@kevdude @Vindicator @VictorSteinerDavion
Post in question
@Millennial_Falcon cited rule 3 for removal, so I'm going to operate as if that's the litmus test here.
All titles must adequately describe post content and must establish direct relevance to pizzagate.
All the title does is list 4 things, one being pizzagate. It insinuates a link, but does not say for sure, or how, or through what new source or info.
Still, possibly acceptable on its own merits if we take the insinuation into account.
EACH link in your post must include a description of content and how the link relates to the post
I rest my case.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Late to the party, but:
The post is another in the series of forum flood via junk post and link spamming of irrelevant things and context via insinuation only.
As per the last kerfuffle, posts like this are to be deleted, with OP being permitted to repost the content only if significant editing is applied.
It really is just more of the same time wasting junk - no need to expend effort creating posts to discuss the merits of garbage like that.
Also, these types of post are being made by the same user under alts and as such are to be considered candidates for the spam rules in addition to the normal content rules.
Crensch ago
Notice how esoteric didn't respond when you said my critiques were valid?
NotHereForPizza ago
You know what, Crensch, I think this is a good time for you guys to reiterate how one can circumvent the rules. That was a fun time, right?
NotHereForPizza ago
@Crensch
I feed off of your downvotes. I should take a picture and show you that I've never downvoted you. I bet that would jostle you mittens so hard.
Crensch ago
Also, I might agree on that last bit.
Until they're changed, though, I'm of the mind that the status-quo be upheld.
Crensch ago
Well, we've got a good bit of time to assess the users desires.
Let me know what you think of the sticky.
Crensch ago
I don't know the guy.
http://archive.is/9Zf62 Last comment besides today - 18 days ago. 2-months-old comments on the first page.
https://voat.co/user/Dungles/submissions since I can't archive them - last one 4 months ago.
Again, I don't know the guy, but flags went up.
Me resting my case on the submission isn't an end to the conversation, just an end to my arguments at that point. If you have anything you'd like to add or pick apart, let me know.
I made a sticky poll, too.
dragonkiller ago
@Millennial_Falcon I need a job. How much does it pay be a mod here that laughs, snickers, and turns his head while he blocks posts that would help children who are being raped, and then when they finally get fucked to death have their organs ripped out? I mean, i'm afraid my conscience would bother me if I actually did it, even though I do need the money.
I need some tips though. How do you live with yourself? Do you take all the mirrors out of the house so that you don't have to look at your own face or what? If so how do you shave? Will I start to smell like sulphur, you know, like a demon or something? And if I start smelling like sulphur does that mean it will attract other demons because evil shit scares me. I have so many questions about being a baby raper enabler.....
When I see little kids will I feel guilty or does it finally get easier? Do you and @crensch split the money or how does it work? Is it tax free cash or do you work for some zionist media outfit that supplies gutless and heartless trolls to the internet?
I only want to work one job at a time though, so is being a baby raper enabler enough for me live on? What do you tell people that you do for a living because I damn sure wouldn't tell anybody that I was running cover for child butchers and baby rapers.
Crensch ago
2 months, 91ccp
How DO you keep up with that MASSIVE ~1.3ccp/day of contributions to Voat?
NotHereForPizza ago
Hey, Crensch, should I go through your posts and look through all the times you replied to comments with criticism by only responding with the amount of time that account has been active? It's funny that you don't know how many people are watching this. Do you really think every new account is some shill? That's one diluted world you must live in.
Sort of like how you're a newfag and can't spot shill trends. It was fun to learn about that, wasn't it bud? I'd be up for a similar challenge if you have some time. I know I do.
Crensch ago
Having fun with your zen stoic LARP?
NotHereForPizza ago
Look, guys! He bit! He really is angry!
You don't want to get wrecked again, Crensch? You must not like learning. It can be fun, you should try it some time.
dragonkiller ago
I operate on quality instead of quantity. That is why that big point tally on your username makes you look like a big fat maggot mouth. I would have to talk an enormous amount of shit and tell a lot of lies to be as big of an asshole as you are and I am not up to the task.
Disappointed ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2390929/11903943 <----- in this link you have two mods arguing over whether it should be deleted or not. In that case it should absolutely be allowed to be reposted as long as the user agrees to make it more clear, which it seems like they admitted it could be. If there's any doubt about it breaking a rule, let the users decide.
Crensch ago
Vindicator posting afterwards doesn't make M_F's already having deleted it wrong, so it's not like he could take it back. Or am I missing something?
I think I might agree if the user simply reposted what was there after the fact.
Before I say something I'm not 100% sure on, but might have to defend, what's your take on the submission?
Disappointed ago
I'm not saying it was wrong and it shouldn't matter. What should matter is it seems there is enough contention around the post being suitable or not, that the users should decide. It's their sub. If the rules don't cover it 100 percent, let the votes decide. Even if you personally think rules cover it, let it go as a test then adjust the rules according to how the userbase reacted. A good mod or owner should have a grasp on the evolving community.
I have no take on it at all. I have no clue what is relevant or not and no interest in following the lives and times of pedos that I don't think will be caught. Hopefully I'm wrong and their future includes flames
Crensch ago
All right, I'll be a bit more specific. Feel free to not answer here, too, but I put some work into this, so if you're not opposed, I'd appreciate it.
Rule 3 has a line:
This is what I put together. Nothing fancy, nothing in-depth. No need to know anything at all about PG or these esoteric points. It's meme-tier digestible.
Disappointed ago
I think your particular gifts were valuable in saving the pizzagate sub when it first arrived on Voat. I'll be honest and say maybe you need to step away from something you don't really enjoy doing anymore. Just put the crown down and walk away. @kevdude was able to do that and I think he made the right choice. I don't think think anyone should be in charge of a sub for too long. No matter what you do, you get a sense of ownership and can lose perspective very easily. Last year I modded 8 subs including two system subs as janitor. Now I mod one only and I'm weighing that up also.
