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VPNs are less safe than TOR. It's really simple, TOR has many nodes and no centralized auditing. VPNs are single node with centralized auditing (logs). See what happened to lavabit and you'll see why no VPNs are safe.
I use VPNs just for watching netflix and getting around Geo-restrictions ONLY. Although, sadly, using a VPN just flags my connection in way that makes it more likely to be monitored by an analyst. I sure as heck wouldn't use a VPN for something dirty (which I don't even do unless being a racist is somehow illegal).
Private Internet Access sponsoring the website through ads telling people to not use TOR
TOR isn't compromised, VPN companies are compromised and 1000x easier to track than TOR. They hand over their logs to the government in realtime and that just flags you as suspicious for trying to hide.
Mentioning builders and destroyers in a general sense is realistic, its how it kind of works. Member sanegoat? That was a true destroyer.
But actually naming names is was unnecessary. But what really suppressed, and severely disappointed me, was when putt called sryzy-boomer, a ban happy redditor, "the builder". Her recent actions stand in stark contrast against the "spirit" of voat.
actually it's likely all about people getting sick and tired of assholes causing trouble just for the sake of causing trouble...or worse being PAID shills (employer obviously being a commie pinko KIKE faggot)
free speech is all fine and dandy, but those that simply want to cause strife to tear things down are in a nutshell the same breed of father rapers who are in Antifa, descendants of Bolshevik (((kikes))), etc...
or put another way, those invested in getting this place shut down...fuck 'em, ban 'em, @ them
I am on two other sites and visit here. I just thought this entire lets bitch like women thread was to good to pass up talking how the average person on it was acting like college women niggers demanding the college do what they want. We all thought that was ridiculous and here we are with a bunch of the guys here doing the same thing acting like sheboons.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were Tribal, that's certain... anyway, good to see you putting out some good discourse. I'm glad Putt respects you enough to respond.
He would never respond to me even had I said the same thing verbatim.
Keep fighting the good fight and collect more guns. In three decades or less, we will need 'em.
He's one of 'em, TK. If we could go back more than 19 pages of comment history, you could learn a lot about his account but... I feel like it's obscured to prevent research under the guise of saving cost. I still remember when that change was made, do you?
I'm just really tired of it all. I miss when voat was good. When we all hung out in chat and talked about world events in real time without the provocateurs intentionally interrupting us. We tried to move when they did so, and they demonized us and said we were trying to hurt people, so they prevented that too.
And now they're being called builders. The same people who are trying to (C_Corax) take QRV away and moderate it. The same people who made "GreatAwakening" when Q obviously said QRV was to be the subverse used, seeking to undermine that. These are the 'builders' now.
You know my opinion on it all... it doesn't surprise me at all that kevdude gets his first mention as a builder. And Srayzie? Honestly I think she's a propagandist. But I'm a broken record as far as that's concerned.
It just tells me that he really has always been supportive of SBBH personalities and I should probably find some other place to hang out, but there's very little out there.
Things aren't looking good. Perhaps Putt is forced to do this and those posts were our dog-whistle warning. The internet is not free, and it is only a matter of time before that becomes as clear as day for everyone, at which point it will be too late to do anything about it. Voat can't withstand an attack by webhosts and ISPs -- nothing can.
We shouldn't seek refuge here at Voat. This is where we convene, research, and organize, but we achieve nothing by being refugees other than giving them all the time they want to mobilize before they pull the trigger. By being out there on Reddit/Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/IRL, dropping all kinds of red pills, we force them to pull the trigger sooner than they want to. The most effective red pill is when the enemy shows its face -- which they will do eventually, when they have total control and the people no longer can be a threat to them -- so let's accelerate that process while we still have some freedom and power left.
Voat is currently our sanctuary, but it can disappear without we even noticing, slowly in secret (disappearing posts) or abruptly. Archive as much as you can, download and keep local drives of important shit. If Voat disappears tomorrow, what would you have wished that you had saved but didn't? Brace yourselves for a full-blown information war.
Open messages to tip where I suggested I could do Crypto and they said that'd be great - click the link to observe. I literally sent you the evidence. Then, three PM's asking for specific coins.
The answer is yes. This cannot possibly be a hard concept for you. You're intelligent enough to see this, so I'm still trying to understand why you're on such a warpath.
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This website belongs to @PuttItOut , He can run it however he wants. Of course he's going to have his own definition of which users are Builders and who are Destroyers. No one's being censored here or being banned because they say things he doesn't like so stop your moaning and complaining you little girls. Enjoy the place for what it is and try to have some fun for fuck sake. I fuck my mom.
This is clown world. Up is down. Left is right. Immorality is sacred. Builders are destroyers. Destroyers break the chains placed on us by the builders.
Presented without further comment because I can't possibly imagine how you could have real beef with me for linking a bunch of posts with > 10 views and > 5 upvoats every day to re-engage content that got overlooked.
Lolwut? Nigger, I’ve been here 4+ years. Hahahahaha
Fuck you faggot. Sorry I own my own business and actually have a life rather than knowing all the Interview season of this website. Is this a troll? Seriously, are you fucking joking with me?
The links are there for anyone to read for themselves. I already gave you more than enough consideration when I answered your call for proof when it's still been days since I asked you for yours (when you called me a shill account to manufacture consensus).
CP is speech. It's speech you don't like. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not speech. If it's not "free" speech, that's because it comes at someone else's expense, which is not what you said. You said it wasn't speech, flat out.
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Oh dear. Publishing that highly detailed PM and banning someone based on a 2 month old post is extremely tacky! That Kev post was too heavy with backstory for me to understand what's really going on there. All I gotta say is there is too much drama on voat lol! Everyone needs to calm down and get back to exposing the 'deep state' and posting OC like artwork and welding techniques. ;)
Lol, @kevdude probably got bored. During our exchange you were unable to address the principal difference and acknowledge it. Once BTFO you got awfully quiet.
Lolol. You and I explained how photography is a different medium than painting but not how it is a different profession. The painter and the photographer are both artists. The Art Department teaches courses in both media.
I hypothesise that the post where @puttiitout specifically names @kevdude as a "builder" rather than a destroyer was damage control because I pointed out that the original "builder vs destroyer" post was posted mere minutes after kevdude destroyed the common knowledge definition of free speech by saying that calligraphy, or lithography, or cartography are all speech but photography isn't.
Literally destroying the definition of free speech, and so he needs to be specifically called a builder to mitigate the loss of influence that results from such destruction.
Distasteful speech is still speech. Hateful speech is still speech. Disgusting speech is still speech.
Kevdude wants to silence speech he doesn't like without looking like a hypocrite for all the subs /mods he destroyed for doing the same thing. So he redefines speech he doesn't like as non-speech. Inb4 he demands we dig past page nine of his comments to prove it (which only goes back 17 days). Inb4 my ccp goes back to zero for saying this. Inb4 "shill/kike/account age" ad hominem. Inb4 "I know you are but what am I?"
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It's the tactic liberals use to convict or demonize before a crime has been committed. Case in point: Gun Control. They pass restrictive laws for shit that is either rare, or COULD happen. If you ban because someone MIGHT post illegal content, that's basically communism. I had a friend at work fired, FUCKING FIRED because a feminist coworker said he MIGHT shoot up the place.
Concern trolling is creating a scare tactic to get people to support Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
Obrez was one of the 1st people I bumped into when I joined the site. I didnt always talk with Smokratez, but I always liked reading what he had to say.
mom and dad please stop fighting. Theodore raises fair points. And what happens if its you banned tomorrow for "vote manipulation" done by someone else to promote you?
EdSnowden got banned and he posted about no Canary updates. Thats proof for me Voat is handing over logs to a government. By being US based its basically the law he has to.
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I'm sure plenty of users deserved it for Vote Manipulation
No they didn't , who the fuck cares about CCP ? We know who we know after meeting them in the comments section , did you ever check the CCP "credentials" before replying to a user under a comment worth replying ?
but they downvoted new users
Yes this is true yet we are talking about ~100 out of 20000 active accounts . I gave like 2000 upvotes to new users that came in v/Cringeanarchy do i get a budge or a honorable mention in the builders list ?
All this is very very disappointing , as an old guy who made his first account in a forum back in the 90's i have seen it way too may times to know where it leads . VOAT 's only selling points are free speech and trust in the admin and the second is starting to fade .
Middle_path is disingenuous. Concern trolls a lot. Played the centrism-is-the-3rd-way bullshit card while the Overton Window's "center" was still clearly insanely biased towards liberal progressivism. Only really shut up about it when all the known eceleb centrist goons crashed and burned.
He's not here to "build" the community, only subvert it or act as a kind of sea anchor to the rightward drift.
Frankly, I don't give a fuck. I've always thought this was a 'honeypot' and just assumed all of you nigger faggots are a big collection of 'glow in the dark' types. I'm not worried about it. If free speech is that far gone, it's well past time to ventilate any fucking glow in the dark types that come sniffing around my door.
I figure this will break one of two ways. We the freedom loving people of America win this cultural WW3 or we don't. If we win, all the leftist shitheads and operatives that I've trolled into exposing themselves will be hunted down in real life. You're welcome. If we lose, I'll not be alone in the gulag. Or they'll just kill me. Oh well, it's not like I haven't faced fuckers wanting to murder me. Gee, what will I do? Die this time? lol We'll see. I digress.
Frankly though, if I was a glow in the dark type, I'd not be worried about this place an iota. Lots of blowhards that are smart enough not to break any laws by calling for violence in an illegal sort of way. Nobody is organizing here. If they are, they sure as fuck left me out. Good. Fuck off, I don't need you or want you. But I doubt there is.
I'd watch the Q-Tards because frankly they're too stupid to be ignored. They're hyped up boomer idiots and the chance of them doing something something is low, but with that kind of stupid, you can't be sure.
I bet the code to this place is so lose you could drop spyware on everyone coming through. The admins wouldn't even know if it was really deep state jacking with it. They could 'man in the middle' the fuck out of it. After all it's not on its own servers with a highly trained security team keeping it from being jacked with. So I imagine any jr g man with a basic 'glow in the dark' nigger kit could be in here like a literal 'script kiddie'. It's not 'if it's a honeypot', it's how big of a priority is it?
Yup, I can imagine they just take a passing interest at Voat. They might assign a team of fuck offs who need relegated to shit duty to watch it. It's not as big as the chans, who are the real shakers and movers, crap filters down to this place and really isn't cutting edge. It's about the speed of an uncensored facebook. Keep an eye on it to see if anything interesting crops up. Shit duty for shitheads.
The real nut to crack would be private boards. No way to join them and fuck with them, prod them, poke them and see if they roar. You'd have to figure out who's a blow hard LARPer having a cathartic rant and who's a real threat, all without the benefit of 'stimulating' them for a discernible clue to their nature.
If they are a seeming 'threat', then it's on to digging in their shit, from phone conversations and other media that can be peaked at. Then boom, you've got all their contacts, friends, associates. It then becomes apparent if they are a threat or not or just blowing steam.
Myself? I'm weaponized boredom. Glow in the dark agencies probably have me listed as 'lethal boredom'. If they dig into me, they risk the chance of agents becoming disillusioned because of the pure boredom, get depressed and just kill themselves as they realize that their life has been reduced to chasing people like me. Bored out of their skulls. lol /wrist
I've probably teased them with some of the shit I say, then they look into me and go "FUCK!!! NOTHING! omfg. I hate life. I'm so bored! I just wasted more of my life reading this wall of text! WHY??"
Make them website; they say you don’t exist anymore.
Attempt to make an inspirational quote; they say you’re trying to be a demigod.
Get rid of the (fake)user accounts being used to game the system; they say you’re trying to silence their 40 account’s voices.
Get rid of the user accounts that are targeting and brigading specific users to silence their voice; they say you’re trying to remove their ability to silence their target’s voices... as if this were a bad thing.
Offer them a free trial to a tool that protects their anonymity; they say you’re trying to doxx them.
Try to give a “my view on the matter”; they call you an Illuminati owned goon.
I can’t wait to have to find another site that allows free speech, after Voat is abandoned and shuttered by Putt because he’s sick of his own creation bitch slapping him everytime he shows his face.
The one fucking company on the planet that’s even attempted to advertise on a site like this and it turns into an embarrassing backhand from a community that constantly reinforces the idea of online anonymity;
The non stop “biting the hand that feeds you,” can’t possible be a rewarding experience.
I’m going to assume that these posts and comments, along with the downvoats (that they claim shouldn’t exist anyways) are from the majority of users that got bans and warnings for their Voat manipulations.
These people don’t want a community because they are NOT builders.
Atleast, that’s my interpretation of the post that came from the owner of the website that allows you free speech, gets you free deals from an internet security company, and bans those that would maliciously abuse the voating system.
Initially I like the idea of builders and destroyers. But then I saw I wasn't on the list of builders and now I hate it.
But seriously, this is just cliquey popularity contest. They always happen in all groups. It's happened before, it's happening now, and it will happen again. I'm also in the spirit of calling it out as I don't think these types of super user alliances are healthy for the ethos of this website. More of an anonymous solo-wolf type myself and I don't see the point in submitting to someone else's authority when that's exactly what I and others escaped from.
So, imagine if you did something and someone came along and said, "Hey. I think your time was worth something to me, and I'd like to know if I could tip you for it.
Your stance is both that:
1) Everyone absolutely must say no to thius.
2) Anyone who allows this is not OK.
If that's so, it's pretty hilarious that you would have this opinion. I can't help but wonder what kind of world you live in.
Explain why the people who have actually build and never destroyed in 4+ years are glossed over but he mentions you for something you just did now and 2 shit disturbers, one who never built much and the other who's been destroying the community these past few days ?
I don't think I have any opinion on the whole builder thing. I don't know what Putt has going on and I don't know what motivated him for the other users. I can certainly see a situation where that list would have just been 2 users prior to me deciding to start up a community initiative. I'm just along for the ride on that one.
I think if you are looking for explanations on something Putt said it's somewhat unfair to ask me to try to interpret, with how little knowledge I have it will result in a poor interpretation - so I've given you what I do know and recommend you take your question to the source because I have no skin in that game and do not desire to advocate one way or the other.
I don't even interact with the other two users, so I don't frequent the places on Voat they reside.
Voat is a big place. The only explanation I could possibly give is that for a very long time I was in the middle, and at various points I have been what Putt describes as a "Destroyer" - but that was long ago, Voat was much bigger, and I am currently watching the community shrink in size to the point where I have begun to take action to at least do some minimal acts to make it grow. Just my two cents.
Like the Scientologist code-word "Suppressive Persons".
It means someone who breaks or has the potential to break the conditioning of the cult member.
A "negative influence" placed against the "positive influence" of the cult.
I agree with everything but want to comment on this part:
Also, I guess I should point out the obvious that the VOAT logo involves the proper and inverted triangles that make up both the Star of David (and thus the Saturn hexagon) and the Masonic "As Above, So Below" shapes. Power pyramid symbology, Goat = Satan, etc etc.
To me, that's way overthinking it. I really believe it was a simple case of, 'Let's change our site name to reflect the voting aspect. Let's call it Voat. Cool. What logo should we have? Something that rhymes with Voat. A goat! What should it look like? Let's use our up and downvoat buttons as its horns? Perfect!'
OK, a goat so happens to be the symbol of Baphomet but it doesn't necessarily follow that our goat has anything to do with the occult.
"Hey guys, Puttitout here. To improve the quality of content posted here on Voat, all users who do not yet have the builder badge will be limited to the /v/destroyers subverse. Posts in the /v/destroyers subverse have a chance to be reposted sitewide by one of our trusted builders. Shaloms ✡"
My point is that the age of information is over. We have, for better, or worse, entered an age where you cannot trust what you see or hear.
Or even what you know.
It's one of the reasons I sort of understand calling the negative influences destroyers. They have on more than one occasion nearly destroyed my will to be here.
