Crensch, could you edit the body of this post with a summary of what the outcome of the discussion was? It would be helpful in responding to users who want to post on Las Vegas and Weinstein and don't understand why most posts on these subjects are being removed. Thanks!

I apologize if this has been mentioned already, but I wanted to get it in before you close this up. I recently had a post deleted by M_F citing Rule 1: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2128750

I messaged M_F two or three times asking for an explanation, considering my post touched on the Catholic Church covering up yet another serial molester, but got no response. Finally I messaged @vindicator, who told me they wouldn't have deleted my post had it been up to them.

While I understand that the Catholic church covering up pedophiles doesn't necessarily involve elites, considering how powerful the Vatican is (and how similar it is, legally speaking, to Washington DC & London), I think posts involving the Catholic church covering for pedophiles should fall under Rule 1. I've been working on another angle involving pedophilia coverups by the church for the last couple of weeks, but I'm hesitant to post anything here for fear it will get deleted.

I think it would help if the mods could agree on how to apply Rule 1 in general.

@Vindicator @kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion @Millennial_Falcon

I'm not seeing a lot of movement to change the definition here. I've seen some users agree with a tighter definition, then agree with a looser one. I'm not really sure where some of you stand atm, what argument you think was best, or what ideas were best.

I'm seeing a lot of "combine this with pedogate" which, as far as I know, is just generally about pedophiles wherever, whenever, however. I posit that doing so would simply erode this place into a free-for-all for shill sliding.

Despite 290 comments, there was surprisingly little about the actual rule. I'd wager a good 40% was attacking MF, 20% wanting to combine with pedogate, 10% wanting rule change, 10% wanting no rule change, and 20% ESOTERICshade wasting everyone's fucking time.

A lot of the issues lately have been the interpretation of "elites". I'm of the mind that the DC elites directly linked to Podesta is what it was referring to, not a mayor or state-level official.

Just kinda spit-wadding thoughts here to see what sticks. Happy to hear your thoughts on the subject.

I think a wider net when it comes to historical and parallel examples would be great, because there is so much history that provides context for pizzagate. I have been able to successfully post about that here many times, which I applaud as far as the mods allowing these discussions under the current rules. However I've also had some disagreements about the definition of pizzagate when it comes to ritual abuse in the past - specifically on what constitutes ritual abuse. I'm not sure how it would work best to widen rule one.

But I also think that it could be narrowed SLIGHTLY so that the sub is not overwhelmed with Awan posts that have nothing to do with child abuse - basically I'm saying that child abuse whether it be trafficking, MKUTLRA/Mind control experiments, ritual abuse, pedo rings, and related issues should be classed as fundamentally pizzagate because that's what was exposed last year - a combination of all of the above. I do not envy mods in trying to come up with a specific definition of that.

Notice I waited until near last. If you change the rule, you change the sub from focusing on the revelations of the WL email release subjects to a sub chasing the global elites (or however you want to word that) like nearly every other conspiracy web site on the net. The noise will be deafening to anyone "just hearing about" Pizzagate. On the plus side (at least for the latest batch of click-leeches), I'll be done monitoring the sub from then on.

Just make it so that in order to be a mod you have to have a full public profile of your verified identity viewable by anyone. If mods that are operating on any agenda, it would be apparent.

I hope the arts and entertainment industries will survive any rule changes, and still be discussed here.

Painting, sculpture, movies, music videos, literature, illustrations, bands, actors, artists, song lyrics, and a long list of related etc. AND, the people who create, perform, promote, sell, and buy these products. Some pizzagate-familiar specific examples: Heavy Breathing, CPP poster art, the Tony Podesta art collection, Kim Noble, Cory Feldman, Pegasus Museum.

Thanks for your efforts to make this a better place.

No.

no change to rule 1 please.

Its there for a reason. It works. If its not broke, dont fix it.

