First off, @ESOTERICshade is @rarepeeks. This is not a joke. Yes, there are loads of archives and image backups that will never be deleted, should he disappear or delete.
Why is this a problem? Manufacturing consensus and vote manipulation. Other users never seem to push ESOTERIC's narrative, just his alts.
Here he is lying about his intentions in order to make his main username seem reasonable while his alts attack Vindicator.
How about voting on major changes to the subverse? His main username was ALL OVER that thread, and made THAT vote in some Crensched nest, but here's his alt's vote.
You know how the pedophiles we all want dead mock those around them by hinting at what they're really doing by admitting to something smaller?
Here he is admitting to being @smurfy69, innocently UPVOTING comments not because they were good, admitting to upvoting himself, where he has upvoted 422 times and downvoted 127 times on ONE account. Does anyone REALLY think he isn't brigading? Oh wait, Here's RAREPEEKS (ALSO ESOTERIC) numbers at 725 upvoted and 354 downvoted
@Puttitout, please see the above paragraph.
You'll also notice BOTH Esoteric and his smurfy69 account commenting in this concern troll thread by @ArtificalDuality -- both claiming to have suffered torture from directed energy weapons. Exactly the kind of LARPy concern troll bullshit known liar and drama queen @Jem777 was posting before Vindicator banned her - and she's also helping push it in this thread. You'll also find twistedmac11 joining in there.
@twistedmac11 seems more than a little invested in ESOTERICshade keeping his good name. And he always, always, always, always, JFC always, fuck... shows up to defend or agree with ESOTERIC. No, that's not everything. That's a very, VERY small fraction, yes, it's all archived and saved.
How much of what you see here has been shaped by him? Does any legitimate user really agree with him, or does he just groom new users into being his cheerleaders when he and his alts do their dirty work?
Here's @DeathtoMasonsASAP somehow finding a deeply-nested comment to respond to, and has that typical ESOTERIC-style Vindicator hate found on a verified alt here, here, and here.
Here's ES lying again about him thinking the rest of the mods are "cool" while attacking one. It's usually either that, or thinking all the mods are awful except one. Never really seems to commit one way or the other. Always has to pretend to be on the side of one of the mods, like this cringey shit where he tries to brown-nose kevdude.
I'm sure everyone now knows that the colloquially known "Donkey" is also @auralsects. What do you make of this where @auralsects responds where @ESOTERICshade should have? No, ES did NOT respond to that on the correct username at all, even after the fact. And who in their right mind would say this? Here he is talking about Donkey's JOB; who in their right minds would say THAT?
There are more usernames being researched, but what do you all see in these links?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2608242/13143338?=20
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2767239 (notice the difference in votes, and how useless his comment really is - somebody got a new toy and wanted to play with it)
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2490837 (10? 17? really?)
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2591260/13026383 (organic?)
https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/2569662
Feel free to ping all those users you know that are friendly to this pedophile-protecting D&C shill. I fully intend to put every single one of them under the microscope, along with anyone that attacks my mods.
This is why you have a MASSIVE asshole as an [O] mod. THIS is why I'm not nice to you. THIS is why I don't do daily mod duties here. THIS is why your mods want me where I am. THIS is the avalanche I created just by picking a fight with your loudest blowhard member that almost none of you called out. THIS IS WHAT I DO. And to all of you that even look at my goddamned mods sideways without a VERY good reason:
No more Mr. Nice Crensch.
EDIT
@twistedmac11 got flustered and lied about never supporting anyone trying to destroy the subverse, prompting @Vindicator to dig this one up.
EDIT 2
@Vindicator made the comment below about ESOTERIC's bullshit:
Here, @EsotericShade claims he's so ignorant of technology (a "retard") he had to make all these alts because passwords are too hard to remember.
But eight months ago, here he is having a conversation about how to use VPNs to game the voting system. Doesn't sound too tech ignorant here, now does he?
Incidentally, that thread shows him using multiple alts to try to take over a rule discussion, voting multiple times via different accounts and even bitching when Crensch missed votes that weren't made as top level comments that would be seen in his notifications. Lots of brigading, too. Here are three of them talking to each other, pushing the idea the mod team is run by intelligence operatives.
