Jesus christ man, I barely even read replies to my own posts. Lighten up. Play more golf. Read a magazine. Go fishing. Thanks for making this place possible.

I'm honestly convinced that Putt doesn't give a shit.

I used to fucking love this site. Now, it's turning into Reddit, but you can say nigger all you want, so that deeefinitely excuses the admin selling out and letting SRS take over.

Putt couldn't change things even if he wanted. They fucking own him.

We both agree on the problem but I have no solution that doesn't involve censorship in some form.

If you have a solution then present it.

Cool

Well this fucking sucks. I wish you could just sack up to the idea that the moderators are always going to be a problem. That twisted shitty people will always try and use whatever cheap scam they can to shut people up. They get off on it. I'm willing to bet it gives them erections.

How the fuck does selecting a rule instead of making up some dumb bullshit on the fly make a difference? Most of these faggots are from reddit and they know all about citing their snowflake bullshit rules in bans.

Goddamnit get your head out of your asshole!

We were talking about v/indentitarian and it's replacement that you now mod. I was using v/sports to show you never had any interest in removing spam before but now you do so you can shove the fact you are mod in the old mods faces. Are you just replying from your inbox and not reading any context? You know used to support you so you cant use spinning as an excuse when anyone has a valid criticism of you. You helped take down a sub and now are modding the replacement and your excuse is spam which you ever bothered with before today as the modlog of v/sports shows.

How much spam have you removed from v/sports? Do you even look at that sub? The modlog shows all. You are smart enough to know that if you instigated the takedown of a sub and suddenly appear as mod how its going to look. You are deflecting from that because you think you are above scrutiny. How much spam is that sub going to get anyway.I think you accepted it so you can gloat over the former mods. They were assholes but that doesn't make you squattiing on a sub for personal reasons right either.

Its a temp job you can have any time you want because of who the owner is above you. That owner doesn't care about pizzagate at all and hates the users because most of them are normies. It was a 100k userbase and look at it it now. You should be ashamed of that. That whole movement died under your rules. None of you are members of that community, all you care about is if the rules are followed.

Yeah, just that and the mods of an "anti-censorship" sub using the sub stickies to attack users for their speech, brigading subs because you don't like their content, and generally using it as their own platform to stifle speech; and the image I posted of you banning a guy wasn't even me, it was middle_path. But yes, I care about people being banned for no reason, just like you claim to when it's not you doing the banning.

And hey, I thought you had some moronic point to make about replying? Guess you gave up on that?

I was addressing your arguments, as weak as they were. Guess you've run out entirely now. Let me know if you've got anything more than an amazingly non-self-aware attempt to get the last word.

None of those reasons contradict each other.

You should consider looking up "contradiction", because I don't think I have the patience to explain it to you any more clearly than just listing the contradictory reasons you gave again.

But I banned you from ROTR for half an hour. So which is it?

I never said you were smart. See above. And LOL at "half an hour".

But I do not agree with censorship

Except you ban people. And you're happy to use protectvoat as a platform to attack speech. How many stickies were there attacking middle-path for what he said?

I did the ROTR ban to fuck with you.

LOL, first you did it because someone told me I was a jew, then you did it to fuck with me, and first to reverse it I had to post anti-jew stuff, then I had to say I wasn't a jew, then it was just temporary (nevermind there are users there right now that have been banned for almost a year), is there anything you won't lie about?

If I had wanted to censor you I would have deleted all your comments in the PV thread and banned you from that sub.

Then you couldn't whip up the userbase here, much of which genuinely is against censorship, to use as a weapon against subs and people you want to shut down. Like middle_path and frugal and basically anyone who's ever disagreed with crensch, and once putt makes these changes, the sky's the limit, right?

Or maybe you're mad that I'm an anti-semite and you can't have me arrested because I don't live in the EU?

We've got jew, we've got alt, now just call me a shill and I'll hit the "I don't have an argument but I'll just character assassinate you based on zero evidence" trifecta.

@kevdude did nothing wrong.

Thanks for sinking exactly as low as I knew you would.

And you're a pro-censorship piece of shit whose only actual problem with reddit isn't that people were being censored, just that the wrong people were targeted.

Oh i post but not on voat. You think im going to hand you kikes free intel? lol

forum slide =/= exposing voat pedos

I've little to add to the actual discussion, but many thanks to all involved (Put + us goats) for the constructive discussion.

This, to me, is what makes this site function and form a great community.

Putt discredits himself when he compromises with you and SBBH. You act so butt hurt that most of the community doesn't want these changes that would hand over more power to cucks like yourself.