We need more protection from /x/-tier conspiratards. Every once in a while we get a fucking crazy who manages to get upvoted to the top, but his OP is flat-earther-tier, unintelligent, garbage that is totally unrelated to pizzagate. We get cultists, hyper-religious catladies, and UFOlogists all the fucking time now, and let's be real, here, there are only three reasons why:

1. The level of new evidence we get these days are a dripfeed that span weeks and months. People will make anything up for a good story to break the monotony, or as a 'spice' to make PG seem more 'interesting'.

2. Attention-whoring. Everyone wants their 15 minutes, and some of these fuckers are morally bankrupt enough to exploit trafficked children to get their lunatic soapbox.

3. Pizzagate is close enough to a "conspiracy theory", to attract a certain breed of mentally ill individual, and these people have found /v/pizzagate and are running amok.

I really think the mods have gone out for cigarettes, I can't even get a hold of Millenial Falcon anymore, and I see more and more of these threads every day.

Quality is dropping through the floor, and it seems like anything is acceptable here, these days. If I saw the ulrasonic nanite infection/Targeted Individual thread last year, it would have been downvoated to oblivion.

¿Habla espanol gringo? Puta!

Except I don't see @vindicator targeting Jesuit threads unless I missed something.

If a thread, about Jesuits or anything else, is full of stuff I know to be bullshit or a skewing of the truth, I definitely "target" it. You can ask DeathTooMasons. I'm sure he'll tell you all about it.

John Podesta is a Jesuit "priest" masquerading as a Catholic. He went to Georgetown University and got his Jesuit training. He does what Jesuits do. They torture our children.

ESOTERIC, I think you have a misunderstanding about Jesuit schools. Just because you graduate from one doesn't mean you are Jesuit or even Catholic. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of teachers in Jesuit colleges are Jesuits. "Becoming a Jesuit" is MUCH more difficult than simply getting a degree. It requires something like 12 years of seminary as well as taking several layers of vows, signing over all personal wealth to the order and other things far more onerous than someone as wealth and power hungry as John Podesta would ever subject himself to. I have a friend who thought he wanted to pursue this path, but couldn't hack it.

JP is no priest. He went to Georgetown to get a law degree. This is a narrative being pushed by shills who think Voaters are too stupid to know anything about Jesuits. I'm surprised you bought into it.

He does what Jesuits do. They torture our children.

Less than 2% of Catholic priests are part of the pedo abuse scandal. A fraction of those are Jesuit. Saying that all Jesuits torture children just makes this investigation look like a joke. It's equivalent to saying all Democrats torture kids, or all cops cover up for elite pedophiles. If this is the claim made by the video, I wouldn't need to watch the whole thing to know it needed a disinfo flair. Another clue is that the "It's the Jesuits" crew are the same accounts pushing a bunch of hokey, cross-pollinated mythological crap. Before that, they were pushing a Jewish conspiracy, as well as a bunch of scientifically impossible stuff about elites drinking blood laced with adrenaline to get high while retaining their youth. So...which is it? If any of these narratives had any substance, they wouldn't keep trying new ones!

Do you REALLY want to go there now? Think long and hard about what you just wrote, and then tell me if you want to go there.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

YOU WANT TO MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE? THIS IS YOUR CHANCE, NIGGER!

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

KEEP AT IT, YOU FUCKING SHILL. SHOW VOAT THAT YOU HAVE A REDPILL THEY DON"T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

Keep going. You know what to do.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

Ok. So another sect of religious nutcases diddled children.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

So Podesta and Soros made an outfit called "Catholics in Alliance" and tried (succeeded?) to subvert the Catholic church.

The fact that Podesta is Jesuit seems an irrelevant tangent. Do people of one denomination not change to another sometimes?

And the link you gave - the documentary - what years did this happen, and at what churches? Is this directly related to Podesta's "Catholics in Alliance" because of the dates of the abuse? Sounds like it's been happening since before that.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10549460

Waiting on that apology essay.

