So here's the deal. A number of moderators on Voat have become friends with each other on IRC.

Apparently, the 'friends' of moderators won't hold them accountable, no matter how indefensible their position happens to be. I wouldn't have friends that would back me up no matter how wrong I was, but it seems that some people don't set the bar that high.

This is an issue, because it becomes very much like an in-crowd of people that can do no wrong according to - wait for it - you.

This is entirely true. However, that IRC server and our conversations are entirely public and many more people who don't have such positions also participate.

If I wanted to associate with the kind of people that wouldn't hold others accountable for their actions, I wouldn't have left the other site.

If any of you want to join, please do, we could use some fresh blood.

Not if someone like you has any power over it.

Obviously, the most active people who have been here the longest are the ones that acquire mod positions and are most interested in IRC, so yeah, many of us showed up there. Obvious correlation, not causation.

Correlation, causation, completely-fucking-irrelevant. I don't care when you became a circle to jerk each other off, nor do I care how - it happened.

The relevant facts are that some few are defending this cunt in such a dishonest, and shady way that there's really no reason to trust them, or anyone associated with them.

If anyone has questions or concerns, please, post them here or PM them to me, and I'll do my best to answer them. Especially concerns about policy, because I want this place to be as immune to corruption as possible, and IRC policies are a good part of that.

Would you consider shady/shit moderation, and dishonest argumentation to be part of that corruption, or does corruption mean something different to people like you?

What I see is a few people who are intentionally breaking rules and baiting mods into deleting posts so they can feign outrage and then request those subs for themselves, and a few more people who don't like rules or mods of any kind anywhere.

What I see is that the SJW cabal is starting drama in whatever subverses they think they own, and when pinged, get absolutely fucking wrecked in the comments. What I see is a bunch of people baited into posting on subverses with mods that'll lick the assholes of the drama queens and start deleting posts and banning.

What I see is the conversation being moved to places where this shit is bound to happen by those arguing in defense of she.

And I find that seriously fucking dishonest.

I mean, @ElectroLumus already admitted to a lot of dishonesty, and @nomerasques requested ownership of /v/askvoat after brigading the hell out of his objection to @she by linking it to a couple other subreddits. (He dropped the request a few hours ago because of people calling him out on the obvious conflict of interest.)

What's really great about all of this, is that their words and actions are completely fucking irrelevant, yet you, and those like you, seem to think that it's worth mentioning.

Nobody is rallying behind either of them. This end of the argument isn't by some group with any goal in mind besides calling out bullshit mods and their bullshit cabal. Literally nothing else links the people on this end. You guys have your cute little "public" IRC that, surprise, surprise, one of you has power in.

Now people are getting angry about /v/seriousdiscussion, but anyone paying attention will notice a few things:

It's @ElectroLumus causing the outrage again

And this is still completely irrelevant.

The removed posts were breaking the rules of /v/seriousdiscussion

Nobody pinged there, or who saw it on the front page gives a damn about the rules. Most probably aren't even subbed there. The bait post was put there for that very purpose.

This isn't an argument against those on this side, it's a scathing indictment of the depths your side will sink to in order to win any discussion.

People trying to argue against the witch hunt also had some posts removed under the same rules

Oh, boo hoo, one or two low effort posts in with many, many more high effort posts on this end.

Way to make it look like you're just being "fair". Any kid could do that.

Posts with the same message that don't break the rules are not being removed

Bullshit. Oh, and what about the bannings? Not one of you twisted fucks was banned.

Now, I've said it dozens of times already, and I'll say it again, I can understand some outrage against /v/askvoat's question mark rule, especially when highly upvoted posts are removed. I supported Atko when he removed /v/askvoat from the defaults, I recommended to askvoat mods that they change the rule, and I supported Stoic when he changed it.

"Pepper the post with something to make me sound reasonable... find something, anything... just something that makes me seem like I'm not always going to be against them."

Your agreeing with us makes no difference, and doesn't in any way make the rest of your post any less wrong.

However, when someone posts something critical of a mod and intentionally breaks a rule so it will be removed and he can pretend to be angry, fuck that guy.

No, fuck that mod. ESPECIALLY because the rule, in plain fucking English, didn't actually say anything about a question MARK. She interpreted it how bitches with morality issues interpret things, and deleted it.

If your moderating is being bitched about by a massive fucking sub you're moderating, you ride the pine like a good little bitch until the matter is solved. Anything else is proving how unqualified you are to moderate.

Now the same people are doing exactly the same thing in /v/seriousdiscussion and a hundred others are just taking their bullshit at face value.

Again, baiting people into a sub with rules and mods that favor you isn't an argument against us, it's a massive sign that points to your complete inability to hold your own with words - you require mods to do your dirty work.

If you break rules, your posts will be removed.

You know, Atko pretty much stomped that one to death already. Maybe you should rethink your internal model of how things are going to be run here.

That's not censorship, that's how the website is designed, how quality is maintained, and how the purpose of many subs (/v/seriousdiscussion especially) is enforced.

Rendered completely irrelevant by my previous words. You repeat yourself a lot.

If you want /v/seriousdiscussion to turn into a cesspool of insults instead of actual serious discussion

I reject your implied assertion that I cannot present serious discussion while also calling she a bitch.

then by all means, keep protesting every deletion. The rest of us, myself included, will protest against you.

I cannot wait until the lot of you are stomped into submission. Seems like it takes a while for deluded people to finally realize when they've lost.

The lot of you still haven't figured out that defending she is a completely lost cause. You continue to use every kind of manipulative tactic your pathetic minds can come up with in order to rewrite history, or divert the attention off of the actual subjects, but you're flailing.

If you see people deleting posts to push a political agenda, whether it's liberal, conservative, or anything else, then let me know, because I'll join that protest with whatever influence I have.

Don't want you. If this is the best argumentation you can come up with, hang out with the other side.

If you all have any questions or arguments or whatever, I'll respond to whatever I can in the comments below.

Oh, I do hope you respond. Not that I think you can do better than you have, much as I'd like that, but it'll be fun to keep sticking needles in all the places you wriggle.

Edit 2: As soon as @ElectroLumus was pinged, @Scandinavian and @kevdude also showed up and I got 5 downvotes on most of my comments. Now, who's in a secret cabal here?

Some people aren't mods of big subs... or you know, "friends" of mods in the right places - *wink wink

If that's the only way they can harm you beyond just shutting you down textually, when you have all the power, your whining about internet points makes you pathetic.