There are multiple comments by him in that thread as ES, rarepeeks, twistedmac11, dragonkiller and others concern trolling the idea that the rule discussion is some kind of trap created by Crensch to get people's names on a hit list -- he simultaneously votes multiple times and tries to scare other people away from letting their voice be heard. It's rather appalling how glaring it is in this thread, actually.
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think- ago
Congrats' @argosciv, you slimed yourself up @kevdude's butt, so that he made you a mod on v/ProtectVoat? Wow. Just wow!! /s
I'm definitely not on @argosciv's side, Kev. I don't mind if u/TrustTheTruth attacks him or not. I will definitely not defend him.
I know that TTT is just testing loyalities here by spitting out user names, but it cracks me up that he lumped Donkey, Are_We_Sure and argosciv together.
And you can be sure that I will be after your boy argo the minute he starts to push Satanism again (even if it's only by posting Satanic music crap) or is going to defend pedos like Michael Aquino or the OTO. Or promotes 'sex magick' or drinking blood. This is everything I have been fighting against.
Have a nice day, Kev.
@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall
argosciv ago
Actually, the invite totally took me by surprise. I asked @kevdude if he was sure, considering the potential shitstorm that could come from it and he said he was.
I've been helping on various fronts just for the sake of it and never sought to become a moderator of any subverse in the process - I decided to accept the invite merely because it was a gesture which I'm honored to receive, because I do actually care about the quality & culture of Voat and have been one of the most brigaded/gang-stalked users on this site since I had the guts to be honest and open about where I've come from and took my research in it's own direction, away from the party lines of TTT - which is exactly why that group of users targets me and tries to turn mods/users against me through manipulative tactics and talking points.
Despite what you may think, I absolutely do not defend proven pedophiles, nor do I promote or worship anything - especially not malicious criminal activities. What you choose to believe, is up to you.
Precisely. That's why they're putting my name in their little list, but then flipped their shit at me the moment I came out and denounced them for doing it.
We're better off keeping away from each other, so that we can both work towards bettering Voat without stepping on each other's toes. I do actually appreciate that you mean well in what you do, but it does no good for either of us, to be at each others' throats - indeed it plays right into TTT/ES(et al)'s subversion, if we argue.
This is the last I hope to have to say about this publicly - if you'd like to discuss grievances in private, I'll be glad to, but otherwise understand if you're not interested. I wish you well and have no interest in causing problems for you.
cc: @Vindicator, @Crensch, @srayzie
think- ago
This is what @srayzie wrote a couple of months ago about you (please see below). It is still valid.
Yes, you claim that Michael Aquino, one of the central Pizzagate figures is innocent = the allegations against him are not 'proven'. You disgusting piece of shit.
And unlike you, @srayzie and me at least had the balls to call you out in public, while you pitched the narrative that we must be shills behind our back.
I suggest you stay away from me as far as possible.
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Vindicator ago
It pains me greatly to see this shitstorm blow up AGAIN. To see people allowing their emotions -- which in this very thread we have proven were systematically manipulated for months and months with false information by a disgusting pack of shills posing as victims and researchers -- to run out of control and throw both logic and evidence out of the window.
It is neither fair nor wise to use a quote from srayzie -- especially from the middle of the ES gaslighting era -- as evidence of your beef with argosciv. You are claiming he tried to hurt other users. That he is here to disrupt the investigation. You need to show the actual evidence for that, or you are only continuing what ES and his minions started. ESPECIALLY if you are correct and have seen something I and Eric and Crensch have overlooked!
I pointed this out one of the previous times this blew up -- was it a coincidence it blew up my thread about Q pointing out the S8n twitter account tweet about Pizzagate? Really? You really cannot zoom out from the words people are saying in that comment thread and see how argosciv was painted with radioactive waste and then trolled into triggering a shitstorm to derail that submission?
For Christsake!
@srayzie, what do you see happening, when you read that thread now?
I think argo is off base on many of the conclusions he draws, and am not keen to write a book "defending" him. But this issue goes to the heart of the attacks against this sub and how they are carried out. So let's look at the evidence.