The entire video shows a person how Jesuits like John Podesta operate.

So I need to watch an hour and fifty minutes of a video to find this out?

Living people who were tortured are in it.

Living people who were gassed at Auschwitz are in videos, too. And that never happened.

Many witnesses are in it.

Same as above.

There is no "one point" that can be marked in the video because the entire video is full of it.

Sounds like bullshit.

I watched it. You didn't.

Irrelevant.

I'm not going to argue with you about it.

Because you suck at arguing, reasoning, and supporting your positions with anything but emotional bullshit.

I also will not insult you like you did me.

Only one of us wasn't deserving of an insult, so for once, you made the right choice.

If you have not watched the video and the survivor testimony then you just haven't watched it. I don't have anything else to say about it to you.

How about that apology you owe me?

Let's play a little game:

I'm going to make a claim like "All the evidence needed to imprison Podesta is in this video."

Then when you bitch about it not looking relevant and being a 10h video that you need to go through to make sure the claims about it are true, I'll say this:

"The entire video will walk a courtroom through the evidence that John Podesta fucks and kills children. Living people who were tortured are in it. Many witnesses are in it. There is no "one point" that can be marked in the video because the entire video is full of it. I watched it. You didn't. If you have not watched the video then you just haven't watched it. I don't have anything else to say about it to you."

The fact that we can't even post what WE think is relevant shows this site is controlled, and not by us. Purge the mods. Draw up our own rules. Vindicator and MF have long since been outted as damage control obstructionist. They must be the first to be swept out the door. This forum does not need push back. There is enough coming from the authorities and MSM.

MF and Vindicator constantly use this to delete threads they don't want people to see, and allow identical type threads in other cases. My posting of this documentary was deleted twice despite being about Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth and the Catholic church raping torturing and murdering Native peoples in Canada. This was an actual documentary, not just a news site. https://youtu.be/vL6ekLwB_h8YouTubeYouTube

Cases like Dutroux and Hampstead are allowed despite not being directly PG, but Canadain genocide is not. We need to get rid of rule #1. It is our forum. We need to get rid of obstructing pedo mods. We do not want them. They need to go. We should chose our own mods. And the mods we chose should go after known shills and purge them.

Want to see what evidence looks like?

https://voat.co/v/Shekelverse/2035040

You asked us to get examples from the modlog. I did it. I am not apologizing for a goddamn thing you asked us to do. Not happening.

I asked for VALID examples. You know, ones that WOULD ACTUALLY BE WORTH LOOKING AT AS VIOLATIONS BY A MOD.

And you presented absolute shit.

Also, shill, only the first 5 pings work in a comment.

This video shows how Jesuits work and these people are alive today and telling us how Jesuits tortured them as children.

Can you please link the video.

How about some fucking evidence?

The Jesuit organization, that is helping to destroy our country,

That I have never once heard of. Meaning you need to prove this shit a bit better than a bald assertion.

does not qualify as an abusive global organization under the definition of pizzagate that includes global abusive organizations, and my thinking that it does makes me a jewish shill.

If they're destroying everyone, then what does the deaths of children have to do with anything?

John Podesta went to Georgetown University and received Jesuit training. John Podesta is a Jesuit. This video shows how Jesuits work and these people are alive today and telling us how Jesuits tortured them as children.

Just Jesuits in general? Or Jesuits at Georgetown University?

You wanted us to get threads from the modlog. I did it. I found a video that shows how Jesuits (John Podesta's people) pretending to be Christians torture children.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT YOU ACTUALLY FOUND

A ONE HOUR, FORTY EIGHT MINUTE VIDEO and a SUBMISSION THAT SAYS PRECISELY DICK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THERE, AT WHAT TIMES, AND WITH WHAT SOURCES.

ALL of the submission post was NOTHING but ASSERTIONS with some hand-waving to something that, to confirm IT WAS EVEN IN THE LINK, someone would have to spend AN HOUR AND FORTY MINUTES OF THEIR FUCKING LIVES.

