I'll be leaving the info/disinfo argument alone for the time being, until I have a better grasp of the facts.
And I'll no longer entertain poorly sourced or formatted complaints/accusations against narratives or other users. While neither side was entirely wrong, neither side appears to be entirely correct, either.
Thank you for your time and effort up to this point, and apologies for my lack of understanding of all the nuances going on here.
Jimipickle ago
Godsangell has been through hell on here. This consciousness needs to spread more. Peace
Qdini ago
Clearly you haven't been called names by GodsAngell like Pedophile and a Satanist like I have.
Dontneedthepts ago
Please...emotional heresay posting without any backup references is liberal shillery that I no longer subscribe to. I don’t know any of ya, and I saw the original post. The hive mind ie constructive criticism is essential here- we really need smart, logical people to fact check and call out bs. It’s literally the difference between a time zone error and a conspiracy theory. If I post bullshit, I would expect to be called out and honestly my millennial adult spawn has got me used to “having references” before I speak. Emotional shilling is just that, emotional shilling. I can go back to my liberal frandz fa all of that.
Qdini ago
Exactly. Well said @Dontneedthepts
PacaGoat ago
Always remember the words to the song. He aint heavy he's my brother.
MAGA
WWG1WGA.
1Paydaddy ago
Trying to find the truth here. Don't let them divide us. We all have our own way of disseminating information. Goats love to butt heads. Remember why we are here.
Qdini ago
"Them" are the conspiracy theorists that are being called out.
Busangirl19 ago
Wwg1wga, if their not against us, they are for us♡
Qdini ago
We should all be against false conspiracies
moderator99 ago
Haven't got a clue what this is about. Probably not supposed to.
Smells_Like_Tacos ago
Fuck niggers
BadPenny ago
Complete waste of time and energy. All of it. Grow the fuck up. ALL of your GA clique shit is just that SHIT.
Qdini ago
We need better ground rules. We aren't getting it.
QJFKjr2024 ago
For the most part I like Godsangel's posts but some times she does jump the gun.
But we are all adults here. If we can't discern what is info and what is disinformation then maybe you should go somewhere else.
I take what I like from her posts and leave what I don't. I've never down voted anyone but sometimes I won't up vote her.
No reason to exile or restrict her.
As for for aqusations against Qdini, I think she should post proof or publicly apologize.
Qdini ago
Unfortunately not happening. But I found one of the pieces of evidence she used: She claimed that Bill Barr was at Assange's arrest in London. The video doesn't look like him and I told her so. No one else was asked to cross verify:
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3157067
Southbound_truckin ago
There isn't one person posting here who hasn't made a mistake.
Remember, "he who hasn't sinned throw the first rock"
Many of us read things, or hear things, and want to share it as quickly as possible, in case something can be averted, or whatever.
God'sAngel has posted good things, and I've commented occasionally, and has posted some things maybe too hastily.
Every one of you, including the moderators have done the same damn thing.
Look in the goddamn mirror.
If you don't like it, down vote it, and move on.
God'sAngel is trying. So are you.
Hate to say it, but this all sounds like a bunch of kindergarten kids in a sandbox.
Qdini ago
We aren't talking about one mistake and we're talking about a pattern of behavior.
GodsAngell ago
Amen.
JohnQ-Arkenstone ago
Excellent comment.
JohnQ-Arkenstone ago
I agree, stop the infighting and move on. Let the goats decide with their votes. This bovine excrement just helps the Deep State divide us.
Qdini ago
Clearly you've never been called a Pedo or a Satanist by GodsAngell.
That behavior needs to stop.
SurfinMindWaves ago
All across voat people are called names, accused of being liars, sent unsolicited dick pics, threatened, whatever. This is the price you pay for hanging out on a free speech site. Put on your big boy pants and IGNORE them.
JohnQ-Arkenstone ago
My dear Qdini, I have always enjoyed your posts as well as many others on Great Awakening but I don't agree with the name calling between goats on both sides of an issue, it is childish and accomplishes nothing. Most of all I will not let emotions get the best of me by downvoating goats that I don't agree with, for that matter I have never downvoted anyone. If I don't agree with a post I may make a comment then just move on or ignore it completely, but if I see a good comment I usually make a comment myself and always give them a well deserved upvote. After this controversy, I believe GodsAngel will try to avoid this from happening again. Its a lesson learned on all sides, for all of us, and as @Southbound_truckin said, "Hate to say it, but this all sounds like a bunch of kindergarten kids in a sandbox." That's just what the DS wants, the goats to move to other pastures.
As for now we need to get the tempers down and get back to sharing new DS and Q things and some great intellectual discourse. Looking forward to more of your digs, comments and posts. Best wishes.