If I must: On face value what you did in the image seems reasonable but on the other hand so do some of the other points raised in this thread.
Crensch ago
My role was always to be a disinterested party that dealt with removing rogue mods and offering rule changes. As far as enjoying it, I probably never did, but I felt it was the right thing to do to try and help.
If the users want me gone, I'll leave. If they are OK with how things are going, I'll continue as I have. It's not fun, but I find the position necessary, and the fruits of my frustration and efforts to be worthwhile.
Bad analogy, that one. The purpose of it was to express how I wasn't sure that I could do the same for the Q refugees.
I'm open to being shown a loss of perspective on my part. It could be my mind playing tricks, but I don't see any change in my behaviour or position. Maybe I'm better at dissecting bullshit?
You didn't have to, but thank you.
dragonkiller ago
Your usefulness expired long ago.
You are the one that got WRECKED in this thread in which you are still acting like a know it all asshole.
Crensch ago
You've been here 2 months. You've garnered 105 ccp in that time. Your qualifications to make that judgment are in question.
And now the question is gone. You are absolutely unqualified to comment on this.
Disappointed ago
That's a general statement, I don't know if you have or haven't
Which on do you think is correct? 'anymore' or 'any more'
Crensch ago
Pretty sure it's "anymore".
Disappointed ago
Would you hate me if I used "any more"?
Crensch ago
I don't think so. I'd have to see it organically in order to tell for sure, but I'm less of a Grammar Nazi about this kind of thing since so many spaced or hyphenated words have become single words in the not too distant past.
Disappointed ago
You know I can be a bit of a troll, right? Sometimes I'm a bit too subtle and others like a brick between the eyes but it's all good. Anyway good luck with the Rules thread, you've done well there.
Crensch ago
I have the unfortunate ability to continue walking directly into an open troll maw.
Thanks for the kudos on the rules thread. Helps to know that someone I trust finds it acceptable.
letsdothis1 ago
You're English, aren't you?
Crensch ago
I love it when people try to skiptrace me.
Dungles ago
This sub is pretty embarrassing the way users are treated.
Crensch ago
It's embarrassing how rEddit these users still are. I should have let PG die instead of saving it.
Dungles ago
You do need to step down because you are acting like a reddit tier power mod ad exactly what PV is supposed to fight against. You've lost all peerspective and balance you once had. Your whole tone in the last 6 months has changed. You might have been what this sub needed then but now you are defending removals over small technicalities. You have become that monster.
Crensch ago
Yeah? How is that?
You don't possess the requisite qualities to assess the current or past me, it seems.
Bull. Shit.
THE FUCKING RULES THE USERS WANTED, retard.
You're looking like a bought account.
Dungles ago
Ok, I'm a shill. Everyone you disagree with is a shill. Have fun in your paper castle.
@puttitout power mod detected. Removal needed.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is usually the standard answer to those that have opinions that don't jive with the mods here. One day @Millennial_Falcon literally said "the only people that disagree with me are either wrong or Amalek shills." It was so priceless I took a screen shot of it. I might still have it. Its great for a laugh.
letsdothis1 ago
Hmmm..that almost sounds like something Crensch would say..SPOOKY.
Millennial_Falcon ago
[Source needed]
letsdothis1 ago
My word.. a sense of humour..
Millennial_Falcon ago
hum whose?
oftotc ago
I see this type of "research" online and discard it immediately. It's just like an 8th grade science fair project! I personally believe that the PG sub is being purposefully overrun with shit data and the current mod (who gets all kind of shit for doing his job!) doesn't clear out enough of the shit. They (who ever "they" are) are using information overload to slide the forum away from its principal cast and locales and these shit posts from carmencita and the like are the primary ammunition. Crensch, please don't do that whole temp kill the mods thing. I don't buy it for a minute (and esotericshade is full of shit on this) that the OP you cited is some kind of genius what kant speek his mind proper. shade's a bit of a faker and if he leaves, PG will not have lost as much as he boasts it to be.
dragonkiller ago
roflmao, prolly a falcon alt. I think Falcon also has an alt named "rabidrabbi" but i'm not positive about that one.
letsdothis1 ago
"rabidrabbi"? That would be hilarious. I need to go check that out.
ESOTERICshade ago
Its interesting that when we post about the heart of this monster, such as the UK, Hampstead, Welcome Trust, etc...the excuses to kill the post are endlessly trivial. While at the same time they let Q in the house to pretend to arrest Soros again. (eye roll) Considering that the politicians in D.C. are not talking about pizzagate it obviously does not fit into the rules but that psyop is allowed to remain.
letsdothis1 ago
They're not fooling anybody.
Crensch ago
I appreciate the input. I tend to agree.
letsdothis1 ago
Crensch, you need to try harder. Lol.
ESOTERICshade ago
No doubt. roflmao....That bait alt account is so obvious its not even funny, or actually it is funny. That is why they are constantly accusing people of being alts. Guilty dog barks first and all that ya know :)
oftotc ago
@Crensch
Crensch ago
@heygeorge let me know what you think if you would please, sir.
ESOTERICshade ago
These links are administrators and board members affiliated with Welcome Trust. The rest of us understood it. The link itself is descriptive. It says what it is. "governance, board, governors, chathamhouse, academy, board."
Rule 3:
We don't think scrapping hours of a person's work is worth it for you to nitpick posts with this much research. This post refers to one of the tops of the food chain at the top of the pyramid. Down from there it spreads out and gets very tedious and complicated. Researchers must be allowed to follow the trails, research, for it to be fully understood. We used to be a crowd sources investigative sub. Now we are a sub that has to attempt to pass Falcon's almost impossible barriers. The diminished crowd speaks for how tired of this people are.