And that's just to confirm it's in the goddamn video, you shit-tier fucking mongrel.

That's not confirming that the writer/author wasn't pulling a 6 GORILLION bullshit stunt. I can find a lot of whiny-fuck people to tell me the holocaust happened - guess what? It didn't.

Look at that fucking submission.

LOOK AT IT, YOU FUCKING SHILL.

DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? NO MOD THAT WAS NOT ALREADY INTERESTED IN THIS SHIT WOULD SPEND AN HOUR AND oh, I'm sorry, FIFTY FUCKING MINUTES OF THEIR TIME DETERMINING IF THE CLAIMED ITEMS WERE IN THE VIDEO.

What, you think that every hour-and-a-half video just gets to claim whatever and stay up? Is that what you're trying to say here?

Now i'm a jewish shill. I won't get anymore as examples. You broke me from that.

You broke yourself. And you have two options going forward:

You can apologize to me, and every mod, publicly, for wasting our time with this kind of bullshit - OR - I will follow you and link you to this response until you write a 3,000 word essay on why you were wrong at literally every resolution of bringing this up as a valid post.

@kevdude

Literally... all of VOAT would be on board with highlighting Jesuits if you had a case to make against them.

I don't know shit about them. Put something in /v/whatever that is convincing.

I don't understand why the Jesuits that have infiltrated this country are not covered under the definition of pizzagate but if you say its not then I guess its not.

I guess we need to keep an eye on North Korea, too, since they want to kill us all. And blacks. And spics. And sandniggers. And Jews. And Gypsies.

What a fucking useless line of "inquiry".

All of Voat could be your stomping ground for races/groups that hate whites, but you want to put it here?

@kevdude

I don't agree but you have the dashboard buttons and I don't. You guys asked us to get stuff from the modlog and I complied.

And showed that you're AT BEST, unqualified to make an accusation against MF. I don't give you that benefit of the doubt though, so I'm going with what I originally thought of you, Jewish shill.

@Millennial_Falcon

Oh, you came to about the same conclusion I did just a few minutes ago.

I think we should go ahead and call this username what it most likely is, a Jewish shill.

This video is one of the most horrific eyewitness living victim stories of child torture and abuse that I have ever watched. It is beyond comprehension that humans can do this to each other. @Millennial_Falcon deleted this.

I provided the rules and definition of pizzagate below and I don't understand why he keeps deleting things like this.

Here is another one deleted today. The title says EXACTLY what the post is about. Deleted per Rule 3. Unfortunately the Catholic Church was infiltrated and is infested by Khazar Jesuits. Jesuits want to kill every race on earth that is not of Khazar blood or someone helping their cause. That includes white people too.

Distrubing documentary about the Catholic Church and the aboriginal genocide in Canada (pizzagate)

submitted 2.2 hours ago by [deleted]

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2139760

Millennial_Falcon removed 1.9 hours ago on 9/19/2017 7:46:15 PM

"@DeathTooMasons: Rule 3. title must show relevance to pizzagate"

From the definition of Pizzagate:

Relevant submissions would be any content that can be linked (by the OP in a sourced explanation) to organized human trafficking of children, the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of those children, and/or the systematic cover up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities.

The investigation initially focused on a group of businesses on Connecticut Avenue in Washington DC and their potential connection to a child trafficking ring. While this investigation began and centers around Comet Ping Pong, it involves multiple businesses and numerous connections around the globe.

Rule 3

3: Clarity: All titles must adequately describe post content and must establish direct relevance to pizzagate. EACH link in your post must include a description of content and how the link relates to the post (except when markup is used to embed links in the specific text they support).

@kevdude @vindicator @crensch @VictorSteinerDavion

Another issue that's become of concern is the following: "How should we deal with people using multiple accounts?"

This issue is of concern because this is a primary weapon used by shills. Two of our main shills use 3+ accounts (one of them uses 6+).

