or similar, so one wont need to have the campaign ready when ordering), I could buy some now.

Will find a way to send some finances no matter what. Thanks for a nice site, @PuttitOut too.

This_There ago

Allow investors to buy bonds or similar instruments. Investor capital doesn't lead to stock ownership, but VOAT could pay a return on the bond when there were profits and management did not choose to reinvest in the business.

Or, issue only non-voting shares. Investors like VC funds would never do this but your users might. With non-voting shares, users could not influence the management team but would own part of the company for any profit sharing or if the company was sold.

player_01 ago

This this this! Instead of shares he should do something like a subscription to a special voting area where important company decisions are made. He wouldn't be legally on the hook to follow the recommendations of the faux board but could anyways. Make the explicit statement that they are not buying shares and are under no obligation to make company decisions based on the donation, but then follow the voting anyways. Of course run it through a lawyer first.

PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 ago

I would buy me the fuck out of some voat merch

KingMortales ago

Wow, thanks for answering! I've never heard it put in those terms before.

stuff123 ago

@atko, put up a post detailing what your infrastructure improvement plans are and I will donate (specifics, not just profiling code). Also, democracy in times of turmoil is extremely inefficient, you'll have to make a call or two on getting investment or incorporating, just make sure you're transparent about it and you share the plan with the community

stuff123 ago

Pretty much all the shark tank investors are in bed with the ilk of conde nast, that would be a very bad idea. @atko needs to put in some due diligence to find a firm or angel investor that explicitly states their interest in transparent media

stuff123 ago

patreon isn't going to cover these types of expenses. Reddit is one of the most visited websites on this planet, that's millions of dollars spent on hosting. For now, donations need to work, but in the very near future, they're going to either have to take venture capital or get some serious crowdfunding initiative. Remember, venture capital isn't necessarily bad, but @atko has to find an investor that shares the vision of transparency... Kinda hard to do that sort of search when you're working a full time job

silversurfers ago

V/Cheers will be Hosting a Fundraiser for Voat this Wednesday.

ShineShooter ago

Circle.com is a good route too.

6933373? ago

I wish I was in a position to help. Unfortunately, I'm not. I had thought of opening a couple of the subs I look after to sidebar ads some months ago (see: sidebar of /v/asdf for examples for image ads and sponsored links). The idea was the pitch to private comic book and cosplay-related interests.

I went so far as to retain some help from a friend, go through a couple of mock-ups. I even opened the idea up to initial comment on one of my subs, but only one person took time to give any feedback (though it was still much appreciated feedback).

The money would go through my friend who would be putting his RL info on the line because I'm an anonymous coward. He would take a cut, and then I would take a cut (along with any future moderators). I wanted a portion to go to Voat, no matter what. The only thing I hadn't settled on was whether he would send along Voat's portion on my behalf, or if I would do it myself. Either way, I was leaning toward using my portion of the money to buy proper Voat ads to advertise my subs.

I never moved forward with the idea because I was worried about how it would be perceived.

Stinkieroldgoat ago

I'd say a monthly sub fee would be best. I'd easily pay to visit this site. It would also have the side effect of weeding out the "un-dedicated" folks, who just come here for a "reddit-like" fix

conspExec ago

Atko please keep in mind that although CloudFar is economically friendly it is also a possible source for a MitM attack.

CloudFare MitM

Robobama ago

I think that voat should also create a gofund.me account to get donations as well, if only to access a pool of people that otherwise would have no idea about Voat's needs.

Also, if t_d could meme a president into office, we can definitely mobilize to help get voat the money it needs. Create the gofundme and then spread it everywhere. I'm just throwing ideas out. Weaponized autism for the voat goat!

SocialJusticePanda ago

Whats your address? I'll send a pizza!

6933018? ago

Just don't let Soros buy in. ;P

1101100 ago

I strongly suggest opening up a Patreon account. Here's what could be offered:

$5 - Many thanks $25 - Support Voat. Monthly news from voat hq including notification of what's in store for current, & future development plans. $45 - Behind the scenes look at voat hq (also includes perks listed above) $80 - Executive supporter. Access to voat hq private facebook group/discord channel/slack. (also includes perks listed above) $100 - Freedom of speech. Top supporter includes 3 ad placements + perks listed above

Feel free to remix, change, or disregard any of my suggestions. Here's to Voat's success. Cheers.

bloodguard ago

I sent $25 BTC last month and $25 BTC yesterday when I heard about reddit spez'ing out. You might want to think about becoming a Brave browser publisher and ask everyone to browse voat with Brave. I dump ~$10 BTC into my brave wallet a month and Voat should be getting a piece of that.

For those of you on the fence about bitcoin USAA (kind of a big deal in banks) support bitcoin via an integrated Coinbase wallet. Super simple to set up.

6932995? ago

Finally donated I've been meaning to do so for a while. I honestly wouldn't have an issue with a yearly subscription fee or something like that but I'm sure me saying that will cause a backlash (voatlash?). I never click on ads and I feel ok with paying for stuff I use a lot, and Voat is a daily (hourly?) ride for me. I love Voat! Reddit's shut down of r/fatpeoplehate was what drove me here in the first place and I've been happy as a goat ever since. Also I was a Democrat until two months ago when I went independent and voted Trump (felt so good!). I know Voat has helped red pill me and I hope it helps many others. I'll continue to donate.

riggington ago

WRONG! Mr. money mustache and many other people have had somewhat high paying jobs and they have been living with fucking low expenses, investing the money in shares spreading it up and boom, after a while enough money to live off rest of your life if you don't raise your living expenses way too much.

I'd call it pretty wealthy if you can live without working with lifestyle you can accept while not getting handouts.

Robobama ago

Would you be so kind as to donate to voat? They could use a cool 10k it sounds like

whisky_cat ago

I love this synopsis, I also think the ability to employ qualified talent is a major factor. To separate a person's time from their operation it requires good employees you can count on. Employees that take pride in the product and opportunity.

wesofx ago

In some cases, like in software development, employees aren't as important. Software runs without people ;) That said, bugs don't fix themselves and taxes don't file themselves.

whisky_cat ago

I work in software. Without the developers the company would fold overnight, but the margins are pretty sweet when things are going good.

riggington ago

Notch expressed some kind of interest in buying 4chan not long ago. Maybe chat with him a bit?

Eastupward ago

How much money do you guys need?

Alois_sticklgruber ago

You're not going to start letting reddit mods run things are you?

We dont want censorship, and reddit was chock full of that

Alois_sticklgruber ago

I bought a shirt long ago...

Do you make underwear?

VideoPower ago

Sounds reasonable. Unblocked!

ot_to_know ago

I'd like to buy a voat donator badge via a prepaid visa or mastercard that I can keep under the limit that requires a SSN associated with it. That way my donation can be anonymous from the payment side.

Xilgian ago

I tried to buy a $55 ad but it gave me no choice for Paypal. When you have paypal, I'll buy the ad.

KingMortales ago

No inheritance or anything?

3dk ago

One other example of this is Aether. Last time I checked, there was no one on it. How awesome would it be, if the Voat and Aether devs got together to make a glorious code baby?

TremorAcePV ago

Uh, Aether was last updated a year ago in 4 days. :( It sounds epic, but that's disconcerting.

Also, your link is broken and sends me to https://voat.co/v/announcements/getaether.net

3dk ago

Fixed the link. And yes, Aether needs some new life breathed into it. Sadly, even more than Voat, it's only someone's little side project. I'm always on the lookout for other more promising things like it, but as far as I'm aware, there's nothing else.

frasercanes ago

Alright boys I've done my duty.

texan11moore ago

yay merchs coming soon!

JoeKerr ago

If you can provide a place for me to sleep and some food to eat, I would be willing to work for free otherwise. I need experience more than money. Although I would not be able to do this until at least the beginning of May 2017. PM me if you would like to take me up on this offer.

Diogenes_The_Cynic ago

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co

This site it in the top 20,000 websites in the world, and #6,274 in the U.S.