How were you censored?

You banned me. Do you know what "banned" means?

you weren't banned from the sub you were actually commenting in.

That somehow makes it better? Bans that are based on literally nothing are good?

But keep whining about how you were "censored"

Protectvoat mod's official position: Banning isn't censorship.

See you in another few weeks when you use this account again.

Everyone who disagrees with you is an alt (no evidence needed), just like everyone who disagrees with Crensch is a jew (no evidence needed).

A lot of Voaters talk about how creepy it is that you like 13 year old girls.

Yeah just like I am also a juggalo right? Low effort SRS trolling for you to take things out of context and twist it to slander others. It's JIDF-101.

You still avoided the point because as others can see, im completely correct. I hope you have had your fun protecting pedos and trolling those who want them gone because karma is very real, Kevin.

Boss man is a good guy I think. Wants the best for this place. Just doesn't have the tools to.actually get ahead on this site.

In it with someone claiming to be sanegoatiswear. I don't get why I am associated with SBBH as I don't think I have posted but 5 times in there.

Also how you are just the censor Nazi.

and you are a pussy ass bitch who always dodges the point like some kind of faggot.

Look I can rag on you until im red in the face but I don't need to. Looks like a lot of Voaters are openly talking about how you fucked that sub up in efforts to kill the grassroots movement.

That's literally what ShareBlue and CTR did so what does that make you?

No. Someone called you a jew. I banned you for that.

Right, I was posting exactly nowhere else on voat at the time, then I disagreed with your and crensch in protectvoat, and somehow within hours I was "a jew". Just like middle_path wasn't a jew, until Crensch broke out the pitchforks because middle_path said things he disagreed with, then suddenly he was a jew. I'm sure all these things are unrelated. Who is this "someone"?

You obviously have no sense of humor.

Right, censorship is funny. Unless it's in any subverse other than the ones you control.

Or is this one of those deals where you insinuate that I have some sort of malicious intent but have no actions to point to?

The fact that pizzagate is no longer a free sub is the malicious actions you engaged in. You literally turned it to reddit to protect pedophiles on Voat.

Fuckin full of shit

@puttitout

I purposefully tend not to involve myself in these types of discussions. I don't come here as often as many. To plenty of people here, this is a leisure thing they do maybe every day, but likely at least a couple times per week. There are power users that are significantly more active than the rest, sure, but for the most part, I'm inclined to believe that the majority tends to visit semi-regularly, that is in comparison to the ones I'll refer to hereon out as power users.

Now that I've described the user base (although quite simply), let's talk about how one would likely infiltrate a platform such as Voat. I'd assume the most popular method would be that of majority spoofing. Now, that's not a real term, but since I just made it up, I'll go ahead and explain it.

In these environments, users tend to rally behind power users, or users that tend to be extremely active, well known by most participants, and also the ones that tend to keep as up to date as possible on a variety of different topics, largely embodying the most popular recent discussions occurring. With that being said, one with intent to infiltrate would likely look to pay off, absorb, or heavily influence a power user. Once that system is fueled and allowed to expand, we have what I've recently called majority spoofing, a scenario whereby actors can influence large groups of people by anchoring ethos to a given individual/idea/ideology/etc. What one then does is create, purchase, or flip users/accounts inside the majority, while subscribing and echoing the ideas coming from the enlisted power user.

I don't think I need to go any further. You're a smart guy, Putt. You can put the rest of what I'm saying together without any trouble, and I know that. What worries me is that other users here aren't privy to those methods, as well as the shill trends we're often exposed to.

Therefore, I want to expand upon why this matters, how this relates to you as the manager of this site, and how this could turn ugly.

The information I'm sharing is important because the system you've proposed would have the user base (maybe I'm wrong here, and if that's the case, certainly correct me) vote democratically (by the majority) on rules in given subs. The problem with that is that I've just proposed a method to circumvent the democratic process. If someone has the means, they could easily set out to adopt the system outlined above. Genuinely, all it takes is sheer dedication and likely a little bit of money. Considering the people we're up against, it can't surprise you that they would attempt something like what I've stated.

This relates to you, Putt, uniquely in that when things go wrong, people look for someone to blame. Anon came here to watch your Reddit clone (don't be so naive as to assume it wasn't on purpose, all that moved were loud about it, or that it was only migrations from reddit) and as a means of spreading information. Yes, anon used you. Pout about it if you want, but it happened and is by all means still happening. Those same people can simply leave. They have a place to go outside of here. However, what your site does is rather unique. It works as a bridge. Some of us are thankful for that, others are visibly in disagreement. Regardless, seeing you fall would be a blow felt across plenty of sites. You can't let that happen. Think of this as anon bringing you a message.