CheeseboogerHimself ago
gotdamn yo uare a fucking dipshit!! ah ah ah @kevdude
SK63 ago
None of us really know all the moves, countermoves and players on the playing field. So whenever I see something posted here that assumes things as absolute fact or breaking or whatever, I know it's very likely unproven and worthy of my own discernment. We would all be wise to do the same in such a fluid situation where we are all pawns - necessary pawns, to be sure, but still just foot soldiers.
GodsAngell ago
Thank-you Crensch.
And I want to thank all the Voat Users who sent me private messages of encouragement as well!
DawnPendraig ago
You should also thank those who gave you constructive criticism and perhaps heed it now and then.
We all make mistakes, I have Lord knows. Just own them and don't become belligerent when someone disagrees unless they ars first. And don't ninja edit ans pretend you never had something wrong either.
Be honest please. That's what we ask. Don't spam either. If people reject your post so be it.
GodsAngell ago
But its ok for Qdini and DickHead to spam all my posts, is that right?
DawnPendraig ago
Commenting in disagreement isn't spamming. I haven't seen anything remotely like spam against you in a long time.
There was a guy several months ago and I called him out too. He wouldn't respond to actual post but copy and paste his rant against you kvee and over.
I'm sick of it all really. Have some respect for the rest of the people here.
Qdini ago
Yes, a great deal of us are tired of it -- and that's why we gave the input.
We took a risk and posted it publicly because we were asked to. It should have been done more quietly. I don't think the intention was to harm anyone -- but the result is we feel duped because nothing changes. And the intention was not to hurt GodsAngell either, just have better ground rules. Now everyone is divided and becomes a target of all the shills, and that includes the army that follows GodsAngell.
insanitea ago
He wasn't spamming shit. You were though.
MolochHunter ago
GA am I to take it that -whatever the sins of others - you refuse to own up for ninja editing ?
your integrity is paper thin as it is
OWN
YOUR
SHIT
Qdini ago
Seriously? It took you all of a hour to start up again?
Qdini ago
What information? Please share it.
DickTick ago
One last thing.
Since I know these people pretty damn well at this point, I'm quite sure the whole "ganging up on her" "shills" "attacking her" narrative is being pushed pretty hard..
So it should be noted that out of my almost one year of bitching I have never once asked for her to be banned. I have never once asked for her to be suspended. I have never once asked for a post of hers to be deleted. I have never once asked for a comment of hers to be deleted. I have never once asked a mod to take any action against her besides simply condemning her bullshittery
I have, however, giving her praised whenever she does well. I have told her numerous times that I think there is great potential in her. I have begged her hundreds of times to simply slow down and either deliver information as an opinion / speculation or wait for it to be actually proven true before stating it is confirmed.
Those are some awfully weird things for a person to do if they're only trying to get her "banned or silenced". Once again, the beauty of it is, I don't have to prove any of that because all of the proof is sitting right there in our accounts.
DawnPendraig ago
Same here
Qdini ago
Same here too.
MolochHunter ago
I think perhaps we moderators could be more consistent with flairing GA posts
we have the Possible Disinformation flair and I'll go and create a new Unsubstantiated flair
other users - without being pains in the ass about it you are welcome to ping us into a post with a request / recommendation to flair
Crensch ago
Maybe so.
I think I've decided that I need to stay out of this kind of thing entirely - if I were to get involved in fact-checking, the morale and active population here would drop significantly. My standards for evidence... yeah, just... bad idea.
Help keep me on this path, would you? That goes for everyone reading this, but specifically you, MH. Thanks in advance, bud.
MolochHunter ago
ok I'll start now
GTFOuttahere!!!
Qdini ago
Great idea!
tradstew ago
It takes a true patriot to make a statement as this. Much appreciated.
Bolux ago
Is this VOAT or general fucking hospital. What happened to Fartnigger.
greatheart ago
This is great. it's just like a real family. For the most part we are in this together. Just like a real family, we have our little struggles. We may fight over stupid stuff but we stand firm with our core belief. Sure people try to slip in some nonsense but we can see through that.
Clowns are going to do what clowns do. When that happens I would like to encourage everyone to see that as an opportunity to get emotion under control and focus on logic.
Let us determine to use their attacks to make ourselves dig deeper. Their strength is emotion. Our strength is Truth and logic. If we stick to our strength we automatically win
DickTick ago
But hey, if we want to let this place, one of the last good holdouts where at least a decent portion of our members aren't actually insane, turn into a complete shitstorm of pure speculation delivered as absolute fact with 0 real sources or proof...
