More of dear Nellie "Vindicator" Oleson - Here and Here

@vindicator @sensitive @abortionburger Time to unsticky this and put the old girl back up!

PROTEST WAS A GREAT SUCCESS - CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO SAW THROUGH THE PROPAGANDA AND CAME ALONG AND SUPPORTED IT EITHER PSYCHICALLY OR PHYSICALLY ANYWAY ! THERE WILL BE MANY MORE RALLIES IN THE FUTURE UNTIL THE PEDOS IN POWER ARE DEFEATED!

So are we ready to take down the sticky about the totally dangerous protest demonstrations yet? LOL

There are videos of David Shurter and Fiona Barnett on YouTube. Fiona is the SRA survivor from Australia. If she thinks that Shurter is legitimate, then he is.

I really wish I could go. I am really far away and if I wanted to drive there I would have to do like the astronaut lady and put my diapers on. Also I have a houseful of pets and no sitter. And I really really really would like to urge anyone who goes there to control their own narrative! Do not wait for anyone to ask you a question,whip out your phone and start live streaming!! If you see something going haywire go ahead and report about that too. But whatever you do control but narrative

It's my birthday and I wish for the truth to be told by all that speak at the protest in DC tomorrow.

Speak the truth and it can move mountains , truths can shake the earths ground and moves people.

Speak the truth so they can hear it loud and clear and the TRUTH will affect them most where it should.....THEIR HEARTS!!!

Dumb. I argued against these "all powerful" mods when they tried to smear the 3/18 protest. Now they're covering their dumb asses and suddenly impartial to either event. People are smarter than this. PG is way beyond investigation. It REQUIRES decent and unafraid men and women to stand up and speak out. Get your butt to the 3/25 protest.

STRENGTH IN NUMBERS - CALLING ON ALL POWERFUL PROTECTORS!!

MARCH 25TH AT LAFAYETTE PARK 11 AM WASHINGTON DC

WE HAVE COUNTED SO MANY CHILDREN LOST, WE HAVE COUNTED TEARS, NOW WE ARE COUNTING ON EACH OTHER - PLEASE SHARE, SUPPORT, SHOW UP!, STREAM, WITNESS, PROTECT!

WE ASK CITIZENS TO JUST SHOW UP AND RECORD AND LIVESTREAM THE EVENT INDEPENDENTLY. BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND EYES ONLINE PROTECT OUR PROTESTORS FROM DISRUPTERS, FROM IRRESPONSIBLE POLICING AND FROM OBSCURITY.

you succeeded at keeping ~600 demonstrators out of DC on the 18th. your ridiculous, paranoid, divisionist fear-inspiring sticky is not "helping". just stop "helping" and go back to "moderating". we can think for ourselves. we don't need your help.

EDIT for all those who think mods seek to keep word of the protest from getting out, or suppress turnout -- relax; it's 4D Chess:

You do realize that by leaving this post up, we draw FAR MORE attention to the protest on the 25th than if we take it down, right?

criminals always claim things like that.

Done. Where do I find out about that poll feature?

try again, it's worth it - Victurus Libertus weighed in and others.

All that b.s. just to try to excuse the deceit. Like any of that shit matters if one more person is tortured or raped to death...I said death, cause some mf is always worrying to paralysis, about what might happen. Shit is happening now

KEEP STRONG. = ) !

the demonstrations should be worldwide ! not usa only !!!!!! lol cant you see ? usa needs help from the rest of the world !!!! your beloved president trump can't do shit !!!!! you want to make a difference ? really ? get of your fat ass & protest !!!! worldwide !!! dont waste your time hanging behind your pcscreen !!!!! fuck, that felt good ! march or die pussies !!!!!!

1ew you do a great job of walking the fine line and getting good action for updates on this sticky thread. I have watched what you have achieved and salute you.

I also want you to know that there has been a different kind of pushback on this sticky - you may not agree with it -by some of us and you can see it by hitting this thread and sorting your comments for "new". Also the "top" comment has been edited to show support for the second protest.

I appreciate your sentiment here. There has been some pushback against this ongoing forever misguided sticky. STrong pushback and in many ways it is a propaganda piece that mods are refusing to diffuse. Please see our efforts by going to this thread and sorting the comments by "new". Also the "top" comment has been edited to support the protesters. Thanks. and upvote if you agree.

How do you define the term renegade? be specific and explain how each speaker fits your definition. thx.

yes, take a look at the pushback from myself and Sound of Silence and others. hit the thread and the button for "new" comments. YYM also edited her "top" comment.

A false flag to divert attention to cpp and then the cover up?

Would LOVE to know where to find/how to use a poll feature here. I was not aware there was one.

Also, by leaving the sticky up, we had hoped to simultaneously raise awareness that protests were happening (since almost no one can see the sidebar, being on mobile), protect Voat from the legal interference from Podesta-linked groups that has already removed v/pizzagate from Google indexing and led both archive.is and slim.g to break links to numerous PG related uploads, and encourage users to watch for hijacking of the events themselves.

It would not only impact March 18, it would likely completely shut down the originally planned rally on March 25. Were we to advertise it here, we might subject Voat and v/pizzagate to increased vulnerability to censorship through legal action.

• So… we arrive back at the original, simple answer of Legal Risk, now all snug and sufficiently swaddled in Fear… with the fake narrative cherry on top: that this dangerous, melodramatic, confrontational, frustrated mob of protestors – who can’t control themselves in public, and can’t tell troublemakers from friends – is going to singlehandedly be the cause of traitorous evils galore, involving everything from the 2nd march getting cancelled, up to and including the entire sub getting shut down, all the way to another media-fest slander scandal involving guns and an explosive false flag – ultimately permanently destroying any credibility the Pizzagate investigation currently has.

To the united in the Pizzagate truth movement, friends… Beware the attempts to promote a narrative of any kind. The only narrative needed is the truth.

I am not confident Mr. Gallant would necessarily recognize if he were being manipulated.

• Because no dumb monkey could possibly be as smart or lucky as someone like you, could he?

• I received a similar eloquent response in the “possible false flag” discussion.