A. Angel investor is normal guy that just wants voat to live.
B. Angel investor is feds and wants to track you/us closer.
C. Angel investor is SJW that will eventually destroy voat.
Either way you're still here so you can't be too concerned, IMO. Why keep stirring up shit? I understand wanting to know, but people are sounding paranoid at this point.
With A there is no harm, no foul. If I had "fuck you" money I'd fund such a project, as I think a lot of goats would do as well.
If it's C - do you think that we'd just stand by and let that shit happen? The moment they started implementing SJW shit we'd be ripping heads off. Even if they cut off the funding, we'd know that shit was up.
I think the only danger would be if it were B. And I'm pretty sure that most of us are already on some sort of list anyway, so that kind of negates B as well.
The destructive forces here or whatever you want to call them, they're not providing a necessity like a fertilized field. They're at best providing a balance, but if they're here to manipulate and harass people, I'm sorry but I just don't see how a purely negative influence has some positive side effect. I have nearly quit this website altogether on a few occasions because I was just tired of what I viewed as fairly transparent brigading.
Also from a purely logical perspective, Voat has been under attack for years. How many ddos attacks have we suffered? Media assaults. The list goes on. So... why would they not attempt to infiltrate if all else failed?
This is something that tptb do. They monitor and control opinions and beliefs by weaving an intricate web. You don't get webs without spiders.
WhiteRonin made a post about being warned, and the thread was full of disinformation and outright deceit.
I'm arguing that putt is using the wrong semantics and no definition of his intended meaning. I agree you value this site. And putt does too so he wants to show that.
I have on several occasions seen Pyro commenting and posting stuff that I considered very suspicious. I remember him in Voat chat and always got a weird feeling about him. I was more or less convinced he was here to stir shit... And now he's banned.
I don't know what else to say, obviously I'm biased. Everyone tends to like having their preconceived notions validated.
Putt did warn us in a post a few months back that this was going to happen. He warned the "destroyers", and mentioned that some of them are very active well known users. He wanted to give them one last chance. Turns out he gave them another couple months to smarten up and they didnt.
Read my palms. Tell me, am I Builder or a Destroyer? And does that mean you're dtf or what? Stop being so tsundere.
More seriously... What the fuck is this? We all know that there's a certain sexless fraction of Voat that is hellbent on making sure no one new enters their special butt-friends bigotry mayonaise party. Is this Putt trying to push back on that, to please the mighty investor? Or is it him trying to facilitate it?
I do think there is merit (being @puttitout) into showing appreciation for the people that help actively contribute to your 'project' (life's work at this point) and I'm convinced that the people committed to building up this website will appreciate the badge.
The definitions of builder and destroyer don't exist. I can't even say they are vague. There just aren't any. It's an incredibly subjective choice from Putt.
The people highlighted in his post are not according to my subjective definition of "builder"
4a.
@virge however nice the concept, the account is still suspect to me. It's a 4 year old inactive account. First contribution he does make happens 4 years after he created an account yet that makes him a builder?? I'm not even convinced yet that Virge makes his post in good faith. So far it's been 3 posts over 2 weeks? There are people like @needlestack that have build a community around their hobby for 4 years straight that were not mentioned. Imo Glownigger
4b. While @kevdude has definitely been an active member of voat. I would definitely not subscribe him as a builder. Kevdude has organised mobs and destroyed much more accounts/moderators/ec than any other on this site. His posts are either jokes with his ingroup or crusades against people he perceives negatively (usually for censorship of other people, sure, but not every time)
Is kevdude's activism necessary? You can argue yes.
But these actions are still destructive. Imo destroyer
4c. I don't follow the Qtards or @srayzie much so I wouldn't know. I do know it's a long standing account that created and builded a Q subverse 2 years before the Reddit ban and subsequent soyboy invasion. Imo builder
And I agree with the other reply here about NASA yes men. It's about personality types in the end. People like empress, middlepath, rotteux etc are people that clearly want to contribute in a positive amicable way.
Kevdude definitely values voat, but the way he shows this is 180° the other way. And critics, opposition and different viewpoints are needed.
TLDR: I think builder is the wrong label. It's not defined and the connotation does not fit the way putt wants to use it. But I do agree in the concept of showing appreciation for your active username.
I fully agree with your assessment system. Not necessarily your conclusions, simply because I don't know who these accounts are. But your system for determining what connotes building versus destroying is fundamentally correct.
If I may draw a Punnett square (warning, I cannot):
Hover over my account. Read my bio. Realize how funny it is that you can still find almost four years of archives with my comments, posts, and replies on the open Internet and SearchVoat.co.
Yeah I don't get the suspicions about your account. I recognize your name as being a normal, regular contributor on here for AGES. Users are antsy that a lot of their questions have been unanswered and are looking sideways at a few people they don't recognize so I wouldn't take it too personally.
hey buddy sorry, I trying to inform us old schoolers.... kevdude has access to putts account (or whatever) and is posting under his name. The three global stickies are all drafted by kevdude.
and virge is a sketchy account as well
Just be carefull needle. voat is very fucking weird right now.
you might not recognize this name, but you know im legit.
-dial_indicator -cheeselane - twentyfive - & hundreds more
stay safe & strong, I wonder if cancel is still on here. here is some chill sound you, enjoy your morning.
It has been easy to see who you are considering you sign your comments with 'dial'. :) Well, unless you have proof (and not just a strong suspicion) I think it's unfair to Kevdude and Putt to say Kev has access to Putt's account. If you consider my 'benefit of the doubt'-ness to be folly, then so be it.
Don't worry, I see that things on voat are a bit fucked. I just want to shitpost and share knitting patterns, ya know?
Thanks for the tune, I'm grooving to it in my headphones right now.
I get it, tho I believe i'm not incorrect. Kevdude and I have been feuding for years. I also know Putts writing style, aswell many others. You really cannot conjure proof other than give posting knowledge.
When was the last time putt or atko made 3 global stickies concisely at 8 am CST. they are euro. Who is active at that time? kevdude. Plus the writing style is a dead giveaway.
happy you enjoyed the song, tech thieves are good stuff
There are people like @needlestack that have build a community around their hobby for 4 years straight that were not mentioned. Imo Glownigger
Wait, what? Are you calling me a glownigger? :( If so, no knit stocking cap for you!
Your 4b is right on the money. If I had been drinking coffee the moment I read Putt lathering him up and calling him a builder I would have spit it out on my computer lol!
This is my problem with calling Virge or even Empress builders. All they do is copy paste other peoples work. People like NeedleStack, that welder guy Rott, and the guy who give linux instruction are the real contributors.
But I like to think that every person who posts or comments is helping build the community, and often times the troublemakers are the people breathing life into the site with their drama.
Yeah, I am not so interested in who exactly the Angel Investor is if it's some rich guy that wants us to stay free speech. You know how the left is; if they found out who he is they would ruin his life.
It'd be cool to generally know who the investor is; i.e., is it one person? A corporation?
There's a difference between constructive criticism and strictly malicious actions though and it seems a bit odd to me that you aren't acknowledging that distinction?
It seems odd that you want to dance around drinking soylent instead of address the point: which is...good people were banned for secret reasons by a secretive admin who’s now divided the community into lap dogs and feral mutts.
I hate the way you phrased this commnet because I hear the low-T gears of denial between words.
My two cents, good call posting this in the off hours.
That said, there are positive and negative influences on this website. I don't particularly like the builders / destroyers titles, but I understand why he's using them. I do agree that the blurb about Kevdude was a bunch of meaningless noise though.
I have for a long time now watched Voat and seen trends. I've always called out certain users of SBBH. Now I'm seeing many of them banned and warned. From what I've seen they are here almost strictly to destabilize and run D&C campaigns.
But there's also fishy stuff going on with Putt with the VPN give away which in and of itself wouldn't be too suspicious in my eyes, but asking for the middle finger picture seemed quite strange.
I can't fault the owner of the website wanting to highlight those who assist in making the website a better place nor singling those out who seem hell bent on making it a worse place.
From my perspective the only reason some of those users put the effort in to appear to be good Voaters simply so they have more influence. That is a known tactic used against forums.
Regarding the investor, lots of people have fuck you money. They might be investing out of their personal beliefs rather than for economic gain.
It could also be something malicious and I'm glad that you're raising these concerns because you're a user I've always respected.
I like you better over on poal. Here you’re having to sound apologetic for noticing the admin is pozzed. Throw off your dirty old robes. Anyone who would trust this place from here has gone full retard. Putt has all but explicitly laid out the new direction and I actually think he’s (whoever runs his account now) laughing at anyone who can’t pick up the drift. Trust has been broken many time from the blackouts being avoidable, to shifty talk of an unarmed investor, veiled allusions to Fed intervention, then he changes Voat to invite only mere hours before a ban that ensnared common goats with years old accounts that can not petition for redress because they did not have alts and it’s invite only.
Hmmmmmm.
Get real faggots. See you a Poal. Much better vibe. JQ welcome. You get a Destroyer badge for joining now.
It’s not that bad; The admin isn’t a slithering Jew. It’s run by an old goat who got sick of Putt’s shifty Jew ways.
@TheodoreKent is already there and many others. I’m sure he’ll completely ditch this place once the reality of these events and lingering questions take their toll. Goats are on Poal sounding pretty confused and upset for being banned with no warning and no course of appeal. If you’re honest with yourself, this whole string of events add up to a crystal clear picture of the future.
‘Destroyer’ is the new ‘deplorable’. Embrace what you are and jump the lemming train. Voat was great, now it’s gay, Poal is better, see you there.
Tbf everywhere on the internet is watched, monitored, hell peoples own homes are with all the cameras and microphones they WILLINGLY place inside them. So what difference does it make if voat is run by whatever? I don't get it. Also Poal is still unreadable no matter what you say.
That’s like saying all government is zogged so what’s it matter is your local sheriff is a rapist.
It matters.
You don’t have to condone his cabal. But you do by participating, accepting that he’s dirty, believing his karma isn’t passed to you directly or indirectly.
You’ll probably be banned eventually anyways. You’re nuts if you don’t believe Putt has a defined agenda that will take clearer shape as time goes and not paying attention if you believe that agenda is free speech focused in any way.
Poal has free speech. Here there are secret metrics that you have to follow to avoid a global ban, but you can’t know what they are. There are now two classes of users according to the admin...one he likes and one he doesn’t. The one he doesn’t can be banned and not understand why. It’s all creepy as fuck and not environment designed to promulgate true freedom of expression.
You want this place to work? Either make everything anonymous or remove all visible scp CCP.. still show things that are popular on v/all but don't do it too to bottom, same as comments. Mix in some really unpopular comments with the popular ones. But again, hide the like/dislike crap.
It's Reddit tier and I don't need to be told what to like.
I suspect this site is being used to corral offending IPs for a future use, perhaps if speech laws are eventually passed. This site would be a gold mine of incriminating evidence.
If you got a code from Putt for a free VPN, I wouldn't use it. Just shell out for a better one, it isn't worth the risk.
The VPNs are controlled by those guys much more locked down. If you get unlucky, it happens on tor. There is no getting unlucky on VPN, you are garunteed to not only get tracked by them, but become more of a target for standing out. You're best bet is to get a burner 4g hotspot and combine that with tor. TOR exit nodes don't matter, it only takes 1 untraceable middle node, the exit node won't know where you come from.
However, because the big eyes control all the ISPs, they can correlate the exit node, entry node and even middle nodes by just logging the ISP level connections between the nodes, it's just more difficult to observe and track that than a simple VPN.
See, this is what a gov agent looks like. They try to blend in by talking to the talk, then go on to make their disinformation statements.
VPN's that don't keep logs are very safe.
All VPNs keep logs. It's either the operator keeps logs, or the end up in secret jail with no trial (see what happened to lavabit). It's been that way forever, those operating VPNs are crooks and liars and you would have to be tragically naive to buy a VPN accounting in the hopes that it protects you.
These companies are given gag orders and the operators are thrown into jail right as they are served any form of papers and then quickly hurried into secret federal courtrooms. Nobody is in the VPN business at all for over a decade that keeps confidentially. All VPNs are honey traps.
Us law gives intelligence services an automatoc warrant to your devices for simply using tor or a vpn at all it's called rule 41, passed in December 16. Imo your better off on plain web and just say what you believe. I will pay the price for my wrongthink but I will do so with a clean conscience so to speak.
I was a better person there 10 minutes into having an account because a place like this rots from the head and the head is so obviously zogged, so why express genuinely in his goy pen? On Poal I actually have a sense of respect for myself because I’m choosing to be on a platform that values me. Here it’s all suspicion because our admin is suspicious.
There isn’t anywhere you can go that you won’t be policed online anymore.
Just the world we live in. With the lesser crimes bills being passed and them still needing a bad guy for society to hate you can bet it will be this medium and hate speech to be the focus.
I tested him on a Soph thread and got the same, he's a reddit thorough bread. CameraCode0 also. Coincidentally they both would defend TexasVet despite my mountain of proof he's a lying fraud.
Not very hard. You can apply liquid fertilizer to any water source and fertilize by spraying that water. I am sure you can get the elements for fertilizing be synthesized without using decaying plants and cow shit and ingredients up the material chain.
Atko said long time ago that you should conduct yourself as you would in any place public. 99.99999% of the fucks here don’t and call for outright murder of niggers and anyone else not white.
You ever think that shit wouldn’t have consequences?
This site reads like a goddamn white supremacy message board. Wouldn’t be suprised if it was the FBI that was the angel investor to be honest. Their work would be easy with this place.
Since you are stupid I will lay a timeline for you.
2 years ago we had a user that was called secretlypsycho that was fascinated with the columbine murders. Same with other mass murders. Even made a subverse for it.
Then at the beginning of the month there was a girl that scared the living shit out of the school systems within that distric and many others in Colorado.
They found her after she committed suicide. Upon finding what I could (history was scrubbed) it’s the same person.
Around that time is when put said he had be contacted by a law enforcement agency.
So do the math and realize that while you may think you have free speech you must accept you have consequences to that.
It’s the same with every single other message board like this.
Free speech is fine when you can accept the consequences.
For instance would you say
You're a lying kike.
While you were face to face with a group of people? Or addressing another in a public setting where someone could follow you home, see where you work, or in anyway have a consequence to you?
I am betting you wouldn’t. You do it here because you lack consequences. Let’s you vomit our word salad all fucking day and hey it is just free speech right?
Well guess what it sure is and you should accept that consequence that comes with it is all.
I'm more inclined to say things in front of others in a public setting, than on here, to be honest. In fact, some of my best redpilling moments in real life have been from doing precisely that.
As I've said before, I'm pretty much exactly the same person online as I am in real life. Why would I need to fake aspects of my personality on etiher realm? That's just lying about my true self - if people cannot handle my true self, that's on them.
I say what the fuck I want when I want, if you work with a bunch of faggots and think saying kike on a website puts you on a hitlist then you either need to say kike more because the kikes are after you or admit that's not how it works.
I asked if you would say it within a public setting.
What you do doesn’t bother me, but you know you are being offensive to someone out there and it’s done for attention, but I know there is a point you wouldn’t want that attention.
I comment off Theo’s submission about something earlier and it’s really what I think.
Yes I would say it in a public setting, I deny the holocaust in public places, name the jew, and speak about everything I know that everyone else is too cucked to touch upon, I do it so fucking loud and proud that people listening in start question their faith. And grow up, who gives a fuck. Oh no, bad attentions from idiots! Face it, people here are far more knowledgeable than most, there comes a time in life when you stop caring what idiots think, you clearly haven't reached that point yet. And trying to educate people isn't done for attention, it's done for, get this, to try and educate them. Shocking I know. Stop living as a prisoner in your own mind, you'll thank me later.
causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry. - Like I said why care about the opinions of idiots? Do you always submit to the lowest common denominator?
actively aggressive; attacking. - Talking in public like I said is not this also.
Like I said, you are a prisoner of your own mind and making excuses up for it.
