How To Get Your Posts To Stick and Not Be Deleted ---&--- Helping the 'New Posts' Section -- Recipes (pizzagate)

submitted ago by privatepizza

How To Get Your Posts To Stay Un-Deleted ---- Recipe

This is not a Mod-Attack btw.

It seems that regular PG Voaters' posts are still being deleted due to the rules of posting in this verse not being covered.

I believe we are missing some great info because of this, and new posters are getting disheartened.

Looking though the deleted posts regularly (as this is where a lot of good info is found), I find that many posts would have not been deleted had the posters ensured they covered the rules.

FYI, and to help, here's the recipe I use (found over time), to get my posts to always stick -

  • Simply posting a link will ensure your post is deleted.

  • If posting a link, create your post as a 'Discuss' post, and write a couple of sentences in the post box to describe what it's about. Then, just to make sure, add a sentence saying how it relates to PG.

  • If it's a headline without a link, you need to again, write the above in the post, and also include a link or two.

  • This recipe covers all the rules on the side bar. There's always a way to get something to pertain to PG (if it's a genuine post with good info), and always something to link to.

Here's a great link / post by @freeagent37 posted earlier, which because it's just a link, will most likely be deleted. (notice my link added here to cover rules ---- thanks @freeagent37 ) https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1780854

How to ensure great posts aren't slid into oblivion - Helping the 'New' section and new posts

Along with some trash and spam, a lot of great posts can be found in the 'New' section. There's a constant stream of 'new' posts.

Unfortunately, shills jump on them quickly and downvoat them. Even 2 downvoats to 2 upvoats ensures the post doesn't gather any traction.

Two downvoats to even 4 upvoats means that others may decide, without looking for themselves, just at the voats, that it's an irrelevant post. Often this is not the case, and important posts don't get viewers because of shill tactics.

The 'new' section I spend a lot of time in, upvoating and commenting on the good posts (any positive comment when I don't have time to write a full one), so that they'll gain traction quickly and not be slid (lost because of lack of interest). Comments help threads get to the 'Hot' list and it doesn't need many.

Example of an amazing research post being downvoated into oblivion today ---- https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1781115

  • Suggest we all spend time checking the 'NEW' section, to ensure we're not losing important info because of shills.

Edit - Editing Posts

Every part of your main post can be edited using the 'edit' button below your post. The only thing that can't be edited is your headline, so imho it's important to take great care over this part.

Use of all capital letters and 'click-baity' headlines are generally seen as annoying by PG Voaters, so we can try to bear that in mind too, while making sure our headlines look interesting enough to click on. Use your imagination :)

EDIT 34 ;) : It's customary if you edit your main post, to write 'EDIT' before it. This ensures others see your up-to-date / added / new info.

  • You can edit your post as many times as you wish, but not your headline.

This relates to Pizzagate and our investigation here, because it's important that we don't lose info due to posts being deleted. Also, so that we're not losing great posts due to shill tactics on the 'New' section.

Hope this all helps, cheers and happy posting :)

Thanks to @V___Z for the inspiration for this post. Cheers man :)

privatepizza ago

Ah that's a pity, I hope you get back to posting. I know the rules can seem frustrating, but really they're okay when you know how, it's just a case of knowing how to format them. I think they're there so the verse doesn't get spammed. Hope to see your info :)

privatepizza ago

Good for you. Never give up. Leave the shills, ignore them unless you have energy to spend. Your work will speak for itself. God willing everyone sees this post about supporting the 'NEW' section. Rock on and don't ever stop ;)

privatepizza ago

Don't let your posts be deleted if they're good research dude, re-post, re-post, re-post while making sure you cover the rules. If you do they can't be deleted. You are valued, as is your research (and everyone's). Rock on.

garouwarrior ago

Then why do threads that are personal testimonies getting deleted then? Because they don't provide any links? Give me a break...

privatepizza ago

Yes, indeed, because they don't include links. Add a couple of links and your post has to stay. Weird rules but they've been made to make this place nice for us. Try it and see.