The OP is well known as not being a shill and should be given a little leeway. Its a small sub. If the mod is not familiar with the regular posters by now then the mod is not paying enough attention. Burning off this much time of a good researcher and regular poster is not OK.
You might argue other reasons for people having left and stopped bringing their investigations. This is my opinion and its the one I have.
@swordfish69 @kevdude @vindicator @think- @letsdothis1
Crensch ago
I'm going to respond to you exactly once.
YOU ARE PERSONA NON GRATA. I don't give a SHIT about you, or what you say. In fact, the more you support something, the more likely I am to think the opposite, because every time you show up you are wrong.
Dungles ago
If this comment was on Reddit, I'd post it to v/meanwhileonreddit. Been a big supporter of PV over the years @Kevdude @Mickgoestojail @Disappointed but looking through here you are hypocrites. @Puttitout what do you think of this and the way he's talking to users here to justify thread removals? This wasn't his sub he was given it by someone else after the users were here. Hows that different to v/chicago or v/canada? If I posted this in PV would I get a an SRS shill flair? No better than sanegoat calling everyone shills who criticises this sub.
Crensch ago
Nice try with the concern trolling. PG has very specific rules SET UP BY THE USERS.
And my tone? Fuck you. I speak to people how I want to. This is Voat, not your safe space.
I'm RIGHT, and that's all that matters. I WRECKED the user in OP, and all you faggots want to do is complain about my invective.
Realz > Feelz
letsdothis1 ago
Come again????? LOL
Crensch ago
Were you not bitching about how your post should not be removed?
Oh, man. Do you not even understand when you've been soundly beaten?
Accepting it afterwards doesn't change the fact that you got completely destroyed.
letsdothis1 ago
I've already told you that I concede that the post was flawed in terms of clarifying the links, though as I said, most people still understood what was going on. The point I was making is that I could have adjusted the text quite quickly and simply instead of the entire post being deleted.
Why do I feel like we are on a battlefield???
Crensch ago
The penalty isn't a warning, faggot. It's removal. Do you need kid gloves for everything you do?
You're simply on my shit radar.
Instead of looking at the situation with the deletions on your own, fixing your shit, and reposting, you had to make a huge deal out of things. For all your bluster about how smart you think you are, it took me commenting for you to figure out your own mistakes.
Feels like a special-needs event I volunteer at on this end.
letsdothis1 ago
I think there's more to it than that.
Crensch ago
You've been wrong so often already, what makes you think you're right this time?
letsdothis1 ago
You are the one who started this post. I was busy making new posts.
Crensch ago
I was pinged to your bullshit.
I don't like having my time wasted by people that can't follow very simple rules.
Had you settled it with the regular mods, admitted your mistake, and rewritten your submission, I wouldn't have been bothered.
letsdothis1 ago
What bullshit?
Crensch ago
You. Thinking your submission deserved to stay up.
letsdothis1 ago
You mean me trying to have a discussion. Nobody's falling for the routine Crensch. We've seen it all before on the Icke forum. This is all old hat.
Crensch ago
I don't get called in unless there's a problem.
You created one.
letsdothis1 ago
Ooooohhh... Crrrensschh.. is here.... Do you know anything about this? https://hroldblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/zero-tolerance-on-icke-trolls/
Crensch ago
Sounds like a faggot.
The rest of the post is also soyboy-tier claptrap.
Why, exactly, would I know anything about this?
letsdothis1 ago
That's not one of MY quotes. LOL.
Well, what about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr9zlrScGR8
Crensch ago
Not watching a video.
Also, not following any more links of yours until you can figure out how to properly describe what's in them, and why it's relevant.
letsdothis1 ago
Suit yourself. I fully intend to explain it to the others.
Dungles ago
And dictated by someone who thinks they are better than the users. Why are you arguing over technicalities in deletions. When in doubt leave it up. Just answer that if you can.
Crensch ago
Every. Single. Time.
Every single time the "users" come to us with some problem, THEY ARE WRONG. Objectively.
Technicalities? OP was wiping his ass with rule 3, and that's the only rule I even checked it against. MOST of the links in that post violated rule 3.
THERE IS NO DOUBT
Leave the snark to people that can pull it off. It just makes you look like a tryhard.
Dungles ago
@Kevdude @MickgoestoJail @Puttiout @Disappointed
Crensch ago
@ExpertShitposter @Trigglypuff @Hey_Sunshine @heygeorge
I can do that, too!
ExpertShitposter ago
Why are people so hell bent on deleting this. Its not like one post that MIGHT be child abuse that is not 100% directly related to elites is instantly "spam interfering with pizagate investigation" come the fuck on. Someone is being a fag here.
Crensch ago
Ehh, not sure about discussing that kind of reasoning. My thing is, PG has rules the users helped set up for themselves. If a submission obviously runs afoul of that, is it not on the mods to delete it?
PG wasn't designed to be just a whatever subverse, it was designed to be a legit-research-repository. With that, the creator and users agreed that rules and active rule-enforcing mods were needed.
There's a sticky on PG about possibly changing mods or rules, or getting rid of one or both.
ExpertShitposter ago
I'm just saying, if something seems to be on the edge, isn't it better to not delete? Especially if its potentially part of the investigation.
Crensch ago
If it was on the edge, sure. I posit this was a pretty gross violation. Just a bunch of unexplained links people would have to click through in order to get a sense of what OP was trying to connect or say.
Dungles ago
@puttitout mis pinged above
twistedmac11 ago
And this is who we have moderating shit? Someone with the temperament of a toddler? Jesus, no wonder Voat is going to shit. You'd think @ESOTERICshade was the mod by the drastic difference in tone. Calm the fuck down.
