10 enforce the rules consistently and fairly. Don't use the rules to punish people who float ideas you don't like while allowing the same rules to be broken over and over. If you can't do that change the rules to fit how you are moderating. Rule 3 is broken all the time and ignored. Rule one says it has to be about sex abuse by elites but that is frequently broken. Yet both those rules have been used to delete posts I made.

Expecting a mod to never miss something is dumb and you know it.

I vote number 4 @ESOTERICshade to replace millennial-fag-a-ton

3, 10.

/v/pizzagate has become diluted by mindless bullshit, loose connections, anti-Jew circlejerks, and is hard to take seriously. The mods need to start moving a good percentage of not good quality posts to /v/pizzagatewhatever.

The Achilles' Heel of the sub and Voat overall is that they're too afraid to actually moderate in fear of being accused of censorship. But moving shitty threads to a different but related sub isn't really censorship, the message is still there for the world to find and the /v/pizzagatewhatever link is right there in the sidebar. If the author feels that they deserve to be in /v/pizzagate then they can improve their post and resubmit until it meets quality standards.

That way, when a person comes here with an actually good thread that goes deep and explores something important, the visibility and stickability (how long it stays near the top) will be at its maximum. Thus, when newcomers come here to figure out "What's Pizzagate all about" they'll be bombarded with high quality evidence and discussion rather than weak threads they can easily shrug off as just random noise.

I vote for number 4 if it counts.

Go ask your mum to spoonfeed you little boy. I'm done. I've already shown you, proven you wrong, YES WRONG in every accusation you made (you seem to have the memory of a slug). I've shown you the links, I've told you where to find them. The burden is on you to look it up. No more free lunch for losers like you.

@Crensch I voat 2 but add @think- as a mod to share the burden.

Yes. I noticed about a month ago that he was quite even-handed and able to separate his personal opinions from what's best for the sub. He also doesn't obsess over stuff, tries to help other people, and avoids flame wars.

4 " Please feel free to be the first to provide evidence of wrongdoing on his part." ...OK I will start with the most resent post of mine that was deleted by Mr . MF . Here...

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2386053

Isolated case? Um no.. seems like an epidemic actually .. even talked about on voat here ...

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2163711

And here... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1562211 Just to name a few . This post was deleted within a min of me posting it . ( typical during MF hours) I thought the post was relevant to at least research the kids family etc. I decided to continue that research on my own . Found out some interesting things about this young man that lives in Utah too! It would of been nice to have this post left up so others could help research as well . Isn't that what we do, research? 19 year olds having sex with toddlers and animals isn't something that happens in
" normal " family's ! These people are bred like this for a reason ! As we have learned , these people like to keep this crap in the family . So why delete it MF ? Before anyone could even see it ? I have pages of relevant posts that have been deleted by you . This is hindering our potential here big time IMO.
Oh and I will Just bring this up too . Calling me a Homophobic after posting the " Gay Manifesto " and deleting my post , was way out of line . I don't care if it was the " heterosexual " manifesto,( WE SHOULD BE ALOUD TO KNOW ABOUT THIS) it was relevant as anything , given that this was recognized in congressional records even ! That's my 2 cents . I have more than that if you need anymore " proof " from me . I will just have to sift through all my posts that were deleted and read his very lame excuses for deleting them .

Currently I am advocating for @millennial_falcon to be demodded and @think- to be modded in his place (as per @vindicator's recommendation).

Wait...what? I didn't recommend @millennial_falcon be demodded.

https://archive.is/gGEqo - 16 Feb 2018 06:43:59

No but you need to be on something, you're a psychopath.

I've shown 4 posts that were deleted in the pizzagate mod sub. MF isn't doing his job - that post lists 4 deleted submissions. There was nothing needed to support any of them. MF didn't read them.

I think you sound a lot like John Podesta actually. Similarities in ad hominem attacks, style, tone lack of logic, etc. You must be him. https://twitter.com/johnpodesta

I don't have burdens of being an asshole like you do. Never studied women studies, I studied the sciences. I didn't have the pics so I can't mail them to you, can I? You act like a 13 year old kid, not an adult.