V____Z ago

You are just fantastic.

privatepizza ago

So are you ; ) Thanks.

privatepizza ago

I think it's because you have 3 upvoats and 3 downvoats (shills - see?). Your voat score is therefore zero. You need more upvoats. Here's one.

Or, do you know you have more upvoats?

SEE PEOPLE how the SHILLS are managing to hide important research????

md3inaustin ago

Great points & post! Thanks @privatepizza

privatepizza ago

Thank you! Glad it's of help :)

druhill007 ago

Great post pizza. NEW section is where it's at ✊

privatepizza ago

Cheers m'friend ! The NEW section is definitely where it's at !! :D

sensitive ago

@NotHereForPizza, this post is very valuable to the Pizzagate investigation and has the potential to bring it forward / on track again.

NotHereForPizza ago

I'm not denying that. You're dodging the argument.

This is meta discussion.

sensitive ago

Mods have a certain degree of interpretating the rules. In this case, the helpfulness to the investigation is greater than this concern, don't you agree?

NotHereForPizza ago

I agree that rules are rules and that those who don't follow the rules don't belong here.

In fact, I believe the mods should be held to a higher standard due to the abilities they have which shape the way we view this platform.

I don't like this diplomatic shit. You're dancing around this situation, and that's quite worrying to me.

Remove this post. It doesn't follow the rules. Aren't you a janitor?

privatepizza ago

I believe it follows the rules.

  • Rule 1 - ALL submissions should be directly related to Pizzagate

Covered in OP

  • Rule 2 - EVERY claim that is made as part of your post needs to be sourced

Covered in OP

  • Rule 3 - LINK posts (VIDEO, IMAGE, ARTICLE, etc.) all need to include an accurate description of the actual content.

Covered in OP

  • Rule 4 - META submissions and general discussion submissions without sources will be removed

Description of issue and example given in OP (link)

  • Rule 5 - Standalone MEMES will be removed.

This is not a meme

  • Rule 6 - NSFW submissions (gore, nudity, etc.) must be labeled as such

This is not NSFW

NotHereForPizza ago

This is very binary.

Let's read what wikipedia defines as meta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta

It typically has to do with self-reflection. You're showing us how to make good posts, you're not adding to the investigation from a research perspective. This post is discussing how to discuss the subject.

v/pizzagatewhatever was created for this reason

We can't encourage the mods to let this slide by letting it go ourselves.

privatepizza ago

Regardless what FuckwitAPedia says, (I can't believe you're citing this source?!), it is important to the investigation and covers all the rules. imo if you're for this investigation, you would see the benefit in the post for others, and not be pulling teeth about semantics.

NotHereForPizza ago

Haha you can keep repeating it if you want, and it still won't be true.

Wikipedia compiles different sources from all over the web. Anyone can edit a page, that's true. But, to say that the few things that people do change spoils all of the valuable information on the site is utterly irresponsible. Careful of the compositional fallacy here. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/composition/

Also, saying I'm either for you or against you because of this (which you claim is semantics, which I claim you're simply not following the rules) is entirely laughable.

I'm certain people won't fall for such basic attempts at persuasion.

privatepizza ago

Whatever dude, go talk semantics and Wikipedia somewhere else. imo if you are with the investigation here you'd see the value of this post. It's essence is to advise and help people posting important info here. If you can't see that, GTFO.

NotHereForPizza ago

Man, you suck at this.

You've never actually disagreed that this is meta discussion. Even the mod gave up on me, and is just going to ignore me until this blows over while these threads wasting everyone's time slide the real shit.

You're all so obvious.

privatepizza ago

Um... what are you actually getting at? That this is a meta discussion? Meta discussions don't include links as far as I can tell. That way, with links, one gets around the rules and the post has to stay up. That's a meta discussion per PG Voat. So I'm letting people know how to get around the rules. What's your beef and why are you so against this? I'm sorry, I don't understand your motives here.