Here is the source for that claim, since you didn't provide it: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2670350/13528873 Argo says
I don't see Argo saying Aquino is innocent. He is asking for evidence of the claim Aquino is a pedo. I don't know much about Aquino or the Temple of Set, but I do know that the claim made against him by the three year old daughter of a Christian pastor turned out to be impossible, if police reports are to be believed (i.e. Aquino's innocence of that charge would be "credible"). Argosciv is only stating what his research showed. If there is evidence that research is wrong, it ought to be presented against Aquino.
What I've read about Aquino sounds like a psyop very similar to the Comet shooter -- desensitize the public with a big media event that causes them to dismiss ALL similar reports to cover up what's really going on. It wouldn't surprise me if Aquino himself paid the pastor to bring the baseless charges forward so he could debunk them and gain victim status, as well as a lot of free publicity for his "church."
I'm not clear on argo's full position on Aquino, but from what I've gathered, he believes all of the Satanic Panic stuff was orchestrated hogwash to cover for Scientologists.
You also have said repeatedly that argo is dangerous and harmful to women because he "promotes" sex magic and blood drinking. I spent over a week researching this. You'll need to find that for me, because all I ever saw was him being baited into admitting he'd engaged in it. I never saw him advocating it. I DID see a LOT of people joining the proven shill brigade SAYING he pushed it and was a pedo.
It took me three days of digging to find, but I did manage to dig up the original source of that jpg (Cropped jpg. Hello? Red flair!) that dragonkiller and Cc1914 were posting about him in that link and many other places. Here it is: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2201527/11173531?=20
First of all, he didn't volunteer the information. "Finska" drew it out of him by feigning interest and baiting him about vampires (a topic you yourself expressed interest in his research on, before the gaslighing began). The post is in v/pizzagatewhatever, and the comment is quite deep in the tree. And it was totally taken out of context, he wasn't advocating for people to make satanic blood sacrifices. He was admitting he had been involved in non-violent blood drinking and therefore could credibly talk about those who might be doing it violently. Further down the thread, argo replies to Finska:
The overall message of his comments within his post are right in line with the rest of us: "these people are sick." Now, clearly, he believes in "magic". But he has explained his motivation for posting here and for discussing his theories about disinfo regarding Satanism. This is from the private messages he sent to Crensch, which Crensch posted in this thread:
I should not be surprised by anything anymore, given the fact that the disinfo pushers have manipulated the entire world. But I am surprised. I'm surprised and disappointed after all we've been through together, all of us, that any serious person on Voat would believe anything claimed without evidence, and persist in believing it in spite of evidence they are being played.
Why do we even have the submission rules to prevent manipulation if we are just going to throw them out the window when we start making comments? What's the point?
think- ago
Ok, Vin, that did it for me. I will step back as a mod, immediately.
That the allegations against Michael Aquino are 'not proven' is ridiculous. Maybe you would like to read the post @HugoWeaving did some time ago as a starter.
I cited @srayzie's comment, because she summed it up very nicely. You chose at the time to not take @srayzie's and my statements seriously.
You actually have the nerve to quote this:
I won't add anything more, I don't want to turn this into a shitshow. I am writing this in public, because of your comment above, which you choose to put on a public thread, instead of PMing me.
I can't even express what I feel. Congrats to @argosciv.
I will stay on board as a normal user, and will post more research. At least I have more time now for doing new submissions. /sad smile
@srayzie @Crensch @MolochHunter
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youllrememberme ago
Now, you finally see the truth. Just know they will brigade me for commenting out of anon. It's worth it to me.
srayzie ago
I love you @think-. You’re one of my favorite people. But, this isn’t going to be like my usual message to you. You chose to publicly disrespect every single one us mods.
Even if you don’t like @Argosciv, I think this issue should have been handled privately. @Kevdude especially deserved the respect to be made aware of your concerns in private. We’re adults and can have a civil discussion. This reminds me of how you publicly went after @Blacksmith21 and you knew it upset Vindicator.