If you're white, liberals want to kill you. They are trained by corporations to think its ok to hate and kill you. And they have NO problem talking about that in public. But a group of people on a message board standing against that with text is extremist and worthy of government retaliation? You are a cuck, plain and simple. And yes I would say anything I say here in real life. Ive been punched in the face for calling a nigger a nigger in real life.
If you present a convincing argument, that redpills one or several people. I'm pretty sure that's what /u/DayOfThePillow would do, when he's not caring about the opinions of idiots, that is.
I wish there was more transparency for this, like actual logs of what they did and what the proof is.
As one of the people on that list, I have no idea what the fuck is meant by "vote manipulation." Yes, I had a backup account, and good fucking thing too, since voat is "invite only" at the moment. I certainly haven't used the accounts in concert (ie, upvoting posts from one with the other). Go ahead, check @WhiteMatter's post history, see if that looks like the comments of someone who was subject to systematic downvoting or whatever.
So I honestly have no idea what the fuck the algorithm they're using is, but at the moment it seems fucked.
To be fair though, if people know too much about the inner workings of an algorithm, people will game the system or severely bend the rules but not break them.
You are correct that in the interests of transparency people want to know why someone was banned.
Some don't understand chaos, that destruction is needed, the old and rusty must be torn down and make room for the new and shiny. Without destruction there is no need for building and everything would be just that,static, never changing, forever.
I just come here to say Nigger Faggot Kike or whatever the fuck else I would like to say. The day I can't say Nigger Faggot Kike, this place is a fucking memory. I don't give a shit about anything else happening here, I don't care about upvoats, downvoats, or the rest of it, it's all completely meaningless.
Same. I've been here for a lot of drama and have always just watched and read. Most of it is petty and amounts to nothing but unfound accusations.
The only thing I've ever really had any concern of myself is the "angel investor". It seems as putt never addressed it and probably won't any time soon.
I can here because of the stuff going on with Seth Rich and have noticed two things change in the time since. Everything is now the Jews fault and the lowering of the quality of content. This seemed to happen after one of the shut downs. I couldn't tell you which or if it's even real. It could just be my natural thought process of trusted very little.
Storm front. And yea, white trash are ignorant, hostile, petty, and have way too much time on their hands. They're white niggers. The quality of this site has plummeted since those goofs claimed voat was theirs.
Fuck off you ignorant piece of shit. The fucking idea that you've been here over 2 years and act like no Jew ever has done a single bit of wrong and anyone who would dare to speak out against them is some sort of [insert made up words]. You also assume anyone who would dare speak up against the Kikes is "white". The evidence is OVERFUCKINGWHELMING against these pieces of shit and to pretend it isn't is literally the definition of Kike Nigger Faggot.
You know what sent me over the edge, I bought a children's board game years ago to play with the kids and one of the questions on the cards was, "Would you rather [insert some random act] or sit next to a White Supremacist on a bus?" The completely fabricated and made up word like that appearing in a children's fucking board game? Fuck the Kikes and I hope every single of them is removed from our country forever and I would lose not a single night of sleep if the entire lot of them were completely removed from the planet. Holodomor, Weimar Republic, sexualization and pedophilia with children, the countless beautiful people of European descent who have met uncountable horrors fighting wars to defend Kikes and their lot of sand in the middle of nowhere. How many children have been violently raped and murdered by these fucking monsters in Hollywood and their other dens of evil across the world. I didn't believe it either, but when I started seeing this anti-white agenda I started researching where this attack was coming from and EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME, it was Jews working together from the top down. They MUST GO.
Fuck the Kikes and I hope every single of them is removed from our country forever and I would lose not a single night of sleep if the entire lot of them were completely removed from the planet.
agreed. I'm disgusted too. I say this as someone who's had quite a few close jewish friends in my life. Same thing with niggers. I've liked a few of them too. But they all have to go. Or more realistically white people need to go somewhere and fortify. The general public isn't horny for genocide.
I'm not jiving with some of the names on that ban log. EdSnowden was here for over 4 years, and I'd gotten used to seeing his name around. He just posted a few days ago about how much he 'loved Voat.' And he's globally banned for something vague? Same goes for a few other names on that list. I'm having a hard time buying into it.
One suspicious situation isn't enough to pull the trigger, but how many do you need in order for it to be enough?
Why not communicate genuinely instead of with this manipulative and frankly feminine bullshit?
So shills are the ones that contribute positively to the subs?
You know that's not what I meant. So do you actually want to understand my perspective or just attack me?
I'm saying that if you were a shill wanting to effect the website, what would you do? Post from brand new accounts all the time that no one trusts? Or would you put the time and effort in to appear like "one of us". I would choose the latter if my goal was to influence the website and cause damage.
Does that mean all who contribute positively are shills? Of course not. That is ridiculous, and so is trying to put those words in my mouth like you did.
Because this is supposedly the last bastion of free speech and people should be able to say whatever the hell they want without regard for how they might be perceived? Just a guess.
The point is he is responding to me. Yet refusing to communicate.
I guess I visit the last bastion of free speech to have meaningful and uncensored conversations and you guys just come here to fling shit knowing you can't get banned. To each his own I suppose.
Purposely twisting what people say, lying, manipulating. Yeah we should just embrace that, right?
I have freedom of speech too, cunt, and I'm going to call out you sacks of shit that don't give a fuck about freedom of speech and are only here to stir shit and harass people. Sounds like Putt has the same idea, so keep up the bullshit. That's my honest advice to you people. Keep up the bullshit so you get banned and I don't have to waste my time explaining to children why manipulating and lying harms the community.
You worded things badly, then when that is pointed out you give a long emotional response, and you call me the woman. You have been doing this shit all day. I am 90% sure you are a shill, or at least the biggest faggotnigger I have seen all week. You are one month old account telling others that accounts that have been active for years have been playing a long con to do X where you don't even define what X is. Then somehow claiming you know this for a fact which is impossible for you to do if you have only been here for a month.
Common tactic for shills on forums is to build a good reputation so they have more influence.
That is not worded poorly. Id phrase it that way again if I had to. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is so poor that you took what I said and assumed I meant everyone who contributes to subverses is a shill.
Honestly all our personal shit aside, you should read more often. There's genuinely no reason for you to have interpreted what I said the way you did. That is 100% on you mate.
So shills are the ones that contribute positively to the subs?
"I asked for clarification which you never answered"
I'm saying that if you were a shill wanting to effect the website, what would you do? Post from brand new accounts all the time that no one trusts? Or would you put the time and effort in to appear like "one of us". I would choose the latter if my goal was to influence the website and cause damage.
Does that mean all who contribute positively are shills? Of course not. That is ridiculous, and so is trying to put those words in my mouth like you did.
That is two paragraphs of clarification. How you can accuse me of not clarifying when I've gone into great detail is beyond me. Again I don't even believe English is your first language at this point. You're functionally illiterate.
I said our personal stuff aside just to try and imply that it was unrelated to the argument at hand. I probably could have relayed that in a better way.
He might have another job. He also might have had a meeting with an investor. Damn dude, people have lives off this fucking site including the site staff and owner, get a fucking clue.
Maybe? Or maybe we had half a dozen PM's last night about getting with each other today, but it didn't come to fruition? I know which one it is. You assumed you did, but look how that turned out just now.
Maybe like a MAN he has a life besides here. Maybe he went out got hammered and spent the night fucking after. We've all done that and missed work, but he isn't paid to punch a clock so he can skip work all he wants and even delete the site without permission because he's a MAN. He isn't a slave to this site and I'll use the voat words for the He isn't your NIGGER.
I never got banned, no posting on video's or politics but I still have my account. I love the revenge and nuclear revenge subs. So fucked up some of them and the entitled ones also.
I looked through 3 or 4 pages of that ban log, and there were at least a half dozen people I'd grown used to seeing around. Smokratez is another one who'd been here for quite a while. It raises the hairs on the back of my neck when people who are really 'part of the group' get suddenly shut out like that, with no fanfare, no warning, etc. I really think Theodore is onto something here.
He absolutely was an asshole, and I didn't like him. But I don't believe he was practicing vote manipulation, unless some sort of evidence is posted. He was an ass, but he had been an ass here for over 4 years.
Seems odd that a lot of the most vocally against jews got wrapped up in this ban wave, while the Q mods got builder tags. Meanwhile well known high contributing Goats such as Empress are not considered builders.
'Builder' tags are like bubblegum. Don't start chewing, if you didn't bring enough for the whole class. If you give bubblegum to one or two kids, the rest will think you're playing favorites. Then, if you get into an argument with somebody else, you're 'siding' with your favorites and 'targeting' your enemies.
Anyway, I agree with Theodore that this Builder/Destroyer stuff is a bunch of crap.
It's a common tactic for infiltrators though, they need to build reputation. Like who would you tend to believe if we were arguing, me or Smokratez? I wouldn't even blame you for casually siding with Smokratez. I'm what not even a two month old account? I've security minded though. I like to swap out accounts. I prefer my arguments to stand on their own merit and not my reputation. I know there's nothing malicious about me or my account, but if I ended up in an argument with Smoke and neither of us had hard evidence...
I don't consider that I have 'friends' or 'favorites' on Voat, because I'm just a lurker. I don't know anybody all that well. I was just used to seeing Smokratez around. I had one nice interaction with him a few years ago, and a number of bad ones. I've up-voated and down-voated him plenty of times. If you were to argue with him, I'd like to think I'd consider whose argument was actually correct, and side with that person.
My great concern with the ban log is just that there were numerous familiar names on it, all of whom had been around about as long as I have. It's not a great loss for me, personally, but it's a little upsetting.
Think of it like this: Your neighbor, and old man that you've maybe said two words to over the past five years, is suddenly gone one day. You go out to pick up your morning paper/collect the mail from the mailbox/etc. and you see a bunch of people moving shit out of his house into a box truck. You ask what's going on, and somebody says that he just died. You didn't know him very well, didn't even know his name, but he was a fixture. He was your neighbor. And now he's gone. That doesn't really change your life at all, things will continue as well as they ever did, but it ought to make you feel bad for a minute or two. And then you move on, and every so often you might think of the guy. Or you might not.
If some of those guys were legitimately doing things that violated Voat's rules, then the bans should stand, of course.
Yeah, that's probably a better analogy. At some point, the question should be asked if one trusts the authority enough to take their word for it. In the case of my example, I would trust the authority that my neighbor had been justly arrested, so I take your point.
I honestly don't know what's going on. I've been highly skeptical of a lot of stuff around here. I'm struggling with my personal bias here because several of the people banned were users I had been incredibly suspicious of for a very long time. So it's easy for me to feel A.) Personally validated in my suspicions and B.) That "the neighbor had been justly arrested"
But at the end of the day, I know nothing. Literally nothing. I have suspicions but I never had evidence. I kind of want to see the evidence that they were legitimately breaking rules and to what level of severity.
Yeah I got an old account there from when Putt gave up or whatever and Voat was down for 3 days. Then Atko came back for a bit. Kikery was a foot for sure. But yeah, There needs to be a LOT of clarification. Like can we still say Nigger? Can we say Niggers steal? Can we say Hang niggers that steal? Shit like that. What is the line? Q said it though. In the end 8ch will be the ONLY place left.
Who the fuck care, his sight his choice. It's his castle because this is not a socialist website and our opinions mean fuck in the end. I would do the same thing. If I had someone putting a lot of money into my site a 100 people that I've never met in real life are not going to make a shit of difference in my decision. If you don't like his choices for his website the door is to the left and no one is holding a gun to anyones head. No trying to be a dick but that is how I see things in a realistic way, we are not related or old drinking buddies, we are here at his discretion and he can shut the site down if he likes and it we don't like it, tough cookies.
So nobody but the site owner is allowed to ever have or voice an opinion about it? No matter what He does, you think our place is to quietly acquiesce and grovel at His mercy, never daring to question His transcendental wisdom?
Useless sheep attitude. Brainless sycophants like you ruin everything.
I didn't say grovel but this is not a democracy. You are here at his whim and if he chooses he can remove you for no reason. It's like your home, you can tell anyone to get the fuck out, now this is his home, he built it and he opened it up to strangers and he can tell anyone to leave.
Destroyers to me are people that bitch about every topic that isn't about killing nigger, kikes, and sandniggers. Total destroys the urge to post anything. Where builder build the site with new content unlike the 1/3 reposts I see constantly here. Fuck it's like 1/3 of the people here just copy the rest for points and now I have to wade through a ton of crap I've seen posted 20 times already. Also destroyer are whiny bitches that downgrade a post they just read the headline to and haven't even clicked the fucking thing. That reminds me of Reddit. OMG your such a racist for posting that topic. Same attitude from another perspective so bitchy little cunts will be their designation.
Nasa is not really the best example... BUT You are absolutely correct. I hadn't really thought of it that way but You are completely and totally correct. Honestly my question is ... Where do we go next? We have time but really? I remember Poal?
The best part of Voat is the community. Voat is nothing without it, just as Reddit is nothing without theirs, and as you can see it is slowly dying for not standing up to reason.
As users, we all have very little control in the general operations of Voat, but if the community is real, it is possible to build actual things that are not just on Voat. The problem, as I see it, is that there are very little ways to build something positive in the real world if it puts a very real target on your back.
You're forgetting the time around when Victoria was fired and then all the bans on fatpeoplehate, coontown, niggers, etc. Like Hysterical said, 2014-2015 was when there was a sea change for the worse.
I am feeling the sea change happening now on voat. Do you feel it too?
They likely have proof but no reason to show it to others, none at all. Maybe it was a bunch of SJW's messaging each other of some PEDO's messaging to give each other websites address that have that sick content. If he posted that message he'd be putting up link to pedo sites and that would not be a smart thing. I think legally it's smarter to just do it and not post it, you can sue for anything now adays and without evidence for their side he keeps his side strong. Just common legal sense no to do that shit. We should kind of just mind out own business since you don't see him asking for naked pictures of your wives or girlfriends so give him the same respect and keep out of his decision making. It's the manly thing to do so we don't sound like a bunch of judgmental SJW's in everyones business.
Now that is a valid reason. It's not that you are challenging his ownership but you want to be heard as a person to stay, that is the most normal thing I've read today. Hell worth a shot but there are other places to go so it's not like the world is ending.
This whole move will start out good... It will stay good for a while, but as time goes on it will likely change. Situations will come up and mission creep will happen. Eventually the 'dictator' will start to shape Voat into HIS image as opposed to that of the people here. The reason I say this is this... Can any of you lay out for me the specific and easily understandable and applicable rules that describe a 'builder' or a 'destroyer'? That is the queston... I only kinda know. Most leftists will say that we are ALL destroyers! Always keep that in mind.
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that Voat is yet another honey pot similar to Godlyke. there's some great guys on here, but I agree w OP and now we have more fucking shills on here than ever, with no oversight on this JIDF invasion. meh.. better to take action in your local community than online anyways.
Dude, explain to me how to identify a shill. Their IP address doesn't say DNC, they don't put fuck conservatives as part of their username. So exactly what is your superpower that you can identify a shill. Really I'd like to hear this one, can you go into the digital world and enter their computers and spy on them.
Lets have my full opinion, I wish someone would nuke the middle east, fuck the oil, just get rid of the religion of piece forever. Sure the jews die to but I don't care anymore about any of them over there. Life is to short to put up with the bullshit from that region of the world for a century and a milenium if you include the crusades also.
It is a weird position and I wish we had more answers about how decisions were made. I also want to point out the large number of pedo accounts that got nuked.
SImple, he makes them and whoever is cut leaves whoever isn't stays or leaves if they choose. He's an owner of a website, not your buddy and it's his personal business and choice to do whatever he wants.
You are 100% right, the best comments I have seen simply want more light shed on what was done to decide. The bottom tier comments are the ones have that been vitriolic about and were caught for being malicious.
Damn, that brought back memories. The fun part was when they took away the gun and you learned that rocks made them bang also and if you stacked them up it was loud like a firecracker and burned the shit out of your fingers to.
You know, to me it's unfortunate that there isn't a lot of transparency here even though I am sure they have good reasons for that.