Then by all means, I suppose.
amarQ144 ago
I'm not sure I'm a member...never got the card. That said, you contradict yourself from one comment to the next. You can up vote, you can down vote...and you can even block her if you can't find the mental fortitude to not be compelled to read everything she posts, or to have to fact check it. As far as any claim to be defending the other retards here who lack discernment,go fuck yourself...we don't need defending!
Qdini ago
Really? That's how you behave? You sound like GodsAngell.
amarQ144 ago
It's the whole "free speech" thing, ya kno? It sounds good, but never takes long til some ass hat pops off with some stupid shit and yer panties are all back in a wad!
Qdini ago
Free speech is one thing, keep it civil at least.
amarQ144 ago
Ditto that. The mods here really need to evaluate these posts and maybe give them a civility as well as a credibility score. YO MODS...WHERE YAT?
BadPenny ago
It isn't free speech when you tell people what to say or believe. Stop it.
Crensch ago
You've all done fine up to this point. If her work is real, great. If not, that sucks.
Not saying nothing will be done ever, but I am saying my involvement is premature.
grace8 ago
I'm confused. Your title says there is more to this than u thought. What else? Did I miss something? Why do the mods always back off on u/ga?
Last I heard was the comment from QRV saying this person had been an anti Trumper shill who quickly earned a ban on QRV and then came to GA and was suddenly pro trump and posting disinfo, incendiary posts and basically controlled op. They use alt accounts like a shill, attack when corrected like a shill.
Simple to confirm this QRV report by looking at early posting. Conversion from hating Trump and Q doesn't happen overnight. I was letting this lie, but as a result of your post this new information came out from QRV that makes it seem like she is not just a problem but intentionally manipulating users here. For months it was damaging our credibility with false hope through false claims of its happening every 2 weeks long after most of us had learned the lesson not to date fag. She has posted more than once that Trump has gone over to the dark side and cant be trusted anymore, and posted inciting people to riot.
She (I have a hard time believing this is a woman!) sour most successful shill and should be ignored. If using alts, attacking anyone who disagrees doesn't tell us that, the quick big upvotes should. How many people has she driven away through false hope being proved false over and over again. We all know how demoralizing that is.
Qdini ago
Here's one of the examples GodsAngell cc'd me on that the Mod was duped by:
She claimed that Bill Barr was at Assange's arrest in London. The video doesn't look like him and I told her so. The mod took it at face value. Watch the video.
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/31570
Barr started as AG on Feb 15th. Assange was arrested on April 11. Barr was tied up with all of the Mueller investigation when he first got into office. No way he was in London to give a thumbs up to Assange. And the image isn't him unless he suddenly lost 50 pounds, died his hair and was 20 years younger.
grace8 ago
We all make mistakes but God'sangel's ratio of mistake to accuracy is too high. What bothers me is the posts that get 350 upvotes in 4 hours. After months of hounding her to do better,I can put up with someone who is inaccurate due to personal failings. The suspicion that this person is not faulty but a shill is what is difficult to swallow. QRV comment saying gods was an anti-trumper shill who they quickly banned only to see them recreate themselves on v/GA as pro-trump overnight. I am in the middle of remodeling so no time to research early posts and comments on their profile to verify. Switching like that overnight right after a ban would convince me they are a Troll rather than unbalanced, damaged vet.
Qdini ago
The problem is that she claimed it was true to the Mod and he believed her.
grace8 ago
The mods have always shied away from getting involved with god's. I don't know if it is something about that user or if they do not want to judge content. U saw the 180 Crensch did.
The mods have made this a safe space. They have used the ban hammer so much that Protect voat screamed for his head. I wasn't sure Crensch would survive, but he has and things have calmed down. We have so many less trolls sand shills than we did when Strayzie ran things. She was compromised by her attempt to befriend trolls and giving them her personal contact info. Crensch is much stronger since they have nothing on him.
Crensch ago
It's nothing about that user.
It's about my getting involved necessarily meaning that I will need to get involved in more of it, and we'll wind up having a standard for evidence so high that most would refuse to post anything.
DickTick ago
God help us all..... What have you done...
Have you not spent 10 or 15 minutes going through her submissions and comments?
The very last thing our movement needs is someone who gets as much attention as her and that hears any single rumor, on the very first time she hears it, and then goes on to reformat what was said so that it just about always starts with "BREAKING" and "CONFIRMED" as if it's a huge news story that has already been confirmed by multiple reliable sources.. Only that is almost never the case with anything she posts.
I mean, if I really need to, I don't mind spending a day going back through every single submission and comment she has made. Calling out every single thing, and narrative, she has pushed out to the masses as absolute confirmed fact, but that has been totally debunked so many times it's not even funny.
TRFBYTrC0mmies ago
I agree.