• Too bad we little chimps aren’t up the “newspaper of record” eugenic, elite mental threshold of the great and powerful Modz.

Imagine the effect of turning this rally into a Berkeley-type riot.

• Sounds like one of your …dreams now that I’ve read the narrative propaganda.

Then there was this language, also in the permit:

I, Erik Gallant of Jackson MI, aided by a handful of dedicated others, have been the hub of this movement of concerned citizens from all over the U.S. and abroad who have pitched in their efforts to make this demonstration a reality, working hard day and night pushing our campaign on various online platforms

• All factual. Erik organized a small group of folks from the US and abroad, who got together and made this march happen. What’s the problem?

Given the emphasis on himself, his requests for money, his cool looking but dangerous imagery and melodramatic organization name (superheroes like the Justice LeagueJPG?)

• “Emphasis on himself”… it’s a statement from him, regarding himself…. So yeah, it’s going to have to mention him and explain his relationship to the permit and event.

• Along with… “a handful of others” across the US and abroad… who have been working (mostly independently of voat) to spread Pizzagate truth and awareness, and who organized support enough among others, to move forward with the demonstration… There’s nothing wrong with it and it isn’t self-glorifying anywhere except your imagination,

• “Dangerous imagery” and “melodramatic organization name”…. (mod-narrative version scary music plays in the background and conjures up fears of conflict and censure)

• and of course, “Money” (since no demonstration should ever need money for anything. If the port-a-potty budget runs dry, then so be it – right?)

and we are again in "flag weather" according to supposed insiders

• Bring it all full circle for us…. That hard-hitting closing statement you want us all to buy into… roll it out...

That incident has been used to debunk and suppress the pizzagate investigation ever since

• There it is… and boy, what a doozey… • “Used to debunk” – When has pizzagate ever been debunked?

• “and suppress” – Has it been suppressed more since the fake shooting? Because it looks like it backfired and the movement to expose pizzagate is stronger than ever.

• So, why would you be pushing a narrative that results in Debunked and Supressed? What could you gain from doing that?

The violence-loving deep state operatives who we believe started and maintain the trafficking rings are skilled manipulators capable of LARPing on made up sites, any of the sites we use as sources, or fooling the investigators who run them.

• Is this about Titus Frost saying he gave CPP child porn to the DC cops?

• Oh wait, this is you saying the deep state is smarter than we the People, so smart that they’re going to create a fake, low-publicity, non-tech savvy, fully grass-roots operation to conduct a major false flag operation that will lead to Pizzagate being suppressed or debunked…. Ok.

• Except – you’re wrong. That’s why they’re the ones whose necks are on the line, and we the People are the ones exposing them. Our deep state is deeper than their deep state, and every sincere Pizzagate truther knows that; so, what’s your excuse?

From what I can tell, Mr. Gallant is a decent guy who simply couldn't sit on his hands anymore. I am not trying to throw shade on his character.

• You’re not trying to throw shade, that’s true. You’re trying to wholly discredit.

• And not only wholly discredit, but discredit with prejudice. • “Armed resistance” – “false flag” – “rain down mayhem”.

I DO wish to remind people of the big picture:

• Please do… and many thanks.... because we dumb monkeys forget that shit only a daily basis…. So please, strike us with awe as you play Captain Obvious with your bullet-point reminders:

The Clinton Cabal and Soros-funded Antifa have a history of manipulating rallies in order to incite violence

• Let us all know when you have the document supporting the fact that any of this known treachery has targeted a Pizzagate or march on CPP event.

• Underscore that fear-factor…. Bring it all home… convince us.

The Comet Ping Pong shooter was likely a false flag,

• No scenario is more likely.

pushing the idea of a false flag narrative, in an advertisement that you're "not advertising" either march is making the sub look incredulous.

Especially in light of what the supposed DHS Insider told Victurus Libertas on March 5:

Q. Will it get bloody?

A. Lets just say its flag weather.

• Well now that really seals the Fear deal, doesn’t it? And my, the standards of journalism to which you adhere in that bit of “evidence” to support your fear-mongering “concern”.

• Except – VL’s guest wasn’t referring to the march. He wasn’t even referring to Pizzagate.

o Q. This is huge! o

A. As I said before, there is enough underbelly rot to collapse not only our Government, but collapse the Likud part in Israel and expose a huge political pedophile ring that exists in the US, UK, Asia, etc. All inter-connected. And that’s not even venturing into the extortion aspect.

o Q. Will it get bloody? o

A. Lets just say its flag weather.

o Q. Any advice for Trump? o

A He who hesitates is lost…..

• You took out of context and used this quote to cement the BASELESS suggestion that the march is a False Flag Operation. Would love to hear the justification of that one. Fake News.

But the combined effect of the time in front of Beyond Borders plus the use of militant imagery to promote and set the tone for the event is problematic.

• Where is it cited that these images will be used at the event (‘cause I haven’t seen them in any of the footage)? • By “tone”, you obviously mean the violence of Torches and Pitchforks… just a bunch of dumb jungle monkeys with no self-control. Oh ye of little faith in the brothers in arms.

• But what’s worse, is you peddling that invented Fear to us here faster and harder than you’re going to back-peddle on this post.

Especially in light of what the supposed DHS Insider told Victurus Libertas on March 5:

Q. Will it get bloody?

A. Lets just say its flag weather.

Don't get me wrong -- I frankly think the kids with falcons image ought to be the official Poster of Pizzagate.

• I don’t.

It's cool AF and captures the feeling many of us have, the same spirit that made Based Stick Man go viral.

• What would that “feeling” and “spirit” be, exactly?

• From your perception of the graphic as “armed resistance” and the violence of Based Stickman, we can only conclude that you feel “angry and frustrated” (since that’s what you accused the marchers of being), and are guided by a spirit of armed retaliation.

• Because, “Many of us” do not have the feeling that violence is OKAY… that’s just you speaking for yourself, as a fear-mongering false-teacher with violent tendencies. • So why the big push to keep reinforcing these scenarios of violence?

That is fine for a meme, a tweet, a Facebook post, street art, etc.