For this I have the following solution.

Only ONE account may be used per IP. Those found to be violation shall henceforth have all their extra accounts banned except the one with the LOWEST net SCP and CCP.

Before going further, I need to ask a question that is of major relevance to this anti shill defense. That way no innocent people get hit by this. This question is paramount to whether this proposistion is feasible or not.

"Can the mods see a user's IP?"

I call this proposistion the "Reset Bomb".

And how would you change the rules to reflect this?

Then how would any court of law actually move forward on this?

How would you convince the masses once they rise up that these are the targets?

PG was originally about Jailing pedo Bill, Podesta, Hill, etc.

Has that changed?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2130778/10540778

Not convinced this is an organized network just by the summary (and my parsing ability is admittedly poor atm for the full thing above).

What say you?

That need to be directly linked before being posted, currently.

Not just "oh, that church over there did some shit to kids - PIZZAGATE".

I'm not opposed to it. Simply want a valid impetus to do so.

@Crensch I came here to read Jane Webb's legal posts regarding the Hampstead Child abuse case which ties into Haiti scandal and unfortunately one of your mods deleted them, which does not look very professional, when they included replies from journalists. How do you plead?

I think your thoughts get to the crux of the issues and also distill much of mine as well.

More wording, or too many qualifiers enable many people to use sophistry to continue to divert the energy of this community away from the investigation itself.

"Pizzagate" the originating core story that started this investigation is really just a small off shoot organisation of the global informal groups that all protect and enable each other.
Finding a way to re-focus the community back to the core of the investigation and ultimately exposing the people who do these things in a way that nobody in the public could deny is something I want us all to get back to.

Do we agree that the currently-written definitions would result in the removal of such a thing?

I'm happy to change the rule if that's what the subverse wants, but I'd agree with the removal given the current wording.

Look at the sidebar to the right. Click on the "definition of Pizzagate" link.

Now stop sensationalizing bullshit. Just a few more days and maybe posts like this will be defined into being left alone here.

@independenceday I would agree with the removal with the current ruleset.

@Millennial_Falcon @kevdude

@Crensch

Rule 1 isn't the real issue. I'm sure it could use some improvement, but the real issue is the inconsistent manner in which the rules are applied by the mods. You can argue it's the wording/interpretation, but it seems to me, that most of the sub thinks it's @Millennial_Falcon.

You have a Mother_Fucker problem, not a rules problem.

This investigation has grown in scale from what it was in the beginning. This epidemic of child abuse is a much wider net of corruption then first was realized.

So i agree the rule/rules must also change to fit the investigation.

EVERY POST ABOUT SATANISM SHOULD BE ALLOWED, FUCK THIS RULE #1 CRAP! WE ALL KNOW SATANISM KILLS KIDS!

My question regarding rule one regards trying to differentiate pizzagate from pedogate.

As far as I'm concerned, they're the same thing. Pizzagate evolved into Pedogate, but we keep Pizzagate in honor of where it all began.

YUP! Like this one just now from "MF" Submission /v/pizzagate/2134867 deleted

Your submission /v/pizzagate/2134867 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 9/17/2017 2:20:22 PM

Reason given: @independenceday: Rule 1. Original Submission Catholic Church Explains the bodies of nearly 800 children found in a SEPTIC TANK behind a former Mother and Baby home.

PizzaGate related in that it involves BABIES being DUMPED in a SEPTIC TANK as opposed to being given a proper Christian burial...Is this how the CATHOLIC CHURCH treats innocent souls born into captivity? 800 babies DIE in 35 years? and thrown away like TRASH! WTF? What REALLY happened to those innocent babies?

https://www.inquisitr.com/1281922/catholic-church-explains-the-bodies-of-nearly-800-children-found-in-septic-tank-behind-a-former-mother-and-baby-home/

Update March 5, 2017: After the story first broke in 2014, many reports, including this report and two stories two stories published by The Washington Post claimed that the bodies of 800 babies had been discovered in a septic tank, however at that time, the number of bodies found had no actual count, The Washington Post reported. According to The Daily Mail, a statement issued March 3, 2017 from the Mother and Baby Homes Commission said that “significant quantities of human remains have been discovered in at least 17 of the 20 underground chambers which were examined earlier this year.” Almost 800 children had died there between 1925 and 1961, according to records, but there was only one burial record for just one child.