I'm eating pizza, god i hate myself

I change my voat to 8.

I pick 7 and think we should invest in prayer to keep the board running smoothly.

I suspect there is paranormal activity going on with the board, we have attracted the Dijing and it concerns me.

4

I VOTE FOR 4 - PUT MY NAME ON THE LIST NOW.

I forgot to ping that nigga

@Crensch - Number 4 - Add @think-

I vote 4 and add @think-

Some of you spineless fuckers need to step up to the plate and put your name on the list at number 4. I did and crensch won't even add me to the list. Number four is what I vote for. I realize this is public and crensch fucked us on that deal but this is your chance fuckers.

Millenium Falco for one has a public instagram that shows he worked for Roberta’s pizza. A pizza place that has relation to Pizzagate...also friends with James Alefantis. But seeing as this will be deleted for no reason other than protecting a narrative idk

HAHAHAHA! Oh. MyFucking. God...

Look what I just found...

Relevance = "Hit and run posts"

Skazi - Hit and Run

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Gothamgirl @Millennial_Falcon @Crensch

@Crensch something is very wrong in this sub. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2398449

Dude put other mods in and hold them accountable for enforcing the rules that none of them seem to want changed.

All we need is somebody with some common sense to treat them like guidelines instead of rules that require the post to be accurate down to the millimeter. No mod will please everybody but we had asshattery going on around here that was just off scale to a degree that the sub can't survive under. Somebody that understands pizzagate and means well can make it work.

Ok. You’re right. I’ll leave that up to @Argosciv

I know 🙄 I don’t even know what your role is

I think that’s a WONDERFUL IDEA! I’ll go back to sucking dicks now! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@think- I got to take a break for you lol

Well today I would like to just give a bitch slap to 2 of you punks. 👋 @Kevdude 👋 @Crensch
That’s not a sexy bitch slap. That’s your left nut.

I like @Vindicator. You can have a ((hug)). @Millennial_Falcon has shown some improvement so I’ll spare his nuts this time. @Argosciv stop kissing mods asses or I’ll Bitch slap you too.

Bye Felicia! 🙄

Oh lol, that one...

No comment xD

Look, as always, I'll be totally honest with ya:

I do think you would objectively enforce the ruleset

I'd love to think the same of myself, but, the fact of the matter is that I'm not so sure I can trust myself to curb how I feel about certain topics, to allow for fair and non-controversial moderating.

I'd never act in a way to deliberately harm v/pizzagate etc, but, by mission of action, I'm sure I'd inescapably cause more controversy than it's worth.

they are sensitive

The rules or the people who stalk me? xD

BTW I seem to have found a lolcow and I just can't stop feeding it..

If I'm the lolcow in that, by all means, feed meeeee - if not, honestly have no idea what you mean xD

You guys are douche bags. Faggot douche bags.

You’ve got to be kidding me with your tally results. Where do we vote?

You guys, Crensch will always be an asshole because he’s one of the board owners. I have no idea why he chose that since he doesn’t give a shit. It must be about control. Anyway, don’t hold your breath on that fag.

Normal, well-balanced people have feelings and empathy, something you seem to lack. You might want to check that out with a psychiatrist. Oh, I didn't take women's studies, as you stated elsewhere, I studied the sciences. Wrong again. Make sure to get checked out for psychotic delusions as well. You aren't the good kind of crazy for sure.

Oh lawd...

What have you done...

Oh fuck off you pile of shit. You've proven what an asshole you are here to everyone.

I didn't submit anon, I deleted my account and I'm not going to go sifting through the mod log for posts I did a year ago. I've shown post that were deleted and relevant. He even admitted he doesn't read before deleting. I'm not going to put in hours of my valuable time to get my posts deleted because someone doesn't even read properly. I've got you blocked, I won't be responding again because all you want to do is argue and accuse me of being some user I'm not. You don't use logic, you don't back up your claims but you expect me to dig up things from a year ago in a deleted mod log? No. You lose this argument, like all the other ones. You've lost all credibility in my view.

