Subverse rules are a feature Voat is implementing to remove subjectivism from moderator actions such as comment and submission deletions as well as user bans. Currently a moderator simply has to provide a “reason” why they are performing such actions, and seeing that often times this reason is made up on the spot, we are not happy with this. Going forward when a moderator performs such actions they will be required to select a rule violation. This requirement will help to establish the validity of the action.
Rules can be created at a subverse level by a moderator and Voat has some basic global rules, both of which are available as a selection on these moderator action screens as well as all report dialogs (comment/submission reports).
Rules will also be used in all domain and user bans going forward.
This feature is now in beta on the preview site and any testing would be greatly appreciated.
What needs testing:
- Subverse Rule creation
- Reporting comment and submissions in a subverse (making sure they show up in the v/sub/about/reports page)
- Moderator user banning and unbanning (all this code has been changed)
- Moderator comment and submission deletions
Test site: https://preview.voat.co/
P.S. The Vote feature is nearly fully implemented on the preview site, meaning you can create them, vote on them, and then manually process them for full lifecycle testing. :)
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go1dfish ago
I strongly oppose this feature particularly for @system subs.
Freedom of speech should be the default.
If people want more heavily curated spaces they are welcome to create one.
I have no desire to vote to restrict what others are allowed to say and may well abstain from these votes on general principle.
Please reconsider the scope of this feature.
Dudicles ago
Even those would be subject to whatever rules Putt decides they have to follow when curating content/users. I see no other real reason for this action other than what I posted elsewhere: it sounds like it's designed to allow for the "legitimate" removal of mods from subverses.
go1dfish ago
To be clearer I don’t think the rule feature and tying mod actions to rules is bad.
What I’m concerned about is the longer term plan to allow users to vote in new rules in @system sub verses and especially /v/whatever
If the voting aspect is limited to non system subs, and system sub rules are only sitewide + off topic then that could be a very good feature IMO.
But if allowed to subsume the site we will end up where Reddit did.
Another feature that might mitigate this is if non global rule violations result in moving a post to /v/whatever or some other catch all rather than removing the post as happens now.
Womb_Raider ago
Frankly, fish, I think this marks the point where a new website must be considered. We cannot trust him to bear the torch if his judgment falters despite overwhelming criticism when this idea was first announced.
We are going the way of reddit.
PuttItOut ago
Actually, it is the exact opposite direction.
go1dfish ago
Reddit’s redesign is adding removal rules and reasons and I’ve also heard they are exploring public mod logs.
Not aware of any plans for rule/mod voting.
The opposite direction of Reddit would be to make censorship impossible rather than easy.
Focusing on democratic censorship seems much more parallel to Reddit than the opposite of it.
Same destination, different path.
PuttItOut ago
Reddit has on more than one occasion implemented a current Voat feature so this doesn't surprise me.
We are viewing things from different perspectives concerning the vote code. Have you spent any time at the beta site and investigated this feature and it's capabilities?
Grifter42 ago
Hey, why'd you shut down Chat when your friend Beatle spammed it to death? Why didn't you just tell him to knock it the fuck off?
Oh, was it that you wanted an excuse to shut it down?
PuttItOut ago
I told you chat was dropped when we did the port because the socket libraries were not available. It will be back soon as their port is nearing completion.
Grifter42 ago
Bullshit. You shut down chat when it was spammed by Beatle, who was doing his fucking thing where he would make a name that was one letter off of other people, and use scripts to flood the chat with fucked up fetish shit. You said you were going to look into the people who did it, and then surprise surprise, you didn't. You entered into your absentee landlord mode, and fucked off for two whole months. What were you doing in those months? Are you even the same fucking person? I doubt it.
PuttItOut ago
I can't believe I don't block you... I don't have time to investigate like I'm the fbi. Chat was being raped, so I had to turn it off when it was being abused.
We tried to manage it and couldn't.
BaneGhostiSwear ago
lol screencap this voat! @puttitout just gave one reason
"socket libraries"
then changed the reason to
"chat was being raped, so i had to turn it off when it was being abused"
LOLOL @grifter42 you are wrecking this sjw nigger!
Grifter42 ago
It was your people that were flooding the chat! Also, what was it, chat being flooded, or the socket libraries? You're contradicting yourself.
You know what I think? I think you didn't like chat because people were asking too many questions.
PuttItOut ago
I have no people here any more. All my people left when r/niggles migrated. All I have now is my ideal to support free speech, and you should appreciate it because it's the only reason I haven't banned you.
Grifter42 ago
You ban me and you prove my point that you've been compromised. I've posted nothing against the rules of Voat. Revealing the abuse of the system that's going on isn't a fuckin' crime.
PuttItOut ago
This might be the only true statement your little fingers ever typed.
BaneGhostiSwear ago
@puttitout is being openly hostile towards people that stand for free speech.
hey @grifter42 if you haven't figured it out yet,
the @puttitout account is run by users like fuzzywords, disappointed, kevdude.
justin chastain and atif colo have 0 to do with voat now.
no no,
go find justin and atif.
i found atif and atif is literally not able to discuss voat AT ALL on any subject, not even to state that he can't talk about it.
Grifter42 ago
What happened to you?
Womb_Raider ago
To be fair, he's agreeing with you based on his comment, Grift. I don't trust him either but you're being overzealous.
Grifter42 ago
He's still a liar. Was it socket libraries, or chat flooding?
I know for a fact it was chat flooding, because I saw it first hand, and it was done by the same Beatlejuice that Putt was jovially talking with just a bit ago.
Womb_Raider ago
Voat has gotten weird ever since Atko and Putt disappeared for two months. It has not been the same since and I don't think it ever will be. I hope we start working to create an alternative platform, so that we can have a failsafe. I have lost faith in this one. It's the best we have. Is it the best we can do?