It's just we are so used to having to parse the facts through hardcore investigative efforts when we are presented with a narrative. That's part of Voat culture. It would just be a breath of fresh air if we didn't have to speculate and create theories from official admin announcements.
I think Voat has a lot of good and genuine users, but Voat also has a lot of eyes on it with sinister intent. I can understand why people play their cards close to the chest and share their info with a privileged in-crowd.
I don't think you'll ever get official confirmation and validation for the questions you're asking. But it'd be nice.
What do you mean no transparency. Putt's is actually making public what he is doing instead of just sitting back from a chair and not stating any reasons like twitter facebook or reddit.
Putt's is a decent guy however, he is lacking in persuasion. I fully believe he comes from a good place however his articulation of his good intentions are misinterpreted.
All I got was an accusation and a threat/warning. There was no rule or violation cited, and I don't believe I violated any known rule. It's interesting how someone suddenly stabbing you in the front can change your whole attitude.
Your account has been flagged for vote manipulation. You risk being banned if you continue. This is just a friendly warning. P.S. We know they most likely deserved it!
What's the violation or reason? More than one downvote to a single account? Something else? How is anyone to know what this even means?
I received the same message verbatim. I do not use an alt. In my time here I have created a handful but i use them for a couple weeks and then stop and can't get into any of them anymore. I haven't logged into an alt in a year I think. I absolutely Do Not use an alt to manipulate voting. That is 100% a false accusation.
I can only conclude I got a warning for DVing particular accts when they'd piss me of for something. I stand by that as my right to do so. And what is the limit for that if it's supposed to be wrong? 10 comments? If I DV 10 of your comments am I to be banned? 15? And where is this rule stated n ANY form? It's not, I broke no rules.
I've been lurking. I had a day recently where I behaved poorly in my judgement. So I'm doing a cool down period and mostly just reading. Even on this subject I'm keeping mostly silent to see what the Voat collective thinks/does and what Putts next msg will be.
Thanks for saying so. I'm not sure what I bring to Voat really. So, thanks. I'm not going anywhere just yet.
I've heard plenty of people voice their concerns. but it all ultimately comes down to the fact that although Voat news aggregation is democratic, Voat site administration is not; it's a private enterprise.
Killstream/The Ralph Retort got the interview with him this week on the back of the recent Vice break-in drama.
Does strange porn-fic audiobooks or some shit. Very weird character. Another of these oddball internet guys who lives in sketchy 3rd world countries.
The way I see it "builders" are just effortposters or high-quality OC posters, while "destroyers" are fedposters/glowniggers (aka the reason Voat was under investigation recently, which is probably why Putt made the post). Putt is totally justified in that respect.
Then how long until I get banned for naming the jews? Besides if it was effortposters then Empress would be considered a builder. A lot of well known Goats are not considered builders, but the Q mods are.
Is she one now? 2 days ago when the drama was going on she wasn't and the builders were 1 kike who constantly begs for people to donate to his coinbase, and 2 Q mods that were reddit powermods and retroactively banning people for things they said months ago. Putt couldn't have chosen a worse 1st batch of examples.
(aka the reason Voat was under investigation recently, which is probably why Putt made the post).
Why not just ban them for illegal content? Why differentiate between builders and destroyers if it's just about legal threats?
while "destroyers" are fedposters/glowniggers
I don't like resorting to assumptions.
I believe that voat, even if it loves unfiltered speech, would be very understanding when it comes to deleting (possibly) illegal threats and content. I see no reason to be vague if that were the case.
However it's easy to argue that people who are hostile to newcomers (calling them "niggerfaggots") or who are overly annoying to outsiders (ie. mocking and trolling in v/QRV, which admittedly I occasionally do) are "destroyers" in the eyes of puttitout for turning people away from voat.
I recall that puttitout voiced in the past that he dislikes the way voat treats newcomers and is disappointed in it's growth.
If I'm right about this interpretation of destroyer it could easily explain why he is kinda vague as it would alienate a good chunk of voat. As far as I can tell many (most?) here value unfiltered speech more than sharing content. @TheodoreKent
as an owner of a site that has accepted groups I'd rather not have here
This paints a picture that putt is trying to make voat into "reddit but right-leaning" instead of "reddit but everyone calls you a nigger and a faggot and posts about hitler and white pride", which I understand from a business perspective.
That explains why Q shit is being propped up. Conservative but still more marketable than posting "the greatest story never told". Come to think of it that's probably why antivax stuff is spinning up here, you get to feel subversive but it's still marketable.
"Builder" and "Destroyer" are thought terminating cliches that can be used to purge accounts for resisting the new, more marketable voat. We're a couple of rounds of bans away from "Destroyer" being used colloquially on voat in the same way that "nazi" is used in western society. "It just means that's the bad guy and we need to get rid of them don't ask why what are you a Destroyer or something?"
The VPN giveaway was literally asking people to submit pictures of themselves, which could be benign but would be absolutely intolerable in the kind of place where people are doing subversive things. You don't go on the chans and ask everyone in an "it's ok to be white" op to post a fun selfie.
it pisses me off that these former people are less accepting than Voat was towards them. It's bullshit.
Sounds like he's mad that people aren't falling in line with the direction he wants the site to go in, so we're gonna get some vague explanations, account purges, fun badges for complying, we'll get a couple of enemies to rally against, the rules will start to change out from under us, and voat will turn to a bland, inoffensive reddit clone full of boomer memes where the trump is ripped and has a full head of hair but you can get banned if you say it's ok to be white or criticize israel.
and anecdotally - "less accepting?" all I had to do was create an account and scroll through without posting for a while, get the feel of the place, and then start posting. Pretty sure that track still works. Yes I've been called a faggot, nigger, jewish shill, etc. if that's enough to make you shut down and leave then the world around you is going to kick your teeth in for decades without ever making eye contact. I'd like to not be called those things. I'd also like to never get fired or lose at anything, but you can't ban slings, arrows and outrageous fortune.
I don't know, this doesn't strike me as the place to start banning people for being meanie-heads. But I guess that's the change that management's trying to affect.
"Builder" and "Destroyer" are thought terminating cliches
I agree.
Now when he originally posted that Poem I hoped he merely wanted to encourage more original content ("building") over us grumbling about the current state of society all the time. Voat does lack non-political or positive content. I understand for voats admin to encourage more original and positive content.
And that he would not focus on "destroyers". I'd like to have more people like Empress around but I don't want voats free speech absolutism and radical aspects to be banned or contained.
I also think users here should always have the right to complain about reddit style moderators on v/all. But this means that it will be very difficult to establish safe spaces and containment subverses and therefore to attract more normies.
In an edit to his latest update he called people who downvoated his submission Destroyers. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3239483 I don't think that's a good sign.
We're a couple of rounds of bans away from "Destroyer" being used colloquially on voat in the same way that "nazi" is used in western society.
He will have to wait more years before he can do that and not alienate most of his "customers".
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404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
VPNs are less safe than TOR. It's really simple, TOR has many nodes and no centralized auditing. VPNs are single node with centralized auditing (logs). See what happened to lavabit and you'll see why no VPNs are safe.
I use VPNs just for watching netflix and getting around Geo-restrictions ONLY. Although, sadly, using a VPN just flags my connection in way that makes it more likely to be monitored by an analyst. I sure as heck wouldn't use a VPN for something dirty (which I don't even do unless being a racist is somehow illegal).
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
This website is compromised with lot's of
TOR isn't compromised, VPN companies are compromised and 1000x easier to track than TOR. They hand over their logs to the government in realtime and that just flags you as suspicious for trying to hide.
SchwazaRifleCoffeeCo ago
Kevdude is protectvoat. Of course it's a fucking cabal.
KVD ago
Actually a pretty solid post. I was expecting it to be off the rails based on putts reference.
ExpertShitposter ago
Mentioning builders and destroyers in a general sense is realistic, its how it kind of works. Member sanegoat? That was a true destroyer.
But actually naming names is was unnecessary. But what really suppressed, and severely disappointed me, was when putt called sryzy-boomer, a ban happy redditor, "the builder". Her recent actions stand in stark contrast against the "spirit" of voat.
Shared a thought about it here: https://voat.co/v/Voat/3239483/18822916
She eint no fucking builder. Shes a flat earther. https://voat.co/v/whatever/3242951/18838445/10#18838445
Pooh_on_a_Jew ago
Oh it gets better. He's made attacks on you as a result of this
Seems your now a "Destroyer" goyim.
bizzywiz ago
actually it's likely all about people getting sick and tired of assholes causing trouble just for the sake of causing trouble...or worse being PAID shills (employer obviously being a commie pinko KIKE faggot)
free speech is all fine and dandy, but those that simply want to cause strife to tear things down are in a nutshell the same breed of father rapers who are in Antifa, descendants of Bolshevik (((kikes))), etc...
or put another way, those invested in getting this place shut down...fuck 'em, ban 'em, @ them
shawnfromnh69 ago
I am on two other sites and visit here. I just thought this entire lets bitch like women thread was to good to pass up talking how the average person on it was acting like college women niggers demanding the college do what they want. We all thought that was ridiculous and here we are with a bunch of the guys here doing the same thing acting like sheboons.
ThisIsMyRealName ago
I see you tagged @atko. Where has he been? Does he no longer voat at all? I kind of miss him, no offense to putts.
scrimmmy ago
I just want a place on the web where i can name the jew and its lapdog niggers. Am i asking too much?
TheBuddha ago
I wonder if @puttitout recently read Ishmael?
zyklon_b ago
notice he resorts to insults and personal attacks rather than address the issues
zyklon_b ago
our joy comes from the screams of they chidrens as the bern
zyklon_b ago
what can make us laugh can also make em cry
Womb_Raider ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they were Tribal, that's certain... anyway, good to see you putting out some good discourse. I'm glad Putt respects you enough to respond.
He would never respond to me even had I said the same thing verbatim.
Keep fighting the good fight and collect more guns. In three decades or less, we will need 'em.
Womb_Raider ago
He's one of 'em, TK. If we could go back more than 19 pages of comment history, you could learn a lot about his account but... I feel like it's obscured to prevent research under the guise of saving cost. I still remember when that change was made, do you?
I'm just really tired of it all. I miss when voat was good. When we all hung out in chat and talked about world events in real time without the provocateurs intentionally interrupting us. We tried to move when they did so, and they demonized us and said we were trying to hurt people, so they prevented that too.
And now they're being called builders. The same people who are trying to (C_Corax) take QRV away and moderate it. The same people who made "GreatAwakening" when Q obviously said QRV was to be the subverse used, seeking to undermine that. These are the 'builders' now.
We live in a clown world through and through.
ratsmack ago
The paranoia runs deep... just can't understand.
Womb_Raider ago
You know my opinion on it all... it doesn't surprise me at all that kevdude gets his first mention as a builder. And Srayzie? Honestly I think she's a propagandist. But I'm a broken record as far as that's concerned.
It just tells me that he really has always been supportive of SBBH personalities and I should probably find some other place to hang out, but there's very little out there.
Womb_Raider ago
I appreciate the ping, I'm asking myself these same questions TK. The free VPN made me really question the quality and integrity of PIA.
NPC-57981209 ago
Things aren't looking good. Perhaps Putt is forced to do this and those posts were our dog-whistle warning. The internet is not free, and it is only a matter of time before that becomes as clear as day for everyone, at which point it will be too late to do anything about it. Voat can't withstand an attack by webhosts and ISPs -- nothing can.
We shouldn't seek refuge here at Voat. This is where we convene, research, and organize, but we achieve nothing by being refugees other than giving them all the time they want to mobilize before they pull the trigger. By being out there on Reddit/Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/IRL, dropping all kinds of red pills, we force them to pull the trigger sooner than they want to. The most effective red pill is when the enemy shows its face -- which they will do eventually, when they have total control and the people no longer can be a threat to them -- so let's accelerate that process while we still have some freedom and power left.
Voat is currently our sanctuary, but it can disappear without we even noticing, slowly in secret (disappearing posts) or abruptly. Archive as much as you can, download and keep local drives of important shit. If Voat disappears tomorrow, what would you have wished that you had saved but didn't? Brace yourselves for a full-blown information war.
virge ago
Open messages to tip where I suggested I could do Crypto and they said that'd be great - click the link to observe. I literally sent you the evidence. Then, three PM's asking for specific coins.
The answer is yes. This cannot possibly be a hard concept for you. You're intelligent enough to see this, so I'm still trying to understand why you're on such a warpath.
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NiggerVirus ago
This website belongs to @PuttItOut , He can run it however he wants. Of course he's going to have his own definition of which users are Builders and who are Destroyers. No one's being censored here or being banned because they say things he doesn't like so stop your moaning and complaining you little girls. Enjoy the place for what it is and try to have some fun for fuck sake. I fuck my mom.
Rodjers04 ago
This is clown world. Up is down. Left is right. Immorality is sacred. Builders are destroyers. Destroyers break the chains placed on us by the builders.
NeedleStack ago
I'm still going through all the comments. Good stuff!
DintDoNothin ago
We need to know who this Angel is now
virge ago
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3242126/18832287
Presented without further comment because I can't possibly imagine how you could have real beef with me for linking a bunch of posts with > 10 views and > 5 upvoats every day to re-engage content that got overlooked.
bourbonexpert ago
I sincerely have never heard of the term builders or destroyers on voat. Sorry to be a party pooper
KVD ago
If you don't have anything to say then shut the fuck up. At least make a joke. Noob.
bourbonexpert ago
Lolwut? Nigger, I’ve been here 4+ years. Hahahahaha
Fuck you faggot. Sorry I own my own business and actually have a life rather than knowing all the Interview season of this website. Is this a troll? Seriously, are you fucking joking with me?
KVD ago
Cool, what kind of business?
bourbonexpert ago
Warehouse Distrobution coordinations
Climhazzard ago
https://voat.co/v/Voat/3223356
bourbonexpert ago
Thanks, but I’m not reading all that shit. I don’t care.
fuchs_davis ago
The links are there for anyone to read for themselves. I already gave you more than enough consideration when I answered your call for proof when it's still been days since I asked you for yours (when you called me a shill account to manufacture consensus).
CP is speech. It's speech you don't like. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not speech. If it's not "free" speech, that's because it comes at someone else's expense, which is not what you said. You said it wasn't speech, flat out.
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NeedleStack ago
Well I'm sure Putt thinks of Empress and Middle_Path as builders but hasn't gotten around to compiling his full list for publication lol.
Rotteuxx ago
Yeah, it was much more important to virtue signal to 2 "builders" and a community destroying nut case bitch.
NeedleStack ago
Are you referring to Srayzie as the community destroying nut case bitch? I admit I haven't followed the drama surrounding her sub.
Rotteuxx ago
Who else has been attacking voat colonizers but being hailed as a builder ? ;)
Gotta take care of a few things right now, I'll send you links when I get back.
NeedleStack ago
Damn! OK, cool. I look forward to your links.
Rotteuxx ago
Here she publicly posts a PM Triggs sent her to explain & warm her about bad actors and proceeds to attack her over it :
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3239438/
The post triggs is banned for is 2 months old, she had to dig for it right after she had just unbenned her :
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/banned/
Kev's post about it before he did a 180 on his own principles about cancer mods :
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3237969/
NeedleStack ago
Oh dear. Publishing that highly detailed PM and banning someone based on a 2 month old post is extremely tacky! That Kev post was too heavy with backstory for me to understand what's really going on there. All I gotta say is there is too much drama on voat lol! Everyone needs to calm down and get back to exposing the 'deep state' and posting OC like artwork and welding techniques. ;)
fuchs_davis ago
I call you out for it here; scroll up for context.
I call you out for avoiding the question, here. And @heygeorge tries his best to rescue your silent ass
Inb4 "that wasn't an exact quote!"