If you can't deal with some pushback online without having a coronary, maybe you should consider other hobbies. Therapy, perhaps.
ESOTERICshade ago
This is typical for the mod sub bro. This is the insult chamber where problems seldom get solved. @crensch is talented enough to type "nigger kike shill, kike shill nigger" 12 times a minute without making a typo though. Pretty impressive :)
twistedmac11 ago
That is a rare talent indeed LOL
ESOTERICshade ago
This sub is also rigged. See that 10 CPP down vote limit in the sidebar? As long as that limit is in place you and I will NEVER gain those points so that we can down vote because the system will not add them with that limit in place. I can up vote you 50 times and you still won't get those ten points because the system won't add those points. Only people that had those 10 points before the limit was activated can down vote. So they sit in here and down vote us knowing that we will never be able to down vote no matter how many up votes we get. Pretty sneaky huh?
heygeorge ago
This is not true.
Dungles ago
About 6 months ago the site admin made it so posting in a restricted subverse would mean you dont gain any ccp. It was done so people didnt make brigade subverses.
ESOTERICshade ago
The vote farming issue was given as the reason but I don't understand how that will stop vote farming. A person and a couple of his buddies can still make a sub, and up vote each other. How did it limit vote farming? Maybe it helps in a way that I don't understand but I still see ways that people can farm up votes because that one code change won't stop it.
Dungles ago
I'm not arguing with you about it, just telling the reason behind it. That was the Voat site admin btw, not the mods and owners of this sub.
ESOTERICshade ago
I know you're not. :) I was just asking out of curiosity because the admin reason for doing it didn't make sense to me in a vote farming scenario.
Dungles ago
I agree it doesn't make sense. There are massive upvote farms here. In my opinion you guys should ask @puttitout to remove the owners and mods here. The way the users get treated here reminds me of reddit. If you're wondering how I found this thread this is what I saw: https://voat.co/v/AnonTalk/2394561 so I came over to correct the bullshit and the unfair downvotes.
ESOTERICshade ago
Thanx. I will check it out. I didn't know that v/AnonTalk sub even existed. Yes this sub has been a hostage to the board owners and mods from day one. They run rough shod over everybody and do as they please. They have destroyed what this sub once was. You can tell from crensh's attitude that they don't care at all about this sub. They powermod over everybody and if you don't like the way they act they just tell you "fuck your fee fees go to Redditt bitch" and stuff like that.
letsdothis1 ago
I don't think it's a matter of 'not caring' Esoteric. There's so much investment by the mods in terms of time, yet as you say they run rough shod over people. Something else is going on here.
ESOTERICshade ago
That has been obvious for a long time. Putting it to task with intelligent conversation forces them to go to asshole mode like they invariably do and it is a good exercise to let it "shine" in all its glory. Anybody with half a brain can read this thread and see what is going on, so that in itself is worth something :)
letsdothis1 ago
And that's why I invested some time here today. ;-)
ESOTERICshade ago
Touche :)
Dungles ago
You dont need to limit ccp to take a subverse off v/all. There is a setting right above that sets the subverse private and clearly says so. Anyone who made the ccp restriction 10 would have seen it.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is interesting. Makes a person wonder why @crensch wants this sub so that only him and buddies (unless they are all the same person) can down vote huh? And why hidden from v/all so that it does not "bug anybody."? People might be interested to see how they treat people in this sub and deal with the posters.
ESOTERICshade ago
I thought they stopped private subs when they did the code change six months ago? Can you still make verses private?
Dungles ago
Its not true private, it just removes it from v/all. There has never been a true private sub on Voat like they had on Reddit. Its been the same since forever and after the code chages its still the same.
Crensch ago
Cool. Show me where I'm wrong, faggot.
twistedmac11 ago
Deflect, deflect, deflect. I'm talking about your temperament, you ignorant fool. Get mad, call names, deflect. Excellent. All actions of a toddler. Smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out. I swear life gets MUCH more enjoyable when you relax.
Crensch ago
Tone-fallacy.
Fuck your feelings. I'm right, you're not. I'm not deflecting shit - your concerns are simply irrelevant.
Degenerate faggot. Using chemicals to change how your mind works.
I'm enjoying the salt here just fine.
Your emotion-based arguments are laughable, and have fuck-all to do with how I run this subverse.
Also, you still can't show me where I'm wrong.
twistedmac11 ago
I rest my case.
Irrelevant to who? You? Sure. The rest of the subverse? No. I know better than to waste my energy arguing with a toddler, though. Your brain simply isn't developed enough to reason with yet.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Considering the supporting echo chamber your setting up with your cronies and alts, this comment made me laugh.
Your brain simply isn't developed enough to reason with yet
The general shallowness of your comments in this thread are enough for any cognizant observer to understand your only purpose here is to derail, distract and destruct. Keep going though, you've a long way to go before you could be good at it.
JusticeforAaron ago
You're dealing with a psychopath, no use.
Crensch ago
Anyone that isn't a walking vagina.
You, and whomever else in the subverse that cannot handle their emotions, are not relevant. You supposedly research child-traffcking and rape, but a guy on the internet gets your panties in a wad?
This post is one of my lowest-voted posts. 1.6 years ago.
All I said was that there's no good reason to believe the Holocaust happened.
So I set out to present my findings about it to Voat. I made a claim, then linked information about it.
Have you seen the front page of Voat?
But MY brain isn't developed. Go cry in a corner, soyboy.
ESOTERICshade ago
As usual @letsdothis1 we are spinning our wheels in the pizzagatemods sub with nothing getting done and the insults flying. There is not much left of this sub to save anyway but at least we tried.
letsdothis1 ago
I don't know about you but I'm starting to be entertained by this.