You keep saying I'm some user I'm not (THAT YOU CAN'T BACK UP WITH ANYTHING), that I don't back up my claims etc. Just fuck off asshole. I've proven myself, you can go to hell.

I didn't say that. I said I preferred someone who took neither side. I have to get the pro-MF side on board so I need a neutral replacement.

Good deal. Probably why @vindicator mentioned @think- because he seems about as neutral as it gets and he seems to have good problem solving skills.

You have told me I'm wrong for the last 24 hours asshole, you've accused me of all sorts of things and I've proven you wrong every time. I have you blocked because you are vile. I'm writing this here to show people just how vile you are.

Go ask dragon about the sex magick person, he has it all archived. I'm tired of doing all your research for you you lazy prick.

I don't know, probably deleted his account. We used to share info. He or she was amazing.

One side doesn't want MF gone. To get that side on board we can't place any of "your" candidates.

Let me mediate here.

Wait a minute. Why do you have to have a person that publicly stated that they didn't want Falcon gone? What does that have to do with mod capability? That is taking a side also.

Here we go again....here are just a couple that were left up (many were also taken down). As I said I always leave because of toxic people.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1802267 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1813763 (this has been widely discussed online, someone even made a youtube vid of it)

Again, you have been MF's most vocal critic. When he gets pulled, as a precaution, your suggestions would have to be viewed as suspect. I have seen some of the alts on here bragging that they would infiltrate the mod team. If @vindicator and whoever gets placed think he would be a fit thrn I'm sure it will happen.

One side doesn't want MF gone. To get that side on board we can't place any of "your" candidates.

Let me mediate here.

@think- is @vindicator suggestion. I'm pretty sure I saw Vin say he was kicking around the idea of making think- a janitor unless I dreamed it. Vin is pinged here so he can verify if he did or if I am dreaming shit. I am simply backing vindicator because I think it is a good call.

not trying to punish argosciv but i'm pretty sure the blood sex magick and modding won't go well.

I've proven the top 5 rated users on PG all left around a year ago but you keeping at it kevdude, you are doing a great job of being a shill, you even had @ESOTERICshade fooled until you mentioned the putting in the Crowley sex magick guy as a mod. Here's the list : smokinggunspizza erktheerk williczek caliginosity JimmyCometStatue

Here you go, ONCE AGAIN, I've proven you wrong (stop trying now kevdude). The following are the top 5 posts of all time in the PG forum. Every single user has left.

smokinggunspizza erktheerk. williczek caliginosity JimmyCometStatue

4 month account with 8 submissions? I think @argosciv would be a better call.

Is that a joke? Tell me that is a damn joke please?

Then that isn't the exact username. You saw the website, he left.

I didn't put a lot of effort into my post because when I do, they get taken down even if they are backed up. That being said, my posts were PG related. NO one here has been able to argue how they aren't. They just took it down.

I think we need to mod some users that have submitted research and have ot taken a side in the drama. No one that has defended MF and no one that has attacked him. Let's see how a neutral group of folks enforce the rules as written.

You got it bro. You know what time it is. @vindicator suggested @think- for a janitor and I think it is a good idea.

@ESOTERICshade Kevdudes true colors are showing now. Pay attention.

Most did, like citizen.

gamepwn is a good researcher. I'm surprised his posts are left up.

I have you blocked.

Top kek.

I don't even know who viebleu is and this is infantile to speculate like that with no proof. I can give you examples of my research in the past. I always leave because I find this place absolutely toxic.

Number 4, new mod. Thanx for making us put a target on our back after you don't get rid of the mod. Totally uncool. Now you can take it to the "lets talk about it phase" in which people won't speak up again except for the suck up argosciv, the one that does that blood drinking stuff that is always following you guys around, (shudder) , and probably some alts in favor of the mod. Something seriously stinks about the way this is all going down around here.

I want my comments added to my vote at the top of the page too. I want people to see how I feel about having to do this publicly. So uncool.

