I'm not jiving with some of the names on that ban log. EdSnowden was here for over 4 years, and I'd gotten used to seeing his name around. He just posted a few days ago about how much he 'loved Voat.' And he's globally banned for something vague? Same goes for a few other names on that list. I'm having a hard time buying into it.
One suspicious situation isn't enough to pull the trigger, but how many do you need in order for it to be enough?
He might have another job. He also might have had a meeting with an investor. Damn dude, people have lives off this fucking site including the site staff and owner, get a fucking clue.
Maybe? Or maybe we had half a dozen PM's last night about getting with each other today, but it didn't come to fruition? I know which one it is. You assumed you did, but look how that turned out just now.
Maybe like a MAN he has a life besides here. Maybe he went out got hammered and spent the night fucking after. We've all done that and missed work, but he isn't paid to punch a clock so he can skip work all he wants and even delete the site without permission because he's a MAN. He isn't a slave to this site and I'll use the voat words for the He isn't your NIGGER.
I never got banned, no posting on video's or politics but I still have my account. I love the revenge and nuclear revenge subs. So fucked up some of them and the entitled ones also.
I looked through 3 or 4 pages of that ban log, and there were at least a half dozen people I'd grown used to seeing around. Smokratez is another one who'd been here for quite a while. It raises the hairs on the back of my neck when people who are really 'part of the group' get suddenly shut out like that, with no fanfare, no warning, etc. I really think Theodore is onto something here.
He absolutely was an asshole, and I didn't like him. But I don't believe he was practicing vote manipulation, unless some sort of evidence is posted. He was an ass, but he had been an ass here for over 4 years.
Seems odd that a lot of the most vocally against jews got wrapped up in this ban wave, while the Q mods got builder tags. Meanwhile well known high contributing Goats such as Empress are not considered builders.
'Builder' tags are like bubblegum. Don't start chewing, if you didn't bring enough for the whole class. If you give bubblegum to one or two kids, the rest will think you're playing favorites. Then, if you get into an argument with somebody else, you're 'siding' with your favorites and 'targeting' your enemies.
Anyway, I agree with Theodore that this Builder/Destroyer stuff is a bunch of crap.
It's a common tactic for infiltrators though, they need to build reputation. Like who would you tend to believe if we were arguing, me or Smokratez? I wouldn't even blame you for casually siding with Smokratez. I'm what not even a two month old account? I've security minded though. I like to swap out accounts. I prefer my arguments to stand on their own merit and not my reputation. I know there's nothing malicious about me or my account, but if I ended up in an argument with Smoke and neither of us had hard evidence...
I don't consider that I have 'friends' or 'favorites' on Voat, because I'm just a lurker. I don't know anybody all that well. I was just used to seeing Smokratez around. I had one nice interaction with him a few years ago, and a number of bad ones. I've up-voated and down-voated him plenty of times. If you were to argue with him, I'd like to think I'd consider whose argument was actually correct, and side with that person.
My great concern with the ban log is just that there were numerous familiar names on it, all of whom had been around about as long as I have. It's not a great loss for me, personally, but it's a little upsetting.
Think of it like this: Your neighbor, and old man that you've maybe said two words to over the past five years, is suddenly gone one day. You go out to pick up your morning paper/collect the mail from the mailbox/etc. and you see a bunch of people moving shit out of his house into a box truck. You ask what's going on, and somebody says that he just died. You didn't know him very well, didn't even know his name, but he was a fixture. He was your neighbor. And now he's gone. That doesn't really change your life at all, things will continue as well as they ever did, but it ought to make you feel bad for a minute or two. And then you move on, and every so often you might think of the guy. Or you might not.
If some of those guys were legitimately doing things that violated Voat's rules, then the bans should stand, of course.
Yeah, that's probably a better analogy. At some point, the question should be asked if one trusts the authority enough to take their word for it. In the case of my example, I would trust the authority that my neighbor had been justly arrested, so I take your point.
I honestly don't know what's going on. I've been highly skeptical of a lot of stuff around here. I'm struggling with my personal bias here because several of the people banned were users I had been incredibly suspicious of for a very long time. So it's easy for me to feel A.) Personally validated in my suspicions and B.) That "the neighbor had been justly arrested"
But at the end of the day, I know nothing. Literally nothing. I have suspicions but I never had evidence. I kind of want to see the evidence that they were legitimately breaking rules and to what level of severity.
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Zenhael ago
I'm not jiving with some of the names on that ban log. EdSnowden was here for over 4 years, and I'd gotten used to seeing his name around. He just posted a few days ago about how much he 'loved Voat.' And he's globally banned for something vague? Same goes for a few other names on that list. I'm having a hard time buying into it.
One suspicious situation isn't enough to pull the trigger, but how many do you need in order for it to be enough?
Croat_Goat ago
Like u/ruck_feddit. No warning, just banned. Then putt is MIA from posting all day today.
shawnfromnh69 ago
He might have another job. He also might have had a meeting with an investor. Damn dude, people have lives off this fucking site including the site staff and owner, get a fucking clue.