Me and Argosciv are going to have big problems if he starts talking to me that way again as well. I totally disagree with it and don’t want to be a part of it. However, the Argosciv that I have been communicating with lately, has been very positive. He’s acting like the Argos that I first met before I stopped liking him. He has not even once, sent me Satanic music or brought up anything disturbing since we started talking again. He’s been nothing but helpful. Even to me.
Your friends and fellow mods should not have to feel like we’re walking on egg shells because we get along with someone that you don’t. That’s not right. I totally disagree with him talking about those sorts of things in pizzagate. I’ve always felt that people should be more sensitive there because there are a lot of victims.
However, he’s a mod of ProtectVoat now. Not pizzagate. What is it that makes Voat unique Think-? Free speech. So, outside of pizzagate, whether we like it or not, he has the right to free speech like everyone else. That doesn’t mean I won’t go off on his ass if he did it. I definitely wouldn’t put up with it if he started disrespecting me when it comes to God.
Me and Kevdude have had our differences. But, he showed me how important free speech is to Goats. That was definitely a frustrating learning experience. But it was necessary. I don’t think GreatAwakening would be as successful as it is today if it weren’t for him keeping my butt in check. Free Speech is everything to him. So it didn’t surprise me that he invited Argosciv to be a mod there. Especially since he has been tremendously helpful lately.
I’ve talked to Argosciv on a more personal level lately. He’s really working on himself. Like I said, we all deserve second chances. I’m very forgiving when I can see someone sincerely trying to make changes. I could have just hated my mom for everything she did. But I recognized she was trying. I’ve lived my whole life trying to show compassion to people struggling. We’re all human. If not, I would have grown up miserable. Argosciv didn’t have to be your friend. Even when you were rude to him, he treated you respectfully. I’m a lot closer to you than I am him. This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about what’s right.
I’ll be honest. I’m not only disappointed, but a little pissed off. What have us mods talked about for months? We’ve seen a coordinated effort of shills trying to divide us. Everyday you’re here, you’re fighting with these people. So, what bothers me more than anything, is that you would publicly address mod issues in THIS THREAD. Why on earth would you resign in this thread, unless you were wanting to either turn other users against us mods even more, hurt Vindicator, or embarrass Argosciv, Vindicator, and Kevdude? You reacted out of emotion. You knew that this would all be archived and haters would later twist everything and use it against us.
Why would you use my old comment, where I was telling Argosciv off, and dig up the past after him and I worked out our difference? Why would you rehash all this for Argos who’s trying to make changes? To me, it’s either to show other users that “you are right”, to punish Vindicator, to make more people attack us, or to divide the rest of the mod team. I’m sure you’ve earned brownie points by some users for walking away from us “Cancer Mods.” All at the expense of us. At least you got upvotes!
Of all people, @Vindicator has been your friend and you guys cared about each other. So to resign the way you did and not give him more respect than that is beyond me. So did you give him time to find a replacement? Or did you just quit and leave him to deal with it?
Well, you’re my friend. I care about you. I’m always here if you need me.
srayzie ago
See parent...
@Crensch @Shizy @MolochHunter
Vindicator ago
Indeed. Esoteric summed argo and several other users up very nicely. Repeatedly. Exactly how he wanted people to see them. Which was my point and why it is not acceptable that you do the same thing.
That is complete bull. I took them deadly seriously. I addressed the issue right in the same thread. I also spent weeks discussing this with you privately, repeatedly asking you for evidence. I then devoted an entire week to researching this myself.
Oh? Then all of this will need to be debunked:
Gee, thank you SO MUCH for sending me that link. Weeks ago, when we first started discussing this. FFS!
That makes me sad. But you posted this comment and quit a mere fourteen minutes after I posted the comment above, which included weeks of research and took me over five hours today to write. You didn't even have the grace to read what I wrote and weigh the evidence I presented. And you did all that even though you know me. If that is how you are going to do things, you should not be a mod of this battle zone. :-(
think- ago
I thought you were able to use searchvoat.co. And the internet is full of info about Satanic Ritual Abuse and Michael Aquino, but you have the nerve to quote @argosciv instead?