Hey, @Millennial_Falcon, do you want to take a 2 week vacation from all of this? Just let the PG users find out what it would be like?

4 - Mods are not doing a good job, we need to talk about removing them

Why talk about it? Just get rid of Falcon. I want him replaced. Problem solved. You really expect people to vote in public on this comfortably? That is why voting systems are private. So that people cannot see who they vote for. This is not a legitimate voting session. This is more like extortion because people will not speak their mind publicly on this.

@crensch @vindicator @millenial_falcon

It's this type of shit why I suggest a minimum standard for posts. It's a hit and run, with a fake title, designed specifically to get the shill(s) and all their alt accounts to upvoat and keep hit at the top.

Want to post a credible article about circumcision and how it relates to PG? Fine, go for it. But the purpose of posts like this ^ are strictly to hijack the narrative, and to KEEP ANTISEMITIC TOPICS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST - so as truth seekers stumble onto v/pizzagate, they will be immediately turned off by the topics.

IT'S A TACTIC IT IS NOT LEGIT RESEARCH.

@ESOTERICshade

This place is BS, these mods that run it aren't interested in helping kids, just censoring everything. Anyone know another place that is active besides 4chan?

1. I moved away from the board after having posts deleted despite what I felt were meeting the rules. This means that there is subjectivity in the admin. The forum should decide whether a post has traction, not the moderators. The moderators should be there to enforce rules where they are clearly broken and when other Voaters complain about a post

@twistedmac11 did you see this comment by @dragonkiller? roflmao...

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2394933/11926317

Hardly anybody is going to do this publicly and then @crensch can declare his fake victory and refuse to leave.

I guess since we are already in the firing squad line as dragonkiller put it we may as well technically say "number 4" and see if @crensch counts our votes. @polwarrior30 @letsdothis1 @disappointed (if he cares)

Then we can see if crensch brings in the alts to rig it like he does the votes in the mod sub. @dragonkiller made a damn good point too. Nobody is willing to do this publicly because it is like giving these narcissists a list of people to harass. Just another reason hardly anybody is speaking.

We can watch for our amusement until the end and see how crensch justifies ignoring us all again, shake our head at the "rules discussion" and know that nothing will change, again....

We need to find a place to go and get the fuck out of here. These people are probably getting paid or work for intel anyway to screw up this place. I don't know where but its over due. This might be enough of this shit show for me for a while I think.

There are places we can go because I have seen them but I don't know if I want to screw with setting one up. I would like to totally get away from the voat voting system all together if I actually go to the trouble of setting up something.

I noticed that several people are missing in the last couple of weeks did they go to another place or just say fuck it?

4 - Mods are not doing a good job, we need to talk about removing them

I want number 4. I don't want to "talk about it" I just want you to do it.

These mods really think people are going to show up to do this with a public vote and have their vote known so they can later be targeted for harassment too. What a bunch of bullshit. Nobody much going to vote in this public freak show you have going on and that is obvious.

@crensch needs to go too but as you can see nobody wants to get exposed by saying so publicly. Speaking a truth around here is like lining up for a firing squad in a room full of power obsessed maniacs. No wonder hardly anybody showed for this spectacle.

Now @crensch is saying "yup, things are going so good nobody showed up for my freak show, everybody is happy with me and falcon. What a joke.

If this is all the interest garnered, I see no reason to change anything at all. 2 users out of ~240 here now? Obviously not that important to the users.

There used to be hundreds logged in pretty much all the time. Dog and pony show complete. (yawn)

https://files.catbox.moe/i4eaxj.PNG

https://files.catbox.moe/avioih.PNG

2 & 6

I've taken different stances on this in the past, but overall I feel like the mods are doing a decent job. The real issue IMO, is that voat isn't the right platform for pg research.

There are users who wish to read and keep current with new leads and updates, and there are users who wish to contribute and publish their own findings. Researchers don't always immediately know if a potential lead is worth looking into, if it is ultimately pg related, if it is irrelevant/unimportant; and except for the poster, nobody knows if a thread is misinformation or meant to be a distraction.