Croat_Goat ago
Maybe? Or maybe we had half a dozen PM's last night about getting with each other today, but it didn't come to fruition? I know which one it is. You assumed you did, but look how that turned out just now.
shawnfromnh69 ago
Maybe like a MAN he has a life besides here. Maybe he went out got hammered and spent the night fucking after. We've all done that and missed work, but he isn't paid to punch a clock so he can skip work all he wants and even delete the site without permission because he's a MAN. He isn't a slave to this site and I'll use the voat words for the He isn't your NIGGER.
Croat_Goat ago
Get real. You've never done any of that. I don't think he'll go out with you, but keep trying to suck his dick on here. IDK, it might work?
shawnfromnh69 ago
I never got banned, no posting on video's or politics but I still have my account. I love the revenge and nuclear revenge subs. So fucked up some of them and the entitled ones also.
Zenhael ago
I looked through 3 or 4 pages of that ban log, and there were at least a half dozen people I'd grown used to seeing around. Smokratez is another one who'd been here for quite a while. It raises the hairs on the back of my neck when people who are really 'part of the group' get suddenly shut out like that, with no fanfare, no warning, etc. I really think Theodore is onto something here.
Ina_Pickle ago
we went from "delete nothing just use the downvoat to moderate spam" to soviet style people removal in less than 4 years.
Zenhael ago
Funny how history has a way of repeating itself. Almost like it's part of the human condition.
HoneyTrap1488 ago
@smokeratez was a complete cunt. Look at his comment history.
smokratez ago
I am not a complete cunt. I am a wonderful human being.
theoldguy ago
They wonder how you still think you're a human being.
Zenhael ago
He absolutely was an asshole, and I didn't like him. But I don't believe he was practicing vote manipulation, unless some sort of evidence is posted. He was an ass, but he had been an ass here for over 4 years.
smokratez ago
What did I ever do to you?
Mittermeyer ago
Seems odd that a lot of the most vocally against jews got wrapped up in this ban wave, while the Q mods got builder tags. Meanwhile well known high contributing Goats such as Empress are not considered builders.
Zenhael ago
'Builder' tags are like bubblegum. Don't start chewing, if you didn't bring enough for the whole class. If you give bubblegum to one or two kids, the rest will think you're playing favorites. Then, if you get into an argument with somebody else, you're 'siding' with your favorites and 'targeting' your enemies.
Anyway, I agree with Theodore that this Builder/Destroyer stuff is a bunch of crap.
Hysterical ago
It's a common tactic for infiltrators though, they need to build reputation. Like who would you tend to believe if we were arguing, me or Smokratez? I wouldn't even blame you for casually siding with Smokratez. I'm what not even a two month old account? I've security minded though. I like to swap out accounts. I prefer my arguments to stand on their own merit and not my reputation. I know there's nothing malicious about me or my account, but if I ended up in an argument with Smoke and neither of us had hard evidence...
Zenhael ago
I don't consider that I have 'friends' or 'favorites' on Voat, because I'm just a lurker. I don't know anybody all that well. I was just used to seeing Smokratez around. I had one nice interaction with him a few years ago, and a number of bad ones. I've up-voated and down-voated him plenty of times. If you were to argue with him, I'd like to think I'd consider whose argument was actually correct, and side with that person.
My great concern with the ban log is just that there were numerous familiar names on it, all of whom had been around about as long as I have. It's not a great loss for me, personally, but it's a little upsetting.
Think of it like this: Your neighbor, and old man that you've maybe said two words to over the past five years, is suddenly gone one day. You go out to pick up your morning paper/collect the mail from the mailbox/etc. and you see a bunch of people moving shit out of his house into a box truck. You ask what's going on, and somebody says that he just died. You didn't know him very well, didn't even know his name, but he was a fixture. He was your neighbor. And now he's gone. That doesn't really change your life at all, things will continue as well as they ever did, but it ought to make you feel bad for a minute or two. And then you move on, and every so often you might think of the guy. Or you might not.
If some of those guys were legitimately doing things that violated Voat's rules, then the bans should stand, of course.
Hysterical ago
Fair enough, but what if instead of dying he was say arrested and sent to prison. You were told he had committed tax fraud.
I understand the sentiment though.
Zenhael ago
Yeah, that's probably a better analogy. At some point, the question should be asked if one trusts the authority enough to take their word for it. In the case of my example, I would trust the authority that my neighbor had been justly arrested, so I take your point.
Hysterical ago
I honestly don't know what's going on. I've been highly skeptical of a lot of stuff around here. I'm struggling with my personal bias here because several of the people banned were users I had been incredibly suspicious of for a very long time. So it's easy for me to feel A.) Personally validated in my suspicions and B.) That "the neighbor had been justly arrested"
But at the end of the day, I know nothing. Literally nothing. I have suspicions but I never had evidence. I kind of want to see the evidence that they were legitimately breaking rules and to what level of severity.
I dunno.
Croat_Goat ago
I'm beginning to think you're both right.
Zenhael ago
I hope we're wrong. I'm not leaving Voat for stuff like this, but I don't like what's happening, either.
BushChuck ago
That list looks like my blocked list.
I'm having a hard time finding fault.