ESOTERICshade ago
Its always a riot in the mod sub. Same drill over and over. You notice the "answer" was to turn this place to utter chaos for two weeks with no mods. Then they can come in to save the day and "be right." This place is definitely entertaining and also enlightening.
letsdothis1 ago
Also very educational to understand certain things about 'cyberculture'.
letsdothis1 ago
Esoteric, EVERYBODY knows about Chatham House..that right there is an indicator of the game we are playing.
Thanks for your fortitude by the way.
ESOTERICshade ago
The links themselves were descriptive. They said what they were. This is indeed a game when the bar gets set this high.
You are welcome but it won't last (my interest wanes daily for this place, like most people that used to be here) because even the rims are worn off this sub. The tires blew out a few hundred deleted posts ago.
ESOTERICshade ago
I actually think the rules are pretty good. I think its the interpreter of the rules that is the problem. The lead mod does not fit in. I think its that simple. If that does not solve it then maybe tinker with the rules? But the rules actually look decent to me. And to be honest with you I don't know if there are enough interested parties left in the sub to have a rules discussion that would be very meaningful, its that bad.
heygeorge ago
Do you know where to find other 'interested parties' and see if they'd be interested in coming back for a new rules/moderation discussion?
think- ago
I don't think the rules are a problem in general.
The only thing I'd like to be changed is that OPs should have some time to fix a post, instead of deleting a post and require reposting.
Reason for this:
Often posts already have many comments when a mod deletes and asks to fix and repost.
Comments won't show on a repost, and discussions get interrupted by requiring to repost, even if its a minor issue that needs to be fixed.
I'd suggest to give OPs 30 minutes or so to fix, shouldn't they do so, delete and ask for repost.
This, of course, depends on whether the mods have the time to look at a post again in the given time period, I'm aware of this.
@Vindicator @Millenial_Falcon @kevdude
heygeorge ago
I believe a new rules thread has been started.
Well said, I think you should essentially post this over there.
think- ago
Thank you, I will take a look and crosspost. Also, I will ping some PG people to join the discussion.
ESOTERICshade ago
And to add, even if the board owners go, and the mods, the only way I think people would come back here is if some known users were put in charge that they thought would do a good job. Changing the names in the sidebar and keeping the same people won't work, too late for those games. This place is blowed the fuck up and there probably is no repair at this point, and to be straight up truthful, a lot of people think that was the goal all along, to blow this place up and stop the investigation. It is perfectly reasonable to people to be suspicious too.
heygeorge ago
Is vindicator no good also? I thought he seemed more well-liked.
Personally, I think the community does quite a lot on its own to divide itself. I think it's also rather possible that the mods (I'm talking specifically about the day-to-day mods) are trying to fight of what they see as shills, too.
I don't think anyone would be involved with PG if they didn't have a suspicious mind.
think- ago
Yes, he is well-liked by the community. Some might beg to differ with me, but that's only natural - you'll never find a mod everybody will agree with.
I think what people appreciate the most is that he's sensitive in a good way, and that he's got emotional intelligence - two essentials if you're modding. Being smart is not enough.
Also, he's patient and takes the time to explain and to help people.
ESOTERICshade ago
A much better mod than falcon. I disagree with vindicator on letting Q into the sub because it has created a lot of division in the sub and lets face it an anonymous person on the internet that claims Soros got kidnapped and locked up in Camp David, and then only to show up and heckle Trump at Davos, is not worthy to be in a sub that deals with child abuse. That is v/conspiracy or v/politics tier stuff. Soros isn't the only huge bag of lies to come out of the Q bag of lies. It does not belong here but to answer the question yes vindicator is a much better mod.
heygeorge ago
I don't really follow the Q stuff, so I can't verify or deny your specific claims.
This may be a good thing to put in the rules discussion, if you're going to add to that.
Were you around when PG first moved to Voat?
ESOTERICshade ago
I watched it as it happened but at the time I was not posting here.
ESOTERICshade ago
I'm still in touch with some but most I don't know how to contact. Some went to steemit and youtube and I might be able to find some of those, but some I would not be able to find because I don't know what their steemit names are. But honestly, no shit, I don't think they care enough to get involved with the situation with the same board owners and mods here. Hell, i'm so burned out on it I am not even sure I would go through it. I mean, look what happened in this thread. Same bullshit of "i am always right, you are always wrong, fuck you we don't care what you think, and fuck off to Redditt." Nobody wants to tolerate that, including me. If there is a discussion on the rules what incentive do I have to even participate with these same people here? They don't give a damn what anybody thinks and they said so many times in this thread. We can discuss until the cows come home and they will just do the same shit.
heygeorge ago
Some of what you're referring to is what I think of as... Crensch being Crensch. You're referring to plurality of people, but in reality are talking about one user.
I think a rules thread has been started.
ESOTERICshade ago
Unacceptable.
Not for me. That is just @crensch bait.
letsdothis1 ago
Order, order !
In that case, I better go and sort out the title of my latest post :-)
Crensch ago
If that's all you got from my OP, you have bigger issues than how you format your post.
ESOTERICshade ago
This is a seriously deep rabbit hole with Welcome Trust and all of its affiliated parties. It literally would take hours just to get a decent grip on how complicated and vast it is, and then even longer to truly comprehend it. This cannot be understood in a couple of explanatory paragraphs. But that is what the sub ONCE DID, research and dot connecting from a few affiliations, that it can't do now without passing over Falcon's impossible nit picks and opinions.
@kevdude @vindicator @letsdothis1 @swordfish69 @think-
letsdothis1 ago
First, let me just say that I appreciate that you guys are looking into this.