Additionally, the earlier version of this article from 2014 has been corrected to omit probable inaccuracies from an invalid source. Catholic Church took 60,000 babies for adoption in the 1950s and 1960s, Many sent to America in return for large payments disguised as 'donations' Martin wrote about one case in his book Philomena, later made into a film News of the mass graves at Tuam finally made the newspapers last week Religious community's site had primitive conditions with babies neglected Infection and disease ran unchecked; measles and dysentery killed hundreds Two locals, Catherine Corless and Teresa Kelly, set out to uncover the truth Catherine calculated nearly 800 babies were buried beneath the estate

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651484/I-thought-Id-seen-Philomena-And-I-nuns-secret-grave-800-babies-By-Martin-Sixsmith-exposed-Sisters-sold-children-fallen-girls.html

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference This site is an alphabet agency cut-out. And as soon as a poster gets really close to truth....zap...post deleted. This exercise is a total waste of time. It will go nowhere fast.

I agree that the less mod interpretation the better -- such as who is and who isn't "elite". We are investigating the way the deep state may be using child rape to manipulate and control people in power and enrich those who pull the strings. Focusing on this aspect, rather than whether the subject of a given thread qualifies as "elite" would be far more productive, in my opinion.

1: Relevance: Posts must be directly relevant to investigation of Pizzagate: the corruption of democratic governance through the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of children, child trafficking, child porn, the cover-up of these activities and the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities. See definition of Pizzagate and examples of relevant posts.

This thread is too damn long. Just relax the damn moderation so people can post related shit without getting instantly deleted by faggots. Codify that into fancy language you fucks.

Likely. Threads "vanish" but the faggot wasn't smart enough to start archiving them? Right.

They are barely covering it at the level it needs to be covered...

Just because they graze the surface of the grass, doesn't remove the possibility of skeletons beneath it. Don't lose faith just yet...

But, to your point, we'll keep it off of PG.

Look, I am being sincere here...not trying to be argumentative. I simply want someone to keep a close eye on things. It may seem like I am just being paranoid, but trust me, many great threads have simply vanished. Now I am not pointing fingers, but I find it strange that threads concerning CPP and JA are gone. Were some of them too close to the truth, or contained a valuable avenue to explore? If such is the case, is it possible for a non Voat entity to delete threads?

Incredible you of all people are calling me a shill. SMH. Follow me here sunshine...certain threads about CPP and/or JA have simply vanished. A bit hard to prove it when the threads are not there. I am wondering why you are doubting it so adamantly...hmmmmmm.

You amuse me. Whether you choose to believe it or not, threads have been completely erased. Now go stick your head in the sand and defend your buddies.

If a mod suspects a shill post but it's not obviously a shill post, I think they should not delete it. Instead, they should have the option to tag it with a "suspected shill" flag. This would alert Voat users, who then would make up their own minds about the quality of the post and whether to pursue any research angles it might suggest.

The information and even theories about pizzagate that have been brought forth need to be ongoing and protected. For example, I have been following developments and findings on CPP and Alefantis since last October or whenever it initially became a blip on the radar. I have noticed that some very good, relevant threads about CPP and Alefantis have vanished. I can't find them anywhere. I am not trying to hijack this thread, but you guys, we have to keep this up and running, AND find the mods or whomever that seem to delete solid research and sound theories on CPP and Alefantis and fire them. Why are some people on here protecting CPP and Alefantis? We know the answer. Thanks for reading my post.