• Can we run all our material by your for approval? Thanks! Please fwd. lead and turnaround estimates ASAP. We chimps want to be sure YOUR narrative is the only one being portrayed.

• Meanwhile in reality, your word doesn’t dictate what is or isn’t or should or shouldn’t. Check your privilege, you’re a mod, not a god.

• And never, ever attempt to dictate standards to any of us. Make your mod rules and do what you do, but don’t ever claim to know what’s best. The People will decide what is best for the People, not you.

Since mod @wecanhelp posted about the concerns we had, it has been completely removed from Gallant's Twitter media, though the theme of armed resistance remains.

• Whew… good thing he removed it… no more worries about your delicate sensibilities being offended.

• The theme of armed “resistance”… where is that cited as an explanation regarding the graphics? Nowhere? Ok.

• But why would you choose to interpret it as “literal armed resistance” and then present that as a “fact” instead of considering it may figuratively represent “protection”?

When I did this research March 6, the background photo of his Twitter profile was this pictureJPG -- kids with falcons backed up by a posse of gunslingers, implying a pack of killers -- from a graphic novel by Stephen King.

• March 6th you did your research… well then, again, how did you (a supposed well-seasoned citizen investigator) miss this video explaining the answer to your “concerns”? • A pack of killers… wow… thanks for suggesting that guns = killers. Incidntally… exactly how many items on the bill of rights might you interested in abolishing? • And, ‘cause killers hang out with kids all the time right…? Wait… could that possibly be a pack of protectors instead of killers…? Do you think that makes more sense maybe?

Why risk causing conflict between pizzagate investigators, and the plentiful troll-fuel it would generate?

• So many questions about something you already had the answer to when you posted this. How does such a poorly researched, false information post get stickied? Why would a FAKE NEWS discussion like this even exist when the answers to all the questions and “concerns” could have been answered by viewing this interview with the organizer, from 10 days prior? • So, what could be the purpose in reinforcing and hashing out all your Unfounded Fears about this march?

we were surprised that someone would plan an additional protest a week prior to the one that had already been on the books for a while.

• Except – videos and information had been coming out for nearly 2 weeks prior, explaining Erik had no idea beforehand that a different demonstration was even being planned, that he and Neil (organizer of the 2nd march) had been in touch, and neither knew about the other march when they were planned.

Why split the potential crowd and media coverage between two events?

Why go to all the trouble and expense to fund, permit, and promote two separate events?

• Except – it was already known they couldn’t be combined because attendees of the first march had already finalized their travel and demonstration plans. • Why would a moderator be suggesting otherwise? The only answer can be that the moderator has an interest creating a divided perception of the movement.

So please weigh the following with an open mind...

• Translation – Forget your policy of ‘zero tolerance for bullshit’ and open your mind, open your mind to the enlightenment WE, the moderator kings, graciously impart to you, the weak-minded, common user-serfs… listen to us as we explain….

Problems with the March 18th protest at Beyond Borders Haiti

When we first considered promoting this event,

• Why would it require, “much discussion” among you to consider promoting any event – when according to you, the legal risks (your initial reason for not supporting the marches) were so obvious and precedential?

we have a responsibility to point out potential threats we see

• Translation – “It’s not about the legal risk, we lied. The truth is, “WE,” the moderators, will define potential threats for you chimps, and then, in our overlordship of wisdom and charity, present those threats as we have defined them, on a stickied silver platter, glowing with caution lights and source links, plastered with urgency to the front page of the sub, so all you dummies here at the “newspaper of record” who don’t know how to conduct your own independent research into a matter (think about that for even 2 seconds), will stay safe. WE are here to help.”

that could harm users or Voat itself.

• Translation – “You monkeys are unfortunately dangerous to yourselves and voat, because you obviously aren’t smart enough to sniff out a threat on your own, research anything on your own, consider the risks and benefits of a thing on your own, or enter in to sincere and productive discussion about it all on your own – let alone show up in person, IRL, and exercise the presence of mind to conduct yourselves in a respectful manner in public, concerning something so vitally important as bringing awareness to pizzagate. In short, you chimp-serfs can’t think for yourselves, so we’ll do your thinking for you; and, naturally, you will let us, because we are the kings of the “newspaper of record” on Pizzagate.”

Because v/pizzagate has sort of become the "newspaper of record" documenting the Pizzagate investigation during a time where just about every other site has completely shut down discussion, it is really important that we protect the continued existence of the forum

• Chilly explanation to the chimps at the “newspaper of record” why protecting that treehouse is so important… certainly none of us monkeys had ever thought about it like that before.

-- especially from the sort of legal action that has shut down other sites.

• Further push on the now established theme of danger and fear… • But no explanation as to why the demonstration announcement had to be removed altogether, instead of just disclaimed with a cucked one-liner of, “voat is not legally responsible for….”

To that end,

• To that end – the end that v/pizzagate is not legally at risk by you promoting either march? • Except – removing the banner already solved that problem. So where could this be going and what could be gained by further pursuit and exploit of an already neatly closed issue?

Hopefully, you can suspend your disbelief for a bit and hear what I am about to say.

• So solemn a start for such a simple question with such a simple answer… • Why would we need to suspend our disbelief to be able to listen well enough to understand? Are we all in such an overwhelming state of disbelief about the banner for the March on the 25th being taken down that we can no longer think straight without a reminder? • This could only be directed at a mob of hapless chimps who enter into a deafening, irrational state of shock at the first whiff a banner for a demonstration has been suddenly removed. • Except – there’s no one like that participating on v/pizzagate. The comments to the post prove that. What an insult to the community…. “suspend your disbelief”…. sounds a lot more like “you are getting sleepy… very sleepy”. • So, what could be the purpose of laying down a premise of fear in the outset of this discourse, by goading the reader with the suggestion that “deafening disbelief” is the obvious first response to an explanation? Especially when that explanation could have simply been, “Unfortunately we are not able to display either of the banners due to legal concerns beyond our control”? • What kind of forthcoming statements are going to require an admonishing, pre-emptive reminder to all us idiot chimps who don’t listen – that we the chimps need to put on our listening caps and prepare to exercise our best active comprehension skills? • What kind of statements would need that level of psychological preparation, and what would be the goal of the acceptance of those statements?