I thought that if you read through my threads it should be clear how it fits together. I appreciate sometimes though that the linking may be not too obvious if you don't follow this forum closely. I'm always happy to clarify if that is the case. However to delete an entire post without the opportunity makes it difficult to bring it back.
Also, summarizing a complicated thread can be very difficult - personally I think it's unnecessary and just creates a 'dumbing down' effect. Also, sometimes it is not possible for a researcher to weave a whole story together and that's the whole point of posting on here, to crowdsource information. It's usually quite obvious which posters are genuinely trying to pull information together as opposed to the posters who are here to clutter up the forum with rubbish.
My 2 cents.
Crensch ago
It is not my, or anyone else's, job to read through all your threads in order to make sense of your most recent one. That's the whole point of the rules of this subverse - that anyone can pick up the torch with minimal starting effort and confusion.
New people, battle-fatigued-but-returning, casual observers... you claim Voat looks awful for deleted threads getting linked elsewhere on the net, but you appeal to such a small group that require a very esoteric knowledge of the subject. How do you reconcile that?
Copy -> Paste -> Edit -> Submit.
How difficult is that?
How much more difficult is it for a mod to coddle rulebreakers and "warn" then "check back" on them later? What is this, preschool?
So you like it when most people can't follow your work. Good to know.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS SUBVERSE IS TO WEAVE THAT WEB TOGETHER SO PEOPLE CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND IT AND MAKE CONNECTIONS AND INVESTIGATE WHATEVER PART INTERESTS THEM.
YOU have your own specific lead trail you're following, and it's up to YOU to make your case that it is RELEVANT to PG.
... for a very small, finite, vanishing group of people that understand your connections. Top notch.
Step 1) Post your findings to crowdsource information
Step 2) Do so in a way that very, very few will even know what the hell you're talking about.
Step 3) ???
Seems to me that the rules were put there because the community wanted anyone to be able to pick up the torch at any time, and be able to follow the narrative, fact check it with links, and pursue their area of interest.
If that's no longer the case. If that's not what the users want anymore, we can just go freestyle and let anyone and everyone post however, and you esoteric folks can sift through it all in your ivory towers of knowledge while Voat gets a reputation of leaving up whatever horseshit someone wants to post about PG.
letsdothis1 ago
When a post is deleted can I still access the source code? Due to the number of links in my posts that would be necessary for me.
Voat has already acquired another reputation.
But impossible to please everybody, aye?
Crensch ago
Voat goes down sometimes. What do you do then?
Why wouldn't you back up your work locally? Isn't this stuff important?
More of your cryptic bullshit. Acting like others can read your mind.
Voat is the only solid place to post PG stuff, no?
Going to switch gears here:
@kevdude
There are already other subverses for unrestricted PG stuff. If the real researchers found our rules and deletions limiting, why would they not happily go there?
This particular one, @letsdothis1 claims that his research isn't for the lowest-common-denominator anyway. Why wouldn't they take their ball and go elsewhere to play?
Would the real research not attract the real PG people? If they did that, this subverse would be a husk of shills trying to convince the massive, mostly-inactive user number that their false information was the real deal.
Sometimes I really fucking hate this place.
ESOTERICshade ago
People have been saying its the mod but nobody will listen.
Crensch ago
Because there is no evidence, tard.
ESOTERICshade ago
Its your sub. If you don't want to solve its problems then you won't. Its pretty simple.
Crensch ago
It's the user's sub. And every time M_F is accused, IT IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT - the deletions SHOULD have happened regardless.
ESOTERICshade ago
Is that why you rigged this sub so that only people with 10 CPP points can down vote? You know, that small select group that got those points before the limit was set? Most users don't realize that no matter how many up votes they get they will never gain down vote points. But I do...
Crensch ago
@Codewow did that so it's not on the front page, faggot.
ESOTERICshade ago
No need to ping @codewow. I know how it works very well.
ESOTERICshade ago
Why are there some down voted comments in the forum then?
Crensch ago
Are you really this fucking stupid?
IF there is a CCP requirement here, it is TO KEEP THE SUBMISSIONS OFF OF /V/ALL FRONT PAGE YOU FUCKING RETARD. It's not in /new it's not in /all it's not on the front page of anything. It's HERE and only HERE so we don't pester the rest of Voat.
ESOTERICshade ago
You are dealing with somebody that knows, that as long as that 10 cpp limit is turn on, that people without the required down vote points will NEVER gain those ten points with that limit in place because the system will not add the points to a poster's tally with that setting turned on. We know that. So answer the question. Why are you guys down voting people when those same people will never gain points with that setting turned on?
ESOTERICshade ago
You didn't answer the question. The question is: Why are you guys with the required CPP points down voting comments of other posters when those same posters will never gain the right to down vote?
I know it limits visibility, that is not the question.
Crensch ago
Oh wow, what a shitty question.
I don't know, or care, why, or what, happens with votes here. Make a circlejerk brigade post and upvote your faggot selves for all I care.
What a fucking waste of effort.
ESOTERICshade ago
Being on the weak end of an argument has you triggered. You seem stressed. I'm concerned about you. Perhaps you should rest?
ESOTERICshade ago
I guess that is why most of the user's left this place. They didn't like themselves and the way they were running their own sub anymore.
Crensch ago
They voted on the rules, not my fucking problem.
The current mods have yet to have any credible accusations thrown at them.
Not my fucking problem that the users are either weak, stupid, or happy with how the place is going and you're full of shit.
ESOTERICshade ago
Those who disagree with us are "kikes, niggers, shills, or amalek alts"....yawn
letsdothis1 ago
Definitely. That's why I'm here.
just to interject in your dialogue with ... kev ..., I post on other subverses too.
Crensch ago
I'm not overly opposed.
We could sticky a poll question on whether or not we should stop moderation for a couple weeks to test it.