NotHereForPizza ago

Basically, the fact that you're trying to circumvent the rules. I'm glad we finally understand each other.

privatepizza ago

Indeed, thanks for this. I'm attempting to help the people within our group, to enable their important posts to say up. Thanks.

NotHereForPizza ago

Actually, what you're doing is signaling so that people know how to circumvent the rules, as stated here:

That way, with links, one gets around the rules and the post has to stay up. That's a meta discussion per PG Voat. So I'm letting people know how to get around the rules.

@kingkongwaswrong @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @Millennial_Falcon @wecanhelp

One of you has to be reasonable here. Even if my reasoning is flawed, I'm just an annoying douche, or whatever else you might come up with, this guy literally admitted that he's trying to get around the rules. I'm still a little confident that you're not fucking with me. Anyone care to prove me wrong?

Crensch ago

Actually, what you're doing is signaling so that people know how to circumvent the rules, as stated here:

The people out to destroy this place are already well aware of how to have a post stay up here. It IS the people new here that are not following the rules.

The mods are not narrative police, the rules are there to help the users not have to trawl through every troll shitpost some idiot from sbbh wants to post here. Follow the rules, or get your post removed.

NotHereForPizza ago

I'm glad we see eye to eye on this.

So, you're going to remove the post, right?

Crensch ago

No. As an [O], I'm mostly here to take care of the mods acting up, and deal with some of the bigger issues. The mods [M] tend to be the keepers of the day-to-day here, as I do my best to keep my distance for myriad reasons.

As it stands, one former mod/janitor who left of her own accord, and one janitor found this to be OK, and I have no idea if it was discussed with other mods, or was a sticky at some point, either of which would indeed supersede the normal rules of the subverse.

NotHereForPizza ago

Yeah, let's read that one more time:

So I'm letting people know how to get around the rules. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1780973/8723870

This is literally a person saying they are telling other people how to get around the rules. You actually just responded with:

As an [O], I'm mostly here to take care of the mods acting up, https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1780973/8730387

@sensitive (janitor, not a mod) was the one to challenge this. If you're going to make the above statement, while ignoring the first quoted statement above, you're honestly challenging any shred of integrity I was under the impression you had prior to this.

I get it, this took a lot of acrobatics, but I hope everyone can see the point here.

Let me break it down for anyone willing to check this out: The entire time I've maintained the same, rather simple position: this post doesn't follow the rules. Before, I wanted to stick this discussion out because I knew after @sensitive came into the conversation, it was going down the shitter. @privatepizza doesn't defend him/herself. (S)he simply makes accusations like:

if you are with the investigation here you'd see the value of this post. It's essence is to advise and help people posting important info here.

Not only does this attack my character, it deflects the argument and leads us to a diluted conclusion which straw mans my argument. This person is literally saying, "if you're not with us you're against us" because my claim is that this topic is meta discussion, despite whether or not privatepizza or sensitive think this is a semantics argument, and therefore it's against the rules. If I'm in the wrong, and sensitive thinks it's okay to be lenient on certain aspects of certain rules, then we need to hammer down the definition of meta so this doesn't happen in the future.

Let me make this crystal clear: My position is that this is meta discussion, plain and simple. Their position has turned into a semantics discussion. This is very awkward, because semantics should be my argument. If they didn't agree it's meta, they shouldn't care about it's various uses or meanings, it shouldn't be vague like that. Their argument would be much stronger if it were along the lines of, "This isn't meta because of X." They wouldn't need to fall back on challenging the meaning of my language if it was clear enough that this argument didn't need to be had. Let's check out these definitions below:

----- http://www.fitz-claridge.com/?q=node/18 http://www.fitz-claridge.com/?q=node/18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-discussion http://www.liquisearch.com/meta-discussion/examples ----

Everyone deserves to be held to the same standards (even more so, the mods), especially when it comes to organization being almost necessary due to the sensitivity involved in the subject matter here. Don't play games with me, or the rest of the community. We don't deserve posts like this or @abortionburger resigning as a mod being on the front page. We don't deserve the luxury of her drama, and the audacity it takes for you or other members of the community to endorse this behavior is not only alarming, it's unacceptable and down right irresponsible. The thought that this sub/site might be compromised never bothered me before, but the fact that I'm seeing this shit for multiple days in a row now only because "omg my feelings!" is the rather disappointing. You're all better than this.

