Before responding, take a moment to learn the history of the PG subverse here.
Once you've done that, understand that giving mods the ability to moderate based on their knowledge of the narrative invites mods that will steer the narrative using their mod tools.
You'll get mods that allow this:
The Rule 1 problem is the biggest problem in the subverse in my opinion. Tons of quality material like children being given hormone blockers at age 3, Planned Parenthood misleading children to believe that a person is not male/female at birth using the word "gender", organ harvesting, etc...
... and delete real PG leads.
The original idea of this subverse was to have a running ARCHIVE of everything, because no other place seemed to be safe to do so. Posts being constant links and re-links to known solid direct connections to PG with a new connection highlighted for others to look at and follow. After a while, parts of that should have gone into this sticky, and would be considered more or less canon for future leads.
The original idea of the RULES of this subverse was to keep everything in a very structured and easily-parsed format, allowing the mods to simply clean up the stuff that wasn't formatted properly, and didn't pass the direct-link muster. This would prevent the mods from pushing their own narrative, and allow them to keep the place clean enough so that both the new and the veteran could pick up the torch with relative ease.
Now to the discussion of the rule, and the possible changing of this entire subverse.
If you want a modification of any part of rule 1, state clearly the exact part(s) and justify your position.
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Crensch ago
Do we agree that the currently-written definitions would result in the removal of such a thing?
I'm happy to change the rule if that's what the subverse wants, but I'd agree with the removal given the current wording.
Vindicator ago
Honestly, Crensch, I don't see what rule it violates. The Amalek alts have been spamming Christ Church Hampstead stuff all day long, which is probably why MF deleted these and banned several alts (he cited "spamalek" as the reason). But the only rule I could see it breaking is Rule 2 if the "whatdotheyknow.com" site didn't provide links to the woman's correspondence, but it appears they did: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/jane_webb_3. She made the requests from the site. This is the stuff the Amalek alts have been spamming all day. I did not remove most of it, because I didn't see what rule it violated.
Crensch ago
Per the sidebar definition clarification of rule 1:
Current Definition of "Pizzagate"
"Pizzagate" refers to the independent investigation of pedophilia and child trafficking by the certain members of the global elite. The leaked John Podesta Emails hint at deeply entrenched and protected pedophile networks operating with impunity at the top levels of government and politics in and through Washington, DC and the world at large. The investigation initially focused on a group of businesses on Connecticut Avenue in Washington DC and their potential connection to a child trafficking ring. While this investigation began and centers around Comet Ping Pong, it involves multiple businesses and numerous connections around the globe. The name pizzagate is simply an easy to remember convenience, referring to what has been called "Pedocracy" which is the suspected, likely informal, association of elite individuals that use pedophilia to organize, manage and discipline their efforts to dominate or disproportionately influence outcomes in matters of interest. That includes government as well as politics -- executive, legislative, judicial, lobbying, military, intelligence -- as well as media, business, finance, law, medicine, accounting, technology, academia, think tanks, philanthropy, endowments, etc.
Relevant submissions would be any content that can be linked (by the OP in a sourced explanation) to organized human trafficking of children, the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of those children, and/or the systematic cover up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities.
Relevant areas of research may include but are not limited to:
Vindicator ago
The Christ Church Hampstead claims are covered by the current definition of PG:
Crensch ago
To wit:
If some RC church in Bogota is found to have dispensed children into its septic tank, but no direct connection to anyone or anything is made, is that immediately PG material?
Vindicator ago
I would say yes. It would be hard to deny that there is a pattern of corruption involving abuse of kids in the Catholic Church -- worldwide. Who's to say the deep state didn't instigate it in order to control bishops, whose flock constitutes a gigantic voting block in many countries around the world, and whose doctrine advocates numerous things that undermine state involvement in the family, such as its teachings against divorce, contraception, abortion and euthanasia. Documenting the degree of corruption and where it occurs would be vital to understanding the pattern.
Crensch ago
So patterns over the direct link style rigor we've needed up to now?
Vindicator ago
Ideally, a pattern should be demonstrated with multiple direct links. We need to spell that out in the rules, but allow the posts IMO. Right now, what is happening is many legit users who follow this stuff closely see those patterns and see posts that fit them regularly deleted with little explanation. If you look in modmail currently, you will see numerous unanswered queries that demonstrate this.
Edit: I do not support abandoning the direct link style rigor. It's absolutely necessary.
Crensch ago
Given this, I'm wondering if we've been talking past each other somewhat here.
I've always told posters/mods that I'd love for OP to come back with direct links, and have more or less seen in this thread what appears to be people wanting to relax those links.
Ideally, would the valid links not be in the rules/sticky, and just build on each other in each post?
Something like this:
Until the sticky gets updated to include X Y and Z?
Literally every post. Connect the dots so that anyone can pick up at any time and not need to have stared at the patterns like on oldschool 4chan?
That was kinda the idea from the beginning here to allow this to be both archival and forward-moving.
Vindicator ago
This is an interesting approach. First I've really heard it articulated as how we are supposed to be doing things, though. LoL. No one trained me to mod with this approach in mind, and I haven't been teaching users to submit this way. What I learned was "mods don't curate content". If the premise of a connection is clearly articulated and supporting links are provided, leave it up and let the downvotes decide.
We could switch to the sticky-based approach, but there are a couple of problems. First, who controls the sticky? That's MF. Unless he is willing to edit the sticky and add new material people think is relevant -- like the Awan investigation for example -- we are no better off than we are today.
It also reinforces the thing people are most frustrated about: they can't contibute because the conversation is being controlled by one person with a narrow point of view. This happening on every other forum is exactly what has brought most PG researchers here in the first place.
Crensch ago
Given what I've seen, there's not a lot to recommend a rule change at this point. I'm still slogging through all this shit, and if I could delete ESOTERICshade's comments to make it easier to parse, I would.
That user MIGHT have valid points here and there, but far too much of what he says is complete horseshit.
Any relaxing of the rules seems to be what the shilly commenters want, and some few that don't appear shilly don't want any changes. That's just my take so far. Happy to be convinced otherwise.
I'm responding to you here because if any change was made, it could be along the lines of what I was discussing about a running archive.
Like I said, anyone can take up that torch as long as they keep up with it - a user-crowdsourced archive.
Crensch ago
Well, it's not like someone couldn't copy his sticky, and add in stuff that the community agrees has been directly linked. If that sticky needs to change hands, that's fine. It was mine at one point.
Just archive that shit and look for fucky stuff from whomever is hosting it at the time now and then.