No need to clear out the mods, if the users don't want moderation for two weeks, mods do no moderation. Obviously, moderating during that time would be grounds for removal.
And yeah, do another poll in two weeks to see if users want rules cleared, provided they poll "yes" to no moderation beforehand.
Then again, this is probably what the trolls/subversives want.
Mickgoestojail ago
I think this is a good idea and link back to this thread. Ask the users. You have 3 stickies now. I would make the thread now though.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is a recipe for sure chaos. We need moderation, just moderation without the current lead mod. @kevdude @vindicator
Crensch ago
Oh, here it is
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2390929/11895310
Sorry. Coming to the party late I tend to miss some things. Got it now.
ESOTERICshade ago
Join the club bro, tons of people have left because of this. More are leaving every week.
Crensch ago
"This" what?
ESOTERICshade ago
He is insinuating himself and his opinion into the research topics. Its all in the deleted thread. This was a brilliant thread, to say the least. It takes a brilliant mind to make all these types of connections. This is just one of hundreds he has deleted and the best researchers the sub ever had have left over it.
Matter of fact @swordfish69 and @letsdothis1 are the only two left I can think of right now. There used to be dozens.
Planned Parenthood works with pimps that sex traffic children. They run the trafficked children through Planned Parenthood and sell the fetal tissue products. The pizzagate community wants a light shone on it and Falcon thwarts it as "abortion politics."
He is the one making it political, not us. All we care about is the fact that sex trafficked children are being used to prop up the fetal tissue sales as a closed loop system. Groom child sex slaves, harvest their fetuses, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.....
Falcon says "yes but they make medical treatments for stem cells and help people with it too." Maybe so but we don't care what he thinks. We don't hear his philosophy, or his politics. We just want to be allowed to go where the facts lead us. Period.
That is just ONE of the brilliant associations that were connected to Marina Abromavic, Welcome Trust, Democrats, Podesta, and a whole host of complicated connections.
We don't feel that its his job to give us his opinion and philosophy about our findings. He does not have to like it. We don't like where it leads us either but we go there to shine a light on it.
You guys can defend him all day long and it won't solve anything at this point because the posting community has no faith left in him at all. It expired. To put it bluntly we want him gone.
This place is a shadow of its former self and in my opinion it is because he has driven off the best pizzagate minds and researchers in the business. We can argue about that all day, or not, but the fact is that the sub has suffered and will continue to do so. This aint' rocket science. Just my opinion but I want for this sub to cut its losses with this mod.
He has a history of banning people like me and i'm one of the few that will speak because I don't care if he bans me or not. I just want decent moderation and he is not it.
If it has come down to the point that we have to fight him over research this good because of his opinions then we are all just spinning in the mud. It does not have to be this hard, he makes it this hard.
I'm sick of this so bad I don't even check this sub and read it like I used to, like a lot of other people.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2390929
@kevdude @vindicator @swordfish69 @think- @letsdothis1
Crensch ago
No, it wasn't.
letsdothis1 ago
I've just seen my report card. I agree that sometimes I didn't make some connecting sentences with this post because I had so much information and was pressed for time. Some people did understand what I was getting at but those would be the ones who have been here a while and already have some background knowledge.
I don't really understand the need to delete without giving someone the opportunity to clarify certain bits when clearly the post contains much information, but as Esoteric says, it's your subverse.
If this platform was truly evolving over time we shouldn't have to constantly create posts for people who have zilch knowledge of our research here i.e. pander to the lowest common denominator. To be honest, I'm surprised this forum has lasted as long as it has here.
I see now you are suggesting a poll. Now where have I seen that before ? Hmm... now let me think....
Vindicator ago
The only problem with this point is that material that is overly dense and full of obscure references isn't helpful for people to share with their friends and family. We need both muscular research AND readability. Plus, we have a group of folks who are paid to spam the board with dense, obscurely referenced nutty material to spread disinfo and delegitimize real researchers. To remove those posts, we have to have the ruleset, which means everyone is subject to it.
Crensch ago
Well said, sir. Very well said.
Crensch ago
This is the level of your posts.
Nah, but you should be able to point to something that weaves it all together when you go to present your findings to others.
Or are you just researching it for your own benefit?
Who are you going to convince with that? Yourselves? A court? A jury? The normies?
letsdothis1 ago
Irony?
My posts are not just a random collection of unrelated links. They already 'weave' together - though granted, I'm not always 100% successful and explaining every point and in that regard some posts are weaker than others.
Who am I trying to convince? Depends on the data...and who's listening.
Crensch ago
That's what they look like.
Voat has a fuckton of lurkers. Are you not trying to convince everyone?
This post is one of my lowest-voted posts. 1.6 years ago.
All I said was that there's no good reason to believe the Holocaust happened.
So I set out to present my findings about it to Voat. I made a claim, then linked information about it.
Have you seen the front page of Voat?
What have you done?
ESOTERICshade ago
You were also given the opportunity to do so right? Did the mod tell you that your lead in was not descriptive enough and deny you the opportunity to prove your premise?
Crensch ago
All right, I lied. I'm going to respond to this ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.
I MADE THAT SUBVERSE MYSELF YOU RETARD.
MY WORK WAS SO GOOD THAT THE ENTIRE WEBSITE CHANGED THEIR GODDAMN MINDS.
Your work, however?
Kek.
ESOTERICshade ago
That was my point
Crensch ago
Then make your own subverse, retard.
letsdothis1 ago
Then I can't help you.
Crensch ago
I literally showed you what they look like. It has fuck-all to do with helping me.
You are wrong. Your post ran afoul of the rules. You are not helping me, I am helping you; but it could be that you are incapable of accepting that help, and you're projecting that limitation onto me.
letsdothis1 ago
I've already conceded that it wasn't one of my better posts in terms of explaining how one link led to another - supplying an explanation 'For Dummies' as it were.