Voat serves a good purpose and has allowed us all the get this far and uncover as much as we have, but in the end it falls short of being what we need to collaborate and investigate potential leads.

Yes, I'm the butt hurt one, calling people fags and screaming about bullshit in all caps. Oh wait, thats @crensch

Nigger I was the one advocating for your post.

These guys bite the hand that feeds.

I don't understand why my friends posted about tunnels at St. Charles Seminary, for me, as I am unable to do so, and it was deleted more than once. I had some solid information there? It is about as "Pizzagate" as it gets?

Also, I am not well, probably from my abuse and it is exhausting for me to re-post these things

Thank you

I'm seeing "leave posts up"

To do something like this we'd need maybe a metric fuckton more mods that would be willing to do such things, I think. Then again, I'm not really sure on our current manpower level.

@Vindicator is this possible with what you guys are working with?

Posts that will be deleted for good will be

a) shill posts b) posts linking to cp or malware c) off-topic posts that should be posted to v/pizzagatewhatever.

OPs of all other posts will be told that some fixing is required. All OPs will get the opportunity to do the fixing within 30 minutes after mod has left a comment.

If OP does so: fine.

If he doesn't within 30 minutes: Post will be taken down, OP may repost if he wishes after he's done fixing.

I don't see any subjectivity here.

@Vindicator @Crensch @Disappointed

And if the people deciding what meets the guidelines aren't up to it then what? This sub of all subs reminds me the most of reddit where before you even think about posting you have to read a bunch of rules an arm long. Then, if you fuck up at all, you will get deleted at the whim of a few who think they know what is relevant. Any complaints are shuffled off to a side sub where only the mods can downvote and it seems at least one is abusing that. We fought against that shit when v/news an v/videos did it. The right thing has been done with the rules sticky here but I wonder if its too late. I know you have some skin in this game because you helped setup the system in the first place but things have moved on and the rules for posting need to be stripped back if they are hindering genuine users from posting.

Why do they have to. This is Voat not reddit. It's is not a year ago he this board was getting a submission every few minutes and spam was burying decent threads. Loosen the chains. THs much dam over letting a borderline post go?

Sometimes posts will stay up for two or three hours before a mod will take them down. Sometimes these posts have already 20 comments or more. Copypasting the source (which in itself wouldn't be a problem) won't transfer the comments. Also, ongoing discussions will be disrupted.

I know that it might be difficult to grasp this - but the level of frustration in the sub has been extremely high lately. People are just fed up.

Seeing that the mods will let posts stay for a while, give OPs the opportunity to fix, and possibly provide help, will change people's attitude towards the mods.

I know this might lead to some 'muh fee fees' remarks, but like it or not, people on this sub are different from those on other Voat subs. I'm not into the niggerfaggotkike stuff, but when I go to v/wildlife and kid around with people there, I have a different tone.

This said, many people are hurt when posts are taken down. Even though most of them could do an easy fix and repost. This is a psychological issue, and I think we'll have to respect that. Many people here are survivors, which often comes with a greater sensitiveness.

Summary: I'd rather take into account that some people might be still offended by mods deleting their posts and be disappointed, but I'd take this into account, since so many more people will be less frustrated than at present.

I'd say: Give it a try. I appreciate that @Crensch and @Vindicator support my idea.

Six. I think it hurts the investigation when we make a post and are basically expected to have everything together and ready to prosecute, by ourselves, instead of posting ideas for the community to put our heads together.

I'm so tired of SBBH involving themselves in every little thing voat does, trying to get ahead of it and in charge.

https://www.instagram.com/millennium_falco/?hl=en All the evidence we need against him.

4A: 4 -A Mods are is not doing a good job, we need to talk about removing them him.

This discussion is about FALCON, not other mods, why is there not an option for this, looks deliberate, like your fucking with us.

1st) Rules are fine, but maybe change/enforce some to advance the goal of keeping content and discussion as high value as possible.

I seem to always tune in on the tail end of the big zhit storms and never really know what went down. All I really see is the dust left from a bunch of rude infighting that erodes the overall experience.