As an addendum:

Funny you covered your tracks:

one former mod/janitor who left of her own accord

And it just so happens to be the one that left.... the same day of this post.

or was a sticky at some point

Huh... that's weird. I seem to recall @abortionburger herself making this post. As you said, conveniently, that's precisely what she did. Isn't it fucking strange that the two cases you mentioned not only happened to be covered because she left, it all happened to occur on the same damn day?

Quit fucking with me, Crensch. I don't appreciate this. You're making me go out of my way now, and all that's going to do is make it a lot more difficult on both of us during my stay here. This shouldn't take so much discussion. This is very much black and white.

privatepizza ago

Dude, I don't need to defend myself to you. I suggest you get a life.

Crensch ago

Quit fucking with me, Crensch. I don't appreciate this. You're making me go out of my way now, and all that's going to do is make it a lot more difficult on both of us during my stay here.

Nothing about any of this will make anything more difficult for me.

All these conspiraconnections you're making have fuck-all to do with me. You might be right about things not connected to me, but all these supposed convenient coincidences only exist because they're fucking coincidences - not because I'm some mastermind pulling strings on you all.

In fact, maybe they are all about someone pulling the strings - whoever is paying you, or whoever is goading you into posting and having an issue in the first place at this very moment. Or maybe it's you who's the mastermind?

See how easy it is to play that game?

NotHereForPizza ago

Oh, I've been far too consistent for anything like that to give me any concern.

This is black and white in my eyes, and at some point it needs to be addressed. If you don't want to deal with it now, I can guarantee it will come up later.

Besides I can't hardly agree with that. Like I said:

Everyone deserves to be held to the same standards (even more so, the mods), especially when it comes to organization being almost necessary due to the sensitivity involved in the subject matter here. Don't play games with me, or the rest of the community. We don't deserve posts like this or @abortionburger resigning as a mod being on the front page. We don't deserve the luxury of her drama, and the audacity it takes for you or other members of the community to endorse this behavior is not only alarming, it's unacceptable and down right irresponsible. The thought that this sub/site might be compromised never bothered me before, but the fact that I'm seeing this shit for multiple days in a row now only because "omg my feelings!" is the rather disappointing. You're all better than this.

You're an owner of the sub, and the fact that you brush off a concern like this is troubling. As I said, if it was any other member of the community this wouldn't matter for shit.

Crensch ago

Oh, I've been far too consistent for anything like that to give me any concern.

I don't believe you, 1-month-old account.

I'm done entertaining your responses. I don't trust that you're not a shareblue shill, and you're wasting my time.

NotHereForPizza ago

That's cute. We're still not discussing whether or not this is against the rules? It's even personal now?

All you have to fall back on is the age of my account? You know, it speaks volumes that you and everyone else that I've interacted with has simply dodged the argument.

Like I said, I'm extremely confident this will come up again. Ignore it now if you want to, get all mad at me and downvote everything if you want to. I'm going to stay, and certainly going to keep doing what I've always done. Go through my account history if you want. I'm certain that you and anyone else reviewing my posts will come to the same conclusion, and I'm more than certain you won't link me to shareblue. Nice try though.

FckPizza3 ago

Thank you for posting this

privatepizza ago

Welcome. Happy posting.