Why we are not advertising either of the Pizzagate Protests on March 18 or 25th submitted 2 days ago by Vindicator

This post began as a reply to @sound_of_silence, who created a graphic and asked that we post it to help publicize the two upcoming protests.

This is true. I found it odd front-page real estate was, day after day, given to one march but not the other, particularly as the one not promoted was schedule to happen first.

After much discussion among the mods,

• 26 hours later..

we have decided not to,

• Okay.

and have removed the March 25 poster from the sidebar as well.

• Okay.

• …And it could have ended there as simple Q&A.

• But, instead of a direct answer to a direct question in the relevant thread (or PM, or other thread), the discourse we’re about to inspect was stickied to the main page (incidentally, just prior, this warning that the March 18th demonstration would be bad for the image of Pizzagate was flagged important and soon stickied… incidentally, just prior to that, was this discussion where the moderator flagged his own post, March 18th Demonstration a Possible False Flag, as Important… @FoxDen attempted to clear up any questions during that discussion, but the moderator refused to acknowledge the facts, saying, ‘he could be lying’. @FoxDen subsequently released this video concerning the moderator’s un-based attack on the March 18th demonstration).

The sticky is promoting a false narrative with incorrect info.

Nearly all the concerns in the sticky could have been resolved by a quick you tube search way back on March 6th. The rest was subsequently available in the dates leading up to the post; additionally, the organizer and a core volunteer were available and in contact with the moderators prior to the post. I’m sharing this rebuttal because there’s not only a war For Pizzagate truth, there’s a war On Pizzagate truth.

My downvoat didn't register. Are we playing games? @Vindicator

Voat equals Goat. Shitty GOAT HORN logo.

It's one thing to express concerns for the well-being of fellow Voaters, but it is quite another thing for moderators to aggressively attack any variance from their edict. Some moderators appear to have gone out of their way to stamp out any dissent from what they have decided is best.

Fine, I understand if you don't want to be legally liable, but the mods are not the pizzagate/pedogate research effort. Mods should offer their opinion as we all do, but they should never aggressively snipe at others. I somehow missed the "construction worker" characterization of an organizer as though it were a bad thing and am furious. You have really over-reached yourselves in this.

I have asked the mod who wrote this post to now flair it "Accuracy In Question" as real world events have proven the entire write up about the first protest to be inaccurate speculation and demoralizing sophistry at best. It is now troublesome that this discredited sticky is still planted in the spotlight here to discredit the next protest without apology . The presence of this sticky discredits ALL protest, in meta.

The mods need to be held to the same standards as the rest of the community when posting. I do not believe this sticky accurately represents the current feelings of the community (shills not included of course) and should no longer be granted the priviledge of squatting on the top of our forum. Remember, this forum belongs to the community and the mods, not just the mods.

Apologies are in order to the organizer of the first march, who OP dismissed in comments as a construction worker who she questioned was "deft" enough to market his protest the way he managed to do https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1723509/8444288 with no support and actively negative top down concern trolling from what is supposed to be the forum of record for pedogate.

I have been accused of not being "graceful" about these issues by the OP, and I concur. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1723509/8480098 We are not gracefully going to let this movement be hijacked by coddled fear based power-bottoms effecting a stifling of our energy and momentum. Kindly flair the sticky inacurrate or remove to regular submissions and restore our executive summary for newcomers, who we hope to welcome during next weekend's protest.

Co-option From Voat Is Not An Option.

With this post, Voat mods have found themselves on the wrong side of history. What an embarrassment for them.

You forgot the best parts! 1. He was POISONED by the bad guyz!!1!!! 2. The bad guyz killed his best friend to shut him up but in defiance of their scare tactics and to honor the memory of his friend he begged EVEN HARDER for donations. 3. Twitter and YouTube are EVIL so he's now going to gab and vid.me exclusively.

And you can believe he said he would protest this John Mayer song just to get some buzz? What did John Mayer ever do to him?!

That last one was sarcasm for those that don't get it (especially since David's announced protest of gravity happened before the song was released).

man, fuck that shit about imosters & infiltrators wtf ??? im talking worldwide ! dont be such a fucking pussy ! i thought usa is all about justice & freedom for all ? & for war ??? what is this pussy attitude ? if all the people worldwide stand up , i dare one imposter/ifiltrator try something

Well said!! Thank you for having put so much time, effort & thought into this. I think you made an excellent decision & I ESPECIALLY appreciate the wisdom used; not only for the best outcome for this site but for people, as a whole. It's quite refreshing, to say the least.

That sounds like a plan. Keep me posted!

This is just really disappointing. I wanted to participate; I was looking forward to it! But...MEN!

I just do not see how we help anyone by being divisive, and it sounds like this is going to be divisive. That is why I did not go to the Beyond Borders event; I am well-aware of their ties to the Clinton Foundation but they pretend to care about children and many people (libtards) blew off the Podesta Emails. And we certainly do not need to be affiliated al la the MSM with some guy predicting the end of the world (or whatever) in two weeks; that just makes us look like crackpots. I will just have to contact some people and get some guidance as to whether or not this is a good idea.

Please keep up the good work fellas. Please do not get discouraged. So many of you all have done so much and will never get the recognition for the hard work you are putting in. The work you all are doing means a lot to me and my family. Don't give up! I think history will remember this investigation and hopefully something good can come from all of this chaos.

Hmmm. I did not know Titus Frost is going to be there. I plan to attend, but talk about awkward! He has sent out YouTube videos blasting David Seaman as a "#Zionist shill"; how on earth are they going to come together for this event? I am also turned off by the guy who thinks he "feels" something is going to happen in two weeks. SHIT! You know, we NEED to come together, and I thought this would be a great opportunity to do that, but given this information.... IDK.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1731973

how much are children's lives worth to you? I wonder.

SO THE PROTEST ON THE 18TH WAS LEGIT AND PEACEFUL. THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND WERE WELL SPOKEN.