Kev "photos are not speech" Dude, everybody. How do I cash in my successful "inb4 hominem"?
heygeorge ago
Lol, @kevdude probably got bored. During our exchange you were unable to address the principal difference and acknowledge it. Once BTFO you got awfully quiet.
fuchs_davis ago
Lolol. You and I explained how photography is a different medium than painting but not how it is a different profession. The painter and the photographer are both artists. The Art Department teaches courses in both media.
scandalous-goat ago
Still living with your kike roommates?
fuchs_davis ago
I hypothesise that the post where @puttiitout specifically names @kevdude as a "builder" rather than a destroyer was damage control because I pointed out that the original "builder vs destroyer" post was posted mere minutes after kevdude destroyed the common knowledge definition of free speech by saying that calligraphy, or lithography, or cartography are all speech but photography isn't.
Literally destroying the definition of free speech, and so he needs to be specifically called a builder to mitigate the loss of influence that results from such destruction.
Distasteful speech is still speech. Hateful speech is still speech. Disgusting speech is still speech.
Kevdude wants to silence speech he doesn't like without looking like a hypocrite for all the subs /mods he destroyed for doing the same thing. So he redefines speech he doesn't like as non-speech. Inb4 he demands we dig past page nine of his comments to prove it (which only goes back 17 days). Inb4 my ccp goes back to zero for saying this. Inb4 "shill/kike/account age" ad hominem. Inb4 "I know you are but what am I?"
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antiliberalsociety ago
It's the tactic liberals use to convict or demonize before a crime has been committed. Case in point: Gun Control. They pass restrictive laws for shit that is either rare, or COULD happen. If you ban because someone MIGHT post illegal content, that's basically communism. I had a friend at work fired, FUCKING FIRED because a feminist coworker said he MIGHT shoot up the place.
Concern trolling is creating a scare tactic to get people to support Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
Ina_Pickle ago
Obrez was one of the 1st people I bumped into when I joined the site. I didnt always talk with Smokratez, but I always liked reading what he had to say.
Vic_V ago
mom and dad please stop fighting. Theodore raises fair points. And what happens if its you banned tomorrow for "vote manipulation" done by someone else to promote you?
EdSnowden got banned and he posted about no Canary updates. Thats proof for me Voat is handing over logs to a government. By being US based its basically the law he has to.
Ina_Pickle ago
This is the first time I have ever felt uncomfortable on this site. Like I need to watch what I write.
middle_path ago
This, kevdude being listed was a huge red flag for me. Hard to think of a more divisive user to highlight.
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Vic_V ago
You have put into more words, my thoughts, eloquently. Thank you.
alalzia ago
No they didn't , who the fuck cares about CCP ? We know who we know after meeting them in the comments section , did you ever check the CCP "credentials" before replying to a user under a comment worth replying ?
Yes this is true yet we are talking about ~100 out of 20000 active accounts . I gave like 2000 upvotes to new users that came in v/Cringeanarchy do i get a budge or a honorable mention in the builders list ?
All this is very very disappointing , as an old guy who made his first account in a forum back in the 90's i have seen it way too may times to know where it leads . VOAT 's only selling points are free speech and trust in the admin and the second is starting to fade .
Jeww ago
If a user like him does not end up with “builder” status then I’ll be rock sure that I don’t want to be a part of that club.
That would mean he’s a ‘Destroyer’ and that’s the club that I would want to join (and have).
Jeww ago
No one knows me or cares, but I’ll say my shit.
@Middle_path is absolutely one of the most trust worthy users. Just an honest guy with flaws, which is zen state.
middle_path ago
Oy vey! The Jeww named me!
I appreciate you and @TheodoreKent having my back. Hard to stay sincere/honest after years on this site. Glad a few "sane goats" are still around.
Goys-R-Us ago
They are, I swear.
alele-opathic ago
I'll happily cast my lot in with yours as well.
Things can look a bit bleak at times.
Jeww ago
Thanks man. I’ve gone by rapekathygrifin, walnutmeat, a bunch of em and always remember you being a real model user.
If you aren’t quick to be named as a builder, imo, that means builders are gay lemmings.
Gorillion ago
Middle_path is disingenuous. Concern trolls a lot. Played the centrism-is-the-3rd-way bullshit card while the Overton Window's "center" was still clearly insanely biased towards liberal progressivism. Only really shut up about it when all the known eceleb centrist goons crashed and burned.
He's not here to "build" the community, only subvert it or act as a kind of sea anchor to the rightward drift.
middle_path ago
"concern trolling" has got to be one of the dumbest terms on this site.
lexsird ago
Frankly, I don't give a fuck. I've always thought this was a 'honeypot' and just assumed all of you nigger faggots are a big collection of 'glow in the dark' types. I'm not worried about it. If free speech is that far gone, it's well past time to ventilate any fucking glow in the dark types that come sniffing around my door.
I figure this will break one of two ways. We the freedom loving people of America win this cultural WW3 or we don't. If we win, all the leftist shitheads and operatives that I've trolled into exposing themselves will be hunted down in real life. You're welcome. If we lose, I'll not be alone in the gulag. Or they'll just kill me. Oh well, it's not like I haven't faced fuckers wanting to murder me. Gee, what will I do? Die this time? lol We'll see. I digress.
Frankly though, if I was a glow in the dark type, I'd not be worried about this place an iota. Lots of blowhards that are smart enough not to break any laws by calling for violence in an illegal sort of way. Nobody is organizing here. If they are, they sure as fuck left me out. Good. Fuck off, I don't need you or want you. But I doubt there is.
I'd watch the Q-Tards because frankly they're too stupid to be ignored. They're hyped up boomer idiots and the chance of them doing something something is low, but with that kind of stupid, you can't be sure.
I bet the code to this place is so lose you could drop spyware on everyone coming through. The admins wouldn't even know if it was really deep state jacking with it. They could 'man in the middle' the fuck out of it. After all it's not on its own servers with a highly trained security team keeping it from being jacked with. So I imagine any jr g man with a basic 'glow in the dark' nigger kit could be in here like a literal 'script kiddie'. It's not 'if it's a honeypot', it's how big of a priority is it?
Yup, I can imagine they just take a passing interest at Voat. They might assign a team of fuck offs who need relegated to shit duty to watch it. It's not as big as the chans, who are the real shakers and movers, crap filters down to this place and really isn't cutting edge. It's about the speed of an uncensored facebook. Keep an eye on it to see if anything interesting crops up. Shit duty for shitheads.
The real nut to crack would be private boards. No way to join them and fuck with them, prod them, poke them and see if they roar. You'd have to figure out who's a blow hard LARPer having a cathartic rant and who's a real threat, all without the benefit of 'stimulating' them for a discernible clue to their nature.
If they are a seeming 'threat', then it's on to digging in their shit, from phone conversations and other media that can be peaked at. Then boom, you've got all their contacts, friends, associates. It then becomes apparent if they are a threat or not or just blowing steam.
Myself? I'm weaponized boredom. Glow in the dark agencies probably have me listed as 'lethal boredom'. If they dig into me, they risk the chance of agents becoming disillusioned because of the pure boredom, get depressed and just kill themselves as they realize that their life has been reduced to chasing people like me. Bored out of their skulls. lol /wrist
I've probably teased them with some of the shit I say, then they look into me and go "FUCK!!! NOTHING! omfg. I hate life. I'm so bored! I just wasted more of my life reading this wall of text! WHY??"
For the lols, I say. For the lolz.
TestForScience ago
Make them website; they say you don’t exist anymore.
Attempt to make an inspirational quote; they say you’re trying to be a demigod.
Get rid of the (fake)user accounts being used to game the system; they say you’re trying to silence their 40 account’s voices.
Get rid of the user accounts that are targeting and brigading specific users to silence their voice; they say you’re trying to remove their ability to silence their target’s voices... as if this were a bad thing. Offer them a free trial to a tool that protects their anonymity; they say you’re trying to doxx them.
Try to give a “my view on the matter”; they call you an Illuminati owned goon.
I can’t wait to have to find another site that allows free speech, after Voat is abandoned and shuttered by Putt because he’s sick of his own creation bitch slapping him everytime he shows his face.
The one fucking company on the planet that’s even attempted to advertise on a site like this and it turns into an embarrassing backhand from a community that constantly reinforces the idea of online anonymity;
The non stop “biting the hand that feeds you,” can’t possible be a rewarding experience.
I’m going to assume that these posts and comments, along with the downvoats (that they claim shouldn’t exist anyways) are from the majority of users that got bans and warnings for their Voat manipulations.
These people don’t want a community because they are NOT builders.
Atleast, that’s my interpretation of the post that came from the owner of the website that allows you free speech, gets you free deals from an internet security company, and bans those that would maliciously abuse the voating system.
NymphantTree ago
I think I am a destroyer? I have no idea. Sounds cool though.
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
Initially I like the idea of builders and destroyers. But then I saw I wasn't on the list of builders and now I hate it.
But seriously, this is just cliquey popularity contest. They always happen in all groups. It's happened before, it's happening now, and it will happen again. I'm also in the spirit of calling it out as I don't think these types of super user alliances are healthy for the ethos of this website. More of an anonymous solo-wolf type myself and I don't see the point in submitting to someone else's authority when that's exactly what I and others escaped from.
Mittermeyer ago
Yeah I dislike him for that alone.
virge ago
So, imagine if you did something and someone came along and said, "Hey. I think your time was worth something to me, and I'd like to know if I could tip you for it.
Your stance is both that:
1) Everyone absolutely must say no to thius. 2) Anyone who allows this is not OK.
If that's so, it's pretty hilarious that you would have this opinion. I can't help but wonder what kind of world you live in.
Rotteuxx ago
Explain why the people who have actually build and never destroyed in 4+ years are glossed over but he mentions you for something you just did now and 2 shit disturbers, one who never built much and the other who's been destroying the community these past few days ?
virge ago
I don't think I have any opinion on the whole builder thing. I don't know what Putt has going on and I don't know what motivated him for the other users. I can certainly see a situation where that list would have just been 2 users prior to me deciding to start up a community initiative. I'm just along for the ride on that one.
I think if you are looking for explanations on something Putt said it's somewhat unfair to ask me to try to interpret, with how little knowledge I have it will result in a poor interpretation - so I've given you what I do know and recommend you take your question to the source because I have no skin in that game and do not desire to advocate one way or the other.
I don't even interact with the other two users, so I don't frequent the places on Voat they reside.
Voat is a big place. The only explanation I could possibly give is that for a very long time I was in the middle, and at various points I have been what Putt describes as a "Destroyer" - but that was long ago, Voat was much bigger, and I am currently watching the community shrink in size to the point where I have begun to take action to at least do some minimal acts to make it grow. Just my two cents.
zyklon_b ago
lies
virge ago
& slander?
zyklon_b ago
libel in delaware
virge ago
In 1990.
zyklon_b ago
indeed brother indeed
THSenior ago
Kike
Mittermeyer ago
Pretty sure the one rubbing their hands together and asking for shekels for selectively distributing the news is the kike.
THSenior ago
Because the skills and time required to make it are worth nothing right? You're a fucking communist pinko kike, best case scenario.
Gorillion ago
Like the Scientologist code-word "Suppressive Persons".
It means someone who breaks or has the potential to break the conditioning of the cult member.
A "negative influence" placed against the "positive influence" of the cult.
NeedleStack ago
I agree with everything but want to comment on this part:
To me, that's way overthinking it. I really believe it was a simple case of, 'Let's change our site name to reflect the voting aspect. Let's call it Voat. Cool. What logo should we have? Something that rhymes with Voat. A goat! What should it look like? Let's use our up and downvoat buttons as its horns? Perfect!'
OK, a goat so happens to be the symbol of Baphomet but it doesn't necessarily follow that our goat has anything to do with the occult.
The_Venerable ago
The year is 2021:
"Hey guys, Puttitout here. To improve the quality of content posted here on Voat, all users who do not yet have the builder badge will be limited to the /v/destroyers subverse. Posts in the /v/destroyers subverse have a chance to be reposted sitewide by one of our trusted builders. Shaloms ✡"
Hysterical ago
Or even what you know.
It's one of the reasons I sort of understand calling the negative influences destroyers. They have on more than one occasion nearly destroyed my will to be here.
WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
It's weird that there's a fuckton of people engaging in this meta conversation but I only recognize a few of them.
ViperCarbz ago
Then your sub is banned and you realize how nice your parent's basement is.
Mittermeyer ago
Wait the recap guy is a builder but Empress is not? Okay now I know there is something fucked up going on.
ViperCarbz ago
Pretty strange when the real OP posts his poetry. But, I'll take this sloppy mess over other "open" alternatives.
Derpfroot ago
Honestly, what would you do in any event?
A. Angel investor is normal guy that just wants voat to live.
B. Angel investor is feds and wants to track you/us closer.
C. Angel investor is SJW that will eventually destroy voat.
Either way you're still here so you can't be too concerned, IMO. Why keep stirring up shit? I understand wanting to know, but people are sounding paranoid at this point.
Intrixina ago
With A there is no harm, no foul. If I had "fuck you" money I'd fund such a project, as I think a lot of goats would do as well.
If it's C - do you think that we'd just stand by and let that shit happen? The moment they started implementing SJW shit we'd be ripping heads off. Even if they cut off the funding, we'd know that shit was up.
I think the only danger would be if it were B. And I'm pretty sure that most of us are already on some sort of list anyway, so that kind of negates B as well.
Hysterical ago
But how does that analogy translate to Voat?
The destructive forces here or whatever you want to call them, they're not providing a necessity like a fertilized field. They're at best providing a balance, but if they're here to manipulate and harass people, I'm sorry but I just don't see how a purely negative influence has some positive side effect. I have nearly quit this website altogether on a few occasions because I was just tired of what I viewed as fairly transparent brigading.
Also from a purely logical perspective, Voat has been under attack for years. How many ddos attacks have we suffered? Media assaults. The list goes on. So... why would they not attempt to infiltrate if all else failed?
This is something that tptb do. They monitor and control opinions and beliefs by weaving an intricate web. You don't get webs without spiders.
WhiteRonin made a post about being warned, and the thread was full of disinformation and outright deceit.
Oveass ago
I did not know about v/motorhead
I'm arguing that putt is using the wrong semantics and no definition of his intended meaning. I agree you value this site. And putt does too so he wants to show that.
Hysterical ago
I used to always ask you how your book was coming along.
I agree we could use more transparency. We still do have more than pretty much every other website though.
slickleg64 ago
Everyone knows one day this site will become too big, too mainstream, too reddit tier. And everyone who gives a shit will have to move to poal
Hysterical ago
I have on several occasions seen Pyro commenting and posting stuff that I considered very suspicious. I remember him in Voat chat and always got a weird feeling about him. I was more or less convinced he was here to stir shit... And now he's banned.
I don't know what else to say, obviously I'm biased. Everyone tends to like having their preconceived notions validated.
Putt did warn us in a post a few months back that this was going to happen. He warned the "destroyers", and mentioned that some of them are very active well known users. He wanted to give them one last chance. Turns out he gave them another couple months to smarten up and they didnt.
CarthOSassy ago
Hey, @Put Tit Out,
Read my palms. Tell me, am I Builder or a Destroyer? And does that mean you're dtf or what? Stop being so tsundere.
More seriously... What the fuck is this? We all know that there's a certain sexless fraction of Voat that is hellbent on making sure no one new enters their special butt-friends bigotry mayonaise party. Is this Putt trying to push back on that, to please the mighty investor? Or is it him trying to facilitate it?
Oveass ago
I'm feeling mixed on this.
I don't put much value in badges.
I do think there is merit (being @puttitout) into showing appreciation for the people that help actively contribute to your 'project' (life's work at this point) and I'm convinced that the people committed to building up this website will appreciate the badge.
The definitions of builder and destroyer don't exist. I can't even say they are vague. There just aren't any. It's an incredibly subjective choice from Putt.