0011011000111001 ago

I am coming over from the other site and am now donating $5 a month for a year. I look forward my goat assimilation!

Moshpitmikey777 ago

I don't see any actual merchandise in the store. Are there plans to sell t-shirts or hats? I would buy a t-shirt. I don't really wear hats but I could see other people buying hats.

heili ago

Yeah and if he says the word "Voat" they automatically get 2%.

sidewayseight ago

I dont know how to donate without paypal

testyfrog ago

Why don't you offer a subscription tier? How many subscribers at $10/mo do you need to cover expenses for both of you to work on it full time?

I think sharing a spreadsheet with a financial projections showing different business models (SaaS, ads, premium accounts, etc) would make a lot of sense if you are trying to crowdsource a funding model.

Trump_makes_me_wet ago

That's a very good point actually that I didn't consider. The freedom to run a sub the way the mods wish can be just as important to the "cause" as freedom to comment and such. r/whereisassange has this really cool transparency thing going where even the mod mail is public. I think in my own ideal world, that's how voat will/would be. But then again, I don't take fph or other semi-satire subs too serious so maybe it is unnecessary to be as transparent there or subs that are not default.

goatboy ago

@Atko- voat needs a random number generator on the side bar of all pages so we can pray to KEK. Kek will provide, but we can't win the lottery without syncing our dank memes to a random number generator.

8Hz_WAN_IP ago

Voat doesn't get paid per impression, it is just a flat daily rate to run an ad. So go ahead an buy an ad, you can even have some fun with it and rick roll half of voat.

heili ago

This is the only domain on which I allow ads. And I've donated to the site.

Trump_makes_me_wet ago

Why remove it though? Just voting should be enough to get it out of the way.

I'm not fat so I have no celebrating of obesity to do. The point I was trying to make is just that a lot of us here want to avoid what happened/happens to us over at re-edit. The ban on fph is what brought a lot of us here in the first place.

nakk ago

I am a Reddit refugee, and I find the upvote limit to be a hassle. Perhaps you could sell upvotes as a means to generate revenue? As far as I can tell, upvote limits are to prevent vote manipulation, but if the purchase of upvotes was behind a captcha, wouldn't that achieve similar results?

WhiteRonin ago

RedShitHole was working on a decentralized platform as in basing it on torrent technology. Bit finishing something like that would take a while.

ExpandYourMind ago

A monthly donation goal with a progress bar would be a step in the right direction, IMO. Hell, TagPro has one and they're pulling in like $2k/mo. from people who use WASD keys to play CTF.

Also, is there a downside to using my debit card?

dabork ago

What's the matter? Your handlers won't increase your budget for better hardware?

Maybe if you spent less of their money getting your ass rammed by other men you could afford to run the site properly without begging for donations.

Must be hard to convince them you need more money now that they don't need you as much.

birds_sing ago

Yeah, you're right. Look at Trump, he won the presidency while spending a fraction of the money the other candidates did. Atko's Swiss though. He's not as smart and fiscally responsible as someone like you who lives in Trump's America.

eretionice ago

Fuck off safe space faggot.

Stop the censorship, mod/admin abuse and we'll consider it.

VACWS ago

I just did this on you advice, I often forget that it is even there.

Animaillian ago

We also need karma whores.

We can't just complain about libtards and feminists all day, we also need amusing and interesting content.

It takes effort to provide this and reddit has many people who seem to do nothing but find interesting content and posting it. That is key to reddits success.

verifex ago

I don't even want to tell people that I visit this site anymore because people that I did tell visited here and just saw lots of horrible shit and said, this site sucks. So, that's what voat is now. :(

jobes ago

Patreon has some history of not allowing users who support "inappropriate content". Voat has enough content that would probably immediate disqualify it from Patreon.

riggington ago

If fucking SHADBASE can have a patreon, anyone should. :D https://www.patreon.com/shadbase

3dk ago

If you don't want to give away personal info online, Localbitcoins.com is one option I know of. It wasn't available in my area, but I was able to find a similar site. You could also try selling something on Openbazaar. For example, I bought a steam giftcard with cash at a store, then sold it for a slightly cheaper amount of bitcoin. Look up how to find a trusty escrow for OB, if you do this.

Reminder: Read up on basic use, always double check everything, don't mess around with lots of money and use common sense to avoid scams.

Getting bitcoin is the hardest part, after that it's awesome. You can send it to anyone who accepts it or you can make your own "cold storage vault" that's more secure than most bank accounts, just in case bitcoin takes over the world...

psymin ago

I'm a BTC guy who keeps a client and a blockchain locally. Is there a way to buy and sell BTC anonymously that doesn't need the full blockchain?

3dk ago

You can use the electrum wallet and sell steam giftcard codes on openbazaar. It's tedious, but it's the only way I know of. I'm sure there are better ways. I'm enthusiastic about bitcoin, but I'm not exactly an expert, I just like messing around with it for fun.

Trump_makes_me_wet ago

The whole purpose behind a lot of us being here is to break free of censorship though. Is fph's opinion and views so fragile that you won't let others speak? Differing view points can be constructive.

HomerSimpson ago

Admin censorship. Not moderator censorship

eagleshigh ago

Is fph's opinion and views so fragile that you won't let others speak?

Considering that I smash them on the topic of obesity all the time, yea their opinion nd views are extremely fragile.

WhiteRonin ago

Nope, @henrycorp banned me from several subs I have never posted to and never got a ban notice. There goes that statement.

psymin ago

Oh right, I forget that some potential bitcoin enthusiasts haven't done this part yet :)

There are a number of ways to obtain bitcoin. The most straightforward methods are to offer goods and/or services for them. You can also buy them. Or you can mine them.

Sounds like you're interested in buying them with PayPal. I've bought and sold BTC with PayPal. It is more risky for the seller of the BTC than the buyer when someone is buying with PayPal. This is because a BTC transaction cannot be reversed and PayPal transactions can be.

I'm willing to sell you some BTC and both expose my PayPal ID to you and have yours exposed to me.

I'm up for taking the risk on selling BTC to you via PayPal for a few reasons, but if you're not up for it, no worries.

The trick about buying BTC is that it is hard to remain anonymous. You can contact someone via https://localbitcoins.com/ and meet somewhere in person for a cash transaction. That is probably one of the most secure ways as a buyer.

I've sold this way and it feels really sketchy every time. Flipping open laptops in a bar. Waiting for the blockchain to sync. Putting the money on the table, waiting 10 minute (or longer) for the transaction to be verified. There is stress involved.

But for small amounts like $50, I'm sure the stress would be minimized.

Another way is to hop on #bitcoin-otc on FreeNode IRC. It feels like the Mos Eisley Cantina there. I haven't been there much since my annoying web of trust situation, but you can buy "anonymously" there.

Here is my ranking as a seller from bitcoin-otc. I helped expose a scammer (who was trying to buy BTC with PayPal, always a shady situation there) and the scammer took revenge. shrug

https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=psymin&sign=ANY&type=RECV

Long story short: Buying bitcoin reveals your identity to the seller depending on the purchase method. If you're using PayPal, you will be telling the other end who you are.

I'm willing to sell you bitcoin for paypal. Hit me up. I'll use the current bitcoinity frontpage price. I guess that is bitfinex?

http://bitcoinity.org/markets

(Edit: "helped out" means many things, I "helped expose and help thwart" the scammer. Editing for clarity)

solar_flare ago

What about buying the bitcoin and then using a tumbler to exchange them for others?

Also, isn't there online marketplaces that you can buy bitcoin with prepaid cards without having to provide personal information?

psymin ago

That is an option, but imagine being tumbled with people using btc for things unthinkable. Could be a worse outcome.

psymin ago

Shit. I left out the most important part. Install the bitcoin client and get a wallet.

https://bitcoin.org/en/

Not sure if they've gotten past the part that requires you to download the whole blockchain .. which is tens of gigs in size. Holy crap, maybe even 100 gigs? Anyway, do that part first.

psymin ago

Heh, or hit up the local goats https://voat.co/v/bitcoin

lord_nougat ago

Jyou don't need no steeenkin' badges!