THIS STICKY? FAIL.

It's called BEING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY, VOAT.

Actuallyy Anrifa is falling apart. They have decided it was a farce and many have already left. Eriks march was cancelled. If Seaman has the antichrist in his march, its a bad choice. I suggest you guys could do a better job, so why dont you? The more the public is shaken up the more allies you have. You wont fight a war because you are afraid of the opposition? Wow. Wasnt the point to make opposition fearful?

Yes they will try flag attempts, censorship, defamation of character, threats, theatrics. It can only help your cause bringing the rats out of their holes so everyone can see the infestation. At least Erik and David are strong enough to do something besides play detective and wait like I do... waiting and wishing to God these freaks are stopped soon . They get my respect for that as a mother of a victimized daughter in a pedo gate pervert ring in Texas.

All you had to say was "David Seaman is involved." 'Nuff said.

Hey, Folks, please join the Pedophile Pride Parade at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate2/1730224

Thank you for this post. While I would not consider myself a Pedogate researcher in that I have not added anything but occasional comments to postings on this and other sites, I have read and watched extensively online about Pizza/Pedogate since mid-October, thanks to the efforts of people like you. I feel, for me personally, that I should show up in person in support of all the researchers who have tried, and who keep trying, to expose the ugly truth. It is perhaps ironic that I first learned of Pizzagate through my two sons, ages 25 and 35. Each of them had texted me a YouTube video about it on separate days. My youngest son has off from work next Saturday. DC is a 5-6 hour drive; I am sure he would be game for the road trip, possibly even my oldest son, too, if he can get off work. Frankly, I feel compelled to attend, but frightened to go alone. Yet I will proudly go if one or both of my sons go with me. My sign will say something about MAPs: Moms Against Pedos.

Oh I got it now. Member for four day.. Hi David.

You are like a baby, want it your own way. And you mis-characterize me. What kind of tactics do you want? Loser tactics?.. Ur funny but I'm going to have to block you.

The people who hurt the children are the ones who are proud and refuse to think things through.

If the plan isnt working in theory, it is not going to work in practice .

Cowards are people who don't speak up. None of us are cowards.

Not at all. I have many years experience at demonstration and political activism.

They want to show off for the Media.

If they don't exist in the Media , they feel they disappear.

They feel only if we "show them" and the Media pays attention can it be fixed.

Regardless marches are a waste of time and energy.. Millions came out against the War, you never heard about it. Millions called in 50 xs a day to Congress. It did nothing.

You must think "out of the box " And that means smart and savvy.

The Media will never do it for you. They are paid to cover up the crimes.

It's not necessarily the "right" thing.

If you march in the wrong direction it could make things worse, not better.

Actions should be fruitfull. All the Liberal Activist Rallys / Marches are for "feel good" reason.. emotional , psychological reasons of the demonstrators.

Even it it does nothing they want to do it? "I can't stand by. " "I can't stand it"

That's stupid. You have to think and act smart to fix this.

Good Interviews From Today's Protest #1

A lot of people didn't show up but this interview was conducted fairly and shows the level of total ignorance of the average Joe citizen regarding pedogate. Still the pedogate spokespeople were well spoken and answered all the regular questions about isn't this debunked in the media, if there were something to it the police would investigate, etc type questions.

If you facebook it would be nice to comment and give these independent reporters some props or criticism, whichever you feel.

At least they showed up and asked questions which puts them ahead of 95% of all media today and the PTB here at voat.

Start at about 7:45

https://www.facebook.com/N2Sreports/videos/vb.426269657480929/1338412416266644/?type=2&theater

IN MY OPINION, THESE INTERVIEWS WEIGH IN ON THE SIDE THAT THESE PROTESTORS ARE HONEST ACTORS. THEY ARE COURAGEOUS TYPES WHO PUT THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD. BRAVO TO THESE GENTLEMEN AND LADIES

Surely you realize that voat is compromised right? The mods on this forum are the self-appointed arbiters of information. We only know what they show us to know. Especially now that we can't easily search the forums. (Yes, I'm aware it can be done, but newbs and the average person don't so they've made it impossible for the average person to investigate the boards, which we all know is full of good info in spite of the mass amounts of shilling.) Like any effective form of psychological manipulation, they pretend to be hands off while actively directing the narrative.

I'm not sure how to go grass roots on this. How hard is it for someone who knows what they are doing to buy a website solely for discussion? I'm a Web idiot so I don't know. But if you get one, post it here and we can follow. Not allowing a protest to be "advertised" (or now even searched for) is equivalent to living in a nanny state. (Btw, ever heard all press is good press? Soros has, which is part of how this country got into this mess in the first place. It works.) Unfortunately we already live with a sick, pervo nanny. We don't need another one.

"Be there or be a yellowbelly" implies that the person is calling people who don't join him cowards.

Too manipulative to be trusted.

Thank you for clarifying a stance on this, I agree 100% with this analysis. I'm glad the integrity of this forum will remain intact.

peaceful is the way to go for sure ! thruth does not need violence . i think there should be allot of demonstrations , worldwide , in an peaceful manner , pushing the need for justice and truth harder and broader. good post ! very glad to see demonstartion(s)

It's (((them))) getting out in front of something so as to limit the impact. Same thing they do with everything, same thing they did with t-party, occupy, anything else real youve ever seen pop up and as we can see, the Trumpians... swerving it back into the GOP, which of course was already hijacked before any of us were born... SSDD

I think VOAT and the Mods fucked up on this big time-it isn't perfect, but it sure as hell is publicity that this movement needs and is part of the momentum-I have very serious questions about the MODS taking this stance, and as far as I am concerned it lends credence to the allegation VOAT has been seriously compromised

Well you guys can pass on a message to your business buddy Frank Giustra : we're coming for him and his pal Bill http://www.silvergoldadvisor.com/index.php/home/entry/goldmoney-launches-gold-payroll-and-gold-payout-applications-for-bitgold-business-platform

I see, with Goldmoney I presume. Lol.

How do you know ?