The people highlighted in his post are not according to my subjective definition of "builder"
4a. @virge however nice the concept, the account is still suspect to me. It's a 4 year old inactive account. First contribution he does make happens 4 years after he created an account yet that makes him a builder?? I'm not even convinced yet that Virge makes his post in good faith. So far it's been 3 posts over 2 weeks? There are people like @needlestack that have build a community around their hobby for 4 years straight that were not mentioned. Imo Glownigger
4b. While @kevdude has definitely been an active member of voat. I would definitely not subscribe him as a builder. Kevdude has organised mobs and destroyed much more accounts/moderators/ec than any other on this site. His posts are either jokes with his ingroup or crusades against people he perceives negatively (usually for censorship of other people, sure, but not every time) Is kevdude's activism necessary? You can argue yes. But these actions are still destructive. Imo destroyer
4c. I don't follow the Qtards or @srayzie much so I wouldn't know. I do know it's a long standing account that created and builded a Q subverse 2 years before the Reddit ban and subsequent soyboy invasion. Imo builder
And I agree with the other reply here about NASA yes men. It's about personality types in the end. People like empress, middlepath, rotteux etc are people that clearly want to contribute in a positive amicable way. Kevdude definitely values voat, but the way he shows this is 180° the other way. And critics, opposition and different viewpoints are needed.
TLDR: I think builder is the wrong label. It's not defined and the connotation does not fit the way putt wants to use it. But I do agree in the concept of showing appreciation for your active username.
TheAntiZealot ago
I fully agree with your assessment system. Not necessarily your conclusions, simply because I don't know who these accounts are. But your system for determining what connotes building versus destroying is fundamentally correct.
If I may draw a Punnett square (warning, I cannot):
_________ Builder____Destroyer Good_______A__________B____ Evil_________C__________D____
Where,
A = One who creates engines, systems, or self-perpetuating communities (AKA memes) that benefit the youthful and generate healthy interactions.
B = One who dismantles engines, systems, or self-perpetuating communities (AKA memes) that make pawns of the youthful and poison healthy interactions.
C = One who creates engines, systems, or self-perpetuating communities (AKA memes) that make pawns of the youthful and poison healthy interactions.
D = One who dismantles engines, systems, or self-perpetuating communities (AKA memes) that benefit the youthful and generate healthy interactions.
And where,
"The youthful" = those who seek personal growth
"Healthy interactions" = communication that expands useful language for the purpose of solving personal problems and overcoming personal obstacles.
virge ago
Hover over my account. Read my bio. Realize how funny it is that you can still find almost four years of archives with my comments, posts, and replies on the open Internet and SearchVoat.co.
Puzzle complete for you? @TheodoreKent
NeedleStack ago
Yeah I don't get the suspicions about your account. I recognize your name as being a normal, regular contributor on here for AGES. Users are antsy that a lot of their questions have been unanswered and are looking sideways at a few people they don't recognize so I wouldn't take it too personally.
sdfgsdf232 ago
hey buddy sorry, I trying to inform us old schoolers.... kevdude has access to putts account (or whatever) and is posting under his name. The three global stickies are all drafted by kevdude.
and virge is a sketchy account as well
Just be carefull needle. voat is very fucking weird right now.
you might not recognize this name, but you know im legit.
-dial_indicator -cheeselane - twentyfive - & hundreds more
stay safe & strong, I wonder if cancel is still on here. here is some chill sound you, enjoy your morning.
https://youtu.be/7aqpE1rWNiA
NeedleStack ago
It has been easy to see who you are considering you sign your comments with 'dial'. :) Well, unless you have proof (and not just a strong suspicion) I think it's unfair to Kevdude and Putt to say Kev has access to Putt's account. If you consider my 'benefit of the doubt'-ness to be folly, then so be it.
Don't worry, I see that things on voat are a bit fucked. I just want to shitpost and share knitting patterns, ya know?
Thanks for the tune, I'm grooving to it in my headphones right now.
jkasdfhk7732 ago
https://youtu.be/buE7mWpBhtQ
here is another gem, take care stay strong & safe
sdfgsdf232 ago
I get it, tho I believe i'm not incorrect. Kevdude and I have been feuding for years. I also know Putts writing style, aswell many others. You really cannot conjure proof other than give posting knowledge.
When was the last time putt or atko made 3 global stickies concisely at 8 am CST. they are euro. Who is active at that time? kevdude. Plus the writing style is a dead giveaway.
happy you enjoyed the song, tech thieves are good stuff
https://youtu.be/snU6xA6TDus
NeedleStack ago
We don't need no stinkin' badges!
Wait, what? Are you calling me a glownigger? :( If so, no knit stocking cap for you!
Your 4b is right on the money. If I had been drinking coffee the moment I read Putt lathering him up and calling him a builder I would have spit it out on my computer lol!
TheAntiZealot ago
It was a rating for /u/virge
You were merely mentioned as a stark contrast. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
@Oveass
Ina_Pickle ago
This is my problem with calling Virge or even Empress builders. All they do is copy paste other peoples work. People like NeedleStack, that welder guy Rott, and the guy who give linux instruction are the real contributors.
But I like to think that every person who posts or comments is helping build the community, and often times the troublemakers are the people breathing life into the site with their drama.
VoatsNewfag ago
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3060750/17016495/10#17016495
NeedleStack ago
Yeah, I am not so interested in who exactly the Angel Investor is if it's some rich guy that wants us to stay free speech. You know how the left is; if they found out who he is they would ruin his life.
It'd be cool to generally know who the investor is; i.e., is it one person? A corporation?
Hysterical ago
There's a difference between constructive criticism and strictly malicious actions though and it seems a bit odd to me that you aren't acknowledging that distinction?
Jeww ago
What a bootlicking bitch.
It seems odd that you want to dance around drinking soylent instead of address the point: which is...good people were banned for secret reasons by a secretive admin who’s now divided the community into lap dogs and feral mutts.
I hate the way you phrased this commnet because I hear the low-T gears of denial between words.
GeneralDisposition ago
Obama style of speaking trouble you? That's what's up.
Hysterical ago
My two cents, good call posting this in the off hours.
That said, there are positive and negative influences on this website. I don't particularly like the builders / destroyers titles, but I understand why he's using them. I do agree that the blurb about Kevdude was a bunch of meaningless noise though.
I have for a long time now watched Voat and seen trends. I've always called out certain users of SBBH. Now I'm seeing many of them banned and warned. From what I've seen they are here almost strictly to destabilize and run D&C campaigns.
But there's also fishy stuff going on with Putt with the VPN give away which in and of itself wouldn't be too suspicious in my eyes, but asking for the middle finger picture seemed quite strange.
I can't fault the owner of the website wanting to highlight those who assist in making the website a better place nor singling those out who seem hell bent on making it a worse place.
From my perspective the only reason some of those users put the effort in to appear to be good Voaters simply so they have more influence. That is a known tactic used against forums.
Regarding the investor, lots of people have fuck you money. They might be investing out of their personal beliefs rather than for economic gain.
It could also be something malicious and I'm glad that you're raising these concerns because you're a user I've always respected.
Jeww ago
I like you better over on poal. Here you’re having to sound apologetic for noticing the admin is pozzed. Throw off your dirty old robes. Anyone who would trust this place from here has gone full retard. Putt has all but explicitly laid out the new direction and I actually think he’s (whoever runs his account now) laughing at anyone who can’t pick up the drift. Trust has been broken many time from the blackouts being avoidable, to shifty talk of an unarmed investor, veiled allusions to Fed intervention, then he changes Voat to invite only mere hours before a ban that ensnared common goats with years old accounts that can not petition for redress because they did not have alts and it’s invite only.
Hmmmmmm.
Get real faggots. See you a Poal. Much better vibe. JQ welcome. You get a Destroyer badge for joining now.
NeedleStack ago
If I ever go there I won't use the name NeedleStack. I'll retire it here. So if anyone registers there under my name they are imposters. Just wanted to make that public lol. They did that when I tried Phuks but I caught them and exposed them.
DayOfThePillow ago
Tell them to copy the CSS from here and I'm there, the site is fucking unreadable.
Jeww ago
It’s not that bad; The admin isn’t a slithering Jew. It’s run by an old goat who got sick of Putt’s shifty Jew ways.
@TheodoreKent is already there and many others. I’m sure he’ll completely ditch this place once the reality of these events and lingering questions take their toll. Goats are on Poal sounding pretty confused and upset for being banned with no warning and no course of appeal. If you’re honest with yourself, this whole string of events add up to a crystal clear picture of the future.
‘Destroyer’ is the new ‘deplorable’. Embrace what you are and jump the lemming train. Voat was great, now it’s gay, Poal is better, see you there.
DayOfThePillow ago
Tbf everywhere on the internet is watched, monitored, hell peoples own homes are with all the cameras and microphones they WILLINGLY place inside them. So what difference does it make if voat is run by whatever? I don't get it. Also Poal is still unreadable no matter what you say.
Jeww ago
That’s like saying all government is zogged so what’s it matter is your local sheriff is a rapist.
It matters.
You don’t have to condone his cabal. But you do by participating, accepting that he’s dirty, believing his karma isn’t passed to you directly or indirectly.
You’ll probably be banned eventually anyways. You’re nuts if you don’t believe Putt has a defined agenda that will take clearer shape as time goes and not paying attention if you believe that agenda is free speech focused in any way.
Poal has free speech. Here there are secret metrics that you have to follow to avoid a global ban, but you can’t know what they are. There are now two classes of users according to the admin...one he likes and one he doesn’t. The one he doesn’t can be banned and not understand why. It’s all creepy as fuck and not environment designed to promulgate true freedom of expression.
recon_johnny ago
Not a question.
LazyJello9 ago
You want this place to work? Either make everything anonymous or remove all visible scp CCP.. still show things that are popular on v/all but don't do it too to bottom, same as comments. Mix in some really unpopular comments with the popular ones. But again, hide the like/dislike crap.
It's Reddit tier and I don't need to be told what to like.
Proveitorloseit ago
Putt is 100% compromised.
I suspect this site is being used to corral offending IPs for a future use, perhaps if speech laws are eventually passed. This site would be a gold mine of incriminating evidence.
If you got a code from Putt for a free VPN, I wouldn't use it. Just shell out for a better one, it isn't worth the risk.
Putt is still just a man.
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
VPNs are less safe. Use tor.
WhiteChickens ago
Tor was compromised by the FBI and SS a long time ago, they started controlling exit nodes 15 years ago.
That's when a lot of big time hackers and carders started getting busted despite using it.
Nothing is safe but you're probably better off with the safest VPN you can find, only using it for things that are legal.
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
The VPNs are controlled by those guys much more locked down. If you get unlucky, it happens on tor. There is no getting unlucky on VPN, you are garunteed to not only get tracked by them, but become more of a target for standing out. You're best bet is to get a burner 4g hotspot and combine that with tor. TOR exit nodes don't matter, it only takes 1 untraceable middle node, the exit node won't know where you come from.
However, because the big eyes control all the ISPs, they can correlate the exit node, entry node and even middle nodes by just logging the ISP level connections between the nodes, it's just more difficult to observe and track that than a simple VPN.
AllSoTiresome ago
Hmmm, how hooked is your nose?
https://i.postimg.cc/dVMsygc1/Jews-tor.jpg
VPN's that don't keep logs are very safe.
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
See, this is what a gov agent looks like. They try to blend in by talking to the talk, then go on to make their disinformation statements.
All VPNs keep logs. It's either the operator keeps logs, or the end up in secret jail with no trial (see what happened to lavabit). It's been that way forever, those operating VPNs are crooks and liars and you would have to be tragically naive to buy a VPN accounting in the hopes that it protects you.
AllSoTiresome ago
https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tested-in-fbi-case-160312/
404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND ago
Read the bottom of that article: "Disclosure: PIA is a TorrentFreak sponsor."
I would look into this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit#Suspension_and_gag_order
These companies are given gag orders and the operators are thrown into jail right as they are served any form of papers and then quickly hurried into secret federal courtrooms. Nobody is in the VPN business at all for over a decade that keeps confidentially. All VPNs are honey traps.
LostandFound ago
Us law gives intelligence services an automatoc warrant to your devices for simply using tor or a vpn at all it's called rule 41, passed in December 16. Imo your better off on plain web and just say what you believe. I will pay the price for my wrongthink but I will do so with a clean conscience so to speak.
https://nordvpn.com/blog/rule-41/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/636308/rule-41-doj-sanctioned-hacking-on-vpn-and-tor-users/
AllSoTiresome ago
Damn.
OuterSpaceIsCGI ago
@puttitout isnt even a man
Proveitorloseit ago
"space isn't real"
Is false.
Space is very real, and so are the gods that dwell there, and between space
Agrianian_Javelineer ago
Space isn't real, there is only Aetherius
Reverse-Flash ago
Are you a proponent of flat space theory?
MyNameIsMud ago
PIA sucks anyways, NordVPN is better.
-someone who has used both
P. S. Keep fighting the good fight, brother.
Timmy2 ago
You are correct. Sour grape is even less of an argument. Sheeit.
Timmy2 ago
Poal is pretty rural, currently, but is a nicer place in many ways. It is growing and will do well. Your lucidity there is a nice addition.
Jeww ago
I was a better person there 10 minutes into having an account because a place like this rots from the head and the head is so obviously zogged, so why express genuinely in his goy pen? On Poal I actually have a sense of respect for myself because I’m choosing to be on a platform that values me. Here it’s all suspicion because our admin is suspicious.
Oveass ago
You tagged too many people. Only the first 5 will get notified.
Timmy2 ago
I like that expression, and will possible recycle it. Thanks!
BushChuck ago
I like to point out that the donald is a ZOG sock puppet.
Shaloms! https://storage.hidabroot.com/Graphics/Modules/News/Pics/26843_tumb_750Xauto.jpg
Bfwilley ago
Sounds to me like it's just sour grape there pal.
AR47 ago
There isn’t anywhere you can go that you won’t be policed online anymore.
Just the world we live in. With the lesser crimes bills being passed and them still needing a bad guy for society to hate you can bet it will be this medium and hate speech to be the focus.
I see voat becoming a lightning rod for this.
You should too.
BushChuck ago
L_Pyro got banned? Hahaha!
THat cunt was part of the downvote brigade that followed my last account around. Every comment I made had -5 less than a minute after making it.
SO, yeah. Good catch.
antiliberalsociety ago
I tested him on a Soph thread and got the same, he's a reddit thorough bread. CameraCode0 also. Coincidentally they both would defend TexasVet despite my mountain of proof he's a lying fraud.
BushChuck ago
@TexasVet is a lying, valour-stealing, fraudulant sack of shit.
Hand_of_Node ago
I think I just read a comment of his where he mentioned a grievance with someone who he downvoted a lot. (over on poal)
Corpse_washer ago
Not very hard. You can apply liquid fertilizer to any water source and fertilize by spraying that water. I am sure you can get the elements for fertilizing be synthesized without using decaying plants and cow shit and ingredients up the material chain.
Ina_Pickle ago
cow shit is absolutely the best fertilizer. why? because they are herbivores and their shit is basically decaying plant matter.
AR47 ago
Then go!
Atko said long time ago that you should conduct yourself as you would in any place public. 99.99999% of the fucks here don’t and call for outright murder of niggers and anyone else not white.
You ever think that shit wouldn’t have consequences?
This site reads like a goddamn white supremacy message board. Wouldn’t be suprised if it was the FBI that was the angel investor to be honest. Their work would be easy with this place.
Since you are stupid I will lay a timeline for you.
2 years ago we had a user that was called secretlypsycho that was fascinated with the columbine murders. Same with other mass murders. Even made a subverse for it.
Then at the beginning of the month there was a girl that scared the living shit out of the school systems within that distric and many others in Colorado.
They found her after she committed suicide. Upon finding what I could (history was scrubbed) it’s the same person.
Around that time is when put said he had be contacted by a law enforcement agency.
So do the math and realize that while you may think you have free speech you must accept you have consequences to that.
It’s the same with every single other message board like this.
Hysterical ago
Yeah fuck that guy for asking questions, he should be a good obedient sheeple and not raise his valid concerns around here.
Speaking your mind isn't welcome on a website dedicated to freedom of speech, I guess?
AR47 ago
Free speech is fine when you can accept the consequences.