As a daily visitor, what I value most are posts with good titles, clear descriptions of the links and images and some thoughtful opinion or analysis. I appreciate everyone who keeps lists and timelines and other data for reference.

Asking people to be nice seems to be an antagonistic thing to do here because that seems to be perceived as a weakness and some how a badge of honor is bestowed only on those that are rude and those that keep their mouth's shut and don't interrupt those being rude.

So, my suggestion is in the first line of this post, but I will add a second suggestion below to mods, posters and commentors:

2nd) Be less toxic and more informative.

Crencsh the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dyke, too little too late after the damage is done still debating about getting rid of an incompetent mod. You internet geeks are amazing how you stick up for each other when it's clear the moron should have been let go within the first month of this investigation. But we still keep fighting you because this is one of the last places with even this amount of flexibility, and it still blows. I can't believe you're still asking for proof when it's totally obvious _falcon DOES NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ANY OF THIS MATERIAL TO BE A COMPETENT JUDGE OF THE FACTS. Shutting down a discussion about stem cells because the possibility of them being in Pepsi is ridiculous? How can you NOT SEE HOW SUBJECTIVE THAT IS. THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE STUPID ARGUMENT IS ABOUT IS FALCONS SUBJECTIVE REASONING. He uses voat's VAGUE and ALL ENCOMPASSING rules as a cover for his erroneous calls and the poster is left to guess at what is wrong with his thread, not realizing its simply just a case of bias and stupidity from calls like what this thread is about. Over and over and you crencsh or whoever just post another sticky asking more dumb questions to pacify us. No more pacification just get rid of the dude why's that so fucking hard it's not a paid position.

Suggestion: Our submission guidelines need some evolution to reflect how much the scope of pizzagate has evolved.

Crensch I remember talking about how Pizzagate has basically evolved into "pedogate" with pizzagate becoming a vestigial name for the entire thing.

Legit good leads are being axed due to this very reason. Arbitrary sticking to outdated terms. Namely in regards to crimes like organ trafficking, which is intimately tied to human trafficking, which in itself is intimately tied to pedophile rings.

Maybe get rid of some off the shittier mods so they stop deleting threads based on actual articles that the community supports, like this one, posted by another user, deleted twice.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/02/12/scientists-study-secrets-of-young-blood-uc-professor.html

And if I have to explain the relevance, do some very basic, entry-level reading on pizzagate. Or don't, and continue to only allow articles from paranoid schizophrenics and their new age blogs.

i have a concern and i'm pretty sure everybody saw it but i just would like it addressed publicly for transparency and to settle any misconceptions the post may have raised ..... somebody i cant even remember who it was it could have been a troll .... but somebody came across a pizza king connected to jimmy comets instagram that is under the name millenial_falco .... i checked that instagram and it is that name. can we just clarify for everybody that it is not our mod millenial falcon and the name is just a coincidence..... just to let millenial clear his name

I am thankful for all of you, we are rare, and the kids need us. If I could do anything to help out, from a phone let me know.

MODS need to get the Q-Anon BS off here. It this stage it should be beyond any doubt that Q-Anon is a LARP.

How about #10?

Enforce the rules on the books logically and consistently across the sub? Personally, I'd like to see an end to the hit and run link posts with no written narrative. Somehow these manage to stay up...

There's like a couple dozen here who are consistent posters. Am defs not one of those. Maybe switch up the mods (or just a few) with some of the consistent contributors? Personally like Vindicators modding tho. He seems transparent about what he's doing and posts his own content consistently which helps me get an idea of his thought process which I like (even if IMO Q is a dog and pony show and that I am not too convinced T is Mr pedo roto-rooter--like at all; cld be wrong, only IMO). So maybe a split of Trump/Q folks and others that either just focus on trafficking and/or the occult might be a good mix. MF'e name tho is defs trashed far and wide in web places that post on this subject matter tho. No opinion on that since I mainly just come here to read and have never had something I put a lot of work into getting deleted by MF , so no gripes from me. How to pick the relief mods? No idea.