If it's obvious that it's PG related in the title, but you don't specify why it's related , it should be removed ? OK

Hmmmm, I've been thinking about this. Rule 1 was fine, back when it was written. But* I find it very hard to believe that there is a clear separation from the multitude of leaks that have occurred, and will continue to occur.

• PG is/was a subset of data within the context of the larger Podesta leak.
• Since this has broken, multiple, significant events have occurred in light of other leaks (namely Russia)
• Now we've got Awan/DNC on meltdown alert

I know that we do not have "smoking gun" evidence of a direct connection between these two leaks - but I think that ignoring topics such as the Awan's, the DNC, Seth Rich, Shawn Lucas, the Russian Investigation, etc... will only serve to weaken the PG community.

If we can prove that any significant elements of the enemies' narrative is totally fictitious. That leads us down a collective rabbit hole of what else they may be lying about/covering up.

Disproving Russia/embracing Assange/taking down Awan/DWS... these are all methods of potentially discovering far more information specific to Pizzagate.

Right now? Aside from the nearly continuous stream of child-abuse related arrests (with 0 ability to link them), the intel is light on PG. We're focused on analyzing historic cases right now.

We need more flexibility to open other channels that could lead to more PG related leaks/info/intel.

Most recent example of how this could all apply?

• Awan may* be subject to investigation outside of bank fraud with the recent developments around the laptop, server, plea deal
• Awan's setup was linked to CA Attorney General Xavier Becerra
• Raymond Liddy was charged on child porn, as the deputy AG in CA: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-prosecutor/california-deputy-attorney-general-charged-with-child-porn-idUSKBN1AC2BH

Recommended Modification to Rule 1:

1: Relevance: Posts must be directly relevant to investigation of Pizzagate: the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of children by elites, child trafficking organized by elites, and/or cover-up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities. As well as any evidence/crimes that could lead to additional information pertaining to anyone implicated in Pizzagate involvement. See definition of Pizzagate and examples of relevant posts.

Swapping elites for "Those with authority and power, meaning political, judicial, religious or corporate"

A problem with this language is that it implicitly endorses the role of "the authorities" as being legitimate. Instead, I'd suggest "those with apparent power with the political, judicial, religious or corporate heirarchy".

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission what about this shit. does anybody even care that mf goes through the posts on an hourly basis an literally guts them to pieces so that a lot of relevant information is left in the deleted submissions ? he/she sites rule 3 when it deletes me. i dont know wtf i do wrong but i'm not posting anymore until that dickhead is gone.

I think of "Pizzagate" is an adjective at this point. If you think of it as an adjective, it's about the broader agenda of the elites as it relates to the relevant people and information within the investigation.

I agree with all that want to change rule #1 when it's blatantly obvious it's pizza gate related but it gets deleted by MF before you can get a chance to post the obvious relation !

I told you it would be closed in a month.

I'm not often wrong. @millennial_falcon ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I can't stand all this elites stuff. Posts should be relevant to child sex abuse/ enabling child sex abuse/child murder/organ harvesting/sketchy organizations/sketchy people .The investigation of the smaller, will lead to mid,to big, to elite. There are obviously many layers of operation here. To me it involves peeling off the layers. It seems we're getting closer to a big breakthrough, but posts can't be getting deleted for stupid reasons. Obviously anything that doesn't touch these subjects should be deleted.

I think the community should decide whether it wants to continue further research (finding and pointing out new trees when everyone already sees the forest), or discussing ways to expose the forest to the masses (focus on exposure/redpilling/dissemination)

Not sure why we can't use the KISS method with the forum. Keep it simple stupid

Rule 1): : Relevance: Posts must be directly relevant to investigation of abuse of children

Period, end of story.

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I concur with @VictorSteinerDavion’s comment that use of the word “elites” is a problem. He suggests instead “those with authority and power, meaning; political, judicial, religious or corporate.”