For instance would you say
While you were face to face with a group of people? Or addressing another in a public setting where someone could follow you home, see where you work, or in anyway have a consequence to you?
I am betting you wouldn’t. You do it here because you lack consequences. Let’s you vomit our word salad all fucking day and hey it is just free speech right?
Well guess what it sure is and you should accept that consequence that comes with it is all.
Intrixina ago
I'm more inclined to say things in front of others in a public setting, than on here, to be honest. In fact, some of my best redpilling moments in real life have been from doing precisely that.
As I've said before, I'm pretty much exactly the same person online as I am in real life. Why would I need to fake aspects of my personality on etiher realm? That's just lying about my true self - if people cannot handle my true self, that's on them.
DayOfThePillow ago
I say what the fuck I want when I want, if you work with a bunch of faggots and think saying kike on a website puts you on a hitlist then you either need to say kike more because the kikes are after you or admit that's not how it works.
AR47 ago
I asked if you would say it within a public setting.
What you do doesn’t bother me, but you know you are being offensive to someone out there and it’s done for attention, but I know there is a point you wouldn’t want that attention.
I comment off Theo’s submission about something earlier and it’s really what I think.
DayOfThePillow ago
Yes I would say it in a public setting, I deny the holocaust in public places, name the jew, and speak about everything I know that everyone else is too cucked to touch upon, I do it so fucking loud and proud that people listening in start question their faith. And grow up, who gives a fuck. Oh no, bad attentions from idiots! Face it, people here are far more knowledgeable than most, there comes a time in life when you stop caring what idiots think, you clearly haven't reached that point yet. And trying to educate people isn't done for attention, it's done for, get this, to try and educate them. Shocking I know. Stop living as a prisoner in your own mind, you'll thank me later.
AR47 ago
I don’t have to be offensive to be intelligent, but I am sure you know that and love that attention it gets you.
I don’t because the nail that sticks out gets the hammer.
You want to make yourself a target then by all means do it. Seems you are ok with it.
NeedleStack ago
That is also a very old Japanese idiom used to put peer pressure on kids so that they don't become too independent from the group.
We're goats. And being loud and independently-minded online is in our nature and should not be hammered down.
DayOfThePillow ago
offensive
causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry. - Like I said why care about the opinions of idiots? Do you always submit to the lowest common denominator?
actively aggressive; attacking. - Talking in public like I said is not this also.
Like I said, you are a prisoner of your own mind and making excuses up for it.
The_Venerable ago
If you're white, liberals want to kill you. They are trained by corporations to think its ok to hate and kill you. And they have NO problem talking about that in public. But a group of people on a message board standing against that with text is extremist and worthy of government retaliation? You are a cuck, plain and simple. And yes I would say anything I say here in real life. Ive been punched in the face for calling a nigger a nigger in real life.
Intrixina ago
If you present a convincing argument, that redpills one or several people. I'm pretty sure that's what /u/DayOfThePillow would do, when he's not caring about the opinions of idiots, that is.
Zenhael ago
I'm in complete agreement with you here, Theodore. Hopefully we'll get some kind of an explanation, instead of a whack from the banhammer, ourselves.
GnomeWorks ago
As one of the people on that list, I have no idea what the fuck is meant by "vote manipulation." Yes, I had a backup account, and good fucking thing too, since voat is "invite only" at the moment. I certainly haven't used the accounts in concert (ie, upvoting posts from one with the other). Go ahead, check @WhiteMatter's post history, see if that looks like the comments of someone who was subject to systematic downvoting or whatever.
So I honestly have no idea what the fuck the algorithm they're using is, but at the moment it seems fucked.
Intrixina ago
To be fair though, if people know too much about the inner workings of an algorithm, people will game the system or severely bend the rules but not break them.
You are correct that in the interests of transparency people want to know why someone was banned.
Corpse_washer ago
Some don't understand chaos, that destruction is needed, the old and rusty must be torn down and make room for the new and shiny. Without destruction there is no need for building and everything would be just that,static, never changing, forever.
obvious-throwaway- ago
I just come here to say Nigger Faggot Kike or whatever the fuck else I would like to say. The day I can't say Nigger Faggot Kike, this place is a fucking memory. I don't give a shit about anything else happening here, I don't care about upvoats, downvoats, or the rest of it, it's all completely meaningless.
kkkrystal ago
this is the only place you can say niggerfaggot i feel like
obvious-throwaway- ago
The 4chan and 8ch.net honeypots also allow you to speak freely.
BackAsswards ago
Same. I've been here for a lot of drama and have always just watched and read. Most of it is petty and amounts to nothing but unfound accusations.
The only thing I've ever really had any concern of myself is the "angel investor". It seems as putt never addressed it and probably won't any time soon.
I can here because of the stuff going on with Seth Rich and have noticed two things change in the time since. Everything is now the Jews fault and the lowering of the quality of content. This seemed to happen after one of the shut downs. I couldn't tell you which or if it's even real. It could just be my natural thought process of trusted very little.
TheWorstImaginable ago
Storm front. And yea, white trash are ignorant, hostile, petty, and have way too much time on their hands. They're white niggers. The quality of this site has plummeted since those goofs claimed voat was theirs.
obvious-throwaway- ago
Fuck off you ignorant piece of shit. The fucking idea that you've been here over 2 years and act like no Jew ever has done a single bit of wrong and anyone who would dare to speak out against them is some sort of [insert made up words]. You also assume anyone who would dare speak up against the Kikes is "white". The evidence is OVERFUCKINGWHELMING against these pieces of shit and to pretend it isn't is literally the definition of Kike Nigger Faggot.
You know what sent me over the edge, I bought a children's board game years ago to play with the kids and one of the questions on the cards was, "Would you rather [insert some random act] or sit next to a White Supremacist on a bus?" The completely fabricated and made up word like that appearing in a children's fucking board game? Fuck the Kikes and I hope every single of them is removed from our country forever and I would lose not a single night of sleep if the entire lot of them were completely removed from the planet. Holodomor, Weimar Republic, sexualization and pedophilia with children, the countless beautiful people of European descent who have met uncountable horrors fighting wars to defend Kikes and their lot of sand in the middle of nowhere. How many children have been violently raped and murdered by these fucking monsters in Hollywood and their other dens of evil across the world. I didn't believe it either, but when I started seeing this anti-white agenda I started researching where this attack was coming from and EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME, it was Jews working together from the top down. They MUST GO.
TheWorstImaginable ago
agreed. I'm disgusted too. I say this as someone who's had quite a few close jewish friends in my life. Same thing with niggers. I've liked a few of them too. But they all have to go. Or more realistically white people need to go somewhere and fortify. The general public isn't horny for genocide.
obvious-throwaway- ago
Their crimes against humanity are beyond all reckoning, https://i.imgtc.ws/vimcyyW.png
There is no forgiveness for their crimes.
TheWorstImaginable ago
pro life shit is just as gay as trannies
obvious-throwaway- ago
Then why does one group of people work so hard to censor it?
Masaze ago
If this site is censored or becomes anything than what it is, nobody will use it because Reddit has more censored content.
Putt's (((investors))) realize this, they own the site and are rapidly destroying it.
Deplorablepoetry ago
Threaten the pigs on this site and see what happens.
Freedom of speech unless you frighten the police.
Police are domestic terrorists and are calibrated by many queers on this site.
Voat = FRONT HOLE OF THE INTERNET
...it gives me no pleasure to say that
TXRepublicMovement ago
People do all the time
CantDentTheBrent ago
THEY WILL NEVER STOP ME FROM SAYING FUCK THE JEWS
THE KIKES DID 9/11
NIGGERS FUCKING SUCK
Agrianian_Javelineer ago
13 do 50
USS Liberty
Jewish Bolsheviks
Holocaust didn't happen
TheTrigger ago
↑this dude's got shit figured out
Zenhael ago
I'm not jiving with some of the names on that ban log. EdSnowden was here for over 4 years, and I'd gotten used to seeing his name around. He just posted a few days ago about how much he 'loved Voat.' And he's globally banned for something vague? Same goes for a few other names on that list. I'm having a hard time buying into it.
One suspicious situation isn't enough to pull the trigger, but how many do you need in order for it to be enough?
Hysterical ago
Common tactic for shills on forums is to build a good reputation so they have more influence.
Mittermeyer ago
So shills are the ones that contribute positively to the subs?
Hysterical ago
Why not communicate genuinely instead of with this manipulative and frankly feminine bullshit?
You know that's not what I meant. So do you actually want to understand my perspective or just attack me?
I'm saying that if you were a shill wanting to effect the website, what would you do? Post from brand new accounts all the time that no one trusts? Or would you put the time and effort in to appear like "one of us". I would choose the latter if my goal was to influence the website and cause damage.
Does that mean all who contribute positively are shills? Of course not. That is ridiculous, and so is trying to put those words in my mouth like you did.
Ina_Pickle ago
Because this is supposedly the last bastion of free speech and people should be able to say whatever the hell they want without regard for how they might be perceived? Just a guess.
Hysterical ago
The point is he is responding to me. Yet refusing to communicate.
I guess I visit the last bastion of free speech to have meaningful and uncensored conversations and you guys just come here to fling shit knowing you can't get banned. To each his own I suppose.
Purposely twisting what people say, lying, manipulating. Yeah we should just embrace that, right?
I have freedom of speech too, cunt, and I'm going to call out you sacks of shit that don't give a fuck about freedom of speech and are only here to stir shit and harass people. Sounds like Putt has the same idea, so keep up the bullshit. That's my honest advice to you people. Keep up the bullshit so you get banned and I don't have to waste my time explaining to children why manipulating and lying harms the community.
Ina_Pickle ago
free speech doesnt mean silencing people you dont like or disagree with.
Mittermeyer ago
You worded things badly, then when that is pointed out you give a long emotional response, and you call me the woman. You have been doing this shit all day. I am 90% sure you are a shill, or at least the biggest faggotnigger I have seen all week. You are one month old account telling others that accounts that have been active for years have been playing a long con to do X where you don't even define what X is. Then somehow claiming you know this for a fact which is impossible for you to do if you have only been here for a month.
Hysterical ago
That is not worded poorly. Id phrase it that way again if I had to. I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is so poor that you took what I said and assumed I meant everyone who contributes to subverses is a shill.
Honestly all our personal shit aside, you should read more often. There's genuinely no reason for you to have interpreted what I said the way you did. That is 100% on you mate.
Mittermeyer ago
Except I didn't say that, I asked for clarification which you never answered and instead got mad I even asked.
Am I supposed to know you nigger?
Hysterical ago
"Except I didn't say that, "
"I asked for clarification which you never answered"
That is two paragraphs of clarification. How you can accuse me of not clarifying when I've gone into great detail is beyond me. Again I don't even believe English is your first language at this point. You're functionally illiterate.
Hysterical ago
Alright. English is not your native language or you are nigger level IQ. You continue to misunderstand really basic sentences.
Mittermeyer ago
Great argument. I do understand, but the only one with a personal gripe is you. I don't give a fuck who you are niggerfaggot.
Hysterical ago
I said our personal stuff aside just to try and imply that it was unrelated to the argument at hand. I probably could have relayed that in a better way.
Mittermeyer ago
Yeah and my point is we don't have any personal stuff other than the argument at hand. I really don't pay attention to usernames.
Croat_Goat ago
Like u/ruck_feddit. No warning, just banned. Then putt is MIA from posting all day today.
shawnfromnh69 ago
He might have another job. He also might have had a meeting with an investor. Damn dude, people have lives off this fucking site including the site staff and owner, get a fucking clue.
Croat_Goat ago
Maybe? Or maybe we had half a dozen PM's last night about getting with each other today, but it didn't come to fruition? I know which one it is. You assumed you did, but look how that turned out just now.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Maybe like a MAN he has a life besides here. Maybe he went out got hammered and spent the night fucking after. We've all done that and missed work, but he isn't paid to punch a clock so he can skip work all he wants and even delete the site without permission because he's a MAN. He isn't a slave to this site and I'll use the voat words for the He isn't your NIGGER.
Croat_Goat ago
Get real. You've never done any of that. I don't think he'll go out with you, but keep trying to suck his dick on here. IDK, it might work?
shawnfromnh69 ago
I never got banned, no posting on video's or politics but I still have my account. I love the revenge and nuclear revenge subs. So fucked up some of them and the entitled ones also.
Zenhael ago
I looked through 3 or 4 pages of that ban log, and there were at least a half dozen people I'd grown used to seeing around. Smokratez is another one who'd been here for quite a while. It raises the hairs on the back of my neck when people who are really 'part of the group' get suddenly shut out like that, with no fanfare, no warning, etc. I really think Theodore is onto something here.
Ina_Pickle ago
we went from "delete nothing just use the downvoat to moderate spam" to soviet style people removal in less than 4 years.
Zenhael ago
Funny how history has a way of repeating itself. Almost like it's part of the human condition.
HoneyTrap1488 ago
@smokeratez was a complete cunt. Look at his comment history.
smokratez ago
I am not a complete cunt. I am a wonderful human being.
theoldguy ago
They wonder how you still think you're a human being.
Zenhael ago
He absolutely was an asshole, and I didn't like him. But I don't believe he was practicing vote manipulation, unless some sort of evidence is posted. He was an ass, but he had been an ass here for over 4 years.
smokratez ago
What did I ever do to you?
Mittermeyer ago
Seems odd that a lot of the most vocally against jews got wrapped up in this ban wave, while the Q mods got builder tags. Meanwhile well known high contributing Goats such as Empress are not considered builders.
Zenhael ago
'Builder' tags are like bubblegum. Don't start chewing, if you didn't bring enough for the whole class. If you give bubblegum to one or two kids, the rest will think you're playing favorites. Then, if you get into an argument with somebody else, you're 'siding' with your favorites and 'targeting' your enemies.
Anyway, I agree with Theodore that this Builder/Destroyer stuff is a bunch of crap.
Hysterical ago
It's a common tactic for infiltrators though, they need to build reputation. Like who would you tend to believe if we were arguing, me or Smokratez? I wouldn't even blame you for casually siding with Smokratez. I'm what not even a two month old account? I've security minded though. I like to swap out accounts. I prefer my arguments to stand on their own merit and not my reputation. I know there's nothing malicious about me or my account, but if I ended up in an argument with Smoke and neither of us had hard evidence...
Zenhael ago
I don't consider that I have 'friends' or 'favorites' on Voat, because I'm just a lurker. I don't know anybody all that well. I was just used to seeing Smokratez around. I had one nice interaction with him a few years ago, and a number of bad ones. I've up-voated and down-voated him plenty of times. If you were to argue with him, I'd like to think I'd consider whose argument was actually correct, and side with that person.
My great concern with the ban log is just that there were numerous familiar names on it, all of whom had been around about as long as I have. It's not a great loss for me, personally, but it's a little upsetting.
Think of it like this: Your neighbor, and old man that you've maybe said two words to over the past five years, is suddenly gone one day. You go out to pick up your morning paper/collect the mail from the mailbox/etc. and you see a bunch of people moving shit out of his house into a box truck. You ask what's going on, and somebody says that he just died. You didn't know him very well, didn't even know his name, but he was a fixture. He was your neighbor. And now he's gone. That doesn't really change your life at all, things will continue as well as they ever did, but it ought to make you feel bad for a minute or two. And then you move on, and every so often you might think of the guy. Or you might not.
If some of those guys were legitimately doing things that violated Voat's rules, then the bans should stand, of course.
Hysterical ago
Fair enough, but what if instead of dying he was say arrested and sent to prison. You were told he had committed tax fraud.
I understand the sentiment though.
Zenhael ago
Yeah, that's probably a better analogy. At some point, the question should be asked if one trusts the authority enough to take their word for it. In the case of my example, I would trust the authority that my neighbor had been justly arrested, so I take your point.