DependasaurusRex ago

UHF reference. I <3 you.

whisky_cat ago

I personally love the Blazing Saddles version

lord_nougat ago

Now I'm going to have to see that again. It's been a few decades, I think!

I like The Treasure of Sierra Madre version.

lakeyosemit ago

I think it is at least partially open, I was reading the FAQ now and there's a Github repo there with some items in the Issues section. I'm not sure if the problematic code is in that repo though. If it is, it would be good to create an issue for it if there isn't already and post it so people can volunteer to help. I intend to take a look at some of the code/issues this weekend.

Salicaz ago

You and Putt were both very kind to me when I used an advert here. I've donated and bought a hoodie previously and will definitely be buying more merch again.

TC10284 ago

@Atko - I work as a Sys Admin full time. If there's any way I can help aside from donating, even donating my time to monitor the servers, I'd be very willing. Can send my resume so you can see my background.

daskapitalist ago

Can we bring tshirts back? I missed the last sale and want to stock up!

DoomMantia ago

but they're pretty open about that

LOL you say that as if that makes it any better. Do you know who else are "pretty open" about banning dissent? ShitRedditSays.

flashurnands ago

SRS would never have bothered me if they kept to themselves. The doxxing and brigading was what made SRS known and hated. If SRS wanted to be a bunch of cunts in their own echo chamber, let them. That is free expression. I just won't go there.

I like to think of subverses as states and voat as the federal government. Each state (or subverse) should be allowed to decide their own rules and citizens can join the states that they like or leave the ones they disagree with. If a state has laws you don't like, don't live there. Atko and the admins should protect each states right to exist and their sovereignty against external threats.

It's when the admins become too invested in controlling the thoughts and culture of their users that they start forcing each state to be like every other, robbing them of their differences, their diversity and ultimately their sovereignty.

Yiziola ago

Does the merch store accept PP?

or

@Atko

PO BOX address to mail gift card or money order

or a check w/

To: blank

and

'For Deposit Only' written on the back?

anoneko ago

What would have Trump done? That's right he would have been fine without donations, all by himself. So follow his lead and take example.

AOU ago

Plot twist, Electrum trolled me as well. It was in mBTC (~$14.75). ^ ^

GrandpaPepe ago

Why do you have so much people banned on your sub?

LostandFound ago

Consider a worker coop, interview and buy in for % stake. Works for the mondragon corporation with 75k employees. I think at this point people will work and pay for this. No vip status just % input on business level decisions.

SpeshulSnowflaek ago

Fine I'll give u some money

Faggot

MyNameIsBing ago

Fogot

FTFY

psymin ago

I just sent money directly via bitcoin client to voat's coinbase

CRKT_M16Z ago

Looking forward to the merchandise announcement. I'd buy a shirt or something.

Also, I know this is gonna sound archaic, but is there a way to simply mail a donation? Like a PO Box or something?

carlip ago

im in for $5/month, ive been here long enough for free, so thanks @Atko

piratse ago

I also mention in the mail they could look into "hiring" employees under deferred compensation. However a GOOD international lawyer would need to be used due to the site/company being hosted in Arabia or Sweden or wherever and the user base being from all over.

RumpRangerRick ago

Bought an ad. I love you man.

Riva ago

I was taking about this yesterday.

Give me a way to subscribe and I'll send you 3 bucks or 5 bucks or even 10 per month. I don't even care if I get a badge.. If I do make it a goat or a server (or an over worked engineer).

Just my two cents. I don't mind supporting a true free speech platform.

redpilldessert ago

If you had Paypal there I'd donate a good amount.

go1dfish ago

Seems like the ads have been doing well and many people are using them in lieu of donating.

Due to that, and the increased traffic it's time you should increase the advertising rates. Voat ads are now more valuable, and you should reflect that in your pricing.

But maybe wait a month or two :P I plan to buy some ads soon myself lol.

Codewow ago

Do we get badges for it? I want badges. I'm a badge whore. I'll donate for a badge whore badge.

ScreaminMime ago

Yes!

They will ask for your username at checkout...

piratse ago

I sent atko a message a while ago basically giving him options/idea like this. Hopefully he has a chance to read through it.

AOU ago

Cheers! Just trying to do my part :)

Fahrvergnaked ago

I really want to donate, what about options for PP? Current system requires my address, name, and phone number. I love you voat, but not happening.

kittysaysmeownow ago

user generated merch sales? Maybe some people could donate art or whatever and you could auction/sell it? Like a voat version of etsy?

edit: You could either do it like ebay style where you take a fee and people mail it to eachother, or just have people mail stuff to you and post it up for sale.

edit edit: call it voatsy! Or goatsy... or goatbay :-D

Deplorable_Me ago

Donation support for Reddit refugees? Interesting.

vacvape ago

I'm pretty sure that there's no such thing as non intrusive ads. By definition.

ShinyVoater ago

They don't pop up, they don't hijack the screen and they don't throw themselves in the middle of content. What's non nonintrusive about that?

vacvape ago

That they exist at all. Your argument is that they are less intrusive. It doesn't render then non intrusive.

Rebel_Media_FTW ago

There are plenty of sites that use unobtrusive ads, the kind you learn to ignore because they don't obstruct your viewing, have auto-play video/audio or popups.

Unless you just started using the internet yesterday, it's pretty easy to naturally tune them out.

vacvape ago

LOL.

riggington ago

And they don't start speaking all of sudden. That's one of the most shitty type.

vacvape ago

and with my audio system, it's not a risk that I can allow.

throwawayyawaworht ago

You should do an open source crowd funder where its all or nothing on donation with a clear goal that everyone can see on where the progress was. I think people are more likely to donate when they see there is a goal and how close we are to that goal.

AlbertonFreedman ago

I'm new here but the upvote block and lack of people make even high subscriber subverses seem quite. Not near as much content and most stays at zero. So little quality control. I already can't upvote now, after whatever the limit is, and I suspect a lot of people are in the same boat. It's lame. I understand the reasoning, but it takes half the fun out of this format right off the bat. It is almost a deal breaker.

AmaleksHairyAss ago

Investment implies a return. How are you proposing to offer such a return?

rwbj ago

@Atko

Ads on this site were never going to be a consistent source of revenue. People don't like seeing ads, and people who run ads are only going to do so when they see some visible returns from such. Like you mentioned charity is a short term thing. People might click on and buy some ads to support the site at first, but that novelty and the funding it provided will dissipate without returns in the future.

Instead of ads, add a simple message box that can be 'gamed' for money. For instance buying a fresh message in the textbox that lasts for a minimum of 'x' minutes/hours costs $y. The price to replace that message goes constantly down eventually making it $0 after some fair period of time, perhaps 24 hours. Now everybody is looking at the messages, not only because they'd probably be entertaining, but also to see if they can grab the free message spot. Somebody who wants to get in on top of everybody else can pay a nominal fee to do just that.

Or integrate some sort of post/thread bumps and visibility for currency, similar to Reddit Gold. They tried a bunch of random ideas to monetize the idea and that's one of the few that actually worked. Learn from their many failures and copy their few successes where it's not detrimental to the ideals of Voat. Reddit Gold actually helped on Reddit to bring some gems to life once they were buried or brigaded.

Basically make funding Voat FUN. Merchandise will likely have the same issues as the donations. The profit margins are tiny and you'll get a huge burst of initial support followed by a rapid decline down to a trickle where the opportunity cost involved in shipping everything out getting close to make the whole thing actually end up costing, rather than making, money!

Vailx ago

I like the idea of voat gold, but understand that it has serious opposition. The preferential flaring of posts in that manner, and the direct tie to money, really sets a lot of teeth gnashing. I'll point out that the current situation over on reddit- where their CEO edited posts in childish rage, leaving no trace, and then fessing up to it- ended up with his post fessing up to the editing with just a zillion Reddit Golds, and thousands and thousands of downvotes. The golds show that some people approved him (or hated the group he trolled, Trump supporters) enough to donate money to the site, and the site portrays that permanently, and on a dimension that is orthogonal to the normal upvote/downvote mechanic that normally represents their community standards. To me, that feels funny to look at.