I agree completely with the analysis and actions taken. PizzaGate mods have my respect and encouragement to follow the straight path and not get pushed and pulled off it by third parties with their own agendas.

No shill here. We must be smarter than this.

Why not encourage everyone to go to the peaceful demo and teel everyone to avoid the 18th one as its obviously designed by the opposition..

What are the chances Trump would actually Tweet about it? I assume he has fixed his timeline for disclosure. It would be better to coordinate with announcements of indictments to fill the news block about the charges. Of course, how, when the CIA can see everything.

Another idea is for some to go dressed as Antifa and if bad guys show up the fake Antifas could fight them.

Can someone go there out of view to look for and film trouble makers?

Maybe others could go and warn the demonstrators of the dangers. Maybe divert them to go meet Trump or something.

The protests are a bad idea. Total set up. It's not like they're going to influence public opinion or cause a politician to have a change of heart.

Let's deliver some scalps to the https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/human-trafficking

Matthew 10:16

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

I think determining who our genuine allies (in positions of power) are in seeking justice for Pedogate, and putting (polite) pressure on them to move forward with the investigation is a way better plan. I help to run a conspiracy group on Facebook, and even still, I find myself regularly checking my rearview mirror when driving. I look both ways before leaving my home. You know that these people are everywhere. I am in no way on the level of someone like Roger Stone, who they definitely tried to either hurt, or kill, yesterday, but I ~am~ an outspoken critic of the Clinton Crime Cartel, and the evils these assholes perpetuate.

Anyway, back to the point, I think that the marches are doing nothing but setting yourself up for retaliation. The snipers and FBI surveillance of Occupy Wall Street comes to mind. The protesters were putting red flags above their own heads and drawing attention to themselves.

Despite my advocacy of the investigation for Pedogate, I don't need any more paranoia, just or otherwise, or worse.

I've already told those close to me that if I was found dead, it wouldn't be from suicide, just in case.

I really wish arrests would start, though. It's frustrating playing the waiting game. It seems like it's to the point where the buzz about the topic is wearing off, and that's bad. Keeping the conversation going keeps the hope for justice alive.

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THESE PROTESTS NEED TO HAVE PAMPHLETS EXPLAINING ALL MAJOR CONCERNS TO PASS OUT TO PEOPLE

STICK TO THE MESSAGE OF JUST ASKING HONEST QUESTIONS AND WANTING ANSWERS REGARDING PG

STICK TO THIS AND DON'T BE BAITED BY PROVACTEURS

KEEP ASKING ELECTED OFFICIALS OR AUTHORITIES TO GIVE ANSWERS NOW!

Demand for answers from Authorities / President Trump on FACTUAL EVIDENCE found by concerned people who were vigorously researching the DNC email dump released by Wikileaks and found strange emails using what seemed to be a coded language. The researching of emails eventually led to the coined term for this unprecedented citizen investigation now known as PIZZAGATE.

PIZZAGATE / PEDOGATE is not just a "USA citizen" investigation, it's not a DNC witch hunt, NO!! What the findings are bringing to light is that the problem of Human Trafficking, Pedofillia and a Satanic Culture seems to be running rampant across all forms of power positions, cultures who condone and or religions who are complicit or turn away the issue. The Pedofillia aspect is a Human Societal issue that needs to be addressed as is the Human Trafficking problem. The thing is all the positions and overseer's of these issues are CORRUPT and seem to be complicit on the same crimes they're supposed to be eradicating or keeping in check-from our society. Again, to be clear it is the PEOPLE of all parts of this Earth who are genuinely asking 'What's really going on here...on this Earth and why are the elected officials/authorities who are supposed to stop this blowing smoke in regards to ALL questions being asked about PIZZAGATE / PEDOGATE!

Maybe the most important findings of PIZZAGATE is the OCCULT aspect!

SEE WHAT UNFOLDS. BELIEVE IN A POSITIVE OUTCOME

Very moderate moderation, you've been vindicated, Vindicator

FUTURE BATTLES WONT BE CUMBAYA PEACE TYPE PROTESTS BECAUSE NORMALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POWER DONT GO PEACEFULLY its just a fact!

DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED!!!

PG needs to be talked about in the physical sense (i.e human real world interaction)

The 3/18 & 3/25 Protests need to just be about what we as a people /human race are concerned about concerning all things PIZZAGATE/PEDOGATE and what we want done. NO VIOLENCE......NO VIGALANTE JUSTICE....Yet......

AGAIN going against the grain is going to hurt and feel uncomfortable and is always going to have opposition, especially against this enemy. But we the people must always think positive or have faith that WE CAN AND WILL BE UNITED AS ONE HUMAN RACE TO CONFRONT, BATTLE AND END THIS CURRENT DARK RULE.

EDUCATE HUMANITY TO ALWAYS KEEP AN EYE ON THE EVIL OF THIS WORLD AND NEVER LET IT BREED THE WAY IT HAS FOR CENTURIES ON END

It reminds me of the Presidential election - surprising everyone, the true will of the people in numbers can overwhelm all the negativity. Keep strong everyone, and stand up for what you believe is right. There is strength in numbers of caring people standing together.

Never forget Orwell.

In his novel 1984, the prevailing slogan of the party in power is "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength". In other words, true meaning, or truth, has been turned upside down to confuse, misdirect and control.

The goal of the INGSOC in Orwell's narrative is to achieve total control over the people and, more importantly, over their minds."Freedom is slavery" also acts as a subconscious discouragement for anyone who might consider seeking freedom, whilst the last part of the slogan, "Ignorance is strength," encourages the people to accept as fact everything that The Party tells them, without using rational thinking. Believe and never question!

http://humansarefree.com/2013/01/what-means-war-is-peace-freedom-is.html

Well written Vindicator

Very much agree with the assessment. We should also recall that in Belgium after 300,000 or more came out into the streets for the March to support the children and the investigation -- spurred on (as I recall it) by the removal of the most effective investigator on the case -- that a new media campaign was waged against the children and the parents -- including a very intelligent young woman who had gone through these experiences which included having witnessed at least one murder of a young girl -- and the public then lost their confidence in everything they were doing. The MSM turned the public against the families and this witness and it basically became a witch hunt against them instead of against the cover up going on.