When I say it can turn ugly, this is serious. In fact, I'm of the opinion that some have already revealed themselves (much too early, I might add...). Basically, what I'm asserting is that a democratically based system wouldn't be that good of an idea because it can be so easily exploited. And, while I'm only really here and speaking right now to make it known that this is a problem, I'm a little less of a solutions kind of guy. If you would insist that I instead offer a solution rather than just criticizing, I'll say this: what you really want to do is take your oldest and most loyal Voat users that helped curate this and spread the word about voat in the beginning, gather their perspectives, and make your rules based on those ideas. Why is that? I'd say those that have the most invested here would be the most loyal. Again though, I didn't come here intending to offer solutions, but only really to alert you to issues. Come up with your own, better fix if you need to.

Free speech is imperative. Censorship is the last straw. That blow will be felt, I assure you.

I strongly do not like this idea.

The ability to curate one's own space however one wants is, in my opinion, the key to reddit-style boards. A normal, old-school forum is objectively superior to a reddit-style one at everything except things like this. Creating 'super-moderation', wherein the moderators of their own, 'private' spaces are held to a particular set of rules (beyond the obvious like no CP or illegal shit) by empowered super moderators seems like the worst of both worlds to me.

Furthermore, it will encourage and empower the element on Voat who spend their time witch-hunting people (who mostly keep to their own subs, or have the audacity to post something that goes against the hive mind here). While the Shit Voat Says group (as I like to call them) does occasionally serve a useful purpose (like trolling @HenryCorp or getting rid of @she), I don't think they need any more empowering, their signal-to-noise ratio is already not particularly good.

I cannot find a philosophical or practical/technical justification for this. If you want moderators to all behave in a certain way (which sounds particularly 'reddity' to me) then get rid of the ability to create your own subverse and make all moderators serve Voat as a whole. Telling people, "you can make your own space here," in one breath, and then telling them that the SVS brigade will be watching their every moderation action and if the SVS brigade finds something they don't like there they will have justification within the rules of the site to destroy you is stupid and short sighted, in my opinion.

All I had to do last time was disagree with you and crensch in /protectvoat.

I'm all for this, just so long as it doesn't apply to system subs.

System sub rules should be created and managed by the voat admins, with input from the user base. The admins (like you, Putt) should get the final say on system sub rules. The moderators of system subs should simply be there to carry out any of the rules in place.

/v/whatever should only be governed by site-wide rules (i.e. no CP).

So yes, you do ban people from subs they've never participated in.

Which alt of yours was it that banned me from /r/Showerthoughts without a single fuckin' post?

Are you claiming you've never banned people from subs they've never commented or posted to?

Right, banning people from subs they've never even commented in is not abusing voat in any way.

But there you are moddng them both. Why?

I would be interested to see anytime I have talked about using alts.

You guys wouldn't risk this account for such things, this is your pride and joy handle. Those kind of sloppy actions are for gabara, beatle, expert... the "silly" accounts. The ones who act terribly towards everyone but you.

I also like how you are ok with moderator conduct.

Depends on the kind of conduct. I'm not okay with your misconduct in PV/Pizzagate, for example. I think you should be removed. You don't see me campaigning for it, though.

You are all about guilt by association so I am simply grouping you in with your group.

Then you are fucked you SBBH shareblue shill

I haven't attacked Putt, I'm being critical. Those are 2 entirely different things and the fact you perceive it as an attack is identical to how SJW's see hate-speech as violence.

PuttItOut perhaps that anon discussion feature you used some months ago might be a good idea for future discussions on this. As it is people are picking sides based on looking at people's profiles and handles rather than what they say.

@Xennios @Dancing_Queen read the OP and OP commentsin this thread and see here also(check the sub rules examples in the sidebar) https://preview.voat.co/v/voatdev/2135999

@knightwarrior41 I didn't forget ;)

I'd be interested in seeing a one account per person policy implemented. I think it would resolve some issues. ♡

He's paranoid. I wish we could help him, cause he's smart and funny, but he's become too paranoid to enjoy and support the site. He is suffering from trollception.

Haha. It's hardly comparable, bucko. I'm not attacking moderators to remove them right and left, I'm not excusing alt abuse and botting like you faggots do. You use alts and brag about it half the time, it's a joke.

Haha. I highly doubt anyone legitimate criticizes what I bring attention to. That's a funny notion though.