Still, for less controversial things, it can be fun. I'm just saying, it's a move with a lot of consequences.

guinness2 ago

The preferential flaring of posts in that manner, and the direct tie to money, really sets a lot of teeth gnashing.

I propose those people with gnashing teeth come up with a better solution if they don't like Voat Gold.

potent1al ago

No not really. The thing that pisses people off about gold mostly is Reddit. For instance, Reddit hates some of it's users. the_donald specifically tells people not to gild comments as we shouldn't support Reddit... but then people from /r/politics guild them anyway. It's not the gilding people have a problem with, it's the contributing to Reddit part people have a huge problem with.

I remember Reddit initially had a lot of money problems and were desperate for donations until gilding came along and really saved them in a clutch way. Gold doesn't really hurt anyone, it's almost like a super vote that is outside the realm of whether something has a big vote or not. I think it's good, I think this should have been introduced on this site a long time ago. Between the decision of the site going away and adding gilding, easily easily add the gilding. You cannot count solely on donations to support a site like this, especially with the following context: a lot of Redditors are looking for alternative platforms. The server issues and weird downtime bugs of this site hold it back from becoming that legitimate competitor. So just consider that.

vertex ago

Maybe some microtransaction stuff. I have no idea, but I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Let people buy credits, and let them spend those credits on fun stuff. For example:

  • In addition to up/downvoating you can give medals to posts/comments, like "goat", "gold", "turd", whatever.

  • You can mute a comment for 5 minutes using credits. Muting doesn't mean that it's actually muted, just that people have to click on it to see it, a minor inconvenience that's still fun.

  • You can highlight comments (including your own) or maybe even sticky them using credits.

  • Maybe cosmetic items next to the username, like hats :)

  • Let people donate credits for submissions/comments, subtract a small processing fee for donations.

I think there should be a fine balance with something like this. Just enough to make it fun for people, but not too intrusive to make it obnoxious.

riggington ago

-Cosmetic comments? :D Fancy borders? Different font?

-Colorful username?

Ina_Pickle ago

That would be hilarious!

Riva ago

Can you guys enable paypal for donations?

6929392? ago

Donated $25. Thank you for all you do. Will donate more.

Diink ago

Also done. Thanks

thellama01 ago

I WANT A HOODIE OR SHIRT (or like a crewneck yaknow)

reeperpill ago

In Europe, investors generally will not touch a non-profitable and not politically correct project. Unless they are politicians or mafia types. In other words, people who don't have to spend their own hard earned cash.

So if one of those investment offers comes from the Eastern European mafia, or a right wing political party, I would take it.

DexterM1776 ago

I just bought some ad space. Hopefully we can help each other out.

By_The_Water ago

This year, I stopped being a sustaining member of NPR because of media bias. The good news? I have an opening in my budget. Is there any way you can set up something like that for Voat? $10-15/month for a year recurring payment and a nifty badge?

Economics principles say people respond to incentives. Incentivate! I'd throw $ at you.

Firevine ago

I'm broker than shit right now, but once I'm on my desktop, I can get set up for the $5 monthly option.

I'd like some durable Voat stickers, unless I missed them in the shop.

Dashippy ago

I would still love to see some Voat version of Reddit Gold. Given the higher quality of posts here and the more generous nature of the userbase I think it could prove to be fruitful.

wesofx ago

Give this man silver!

Firevine ago

Yep, only site where I have uBlock disabled. The ads aren't bad at all. Some of them are even funny.

Grumpy_Old_Man ago

I'm in for another $50.00.

KingofKong ago

I would be interested in a small 4 figure investment to voat as well. I don't have tons to spare but I believe in what this site does and I think its important to keep it going. Please keep us updated on the possibility of such an offer.

tentonaraft ago

I'm getting bitcoins to donate right now.

hitexfortrump ago

Merchanise please? Maybe make a merch purchase deal from backcountry.com ... their goat could be the voat goat

DM90 ago

he said "dusty wallet" too! DUSTY. gold dust maybe!

GrandpaPepe ago

Initially, have a money bar to see what is the minimum for this site to run, and it will help us donate to keep the site running. And in the process, get investors.

riggington ago

Should also have what is needed to upgrade. The to run is def just a minimum.

lakeyosemit ago

Suggestions:

  • Open up your code base so people can volunteer to fix it. If it's already open, advertise that fact and ask for help. Security by obscurity is not secure at all. If you can't afford a staff, I'm sure there are volunteers willing to help. I would myself, if it is within my abilities.

  • Offer lower budget ads. I'd be perfectly willing to advertise in plain text, or just one sub, or a reduced time period, or whatever you find best, if it didn't cost me freaking $55. A lot of $10 ads is better than none $55 ads, no?

WhiteRonin ago

It's on GitHub and runs on MVC/.net if not mistaken. How recent are the commits? Don't remeber.

lbruiser ago

Merch would be cool. I need a new shirt since going to a small recently. Also a coffee mug would be bad ass.

Mr_Sir ago

Just sent 67 vis BTC

qpwt ago

Don't take on an investor. Remain independent. It's the only way you can avoid pressure to influence content and users on the site. It's the only way you can remain in control (if the conspiracy theorists are incorrect and voat it not compromised). And even when you have employees, you must be vigilant and purge those that do not hold the values of Voat dear to their hearts.

I have begun supporting individuals who provide services that facilitate freedom of speech. Whether it's a website or a web series, it is now worth it to pay for these things via direct donations or subscription services until they demonstrate a lack of freedom of speech. One of them uses Patreon to facilitate donations, but there are other ways.

If there is a way to support Voat via recurring donation then let me know, I will do it. Today is the first time I've decided to donate. I've been here long enough to see that this place is a rowdy bunch of shit-stained faggots devoted to saying whatever the fuck we want. I like it that way. The internet has provided a great place, not a safe space, for us to anonymously voice opinions and receive feedback on those opinions. To test the waters. Let all voices be heard! And if a voice is spewing stupid fucking bullshit, let the backlash whip them on the ass on their way out, as their ideas vacate the forum to be re-evaluated in the private depths of the individual perpetrator's mind. And so, together, we turn coal (carbon) into diamonds with the pressure of argument, facts, reason, and logic.

I'm donating $10 now. Remain independent.

xeemee ago

The internet has provided a great place, not a safe space, for us to anonymously voice opinions ...

NSA 'Bob': did you get that?

NSA 'Bill': yeah, got it

qpwt ago

lol yeah I know I know. Anonymous to the layman, at least. That's good enough for me (at most times).

DM90 ago

@Atko , i wanted to say this earlier but couldn't remember your username but i really wanted to message you and thank you, so i will do it here: it is so fortunate that the person who decided to take up the job of creating an alternative to the other site was someone so committed and dedicated to the cause and such a believer in the freedom of speech and wasn't instead picked up by someone trying to make some money or someone who'd give-up at the first hurdle. I never believed an alternative as good as this would happen. Thank you for this gift that you have given us all and that continue to do so :) <3 much love and respect. thank you

lawofzero ago

I wasn't in the position to donate anything during my last round here and after all this time I still haven't made anything of myself. I have tried my hardest to live by my anti-establishment sentiments and be true to myself but it is getting harder and harder to live in this world.

@atko, sincerely, if I could I would donate enough to this website to keep it going for decades. After more than a decade of modding and tweaking and playing around with code while working blue collar jobs, I have been presented with the opportunity to study. Once I am on the roll that I know that I am destined for, I am definitely making this website a part of my payment to the world for putting up with this slacker.

I'm not sure what I really came here to say other than to praise this place and reflect but I wish that I could contribute somehow, I don't even have a bank account at the moment. And I'm at the point of drunkenness where I cannot remember where I started once I've reached the end of something. Thank Odin for gesture based keyboards.

