I know it's not been the whole 6 months we discussed last time, but it is indeed time to talk about the RULES.
As you all know, we have a place for meta talk about the rules and the mods, /v/pizzagatemods. It's not overly public, and it's not the most elegant solution to cluttering the front page here, but that's what we have.
This sticky is here because the usual monthly concern-trolling, and @Millenium_Falcon attacking by @ESOTERICshade gathered enough notice to warrant one.
This was the deleted post. This is the post I made with my findings on the issue.
As always, mods serve at the pleasure of the users of the subverse. Please make your voices heard.
This sticky is both a polling and a discussion. Discuss whatever, wherever, but the polling will function like this:
POLLING
On a base-level comment, type any of these numbers you agree with, in any order.
1 - Rules are fine, don't change them
2 - Mods are doing a good job, don't remove them
3 - Mods aren't doing enough, and need to recruit more mods, and remove more submissions.
4 - Mods are not doing a good job, we need to talk about removing them
5 - Rules are not fine, we need to change them
6 - Mods need to lighten up and let more things slide, let's talk about that.
7 - Try no rules and no moderation for a couple of weeks
8 - No rules and no moderation in perpetuity.
Millennial_Falcon
Millennial_Falcon seems to be a popular whipping boy here. Those that show up in /v/pizzagatemods with complaints tend to target him almost exclusively. The people attacking him seem to think they're not alone, but fail to provide any evidence of wrongdoing.
Keep in mind, your accusations and support for them will not just be taken at face value, like every accuser so far seems to have expected. They will be researched thoroughly, and if there is merit to them, something WILL be done. Please feel free to be the first to provide evidence of wrongdoing on his part.
And by all means, comment on any other mod you have an issue with. Hell, if you guys want ME gone, I'll hand over the reigns to whomever you think is worthy.
Poll will end on the 18th.
Oh,
9 - Stop asking us this crap for 6 months FOR REAL this time!
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think- ago
Posts that will be deleted for good will be
a) shill posts b) posts linking to cp or malware c) off-topic posts that should be posted to v/pizzagatewhatever.
OPs of all other posts will be told that some fixing is required. All OPs will get the opportunity to do the fixing within 30 minutes after mod has left a comment.
If OP does so: fine.
If he doesn't within 30 minutes: Post will be taken down, OP may repost if he wishes after he's done fixing.
I don't see any subjectivity here.
@Vindicator @Crensch @Disappointed
ESOTERICshade ago
I say we replace Falcon with @think- and get this over with.
@kevdude
srayzie ago
Agreed
Disappointed ago
A hard 30 mins is just another way for mod to shit on a user and have a power trip. Having a bit of leeway isn't a bad thing.
This seems to be the contention here. That the rules are way too stringent as they are and the you have another barrier to the user where someone with a ban button gets to decide if its rel event or not. Most seem unhappy with the current mod group here. I think that's the place to start.
ESOTERICshade ago
Its is the only answer. The current board owner and lead mod have run through the dog and pony shows before only to continue to abuse the hell out of this sub and everybody in it like torturing ants in a jar with a magnifying glass and that is what it reminds me of. The current crew blew it and needs to just pack it in. This sub is already a skeleton of its former self and they have proven that these discussions are just fake window dressing.
think- ago
What would you suggest?
@kevdude
Disappointed ago
Just have a dialogue with a user saying that the post could use a bit more clarity. Tear down this silly wall where the mods and users are at each others throats. If the user refuses to fix it and its getting heaps of downvotes then maybe remove it. Use the flair that people have suggested here and let the users decide. I understand the moderation style was very much needed when Voat was trying to run the sub off, but the evidence is suggesting that the amount of deletions here are now running the users off.
ESOTERICshade ago
That would require the lead mod to use common sense with his powers of discretion and he has proven time and time again that he does not have it.
think- ago
I can see your point, but this won't work imo. Why? We're flooded with shill posts daily.
People get annoyed for two reasons:
1) Posts that are of value get deleted 2) Posts by shills or posts that don't belong here for other reasons stay
'Just having a dialogue' won't work. It's too arbitrary.
We need to find a middleway. Clear rules ('hard 30 minutes'), but help by mods as much as possible => more dialogue, less frustration.
Please don't underestimate the level of frustration because rules might not always be applied consistently.
@kevdude @Vindicator @Crensch
Disappointed ago
Then like I said it might be time to give some news mods a try. Reading down the thread that seems to be the issue.