That would be a start, but the entertainment/broadcast industry would need to be added. But even with that, people like James Alefantis and Jorge Puello would not be included. Add the hospitality industry, and you pick up Alefantis but still exclude Puello. To include him, you'd need to add child help organizations. And then there's the medical industry, fraternal organizations, the military, intelligence, the transportation industry, and on and on.

The point is, whenever you start listing, you're bound to miss something and you complicate the mods' job, not to mention limiting the scope of the research.

We need to face the reality that almost every facet of society today has the potential to harbor abusers because of the extreme infiltration that has taken place.

I'm in favor of combining Pizzagate and P Whatever because the division between them hampers research. It’s true that small-town pedo ring members aren't the ones in charge at the top, but they might be directed by string-pullers higher up, whether they are aware of being directed or not. A huge element of this is the possibility that some of the perps are mind-controlled patsies carrying out the dictates of an "invisible" hierachy.

Also, an abuser who has been caught victimizing his or her own child or a neighbor kid cannot realistically be deemed by us not to be involved in an organized ring. The fact that we don’t know about it yet doesn’t mean it’s not happening. We must remain open to the possibility if we’re serious about the research.

I think it's likely that many people who visit Pizzagate don't routinely visit P Whatever, and so connections that might have been useful are never made.

In my opinion, mods should not be censoring/deleting anything except obvious shillage and things that have nothing even tangentially to do with abuse or murder of children.

My proposal for the wording of Rule #1:

Relevance: The goal of Pizzagate research is to identify and expose the specific persons and organizations who are directly responsible at the highest levels for ordering and/or perpetrating the abuse and/or murder of children in the U.S. and globally.

Posts must be relevant to the goal of Pizzagate research and may include sourced information about conditions and circumstances that enable or have the potential to enable abuse as well as sourced information about perpetrators who are or have the potential to be abusing at the direction of others.

[edited for clarity]

The Pizzagate definition and examples of relevant posts would need to be modified.

Btw, why does this need to be a sticky for a week? If it is of interest, won't it stay at the top of the "hot" column? I question the need to take down the executive summary 1) over the weekend when more lay people might be browsing the internet and 2) for an entire week. Very much does the cause a disservice.

I'd like to know why the moderators have removed my posts about confirmed child pedophile rings, an NBA mascot that is a pedophile symbol, and footage of a Satanic orgy in progress?

Thoughts on requiring all non embedded links (specifically YT and Vimeo) to have a a 1 or 2 sentence description on all OPs? This could cut down on the shillbots whacko posts.

My issue is with the definition of the word "elites".

The word has different connotations in different regions, and as such different readers have different ideas about who the word refers to.

Swapping elites for "Those with authority and power, meaning political, judicial, religious or corporate"

Semantically it means the same thing, but any connotations and assumptions are removed by the expanded sentence.

For many the word elites focuses attention on the visible people at the top of the pile and omits the non-visible people that support actively them but few people know about.

For example a possible draft could be:

1: Relevance: Posts must be directly relevant to investigation of the organised and systemic sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of children by those with authority and power, meaning; political, judicial, religious or corporate.
Topics in focus are: child trafficking, systemic & ritualised abuse of children, and/or cover-up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities.
See definition of Pizzagate and examples of relevant posts.

It is a bit overly broad in this first rough attempt, maybe some word-smith can find a way to tighten it up.
The re-wording is intended to avoid the flood of posts about singular individuals who do these things and force a focus on systematised groups that do these things and use their positions in government, churches and big corporations to hide the activity.
By going for the organised abuse the singular individuals will be exposed anyway, but the applied effort of the community has a greater effect.

This is pretty much the same thing as the definition in the sidebar rules, but maybe it's enough of a change to move past this issue without opening the barn door to disruptors and wagon hopping agenda pushers.

Just spitballing here but Lets create an alt focused subverse "unnatural sex" or "tptb pedophilia and child sacrifice."