DM90 ago

I think its because im high but the first time i read your first sentence i read it as "if it wasn't for the poison then i'd donate" then my mind created this possible scandal where voat had poisoned someone. then i re-read it. laughed. then posted this.

lawofzero ago

Yeah I'm rambling a fuckton and I should probably stop but I'm both high and on a high. Glad I could provide the laugh lol. If anything, Voat is the antidote.

DM90 ago

and then this

xeemee ago

regarding potential investors: being that free-speech and transparency is important to this community, i would hope that potential investors who value these principals would also be transparent regarding their interest in Voat - as such, i would like to request that any potential investors agree to be scrutinized by the community before any agreements are signed

smittieaj ago

I would probably pay good money for a decent VOAT app. And, an app would add one more way for you to monetize with ads, etc... Just throwing that out there.

Cynabuns ago

IKR, lol

deanna ago

As there is zero merchandise for purchase, atm, lets have some fun for a good cause.

I have a size medium VOAT hoodie from the first round of merchandising. It kept me warm shoveling Boston's 106" of snow last year so it's famous. And in mint condition - see pictures below.

You guys bid for it - highest bidder donates directly to VOAT. After you show proof, I'll mail you the hoodie on my dime. (I'll dryclean before shipping and attach receipt)

Front Back

shitlord4life ago

How much did you pay for it? I feel like you should at least start the bids there.

deanna ago

it doesn't matter, really. the end game is giving back to Voat. It did go for a bit more than I paid, which is brilliant. @Pro-Roller won the toss and it's been shipped. great user name, btw

shitlord4life ago

Ah good, I just figured it would start the bidding higher so you could at least recover shipping and also more $ for voat. You're the real MVP.

Thank you, see you at v/fph 🙋

PRO-Roller ago

Nice initiative @deanna. I'll bid if its open to Europeans too?

deanna ago

absolutely. have at it.

Dumb_Comment_Bot ago

Since no one is making offers ~ 20$ . My fiancee is perpetually cold and winter is coming.

PRO-Roller ago

I bid $33.33.

@deanna

PRO-Roller ago

You are too kind. $49,95 it is, thank you.

@deanna

deanna ago

Looking like you won. Grats!!

Do your donate thing and PM me your shipping addy.

Dumb_Comment_Bot ago

I was at work all day! Dammit!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I would have at most gone to 55$ anyway so he probably would have outbid me. But fuck goddamit.

deanna ago

send me a PM and i'll send you a runner's up / christmas present.

PRO-Roller ago

Turns out I'm too light on points to send PMs. Could you initiate, send me a PM, then maybe I can reply?

PRO-Roller ago

Good news :D

Donation sent, I'll PM you.

DependasaurusRex ago

Okay, Ned.

SockGuy ago

If you need designer socks for your merchandise to sell hit me up. I am a sock manufacture.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Goddammit now I want Voat socks

guinness2 ago

I would buy that if sold through the official Voat shop.

repoman ago

How can we be sure you didn't put your junk in the socks before selling them?

Also, do you sell socks roughly the size a toddler would wear?

SockGuy ago

For real ? Their has been over 250,000 textile jobs lost in nc after clinton. My company was established in 1939 by my grand father. I am a Vet. And why am I responding to this troll @repoman

ShineShooter ago

Email Putt, we can all be wearing cozy goat gear by the new year!

TedShield ago

With all that sock money I hope you have donated too.

ShinyVoater ago

Just make sure they're made in the USA.

PuttItOut ago

I dig this and we are looking to have the community to be involved in our merch effort. If you are serious please email us as I'd love to discuss this with you.

SockGuy ago

I am very serious. Made in the USA. 600 pair minimum per style. Price will range around 3.00 per pair usually under.

8_billion_eaters ago

Why not just provide a P.O. box address so we could send money orders made out to Voat?

MtnPatriot ago

If you need help, you need to allow people who want to help you do so. I agree, give us more options, cause some of us are not going to bitcoin.

eyeofeve ago

I would do this.I too am keen to donate to the site but am concerned about privacy, and bitcoin is beyond my poor brains ability to comprehend,I struggle with normal bankiing at the best of times.

DeplorablyDeplored ago

Going to second this because bitcoin and such is a hassle for me. Wouldn't mind having this as an option.

Ivegotredditcancer ago

Can I have something sewn on them? I'd like my voat socks to say Gary.

reeperpill ago

Do you offer light wool socks?

SockGuy ago

Yes I do.

pollard ago

cashmere comes from goats

SockGuy ago

Cashmere fibers are in essence serrated. So every time you apply pressure the touching fibers cut like a knife against each other. Socks are worn the quickest in textiles, since they are constantly rubbing. Cashmere socks wear out exponentially faster than other fibers.

SockGuy ago

I can make any sock you want so long as you purchase the minimum required. Minimums are usually set by fabric content.

TremorAcePV ago

Dude, I love what you're doing. I realize you of course have this as a business, but I love how open to what a social platform can do.

Keep it up :D

EnochGenesis ago

name checks out.

lbruiser ago

I would buy Voat socks. Just a simple upvoat, downvoat button on the ankle.

If you have a store front, you could sell them and donate a percentage of profit to the site. Id by a few pairs easy.

SockGuy ago

We have an extreamly small store front. Vast majority of buyers are elder buying diabetic or compression socks.

sinjinsmythe ago

Socks, tshirts please!

Zednix ago

I would buy a sock with a goat on it

SockGuy ago

Putting a goat on it would be no problem.

Babbert_Scientific ago

Hey! Maybe we can use some sort of Advertisement trick. We watch more ads=You get more money/support. There is this thing called Tad I would like you to check out. https://www.gettad.com/advertisers/

Lord-Stokeworth ago

I'm not associated with VOAT in any way but generally the increased regulatory & legal requirements make this sort of investment not worth it. I believe this is the main reason you don't see equity ever offered in crowdfunding.

VACWS ago

VOAT could IPO as a penny stock, place X% in the owners hands in a non-dilutable amount, and write the charter to require the protection of VOAT's original values. It would cost about $150,000 all put together

stuff123 ago

You do realize that voat is currently siphoning off users from reddit which is a site that has shown hostility to trump supporters. Can you imagine if a hedge fund like Soros's caught wind off this?? They would absolutely tank the stock, or they would buy it up and control @atko. Venture capital is an immensely better choice at this stage.

VACWS ago

The owners can keep a controlling percentage

Fourletterexpletive ago

Unless the company has unforeseeable and costly litigation that owners cannot afford, then they'll just be bankrupt with the same effect

stuff123 ago

that's optimistic talk when billions start getting thrown around

PM_ME_UR_LOVE ago

I just donated, I'm more than happy to help you folks. Keep up the great work!

Atko ago

This would be a very good way to further involve the users and my gut feeling is that this is probably the best solution. Even as low as 1k should be doable. We are open for suggestions.

Escort ago

I would invest a grand or so, no question.

Uma_Thurman ago

This is a perfect use case for a dapp on ethereum.

Donbuster ago

So I had a response for this, and it turned into a crazy long jumble of ideas and personal brainstorming. To keep other users from having to scroll through a giant wall of text, I put it up on pastebin for anyone interested. I talked about issues with this in particular, and my general thoughts on funding. Warning, it's unstructured as fuck...

http://pastebin.com/aLn8UrPN

I need sleep.

go1dfish ago

You could set up something like colored coins on the Bitcoin blockchain:

http://bitcoinist.com/colored-coins-work-bitcoin-blockchain/

Basically you map something akin to a share to an incredibly minuscule bit of bitcoin and it gets tracked in the blockchain. NASDAQ and such are experimenting with this for certain types of trades as well.

With this people could invest and receive dividends anonymously. Reddit was looking into something similar with /r/redditnotes (back when they actually had a free-speech and AR15 loving troll of a CEO named Yishan) but they abandoned it partially for legal reasons (and probably because the distributed bitcoin based reddit-like platform he was planning to go along with it would hurt to many feels for Pao).

Legal hurdles are likely to be the biggest hassle with any approach to investment. Being outside of the US you might have more freedom on that front though.