The best thing that can be done imo is to cause more of the public to become curious about what is going on and have them begin to explore the subject of Pedo-gate/Pizzagate on their own. There are still many citizens in US who sadly will believe a "fake news" campaign. Reaching the public isn't an easy job but I think one way to do it is perhaps to ask each of us who is informed to support the investigations and the children by wearing a white flower or emblem which someone might ask about so that anyone who is unfamiliar with this long-standing scandal can begin to understand in its entirety -- that is, going back 50 years or more with three investigations which have been stopped. See: Detective Jim Rothstein in interview with Jim Fetzer - Rothstein also comments at the last of the interview that the military is too little mentioned as being involved in this trafficking.

Here's link to the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cnT5amf6Ys

Detective Rothstein is making clear that WATERGATE was also not only about prostitution rings being run by the Democratic Party, but also about pedophile rings. And that a "book" recording this information was at the DNC/Watergate building which seems to be one cause for the Watergate break in. Also, LBJ and Bobby Bakker were running prostitution rings in order to entrap members of Congress. Hotel rooms were set up where women of the night/day were provided to lure members of Congress.

And, just another aside on Watergate as a reminder that at the time our Congress would have known that there are TWO COPIES of every White House tape made by the Secret Service.

Essentially, this was another example of government investigating itself which we see over and again here and with other countries.

Good job but I cant get pizzagate to pop up on my screen at all and had to go back to comments I made to find a pizzagate link otherwise pizzagate looks gone off voat to me.

a guy named David Surter who purports to be a Satanic Ritual Abuse survivor and the Anti-Christ (and is selling his book about it).

Goddammit. These fuckers are cancer on the movement.

The cpp shooter was a false flag to descredit the independent researchers as tin foil hat wearing Conspiracy theory crazies.

Aye! Agreed. Very well articulated argument. An ever present omnipotent specter arose in my gut when I saw the advertisements for that 'event'. Who in their right mind would step directly into that den of snakes, on their turf, with the kind of egregore that exits in Washington DC? The place is an occult city from it's inception, and if the character of those people is anything similar to the 'we'll burn you out of your houses' type like Luke Kuhn who hangs out at Comet Pizza and likes to plan violent protests, combined with that snarky, arrogant and snobbish DC elitism, the ONLY way to fight these people is through humiliation and exposure from a distance because all I see coming out of an event like this is violence. These types of assholes will come out in droves with their v-necks, gorsuch and nordstrom winter jackets just to shove their pretend normal in your faces. I can just see the smug (dick lipped) condescension in Alefantis' face just thinking about the protesters that plan on showing up.

I've never heard a more dire warning from an insider as 'flag weather' - better heed that one urgently because you fucking know these people wouldn't hesitate to try and make an example out more than a few of us.

I hate hearing that David semen is one of the front man for this protest I don't trust him one bit. He wrote a book on how to get us no matter what. He is hungry for attention SOB. Also he has been pushing the bit coin like crazy and who is behind that it is funded by Soros. I think you would be foolish to trust him to lead this.

Bunch of pussies on here honestly

Surter is obviously and nut job. I may be naive, but if Gallant and Surter would cause any problems at either today these protests, can't they be suppressed with a combined effort of multiple people like yourselves? If this really is a people's movement, all you would need to do is have a bunch of people prevent either of them from leading, speaking, or being caught in any spotlight. Obviously in a non aggressive way. If even 10 people attending these protests can agree to simply follow them in a non threatening way, it can really have an impact in preventing any issues. Examples of actions that can be taken can include: Preventing them from using a mic or any other voice amplifying device when possible, stand around or beside them if they are in a speaking situation, overwhelm media coverage on them by overpowering their voices with your own, passively direct them away from situations that would harm the integrity of the protests, etc...Obviously people can use their own discretion when deciding what is appropriate or not, but if Surter starts taking about that antichrist crap, a small group of people can easily shut him down quite passivly. Anybody else who takes a instructional or speaking position can be held accountable on the spot. If there are any journalist or a news coverage, you should never allow just one person to speak or take the spotlight, especially if you don't know who they are. It should always be handled with a calm, intelligent, collective group of people, and keep each other's emotions in check. I think these protests can have a huge impact in terms of exposure, and if people have the motivation and will to go, it should not be jepordized or forfeit. Just my thoughts anyways.

I'd like to float the idea of some ways we can engage in a peaceful protest:

-White ribbon pins,

-Place sticky notes with a targeted messages in random public places (#pedogate, #whiteribbon, #BustElitePedophiles)

-White balloons in public places

-A decent, non-partisan website to link to for those who see and inquire about our message, also to keep our effort on-message and on-track.

Is anyone else feeling inspired to jump in with ideas?

Violent protests in the streets will get us NOWHERE with busting the elite pedophiles and ending the suffering of children. We have to stay a step ahead of the Soros-organized counter movement. WTH can they do about us raising awareness with a white pin movement and sticky notes?

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Thank you! You are correct. Having two events so close to each other is to minimize turnout. It happened with the TeaParty. The second year there were two marches in DC, one week apart. The second one was Glen Beck's. So neither had as great a turnout as it could have been. It diluted the movement and I believe it was done on purpose. People might try to attend one or the other but not both.

It's also interesting that the March 18th organizer just joined twitter in March 2017.

The March 25th event doesn't sound like they got good speakers. It should have been better planned. I've never heard of feeding the protestors before. If it was a large crowd, there's no way they could feed the protestors, so I'm assuming they expect a small crowd, which will hurt the movement more than help.

The event should be planned a lot longer. We should have law enforcement to be speakers who specialize in taking down this trash and we need someone who can lead with a great reputation and interested in pizzagate.

I was thinking about people like Mike Flynn Jr and James Woods, someone who's already involved in PizzaGate. Or perhaps someone who already has a stellar reputation. We don't want this to be political, so perhaps someone in law enforcement, but not compromised.

Just my 2 cents in the matter. If protest are to be done they should be about the children and to stop human trafficking. Getting the major players in PG involved with make it political and muddy up the waters.