Side note...DID ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THE ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME THING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :)
Ina_Pickle ago
This is Voat
We dont silence overly enthusiastic old ladies just because we dont like what or how they post. Fuck right off with that bullshit. We have a block button. Use it.
Qdini ago
What about poorly sourced conspiracy theories that when questioned, you get called all kinds of names?
Ina_Pickle ago
State your counter argument and cite your sources if you have any. Then hypocritically call them a glo nigger and wait to see if they respond.
CheeseboogerHimself ago
dude, loo kat his history, he is a jew who larps as a Nazi. I kid you not!! Q also wouldn't want a hardcore racist leading a Q sub. Its fucked up and causes division, and remember, they want to divide us. Ask @kevdude if you don't believe me.
TheBRAINz ago
We are not sheep. We are goats and think for ourselves. Dont like a post? No worries. Downvoat and move on. Let the community decide what is or is not legit. Threads attacking other users violate board guidelines. There was enough of that already. The OP already apologized. Time to stop casting shade and move on.
Ddboomer ago
Yup, sounds good to me and this is what I do.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
I think that's the point they're trying to make. When your community decides to accept the bullshit and complete lies people like GodsAngle post, it discards credibility.
PGLiterati ago
Agreed.
Qdini ago
Really? Has GodsAngell called you a Pedo or a Satanist? She's called me that and worse.
Violate the rules? She does it all the time.
Quinceberry ago
Yes to this! Enough infighting. Think for yourselves! They want us divided! Keep Calm and "Maaaa" On!
ThreeBladedKnife ago
Good point.
Leading with emotion tends to make one a prey animal.
Certainly not my preferred choice.
Quinceberry ago
Leading with emotion is what the Leftists are doing amongst themselves and towards the public, getting everyone stirred up based on emotion, not facts.
JohnQ-Arkenstone ago
Very good point!
Nosfewratsjews ago
Doesn't really change the fact that GodsAngell is an autistic spammer.
Crensch ago
Nope. Changes what I'm going to do or not do, though. A lot of people don't like her. A lot of people like her. My entering the field of play without knowing the rules or the teams was immature.
I'll do better going forward.
SuckaFree ago
What rules, what teams, and what exactly are you referring to about not knowing enough about the post's subject? Clarification, please.
Qdini ago
Seriously? I get to be called a Pedophile and a Satanist by Godsangell because I point out some flaws in her logic and sources? Really?
Crensch ago
I can't be the claims/evidence police here. If I were to do that, morale and activity would drop like a rock. Everyone would be negatively affected, and this place would be a ghost town.
As for what she calls you, if it breaks the rules, please ping MolochHunter or Shizie or Bopper, as I should probably recuse myself from internal squabbles for the foreseeable future.
Sorry for my part in this dust-up.
Qdini ago
Listen, I get it sucks to be a Mod of this stuff. And I do appreciate your effort. But I think doing nothing is the wrong answer.
I have pinged the mods and never gotten a response. Ever.
Show me her evidence please. I'll look at it. I had to put my case out there. Show me what she sent you. She goes off half cocked. She tried to claim something was true last night about El Paso but she was looking at it from the wrong time zone. Ugh.
DickTick ago
Dude, you're completely missing the point again. It has nothing to do with liking her or not liking her. This isn't a popularity contest.. You can dig back through our comments, I have given her praise many times when she has done good and I really wish she could slow down just enough to double-check things before she screams them out and capital bold letters, saying that they have been "confirmed" when she's the only person that has confirmed them most of the time..
I like her. Ive said that more than a few times, but this movement is supposed to be about a hell of a lot more than liking each other. Its supposed to be about facts and double-checking those facts and sources and making sure we actually get to the truth and not spread fake news just like we accuse the left and Democrats of doing.
That is, after all, what Q has begged us to do so many times I can't even remember them all.
But what happens when you try to point something out to her that completely proves what she is saying is wrong? She just calls you a shill from that point on, no matter what you say or how good your proof is contrary to her statements.
It has absolutely nothing to do with not "liking" her and everything to do with the health and future of our movement, which there won't be one if we have too many voices like hers.
singlebrain1 ago
^ this
thewebofslime ago
But if @crensch can't take control of a situation on a case by case basis, how can he properly shill? I mean, a set standard that applies to everyone would be great, but it isn't as easy of system to manipulate.
Crensch ago
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Please delete any of these with claims against me or srayzie that you cannot support.
I have held up my end of the bargain.
Qdini ago
Yes
DickTick ago
Okay, so as long as I can get a bunch of people to like me, then I can say pretty much fucking anything, even when it's obvious it's a blatant goddamn lie, over and over and over hundreds of times a day... but hey, as long as I can keep a good portion of the people here liking me then we should be good, right?