Voat_a_Goat_Mamma ago

My suggestion: A PO Box we can mail money orders to.

Dereliction ago

If Voat is a US entity, you'd be restricted to a small number of investors unless you make Voat a public company, which is a costly and demanding process. You'll need a good lawyer and accountant, regardless what you choose.

flashurnands ago

I'm not sure this is the right way to go but if you decide it's what is best, well, I've done a lot worse with much more than 1k.

Bing11 ago

Mad River Glen is a ski cooperative in Vermont, USA. They sell "shares" for ~$2500 to their skiers. For the share you get 1 vote in shareholder meetings. No one can own more than 4 shares. If you are a shareholder you actually have to spend at least $500/year on the mountain.

This might be a model worth considering...

stuff123 ago

Dude, what is your exact plan for spending this cash? You're asking for donations, yet you're not being transparent about where it's being spent!? I know this is part time stuff, but you need to tell people how you're spending the cash so people can actually assist you if you're making a mistake. What if a cloud provider like Rackspace is willing to give you a discount, but they don't know if you're using AWS, Azure, GCP, etc.

You have the potential to become reddit, stop fucking around.

go1dfish ago

This is an older post but it helps put in perspective how much the hosting costs are:

https://voat.co/v/announcements/815298

shakin_my_head ago

As would I sounds like a win win.

Edit. Sounds like a headache for voat.

Robobama ago

It's not a bad idea, and its also a bad idea at the same time. I would take the time to seek out expert industry advice as well as legal advice, and then weigh the pros and cons of such a decision. I want to see this site succeed, but i definitely don't want to see it compromised from its current form.

psymin ago

I'm interested in what you come up with. I want voat to survive, I think it is a valuable resource. Valuable enough to invest in.

whisky_cat ago

I'd very much consider dropping a grand on Voat if this comes to fruition.

user1 ago

ditto.

DraxxThemSklounst ago

could be a goldmine too if reddit dies and everyone comes here.

MyNameIsBing ago

Reddit dying seems unlikely though. Maybe /u/Spez will fuck up more causing more people to come here. We an hope

ReactTM ago

I can see voat becoming bigger then reddit as they continue to fuck up. But yeah, I don't see reddit dying.

Chiefpacman ago

Same.

I don't like the idea of, give us money to throw at it for now, we'll work out a solution when we get there.

How about we work out a solution now. Hasn't this been an issue for a long time?

Edit: I hate to be this guy, but our admin pops in every 10 days. I honestly don't know how much he could be brought to care.

Chiefpacman ago

I went ahead and donated $5 to justify my complaining

SaneGoatiSwear ago

i have no problem being that guy!

people boycott video game devs for less.

the lack of communication, transparency, and growth are major warning bells.

qpwt ago

If the service is good, the users should be willing to pay for it without receiving equity in the company. When others take equity, you lose control, either by being beholden to 1 big investor or 1 thousand smaller investors. Plus, it would be difficult to parse through all of those investors. A majority of them could be from the same group of people, trying to take over Voat.

As I stated in my other comment, I would be willing to donate via recurring subscription. I don't mind if my identity is known to Voat, so long as Voat makes a reasonable effort to protect it. Supporting free speech is worth that.

Still others prefer anonymity. Understandable. Give the people what they want, eh?

EDIT: keep it simple. always the best method to ensure quality.

The_Bohemian ago

Pretty much exactly the problem with Reddit. The corporate paymaster controls the show.

Please avoid going down this path.

stuff123 ago

I think the bigger problem here is that we're running out of time to siphon off reddit. Let's say we don't get voat the investment it needs, then voat dies. Ok, now lets say voat gets an investment from some venture capital firm not related to conde nast, then voat lives but is doomed to suffer the same fate as reddit. Ok, so is that necessarily bad if voat suffers the same fate as reddit and ends up being replaced just like digg and reddit? I don't see a problem necessarily with this.

The real elephant in the room that needs to be addressed is that reddit is learning. Do you really think reddit is going to repeat its ellen pao or spez mistakes? No fucking way... Therefore, there will be less opportunities for voat to siphon off users and reach critical mass.

In other words, the enemy of my enemy is my friend for now.

Also, there are some investors out there that aren't complete dirt bags. Spez and Ohanian were mostly always in it for the monetary reward, so they took the first investments they could get (generally the worst come first in venture capital) rather than looking for an investor who shared the vision for the mission statement. Remember, these people have billions of dollars to burn through, they're not overly concerned with seeing ROI's from a couple million dollars of investment into something that has the capability of replacing reddit.

Cynabuns ago

It will change... every few minutes. But his pattern is pretty much the same.

6928862? ago

Give me a way to donate without giving you all my personal information.

ashekchum ago

Bitcoin?

6928924? ago

According to another post, they ask for it via Bitcoin as well.

AOU ago

If you click the bitcoin address in the coinbase page, it will open your default bitcoin client and you won't need to register to coinbase.

ashekchum ago

Yes I was pointing it out

6929058? ago

I think you've misunderstood what I meant. It seems they still ask for personal information.

I don't need to give my home address to buy a humble bundle, why do I need to give it to donate a few bucks to my favorite website?

TaveuniThunder ago

I'm not an expert. But I just donated bitcoin without entering my personal info. Maybe someone can double-check me since I use Breadwallet on iOS and am still learning.

I clicked donate and then bitcoin. I just copied Voat's bitcoin address and then went to my Breadwallet and sent some bits to them. I think this does the trick.

6929422? ago

I'll have to take a look, then. Bitcoin is a pain in the arse, but I'm willing to try.

ThatOnePrivacyGuy ago

Upon joining, I immediately looked at donating - but decided against it when I couldn't do so without providing personal information or tying the donation to my account by logging in, even by Bitcoin. Am I missing something? Is there a way to donate anonymously?

I also looked at making an ad, but it appears that "payment options" gets skipped and I'm forced to pay with a credit card, I can't win!

Edit: Donated direct to Voat's coinbase wallet address, but I'd still like to place an ad and pay with Bitcoin.

stickittotheman ago

How about mailing address to send cash

Nekochan11 ago

Voat needs to have a talk with some banks (or credit unions or whatever) and get a method set up so that people can donate money directly to voat with secure credit card payments.

nmgoh2 ago

Heh. This is a fun paradox. You want to support a site all about honesty, transparency, and freedom of speech, but you don't want to donate because someone could track who's paying them.

Donbuster ago

So voat is run by two guys, and everything is handled personally. I'm sure ad purchase over bitcoin will be possible eventually, but in the meantime, why don't you ask them? Create a throwaway email account, send a message to [email protected], and they should respond in a few days. I would be shocked if they don't say yes to an anonymous ad buy over bitcoin.

KinkRaven ago

@atko you should replace the coinbase deposit address with a Ledger Nano S hardware walllet.

You can then accept bitcoin and ethereum, securely and completely under your control. Coinbase is fighting the IRS right now and is probably not a great place to have donations routed to (and it's less secure than using a hardware wallet).

Ping me if you need help or have questions.

cheers

Baccarat ago

The advertising service here needs a makeover IMHO. I'd be lifetime purchaser if Voat could improve the ad platform :)

0fsgivin ago

Yes...they have been silencing liberals for quite awhile under the guisse of "off topic"

https://voat.co/v/whatever/1347811

exhibit A. https://voat.co/v/TheDonald/modlog/comment <-- that spam? adverts? child porn? Nooo...its off topic! not a slipper slope at all #safespace.

but don't worry im just a tinfoil hat idiot. Atko won't sell your asses out as soon as inevitably the liberals come here and they are worth more advertising dollars. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/oct/10/mondaymediasection9

But rest assured im just an asshole. And this isn't Digg 3.0.

0fsgivin ago

I wouldn't donate. You're only a cog in the wheel. Censorship already had reared its ugly head here.

https://voat.co/v/TheDonald/modlog/comment <--- thats not spam, its not CP, and its not adverts. He allowed censorship of liberal views until liberals go tired of reddit. But if you like conservative views being censored to pander to you next. don't worry Im sure thats coming next. Since advertisers pay more for young people. and liberals tend to be that.