Can you explain to me why people have so much trouble

I like the rules. Falcon can't cut it, or actually many think he refuses to cut it and has turned it into his own game of "catch me if you can." The mod IS the problem.

I just think MF has trouble being objective at times.

Its a 100 times worst than that.

The shills are real, and after fighting them for awhile, everyone starts to make you wonder, especially if you are tired or have other things on your mind. Of course, that is part of what they are aiming for.

I was a lurker from the beginning, and signed up 4,5 months ago. I don't see the sub as active as it used to be. I don't know how accurate the numbers of visitors shown in the sidebar are, but imo there has been a significant drop in the last two weeks or so - very often from about 350 to less than 200.

Many people are still here, but thinking about leaving for good. Unfortunately, some of our best researchers are among them. I've been here only for four months, but the amount of time I've spent begging people not to leave is crazy.

As I said, I personally don't have a problem with the rules. I know why they were made the way they are, and that's ok.

What gets many people being frustrated, however, is an inconsistency in how rules are applied sometimes.

Example:

MF took down a post of mine (only one that got deleted so far). It was a newspaper article that said 10% of children raped in child porn were infants. I got a bit emotional over this, so I posted it on v/pizzagate, thinking since the elite produce child porn, it's ok to discuss it on the main sub. MF deleted it, and pointed out that I should repost on v/pizzagatewhatever. I didn't have a problem with that. (Gonna edit later and add links to posts mentioned.) I even wrote a PM to MF and apologized for being a bit too emotional before posting.

However, another post submitted around the same time which dealt with a single case of infant rape and chlld porn, the perp not being a member of the elite, stayed.

That was the point where I got annoyed. If rules are applied, it should be done in a consistent way. And I know that's what bugging other people as well.

Maybe you've seen it, I've really tried to be objective and fair regarding MF's work in the past weeks, and tried to encourage him whenever he did something I thought was neat. I refrained from complaining. I am aware we're all different, hold different views and that there will never be a mod that will be cherished by everyone. When you're a mod, you'll be the designated asshole for some users anyway.

However, I ran out of ideas how we could develop a better understanding about how to mod this sub with Millenial. So I think this post is great, I hope many will join.

Regarding A) and B): Many users need some help. When they're posting, sometimes they're in time stress, don't realize how to best point out the connection to pizzagate, or are not aware that their sources don't suffice.

It's not because they're generally too stupid to read and apply rules, but sometimes they need help. That's why I suggested to leave posts up, ask to fix (providing some help) and give a time frame for fixing.

@Vindicator

you mods are doing a great and often thankless job

My 2cents is the focus. Its been nearly 18 months since Podesta's emails dropped, and in terms of the 'Investigation' - well, its been a long time since we've been at the point where its conclusive that there is a systemic, endemic issue long overdue for justice

I personally see this forum, therefore, as only partially an ongoing Investigation, and more saliently as a REPOSITORY for pizzagate - and that INCLUDES the Fake News about Pizzagate

What i mean is, if i see something pizzagate related on twitter with 700 retweets, I'm gonna put it up here for discussion - regarless of whether its fake news or not. And i dont want someone up my ass for 'peddaling' fake news when what I'm doing is REPORTING on salient info doing the rounds, whether its fake or not

if there is fake news going around out there, we should be the best at detecting it and diffusing it, right? how do we do that effectively if we dont bring fake news in here, put it on the table for dissection - coz often there's a kernel of truth in the entrails of a dissected fake news rat, right?

but I am interested in seeing how it gets attacked

If you the sub would be left for two weeks without mods, many people might get frustrated by shill posts and leave. Currently, many are burned out and about to leave for good.

@Vindicator

My mistake. I've been on multiple threads at the same time. Sorry.

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Could you fix my "their" typo in your quote.

done :)

You going to watch it get attacked or are you going to take part in that too?

That's the first time I posted it to you Crens Kev. Soon everyone will be very clear who you guys are.

Meaning that maybe their are rules in the sidebar that have run their course and could be replaced with different rules.