Make it about something that any rational person can get on board with and to protest against it would be virtually impossible. This would raise awareness and not make the players involved seem crazy to non redpillers.

Sometimes it seems that people are more worried about taking down the big fish and less with saving innocent lives which is what it should be all about. Get people to look into this horrible crime and the chips with fall where they may.

Great post. Very important that everybody read it. Thanks for sticking it.

Those who fear what the Left is going to do will never do anything but sit behind their computers, the left is going to be there to disrupt because, that is what they do, they are the enemy, they are irrational thinkers, and irrational thinkers will stop at nothing to strike fear into the opposition....I suggest those who fear a DC march plan a march on the capital of their state, I believe that is a good idea for all of us as well, make a day of nationwide protest on every capital across the country.

Yes, I have felt uneasy about this whole thing. They will try to whip our people into a frenzy. Some people will be able to stay calm and ignore, others will be so zealous in their cause and tired of waiting for action that they will be coerced into going wild. This is an accident waiting to be manipulated.

He sounds crazy...why would they pick him to speak. He certainly makes this side of the story look a lot less credible. Whoever brought him in made a huge mistake. I can't believe David Seaman agreed to speak with him being there.

Well done mods, typical establishment behaviour, co-opting the movement to direct it to their own benefits.

Listen..we are FAR more effective behind the scenes and raising awareness...we will have MANY protests to attend down the road when trials etc start..and they probably wont be protests but signs of support for prosecution, etc. This is just beginning folks and we have a long period of DILIGENT WATCHFULNESS ahead.

Thank you for providing those insights. I think that if Gallant really cared about the cause, he would add his gofundme money to the protest on the 25th and join forces with those organisers. Now is not the time for grandstanding or self-promotion. The cause should come before any individual's needs or wishes.

This post is complete misinformation from the resident disinfo moderator, Vindicator. The March 18 protest is possibly an organic "good" protest. It could be a setup, I don't know. The March 25th protest is clearly the controlled opposition shill protest. Notice how Vindicator states the exact opposite, how the March 25th protest is the "safe" one.

...and then have threads like this and people like @cantsleepawink come along to put people off attending?

Seems like the smart thing to do honestly.

This is the perfect opportunity for them to make us look even worse and ruin any hope we have for bringing all of this to light. We need to maintain control over our public image. I never thought I'd be putting these particular words in a sentence together, but I almost wish we could have some kind of Pizzagate PR person/team. I honestly feel like if we organized structurally (similar to a large business) with different departments, it would help us a lot. Marketing/outreach could handle trying to get more people's attention, legal could make sure we don't do anything illegal and cover our backs if necessary, PR could handle our image, etc. Right now we're spread out all over the place and all we're doing is finding new info and posting it on a forum that is really only read by other investigators. Most of society doesn't take us seriously. We have no means to fight back as we are now. We need to organize. That's the only way to keep this thing going.

Um I work in Jackson MI. Want me to ask this Erik what his intentions are? Lol

At first I thought one of the demonstrations was a good idea. The more I thought about it and the more data I got, the more I thought both were going to be infiltrated at the organizer level and at the street level. I don't want to lend my voice when I can't control how it's being directed. Further, we know that MSM will control the narrative via CNN, Washington Post, The Daily Show, Salon.com, Bill Maher and the usual editors of reality. The people we need to reach are still in their echo chamber and will have their beliefs confirmed by edited footage of the demonstration.

We do need action, but IMO effective efforts should be directed at further research of the conditions, laws and institutions that create and protect PG pedos, and developing state and federal action plans.

Great discernment, excellent analysis. I commend you for your wisdom and loyalty to the case. If I may suggest, I believe the 18th March should be cancelled altogether. Stick with the 25th and ONLY protest in a peaceful manner near the WH. I remember the Dutroux related "Marche Blanche" that hundreds of thousands of Belgians took to the streets. It was amazing. And let thousands of white balloons go up in the air in honour of all the victims of child trafficking, sex slavery and SRA. It can only be done in a peaceful manner. It's the only way to be heard and to make a positive impression on the rest of the world.

EDIT: Since the first protest was fine and was a really good effort despite the fears of violent protests and MSM smearing, I strongly suggest that we double our efforts and SUPPORT the March 25th protests. We need to unite and march on. The kids need us!

One of my big concerns is that the protest on the 18th will turn violent (Soros has already shown an interest in paying rioters to make protesters look bad) and that will destroy any chance the protest on the 25th has of going anywhere. I don't really understand why the person who formed the protest on the 18th wouldn't try to merge protests. One big protest would be better than two small ones. Something about the one on the 18th just doesn't sit right with me. I don't think this is going to end well, but I hope I'm wrong!

This Shurter guy is an obvious fraud. This is a setup.

I notice a big force trying to talk people out of attending these marches.. They dont want them out in the streets where they maight get attention, rather have all those people contaigned at some forum wich only few people know about. Yes it maight get trolled by paid people.. Staying in a forum will get the word out? I think sometimes need to take some risk. I do hope everyone will be save.

So lets never go to the streets. Instead continue sitting in this corner of the interwebs for fear of manipulation by others...is that what's being said?

I believe people are trying to note it for what it is and call it PEDOGATE. BECUASE THIS DOES NOT END WITH SOME KIKE PIZZA JOINT IN DC

This is a huge problem. The counterintelligence pro are waiting for this. Soros will have paid goons join in to rile up the g crowd then turn violent. You cannot advertise these events in this way. These guys are amateurs playing in a professional game. Especially if a guy like Shutter is claiming to be the anti/Christ. This feels uneasy

If I could give this post 100 upvoats I would.

It's a set up. British intelligence is working with the Americans and some of the shills on this forum are of that ilk. I didn't know much about David Shurter before but after seeing this particular post recently I think that he is cointelpro :

The Psych Ops of Pizzagate and the Hampstead case in the UK- Why They Are Being Connected Together

also, the fact that the 'beware the march' post is stickied just makes it all look that much worse.

Should have never put it up to begin with if you knew it was a potential legal hazard.