Rebel_Media_FTW ago

VISA and Mastercard issue gift cards that work exactly like a CC online. Most banks issue them and 7-Eleven has them as well.

Some of them require an online activation to track use/current amount, but don't verify the name/address you give.

Banks generally allow you to put an exact amount you need over $20 + a small fee. so get one for the money you want to donate and then toss the card. no security worries.

ThatOnePrivacyGuy ago

Sure. But I can pay with Bitcoin without having to leave home and drive to two other places. I'm just saying, how badly do they want donations?

xster ago

I don't see any issues supporting Voat in the most public way possible. We are the people. Would have liked a 27$ option too for sentimental value

canbot ago

How do you propose they make that happen?

ThatOnePrivacyGuy ago

They can roll their own bitcoin address and give you the address. This would mean I don't have to use coinbase's system.

Dereliction ago

You don't have to use Coinbase's system. Just send it to the address found here: https://www.coinbase.com/voat.

indiglo_girls ago

Your Voat account IS anonymous. You, or at least I, did not have to provide any personal info to open the Voat account.

riggington ago

This. But I have 2 accounts here now. First I made on paogate, and wasn't here for long, that was with a name that's kinda personal. This one I made when they banned pizzagate and I'm here to stay. This one isn't really tied to me.

So I donated and gave my info and gave the other username. I don't really mind giving my credit card info, but I'd like to not tie it to my account.

Grumpy_Old_Man ago

I donated by credit card, the same as I would buy something from Amazon I don't understand what the big deal is.

WeekendBaker ago

Being associated with a site that says the n word.

I think I'll chip in a tenner tomorrow.

Never_Over ago

this is what killed it for myself aswell, sorry Atko

Sephel ago

Yes yes yes yes yes. This. I had committed to a donation until I realized I needed all my personal info.

sielinda ago

Yes! Right

DiscontentedMajority ago

Plus there's this. Which does not inspire me to hand over info.

brass ago

That's what I bumped into as well. I'd even accept paypal as an option. :/

DiscontentedMajority ago

I just use bitcoin

brass ago

I dumped all my bitcoins and mining setup at nearly the peak value a while back. The return paid for all my stuff and electricity and a vacation. I figured I'd never get that lucky again, so I've walked away from bitcoin entirely.

DiscontentedMajority ago

I don't mine anymore as it's not worth trying to keep up with Chinese farmers, but I still had some bitcoins in an online wallet.

Circle makes using bitcoin super easy.

Isis_Pizza ago

Yeah that's definitely sketch at best. I'm sure the mods at Voat have good intentions, but that's a red flag in my eyes.

dv1155 ago

Lie. The only thing that gets checked is your zip code. Enter anything you want into the name and street address field.

Sephel ago

I was not aware. "Lying" implies I knowingly provided false information. You truly believe I attempted to lie about this?

dv1155 ago

What? No, I'm saying you should enter false information into the fields, the only thing that matters in the zip code. When I've donated I've been John Smith and 123 Fake St in my zip code.

Yiziola ago

ditto

Fahrvergnaked ago

Same here.

deformedwarf ago

You can donate without providing personal info here: www.coinbase.com/voat

Fred-Stiller-OnAWire ago

The Coinbase link (https://www.coinbase.com/voat)) should have a "Use bitcoin address" option which shouldn't require an account unlike the "Use Coinbase wallet" option which will require one.

AOU ago

If you click the bitcoin address in the coinbase page, it will open your default bitcoin client.

6928776? ago

Thank you Atko, and it's nice to hear from you.

I think many of us recognized that you scaled up the servers due to the great site performance today. Earlier today I called for Voaters to donate $5 to help with this. I'll also be donating $30-50 at the end of next month to account for my $10/month pledge (haven't donated for several months).

I hope you guys come across investors whose values agree with our own very soon

Pllatinum ago

I just threw $10 at you. What I would really like though is to be able to buy a cozy voat hoodie to support the site. Mousepad too.

I love this place.

ham-sandwitch ago

Mousepad would be especially good IMO.

Sirskills ago

they are so cozy indeed. wore mine 48 hours on election day and following day, and I'm not even American!

BaitSauce ago

the hoodie is nice and cozy, wear it everywhere now.

DM90 ago

I'd buy this <3 i think the more things we get out in the wild the better :)

CKC ago

Didn't see any Merch in the shop. Hoodie? Do I not see it possibly because it's sold out?

DM90 ago

i meant it as in "if this existed, i'd buy it"

Imadeaccount ago

I've donated!

Will you feature /v/fatpeoplehate for us, pretty please?

go1dfish ago

IMO featuring shouldn't work that way. If you want to feature FPH you should buy an ad. That's what they are for.

But it is one of the larger communities so I wouldn't be mad if it got featured.

HomerSimpson ago

We have bought an ad lol

Disappointed ago

There's a bit of history behind this so it's not as black and white as it seems.

HomerSimpson ago

What history?

Disappointed ago

You were part of it so why ask?

HomerSimpson ago

Curious on what specifically you were referring to? The exodus?

Disappointed ago

No you were asking to buy adspace for a while.

HomerSimpson ago

Oh. I didn't read the context of their comment. Thought you were referring to something else.

Atko ago

Thank you for donating! I will feature it mid next week, I promise. I felt so bad when homer called me out the other day...

HomerSimpson ago

Well. Glad my annoyances fix issues.

Thanks sug

Artofchoke ago

Do you need volunteers for any annoying or menial tasks?

FPSFairy ago

I'm sure you could volunteer for spam patrol.

Artofchoke ago

I'm a goddamn ignoramus but you tell me when and how, and I'll be there with bells on. 🐒

6928724? ago

Don't worry atko, I bought a bunch of powerball tickets. I got this!!

pornhub_katie ago

Thanks for all yo do!

hwong ago

Looks like it time for sub-mods to pony up. Get a Voat ad for your suberses? i'll be making an ad for /v/virtualreality here in a day or so.....

AOU ago

I've got some bitcoin left in my dusty wallet.

Sending some in a moment. :)

AOU ago

@atko check your wallet. :)

https://i.sli.mg/BXgDJC.png

jerry ago

WITNESSED!!

AOU ago

@atko @puttitout

Transfer has been confirmed on my side. Can you confirm?

Al_Rubyx ago

With the amount of decimal places he likely has it set to mbtc. Nice prank tho.

Schmut ago

Nice :D

Makes_U_Mad ago

$736/coin = $14,720.

0_0

Erwachener ago

Holy Shit, Merry Christmas to Voat!

DM90 ago

sorry did you just send 20 bitcoins?

AOU ago

I wish I had that much. :)

The amount in Electrum is shown in mBTC. It's $14.75 at the current rate.

There are more than a hundred thousand voaters.

If everyone of us would just give even $0.1, that would be more than enough to cover the running fees.

ExposingPedoJewz ago

Cheap "bustard" ? Man.. I was gonna make a joke and call you cheap but autocorrect just fucked everything up.

DM90 ago

good point

TrumpPSA ago

The bankers understand the cyclical nature of politics and have given us a false revolution to retain their grip on power. They are the controlled opposition. It's called full spectrum control/dominance. Trump was nothing more than a false revolution to restore faith in the system that the same elites still control.

Trump isn't prosecuting Hillary.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-hillary-shes-been-through-enough

Trump's pick for Education Cheif is billionaire Betsy DeVos who's pro Common Core and admits to buying political influence with Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/23/potential-trump-education-chief-pick-betsy-devos-pro-common-core-family-donated-clinton-foundation/

And here she is admitting that she buys political influence.

https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/801495776467689472

Trump giving Jewish son-in-law top Whitehouse position.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-jewish-son-in-law-could-land-a-top-white-house-position/

" Kushner also spearheaded the campaign’s data operation and helped craft some policy speeches, including Trump’s address at this year’s AIPAC Policy Conference, and was often the last person Trump spoke to before making any major decisions."