UnicornsAndSparkles ago

Do you have any ideas on how we could start getting the huge amounts of evidence and coincidences organised? My worry is if we all started moving this over to something as big as wikipedia they could pull it like Reddit.

privatepizza ago

Yes I'm with you here and your concerns are mine and other PG Voaters too. I'm unsure we can have a 100% foolproof backup or organisation.

However, because of these concerns we have a 'research consolidation' project going on over at /pizzagatewhatever with a small team of us PG Voaters collating all research. We create threads of everything found and also add the articles, threads and images into private libraries. This way, if anything happens we've as much backup as possible.

It's a huge undertaking and we could really use some consolidators to help. Pick a thread / subject and collate all the info available, archive it, organise it and save it to a private library.

If you're up for lending a hand (we just work when we can - no pressure what-so-ever), just send me a pm. Anyone who's interested can do the same. Cheers :)

V____Z ago

I had no idea! I wonder about you adding a line at the bottom of your post letting us know about this? It's very important and I'm sure you'd get a lot of help, but not so sure people will see this comment.

privatepizza ago

Thanks V, for your support and idea! And yes, at first we were going to solicit help by posting on various threads, but in the end we were wary of trolls :) Don't know if it's too much paranoia or not, idk... and we were also getting into a groove with how it would work, and how to share things out, get a system going etc. Now we've got that down, so maybe we'll post a solicit or two now as it would be great to get some help ! If you fancy coming on board, ace! Cheers :)

V____Z ago

Absolutely - this is such a great idea. Don't hesitate to add mention of this to every pizzagate post you make, because I don't think you'll get away with posting here exclusively to call attn to this project. Might have to sneak it in ;)

privatepizza ago

Yea, that's why we had to make it over at /whatever, (and our new sub for the project /PizzagateProof). We'd planned to sneak some advertising in with some good threads. Thing is, this isn't really cool, so we'd have to make a plan so everyone in the team wasn't spamming at the same time lol.. we don't want to annoy. But yea, a mention in posts we post would be nice. Thanks for the idea!

privatepizza ago

Yes!!! The project is now at our new home of /PizzagateProof. Apologies! However we've yet to move some of our finished threads over there, so work is going on at PP, but consolidation threads still at /whatever until we move them over. Between homes ; ). Come on over to PP!

NotHereForPizza ago

So, this isn't meta discussion? @abortionburger flaired it?

What the hell is going on, mods?

privatepizza ago

I believe (not 100% mind you), that it's not a meta discussion when it includes a link. Maybe a mod can set this straight?

sensitive ago

I will set it straight with a reply.

privatepizza ago

Thanks @sensitive ! Much appreciated

freeagent37 ago

Fantastic! Truly need this help here, thank you again.

privatepizza ago

Excellent, glad it's of help. Thanks also for commenting! Comments on a new post makes sure it gains traction and more eyes on it. Cheers!

freeagent37 ago

Cheers! :-)

UnicornsAndSparkles ago

I didn't know this. Thank you.

privatepizza ago

Yea... I just found it out by trial and error. If your post gets deleted, for sure you haven't followed the above recipes, so if that happens, take a look and re-post it / edit it.

Also, yes, if you see a great post, a comment really helps when it's new. Now I have 4 upvoats - 0 downvoats on this post and a few comments, it's on the 'Hot' list already. It doesn't need much. Thanks for your comment :)

nnfx ago

Yep, thank you very much Privatepizza. It's really not too hard, to create a post that will be allowed to stay and I'd be more than happy, if I wouldn't have to remove any posts that actually link to some good info...

privatepizza ago

No worries, glad it's of help to posters, and for the mod-team. I think you get more hassle than you deserve, if only people would cover the rules it'll be easier across the board hopefully. Cheers for your comment :)

abortionburger ago

Great post @privatepizza. I'm gonna flair it IMPORTANT!

V____Z ago

As one of your last moves as a mod, I think this is a great one. Thanks for everything!

privatepizza ago

Hear hear ;)

privatepizza ago

Aw, thank you!!