I don't care what you think of me, voaters message me in private and they acknowledge the way you guys behave. They're afraid of being targeted by you.

Holding accountable is not the same as attacking, and I have nothing to do with those two. I even scolded grifter for being unreasonable, but it's not like you would ever give me objective credit for anything.

People will be hesitant to comment here because of all the drama and shitposting. For some that might be the goal.

I don't think you realize how obvious you guys are.

Hey Voat, when SBBH en masse endorse something, you know it's not a fucking good idea.

no substance

you really love to deflect like a kike 😂

Which will do a fat lot of good if we still have to rely on an admin who is, as we are constantly told, to busy doing Dev work to actually admin. Don't think that the things you do aren't appreciated but it's the things you're not doing which is causing the current problems.

Canary?

The fact you and Crensch took that sub over renders anything you say about it meaningless. It's a truth-prison where legitmate posts are removed because of the rules you implemented.

100% of the mods are compromised and likely yours and cresnch's alts so you can still have a public reputation that's not attached to your main.

I can;t prove what you are thinking, that's why we investigate. Due to the actions of the past, nothing you say is credible, and pizzagate is entirely subverted. I notice that the Voat pizzagate community is no where to be found in the larger scene as well so I suppose you have fooled a few people, but most of us have moved on.

It's obvious you've got your eye on /v/PizzaGate, and /v/Gaming.

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Which alt of yours was it that banned me from /r/Showerthoughts without a single fuckin' post?

You can play dumb, but people are starting to see you for what you are.

Lol you making a boat out of foam.

Putt, where has @Cynabuns gone? Are they no longer part of your team? Why?

The Voat voting system... lots of people voiced fears of manipulation and abuse. Have you introduced clear systems to prevent anything of this nature? What preventative measures have been taken?

Will this apply to only system subverses, or will all sub-owners site-wide be at risk of losing their stake? Is it for high-traffic subs only? High sub counts?

Is this cow-towing to SBBH aspirations?

oh you killed that alt?

Millenial_Falcon

1) Which subverses are "mine" that do this?

RidersOfTheKike

2)

then what the fuck is the point of the block button? You guys are wanting too much control. It's fine how it is.

I strongly oppose this feature particularly for @system subs.

Freedom of speech should be the default.

If people want more heavily curated spaces they are welcome to create one.

I have no desire to vote to restrict what others are allowed to say and may well abstain from these votes on general principle.

Please reconsider the scope of this feature.

Go fuck yourself, Kevdude. Anyone with two braincells to rub together can see what you people are up to. You want this change because it means you can steal more default subverses.

If a mod is banning users and deleting comments cor nonspam/non-submission-rule reasons can that subverse be removed from v/all?

That includes some of your subs and /v/showerthoughts then as well

The last fucking thing you motherfuckers need is more power. You pricks ruined Voat.

It'll be ready when it's done. :D

Thinking out loud here:

--What problem is this fixing?

--Is it necessary to enact more rules to fix the problem?

--What problem could this be creating?

--How does selecting a rule violation--opposed to typing a reason--eliminate a mod being subjective about banning?

--Mod rules can be added or removed subjectively by the mods, thus allowing for them to ban based on rules anyway.

--Why is it bad for a mod of a small, niche subverse to be subjective with whom they want to allow to post?

Sounds good. I manually type the reason in anyhow, but it's a good system for transparency and saves a bit of time.

Just to hijack: Any word on when advertising is coming back?

Hey, remember when you sold us all out to ExpertShitposter?

I do.

https://archive.is/bb5ky

***"[–] Grifter42 0 points (+1|-1) 23 hours ago Shut the fuck up. If the truth came out about your group of toadies and sellouts, you and yours would be the most hated group of people on Voat, until you'd go under cover again. You're nothing but a Reddit ShareBlue member masquerading as one of us. So, how much did it cost to buy Putt? permalink parent

[–] ExpertShitposter 0 points (+0|-0) 15 hours ago (edited 15 hours ago) Not much. We are like an octopus, we have other means of applying pressure to select individuals. Especially isolated ones like putt with no political power IRL. permalink parent"***

Putt can you run subverse request?

I'll go test but I think I've only banned one person in 3 years and have never deleted a comment. What happens If I don't implement any rules? I have to suddenly make new rules if someone starts being a jagoff?

Very cool, Puttsy! We just need a stinking badge!

Naow: Pls fix sticky bug and that other one where smail replies go to my self-named subverse. :D

@heygeorge, what do? I not want be banned for not banning.

Did anyone ask for these changes that wasn't SBBH?

very good and thank you