Especially if one has OCD, right? Or a military background? But I digress.. I'll ensure that I backup my posts before delivering them to voat in future.
Crensch ago
I won't divulge what I have or don't have, but I seem to be really, really good at dissecting posts, comments, narratives, and lives with ruthless efficiency and, generally, a large dose of mockery and disdain.
letsdothis1 ago
So that confirms what I'm thinking
Modest fellow, aren't you?
Crensch ago
Probably not. I don't think you're quite as smart as you think you are.
You haven't seen what I've done, apparently. Maybe you should trudge through my submissions and comments and find it all because I can't be bothered to explain each link and how it relates to PG and you must be lazy and I shouldn't have to appeal to the lowest-common-denominator.
I'm still not convinced my point has been taken on any of that yet.
letsdothis1 ago
I'm simply observant.
Ooh, authoritarian too.
Crensch ago
That, too, might be overestimated.
Suggesting you do what you suggested others should do earlier? I thought you were observant?
letsdothis1 ago
I'm saying that you seem to have authoritarian tendencies.
I generally am :-)
Crensch ago
I tend to not put up with bullshit.
Just not today? Or just not when self-reflecting?
letsdothis1 ago
Neither do I. But I express myself differently - maybe because I have a larger vocabulary.
You'd be surprised what I've observed and gleaned today :-)
Crensch ago
I sincerely doubt you have a larger vocabulary than I do.
I doubt that, too.
letsdothis1 ago
Of course you do. Just keeping those big words for date night, right?
Well, I guess we'll never know.
Crensch ago
What's hilarious here is that anyone reading this would think you're suggesting that you've used some of that vocabulary here here, while I have not.
If that's the case, your vocabulary is laughably small. If not, how, exactly, is this an insult?
Acting cryptic doesn't make it any more believable.
letsdothis1 ago
eh? how so?
I'm not acting. And, I was just stating the obvious.
Crensch ago
"Of COURSE you do" <--- sarcasm suggesting I do not have a large vocabulary.
"Just keeping those big words for date night, right?" <--- suggesting I'm not using that large vocabulary here, which would suggest that's your litmus test for it. Meaning that if you, too, have not used your vocabulary, then you failed your own litmus test, no? Then why bring it up, unless you had been?
Or do you just have a different standard for yourself than you do for others?
letsdothis1 ago
what's the matter, can't you handle a bit of sarcasm? What do you expect with your 'bull in a china shop' approach? Or do you want to be treated like a girl?
Crensch ago
You seemed to need me to walk you through your own stupidity. It's hilarious that you won't address the fact that you just showed that either you're a hypocrite with different standards for yourself as others, or you think you've been using your "large" vocabulary this entire time.
letsdothis1 ago
My overtures in trying to have a balanced discussion here included:
However, achieving a balanced conversation doesn't happen with you, does it?
Why on earth do you think I give a rat's ass whether you think I'm a hypocrite or not? Or I'm seriously interested in whether my vocabulary is bigger than yours or not ? (I already know the answer to that anyway.)
What's painfully obvious is the cheap pop psychological tricks you're trying to use to manipulate. Either you haven't had enough lessons or you're not a very good student. Maybe you should consider going back for further training?
Crensch ago
Oh, this is just embarrassing for you.
Yeah, I bet you tell yourself what you want to hear.
What's obvious is that I can pick apart your life and you don't like it.
Says the person that can't follow very simple instructions.
letsdothis1 ago
ROFL
Crensch ago
Keep laughing.
letsdothis1 ago
I already told you a couple of hours back that I read my report card. Remember?
I think you need to go have a lie down.
Crensch ago
Yeah, you just seem to think that getting all Fs somehow isn't a scathing indictment of your mental faculties.
I think you need to start reading some books.
letsdothis1 ago
What books would you recommend ?
Crensch ago
Probably some Dr. Seuss for your level. Move up to some Berenstain Bears eventually.
letsdothis1 ago
I knew you'd use that as the excuse to cover for your lack of knowledge. And don't you mean BerenstEin Bears?
Crensch ago
Yeah, no. I thought you were observant?
letsdothis1 ago
I was referring to this...and no I'm not going to write a sentence explaining the link - it's self evident: The Berenst(E)ain Bears Conspiracy Theory That Has Convinced the Internet There Are Parallel Universes
Crensch ago
I'm familiar with the Mandela Effect.
ESOTERICshade ago
It your sub, what is left of it. Do with it as you will.
letsdothis1 ago
The David Icke forum for the Hampstead case in the UK was the test model for what is going on here Esoteric IMHO.
ESOTERICshade ago
They put the hammer down on that forum too? The only answer that has been put forth so far is "lets let the sub ride two weeks with no moderaton."
All that will do is prove that the forum will be chaos without some supervision. Then they can pretend to have been right all along after they come back in and "restore order" to the intentional chaos that is created.
If the answers to the problems can't get any better than turn this place into anarchy and chaos intentionally to prove a point then we might just be spinning our wheels here bro...
letsdothis1 ago
You'd be surprised how many people pay attention to what goes on here. Even these little skirmishes help to open eyes. Just sayin...
Vindicator ago
Interesting comment. How many people, where? Whose eyes?
Crensch ago
Same, to be quite honest. I wasn't being facetious here or anything, that's literally the only comment I saw of M_F's.
Certainly not trying to rile anyone else up. Shit makes me want to claw my way out of my skin, but if I don't watch it, who will?
Crensch ago
To clarify, I didn't see another M_F comment on the subject.
Crensch ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2390929/11907248
It's not?
Millennial_Falcon ago
Hear ye, hear ye!