I think the rules are OK. I think Falcon is not up to the task of making them work.

Careful - post too many of those and this place will start to look like the David Icke forum during the height of the Hampstead case when it was full of trolls . Perhaps you know what I mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr9zlrScGR8

Only if I can respond in kind. See how that works? I have something that you might like by the way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr9zlrScGR8

I have long been curious about this as well. Just because I'm curious and like to study the shills. :-)

My biggest suspicion about the mod complainers is that there was another sub set-up, v/pizzagatewhatever, as an anything goes sister sub.

Why not post there with incomplete leads? It's the clear route, and doesn't start dividing up the researchers into tiny sections. I rarely see this happen, and think it's an underutilized spot.

@heygeorge suggested to crosspost my comment from Crench's previous thread in v/pizzagatemods, so here it is:

I don't think the rules are a problem in general.

The only thing I'd like to be changed is that OPs should be granted some time to fix a post, instead of deleting a post and require reposting.

Reason for this:

Often posts already have many comments when a mod deletes and asks to fix and repost.

Comments won't show on a repost, and discussions get interrupted by requiring to repost, even if its a minor issue that needs to be fixed.

I'd suggest to give OPs 30 minutes or so to fix, shouldn't they do so, delete and ask for repost.

This, of course, depends on whether the mods have the time to look at a post again in the given time period, I'm aware of this.

Reposting because I didn’t want to be attached to pedo mods comment

Nobody gives a shit and I think everyone will agree you guys are pedos and delete everything.

Wellcome Trust, Marina Abramovic, Hans Wyss and biotech industry

Again….Indiana mentioned in Pedo operation w/details

St. Charles Seminary Tunnels

411 Park Clusters of Missing Persons Across America

These are just a few in the last day that you have removed

Don’t worry though all the deleted hoists been reposted for discussion on

http://itshappening.pcriot.com/forums/forum/pizzagate/

Website is already running and will be finished in days.

Your days of subverting pizzagate are over

Prayer threads are welcome, experiences, links, evidence, testimony, personal opinions etc... at itshappening pizzagate forum

Kek Hhahahahhahaha pedos are stupid

http://itshappening.pcriot.com/forums/topic/millenial-falcon-mod-at-voat-is-an-international-pizza-czar/

Such bull sir can’t belicw everyone put up with this shit for so long thank god for all your resilient folks here at voat who keep posting. I will be digging through the entire voat deleted submission section and repost all of your great threads in the its happening pizzagate forum.It’s

7 - Try no rules and no moderation for a couple of weeks

And this is a setup. You talked about this in the thread I linked to. This is the old "order out of chaos" trick. You know full well that if this sub goes two weeks with no rules and no moderation that it will be total chaos and that is obvious. After two weeks of chaos you will come in and say "see, esotericshade and all the assholes are wrong, you need us."

You will create a problem and then pretend to fix it. Nobody is dumb enough to fall for this trick.

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Lol

WHAT ABOUT HAVING A RULE ABOUT MUTUAL RESPECT BETWEEN MODERATORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF RESEARCH ??

This sticky is here because the usual monthly concern-trolling, and @Millenium_Falcon-attacking by @ESOTERICshade gathered enough notice to warrant one.

I will also refuse to take this bait too. Anybody that reads this thread can see that your attitude is a dead give away that you will refuse to do whatever the community wishes. I will not be baited into a fake discussion by you. I went through the fake Rule 1 sticky thread "discussion" in which not a damn thing changed and the following thread is evidence of it.

I don't blame anybody else that really cares about this place if the don't participate either and I already know some that will refuse and remain silent because they don't feel that a dead end dog and pony show with you and @Millennial_Falcon is worth the effort.

Nice try but i'm not taking the bait. People can read here and easily understand why too. You have totally blown it and there is a no confidence vote in on you by the community. This dog and pony show will not restore and faith in you. You can rest assured of that. People can read. People are not stupid. They can read the following and see where you stand.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2394295

@kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion @Vindicator @Millennial_Falcon @heygeorge