Hysterical ago
I honestly don't know what's going on. I've been highly skeptical of a lot of stuff around here. I'm struggling with my personal bias here because several of the people banned were users I had been incredibly suspicious of for a very long time. So it's easy for me to feel A.) Personally validated in my suspicions and B.) That "the neighbor had been justly arrested"
But at the end of the day, I know nothing. Literally nothing. I have suspicions but I never had evidence. I kind of want to see the evidence that they were legitimately breaking rules and to what level of severity.
I dunno.
Croat_Goat ago
I'm beginning to think you're both right.
Zenhael ago
I hope we're wrong. I'm not leaving Voat for stuff like this, but I don't like what's happening, either.
BushChuck ago
That list looks like my blocked list.
I'm having a hard time finding fault.
tanukihat ago
I never liked Putt and I think his "builder" shit sounds a lot like he's losing grasp on reality. The ravings of a madman.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Man you're gonna make him cry, he's tried so hard for you to get your respect and now his dreams are dashed on the rocks.
tanukihat ago
That would be great
ALIENS2222 ago
Yeah I got an old account there from when Putt gave up or whatever and Voat was down for 3 days. Then Atko came back for a bit. Kikery was a foot for sure. But yeah, There needs to be a LOT of clarification. Like can we still say Nigger? Can we say Niggers steal? Can we say Hang niggers that steal? Shit like that. What is the line? Q said it though. In the end 8ch will be the ONLY place left.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Who the fuck care, his sight his choice. It's his castle because this is not a socialist website and our opinions mean fuck in the end. I would do the same thing. If I had someone putting a lot of money into my site a 100 people that I've never met in real life are not going to make a shit of difference in my decision. If you don't like his choices for his website the door is to the left and no one is holding a gun to anyones head. No trying to be a dick but that is how I see things in a realistic way, we are not related or old drinking buddies, we are here at his discretion and he can shut the site down if he likes and it we don't like it, tough cookies.
Hysterical ago
Didn't read his comment hey? He said he was concerned about the user base, not Putt.
Glory_Beckons ago
So nobody but the site owner is allowed to ever have or voice an opinion about it? No matter what He does, you think our place is to quietly acquiesce and grovel at His mercy, never daring to question His transcendental wisdom?
Useless sheep attitude. Brainless sycophants like you ruin everything.
shawnfromnh69 ago
I didn't say grovel but this is not a democracy. You are here at his whim and if he chooses he can remove you for no reason. It's like your home, you can tell anyone to get the fuck out, now this is his home, he built it and he opened it up to strangers and he can tell anyone to leave.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Destroyers to me are people that bitch about every topic that isn't about killing nigger, kikes, and sandniggers. Total destroys the urge to post anything. Where builder build the site with new content unlike the 1/3 reposts I see constantly here. Fuck it's like 1/3 of the people here just copy the rest for points and now I have to wade through a ton of crap I've seen posted 20 times already. Also destroyer are whiny bitches that downgrade a post they just read the headline to and haven't even clicked the fucking thing. That reminds me of Reddit. OMG your such a racist for posting that topic. Same attitude from another perspective so bitchy little cunts will be their designation.
ALIENS2222 ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxqhU6nEy6c
Nasa is not really the best example... BUT You are absolutely correct. I hadn't really thought of it that way but You are completely and totally correct. Honestly my question is ... Where do we go next? We have time but really? I remember Poal?
Adminstrater ago
The best part of Voat is the community. Voat is nothing without it, just as Reddit is nothing without theirs, and as you can see it is slowly dying for not standing up to reason.
As users, we all have very little control in the general operations of Voat, but if the community is real, it is possible to build actual things that are not just on Voat. The problem, as I see it, is that there are very little ways to build something positive in the real world if it puts a very real target on your back.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Reddit was good and normal till right before mid 2016 right about the time Seth Rich was killed but post that and you're likely to get banned.
NeedleStack ago
You're forgetting the time around when Victoria was fired and then all the bans on fatpeoplehate, coontown, niggers, etc. Like Hysterical said, 2014-2015 was when there was a sea change for the worse.
I am feeling the sea change happening now on voat. Do you feel it too?
Hysterical ago
They were already in full censorship mode by 2014.
Sweettendiesloving ago
No I agree with most of your post, just saying there are a few peeps who do good work, but the no proof bans and other faggotry should end.
shawnfromnh69 ago
They likely have proof but no reason to show it to others, none at all. Maybe it was a bunch of SJW's messaging each other of some PEDO's messaging to give each other websites address that have that sick content. If he posted that message he'd be putting up link to pedo sites and that would not be a smart thing. I think legally it's smarter to just do it and not post it, you can sue for anything now adays and without evidence for their side he keeps his side strong. Just common legal sense no to do that shit. We should kind of just mind out own business since you don't see him asking for naked pictures of your wives or girlfriends so give him the same respect and keep out of his decision making. It's the manly thing to do so we don't sound like a bunch of judgmental SJW's in everyones business.
GnomeWorks ago
And this right here is why I want my account unbanned, because I don't want to be associated with that shit.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Now that is a valid reason. It's not that you are challenging his ownership but you want to be heard as a person to stay, that is the most normal thing I've read today. Hell worth a shot but there are other places to go so it's not like the world is ending.
Sweettendiesloving ago
That one faggot who does a daily recap is alright though. I do like reading those
Questionable_1 ago
At first I thought ok this is cool. Later to realize it's out in the open vote farming.
ALIENS2222 ago
This whole move will start out good... It will stay good for a while, but as time goes on it will likely change. Situations will come up and mission creep will happen. Eventually the 'dictator' will start to shape Voat into HIS image as opposed to that of the people here. The reason I say this is this... Can any of you lay out for me the specific and easily understandable and applicable rules that describe a 'builder' or a 'destroyer'? That is the queston... I only kinda know. Most leftists will say that we are ALL destroyers! Always keep that in mind.
jewd_law ago
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that Voat is yet another honey pot similar to Godlyke. there's some great guys on here, but I agree w OP and now we have more fucking shills on here than ever, with no oversight on this JIDF invasion. meh.. better to take action in your local community than online anyways.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Dude, explain to me how to identify a shill. Their IP address doesn't say DNC, they don't put fuck conservatives as part of their username. So exactly what is your superpower that you can identify a shill. Really I'd like to hear this one, can you go into the digital world and enter their computers and spy on them.
jewd_law ago
And this is coming from a member who said he 'hopes israel flattens Palestine" https://voat.co/v/news/2799865/14555485
that's all I need to know about you
shawnfromnh69 ago
Lets have my full opinion, I wish someone would nuke the middle east, fuck the oil, just get rid of the religion of piece forever. Sure the jews die to but I don't care anymore about any of them over there. Life is to short to put up with the bullshit from that region of the world for a century and a milenium if you include the crusades also.
Hysterical ago
Hah nice catch.
Octocopter ago
It is a weird position and I wish we had more answers about how decisions were made. I also want to point out the large number of pedo accounts that got nuked.
shawnfromnh69 ago
SImple, he makes them and whoever is cut leaves whoever isn't stays or leaves if they choose. He's an owner of a website, not your buddy and it's his personal business and choice to do whatever he wants.
Octocopter ago
You are 100% right, the best comments I have seen simply want more light shed on what was done to decide. The bottom tier comments are the ones have that been vitriolic about and were caught for being malicious.
RM-Goetbbels ago
oh please tell me it was a cap gun with a long row of paper caps that smell like victory when fired! gawwd I loved those.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Damn, that brought back memories. The fun part was when they took away the gun and you learned that rocks made them bang also and if you stacked them up it was loud like a firecracker and burned the shit out of your fingers to.
WordCorrector ago
You know, to me it's unfortunate that there isn't a lot of transparency here even though I am sure they have good reasons for that.
It's just we are so used to having to parse the facts through hardcore investigative efforts when we are presented with a narrative. That's part of Voat culture. It would just be a breath of fresh air if we didn't have to speculate and create theories from official admin announcements.
I think Voat has a lot of good and genuine users, but Voat also has a lot of eyes on it with sinister intent. I can understand why people play their cards close to the chest and share their info with a privileged in-crowd.
I don't think you'll ever get official confirmation and validation for the questions you're asking. But it'd be nice.
Native ago
What do you mean no transparency. Putt's is actually making public what he is doing instead of just sitting back from a chair and not stating any reasons like twitter facebook or reddit.
Putt's is a decent guy however, he is lacking in persuasion. I fully believe he comes from a good place however his articulation of his good intentions are misinterpreted.
Hand_of_Node ago
All I got was an accusation and a threat/warning. There was no rule or violation cited, and I don't believe I violated any known rule. It's interesting how someone suddenly stabbing you in the front can change your whole attitude.
Native ago
I've seen several posts now of people showing what putt said and everyone had a reason/violation explanation.
Hand_of_Node ago
What's the violation or reason? More than one downvote to a single account? Something else? How is anyone to know what this even means?
Native ago
you dense cunt. IE you have another account you fag.
MrPim ago
I received the same message verbatim. I do not use an alt. In my time here I have created a handful but i use them for a couple weeks and then stop and can't get into any of them anymore. I haven't logged into an alt in a year I think. I absolutely Do Not use an alt to manipulate voting. That is 100% a false accusation.
I can only conclude I got a warning for DVing particular accts when they'd piss me of for something. I stand by that as my right to do so. And what is the limit for that if it's supposed to be wrong? 10 comments? If I DV 10 of your comments am I to be banned? 15? And where is this rule stated n ANY form? It's not, I broke no rules.
NeedleStack ago
Exactly. We should know what the parameters are. You're a name I like to see around and it'd be shitty to lose you.
MrPim ago
I've been lurking. I had a day recently where I behaved poorly in my judgement. So I'm doing a cool down period and mostly just reading. Even on this subject I'm keeping mostly silent to see what the Voat collective thinks/does and what Putts next msg will be.
Thanks for saying so. I'm not sure what I bring to Voat really. So, thanks. I'm not going anywhere just yet.
RM-Goetbbels ago
Go fuck yourself Theo, I'M GETTING A BADGE and you're not! nananananananaaaa.
varialus ago
I've heard plenty of people voice their concerns. but it all ultimately comes down to the fact that although Voat news aggregation is democratic, Voat site administration is not; it's a private enterprise.
Ina_Pickle ago
private enterprise that was sustained by user funding... okie dokie
Gorillion ago
"The customer is always right."
There, I just assholed your thought-terminating cliche with my own.
Got any original thoughts?
Goys-R-Us ago
That's ban worthy talk goy. Take it back or risk the wrath of the builders guild!
auralsects ago
Oy vey where have I seen this before
BlackSheepBrouhaha ago
"If you're not in a conspiracy, build one."
-Catherine Austin Fitts
Glory_Beckons ago
I immediately thought of Masons as well when he started using that term.
Builders. Who's a builder? Are you a builder? Don't be like those nasty destroyers. Be a builder. Like these good builders. Builder!
Creepy cult-speak. Divisive and arbitrary. Vague enough to be applied whenever and however happens to be convenient.
waterniggas ago
builders are fellow travelers
destroyers are know-nothings
OuterSpaceIsCGI ago
Masons = trannies @puttitout
Base311 ago
And isn't 8 chan owned by a Mason?
THSenior ago
The chink who had his bedroom trespassed recently?
waterniggas ago
yep, huge fuckin creep
Gorillion ago
Killstream/The Ralph Retort got the interview with him this week on the back of the recent Vice break-in drama.
Does strange porn-fic audiobooks or some shit. Very weird character. Another of these oddball internet guys who lives in sketchy 3rd world countries.
NotHereForPizza ago
@PuttItOut
Death Blossom.
NotHereForPizza ago
Welcome, TK, to the truth.
Delacourt ago
The way I see it "builders" are just effortposters or high-quality OC posters, while "destroyers" are fedposters/glowniggers (aka the reason Voat was under investigation recently, which is probably why Putt made the post). Putt is totally justified in that respect.
Mittermeyer ago
Then how long until I get banned for naming the jews? Besides if it was effortposters then Empress would be considered a builder. A lot of well known Goats are not considered builders, but the Q mods are.
Delacourt ago
Empress IS a builder.
Mittermeyer ago
Is she one now? 2 days ago when the drama was going on she wasn't and the builders were 1 kike who constantly begs for people to donate to his coinbase, and 2 Q mods that were reddit powermods and retroactively banning people for things they said months ago. Putt couldn't have chosen a worse 1st batch of examples.
VoatsNewfag ago
Why not just ban them for illegal content? Why differentiate between builders and destroyers if it's just about legal threats?
I don't like resorting to assumptions.
I believe that voat, even if it loves unfiltered speech, would be very understanding when it comes to deleting (possibly) illegal threats and content. I see no reason to be vague if that were the case.
However it's easy to argue that people who are hostile to newcomers (calling them "niggerfaggots") or who are overly annoying to outsiders (ie. mocking and trolling in v/QRV, which admittedly I occasionally do) are "destroyers" in the eyes of puttitout for turning people away from voat.
I recall that puttitout voiced in the past that he dislikes the way voat treats newcomers and is disappointed in it's growth.
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If I'm right about this interpretation of destroyer it could easily explain why he is kinda vague as it would alienate a good chunk of voat. As far as I can tell many (most?) here value unfiltered speech more than sharing content. @TheodoreKent
transitive ago
What the fuck? > The reality is Free Speech isn't important enough in and of itself to be a factor for growth, it's a liability>
6cd6beb ago
This paints a picture that putt is trying to make voat into "reddit but right-leaning" instead of "reddit but everyone calls you a nigger and a faggot and posts about hitler and white pride", which I understand from a business perspective.
That explains why Q shit is being propped up. Conservative but still more marketable than posting "the greatest story never told". Come to think of it that's probably why antivax stuff is spinning up here, you get to feel subversive but it's still marketable.
"Builder" and "Destroyer" are thought terminating cliches that can be used to purge accounts for resisting the new, more marketable voat. We're a couple of rounds of bans away from "Destroyer" being used colloquially on voat in the same way that "nazi" is used in western society. "It just means that's the bad guy and we need to get rid of them don't ask why what are you a Destroyer or something?"
The VPN giveaway was literally asking people to submit pictures of themselves, which could be benign but would be absolutely intolerable in the kind of place where people are doing subversive things. You don't go on the chans and ask everyone in an "it's ok to be white" op to post a fun selfie.
Sounds like he's mad that people aren't falling in line with the direction he wants the site to go in, so we're gonna get some vague explanations, account purges, fun badges for complying, we'll get a couple of enemies to rally against, the rules will start to change out from under us, and voat will turn to a bland, inoffensive reddit clone full of boomer memes where the trump is ripped and has a full head of hair but you can get banned if you say it's ok to be white or criticize israel.
and anecdotally - "less accepting?" all I had to do was create an account and scroll through without posting for a while, get the feel of the place, and then start posting. Pretty sure that track still works. Yes I've been called a faggot, nigger, jewish shill, etc. if that's enough to make you shut down and leave then the world around you is going to kick your teeth in for decades without ever making eye contact. I'd like to not be called those things. I'd also like to never get fired or lose at anything, but you can't ban slings, arrows and outrageous fortune.
I don't know, this doesn't strike me as the place to start banning people for being meanie-heads. But I guess that's the change that management's trying to affect.
Rotteuxx ago
@trigglypuff ^^^
VoatsNewfag ago
I agree.
Now when he originally posted that Poem I hoped he merely wanted to encourage more original content ("building") over us grumbling about the current state of society all the time. Voat does lack non-political or positive content. I understand for voats admin to encourage more original and positive content.
I also think users here should always have the right to complain about reddit style moderators on v/all. But this means that it will be very difficult to establish safe spaces and containment subverses and therefore to attract more normies.
In an edit to his latest update he called people who downvoated his submission Destroyers. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3239483 I don't think that's a good sign.
He will have to wait more years before he can do that and not alienate most of his "customers".
Proveitorloseit ago
Except Putt could just be framing it that way, in reality, he seems to want the site to become an even stronger echo chamber.
Goys-R-Us ago
Haha, the way you see it. I wonder if everyone else sees it that way. You think? Or is it an arbitrary designation like TK outlined?