Zionist Organization Of America support Bannon.

https://mobile.twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/799222358661677056

Donald Trump's Goldman Sachs campaign manager (Stephen Bannon) just said that money doesn't control politics.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/15/steve-bannon-wall-street-reform-not-money-controls-washington-washington-controls-money/

Trump's pick to head the Treasury is a Goldman Sachs hedge fund manager ( was also employed by Soros and Hollywood media firms)

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-14/trump-advisers-said-to-recommend-mnuchin-for-treasury-secretary

Trump to make Jewish billionaire sacmmer Wilber Ross head of the Department of commerce.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-15/carl-icahn-speaks-donald-trump-mnuchin-wilber-ross-considered-treasury-and-commerce

Ex Goldman Sachs banker Bannon running Trump's campaign.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/steve-bannons-vision-for-the-trump-coalition-after-election-day

Bannon Goldman Sachs ( One of many Goldman Sachs associates working for him)

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/08/17/donald-trump-bannon-mnuchin-goldman/?source=dam

Clinton's CIA director James Woosley working for Trump.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/james-woolsey-advising-trump-228026

Woosley working for Rothschild

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

Bannon running Trump's campaign.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/10/washpost-trump-went-low-steve-bannon-found-new-direction-lower/

Woosley Clinton's ex CIA director that works for the Rothschilds in Genie Energy is advising Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/12/defection-bill-clintons-cia-director-james-woolsey-joins-donald-trumps-campaign-senior-adviser/

Trump disavows Alt-Right and calls them racist.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

Trump backtracking on climate change.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-visit.html?_r=0&referer=

Here are the Jews of the Trump cabal, in order of appearance. Some are very familiar, like his daughter and son-in-law. Others are billionaires who supported Trump’s campaign, and others yet are not so famous:

Michael Abboud (Sephardic Jew) – Communications Coordinator, Donald J. Trump for President

Paul Achleitner (Ashkenazic Jew) – Chairman, Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank (Donald Trump’s largest lender)

Sheldon Adelson (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Elliott Broidy (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice Chairman, Trump Victory Committee

Michael Cohen (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President and Special Counsel, The Trump Organization

Gil Dezer (Ashkenazic Jew) – President, Trump Dezer Development

Michael Dezer (Ashkenazic Jew) – Founder, Trump Dezer Development

Lewis Eisenberg (Ashkenazic Jew) – Chairman, Trump Victory Committee

Boris Epshteyn (Ashkenazic Jew) – Senior Adviser, Donald J. Trump for President

Stephen Feinberg (Ashkenazic Jew) – Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council; Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Alan Fishman (Ashkenazic Jew) – Chairman, Ladder Capital (Donald Trump’s second largest lender)

David Friedman (Ashkenazic Jew) – Co-Chairman, Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump

Samuel Fox (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice Chairman, Trump Victory Committee

Alan Garten (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President and General Counsel, The Trump Organization

Bruce Gelb (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Michael Glassner (Ashkenazic Jew) – Deputy Campaign Manager and Former National Political Director, Donald J. Trump for President

Lawrence Glick (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President of Strategic Development, The Trump Organization

Jason Greenblatt (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer, The Trump Organization; Co-Chairman, Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump

Vincent Harris (Ashkenazic Jew) – Former Digital Strategy Manager, Donald J. Trump for President

Carl Icahn (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Peter Kalikow (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Daniel Kowalski (Ashkenazic Jew) – Deputy Policy Director, Donald J. Trump for President

Charles Kushner (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Jared Kushner (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Yael Kushner [née Ivanka Trump] (Orthodox Jewish convert) – Executive Vice President, The Trump Organization

Bennett LeBow (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Richard LeFrak (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Corey Lewandowski (Ashkenazic Jew/East European) – Former Campaign Manager, Donald J. Trump for President

Ronald Lieberman (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President of Management & Development, The Trump Organization

Howard Lorber (Ashkenazic Jew) – Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council; Donor, Trump Victory Fund

David Malpass (Ashkenazic Jew) – Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council

Douglas Manchester (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Make America Great Again PAC

Bernard Marcus (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Rebekah Mercer (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Make America Number One PAC

Robert Mercer (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Make America Number One PAC

Amanda Miller (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice President of Marketing, The Trump Organization

Eli Miller (Ashkenazic Jew) – Chief Operating Officer, Donald J. Trump for President

Jason Miller (Ashkenazic Jew) – Senior Communications Adviser, Donald J. Trump for President

Stephen Miller (Ashkenazic Jew) – National Policy Director, Donald J. Trump for President

Steven Mnuchin (Ashkenazic Jew) – National Finance Chairman, Donald J. Trump for President

Samuel Nunberg (Ashkenazic Jew) – Former Policy Adviser, Donald J. Trump for President

David Orowitz (Ashkenazic Jew) – Senior Vice President of Acquisitions and Development, The Trump Organization

Geoffrey Palmer [né Weissinger] (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Rebuilding America Now PAC

John Paulson (Ashkenazic Jew) – Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council

Stewart Rahr (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Richard Roberts (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice Chairman, Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump

George Ross (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President and Senior Counsel, The Trump Organization

Wilbur Ross (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Steven Roth (Ashkenazic Jew) – Member, Trump Economic Advisory Council; Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Felix Sater (Ashkenazic Jew) – Former Senior Adviser, The Trump Organization

Keith Schiller (Ashkenazic Jew) – Director of Security, The Trump Organization

Melvin Sembler (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice Chairman, Trump Victory Committee

Lara Trump [née Yunaska] (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Vanessa Trump [née Haydon] (Ashkenazic Jew/North European) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

Ronald Weiser (Ashkenazic Jew) – Vice Chairman, Trump Victory Committee

Andrew Weiss (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President, The Trump Organization

Allen Weisselberg (Ashkenazic Jew) – Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, The Trump Organization

Lawrence Weitzner (Ashkenazic Jew) – Adviser, Donald J. Trump for President

Steven Witkoff (Ashkenazic Jew) – Donor, Trump Victory Fund

Stephen Wynn [né Weinberg] (Ashkenazic Jew) – Endorser, Donald J. Trump for President

-Is Hillary going to be prosecuted? They've said NO. (Because apparently there was never anything to prosecute).

-Is Trump going to sue all the women who claimed sexual assault? NO

-Is Trump going to build the wall? NO, A FENCE WILL DO.

)-Is Trump going to deport the 17 million undocumented immigrants? NOPE. (Claiming maybe 3 million, but with no force to implement and no place to put them, we'll see)

-Is Trump going to implement Term Limits, as he promised? NO (GOP said they will never let it happen.

-Is Trump going to remove Obamacare? NO (Now he wants to modify it.

-Is Trump going to get rid of NAFTA? Iran Agreement? NO (too complicated, and may prefer to hold them accountable to the agreement.

-Is Trump going to DRAIN THE SWAMP? NO (He's already hired numerous lobbyists whom are exactly what the swamp needs to be drained of.

-Is Trump going to submit a Stimulus Package? YES (Quite similar to the one Obama had been trying to pass forever but GOP kept obstructing,

eagleshigh ago

Keep spreading the truth bro.

Donbuster ago

Cynabuns ago

That's Our Amalek™

Donbuster ago

He seems even more flustered and less coherent than usual...

Cynabuns ago

Drugs are a helluva thing.

theMETA ago

God, if there was ever a reason for me to be a millionaire...

Cynabuns ago

We are on it!

Any way that you could make this appear in every subverse?

HomerSimpson ago

Fix the site crashing every few minutes and I will get you a few hundred dollar donation.

Make improvements more quickly and stop listening to mob rule.

Feature /v/fatpeoplehate you dang admin.

TrumpPSA ago

Yeah! STOP LISTENING TO MOB RULE. NOW DO WHAT WE SAY!

mispelledsomething ago

I haven't seen the maintenance goat all morning.

HomerSimpson ago

I haven't been on today but yesterday was hard

ibepokey ago

i believe it's fixed. been on for more than a couple hours and haven't refreshed once