You did 'weeks of research', and this is what you came up with:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2777433/15685905/10#15685905
Yes?
Excuse me?? Only because a frickin' troll has a stance, I am not allowed to share it? Really?
Calling out @argosciv was the only thing Esoteric did right. And I started reading the board in December 2016, as a lurker, before I signed up nine months later.
I constantly read @argosciv's stuff, and was able to form an opinion of my own.
Is this from Wikipedia? This is, of course, a great source for info about sexual abuse crimes, as we all know. /s
Yes. And I PMed you five hours earlier, saying that I pondered to step back as a mod, and told you why.
But you never replied to this PM, instead you went to the public thread, and left the comment above.
I have a sense of dignity.
Reading your comment did it for me.
You will be surprised, but I have been reading Pizzagate research for two years now.
Do you think I need a comment like yours to form an opinion about Satanic Ritual Abuse, Michael Aquino, and @argosciv?
Did you actually read what you wrote? It looks terrible for a Pizzagater.
Right batcha' you, brother. /looks sad
Well, I'm glad that it doesn't cause you any chagrin that I stepped back. Now you are free to choose someone who you think will be more suitable to 'be a mod of this battle zone'.
It is beyond me why you did what you did, but for reasons whatsoever you choose to take sides with @argosciv.
I will never be able to understand it.
@Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Shizy
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Vindicator ago
Which is why you, or HugoWeaving or whoever needs to debunk it if it's wrong, instead of ignore it and then claim another user is evil for asking for evidence.
I thought caring about victims was what we are here for.
Wow. So you took that as argo mocking victims? WTF?
Check the English syntax again. He is saying Crensch should care about victims who challenge what abusers tell them.
think- ago
This is what you quoted:
This is what you asked me:
Yes, I do.
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think- ago
@kevdude @shewhomustbeobeyed @MolochHunter @bopper @gamepwn:
Please see my reply to Vindicator above. Thanks.
think- ago
@rooting4redpillers @GreenDell144 @Mad_Helm @Michael84 @mjvictims
I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
rooting4redpillers ago
@think- You’ve been a wonderful mod. Many thanks for your support. I hope you’ll still be here, for at least as long as I’m still here. 💕
think- ago
Awww....thank you, @rooting4redpillers! Much appreciated! :-) :-)
Yes, I will stay on the board. I will have more time now to post submissions. :-)
Please keep up the good work!
gamepwn ago
Aw man this just made me so sad. You are one of the best here think and one I came to see as a friend. Why are you and Vindicator having a fallout? I agree though. How anyone can defend Aquino is astounding. That demon is one of the central figures in Pizzagate...might need to do a refresh coarse for people here and make a thread on him here again.
Vindicator ago
No one is defending Aquino.
think- ago
@Mad_As_Hell @sore-as-loosers @luvgabe @pete2016: @kestrel9
I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
think- ago
@TrishaUK @DerivaUK @UnicornAndSparkles @TheSavant @Scirel:
I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
think- ago
@IShallNotFear @maurice @21yearsofdigging @InnocentAngels @girlinashittycountry:
I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
IShallNotFear ago
That's disappointing. To be honest, I just skimmed through the comments. I can't say whether or not you made the right call. I'm not a big fan of forum drama, I just came here to stop pedos. I'm sure your the same way too.
maurice ago
I hope you're staying within the community and continuing to research. You're added bulk amounts of great research. Thank you. Sorry to hear you're stepping down, but I understand.
think- ago
Thank you, @maurice. Yes, I will stay on the board, now I will have more time for my research.
Thank you for contributing here, I have been impressed by your digging skills. And I have always enjoyed collaborating with you on the threads. :-)
think- ago
@bopper @swordfish69 @shadow332 @new4now @9217:
I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
think- ago
@angelafogo @darkknight111 @Podge512 @letsdothis3 @gamepwn: I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
angelafogo ago
Blessings. There are two sides in this discussion. One side is playing, the other is being played. I do not feel Voat is safe anymore. Too polluted.
think- ago
@EricKaliberhall @shewhomustbeobeyed @kevdude @ben_matlock @Factfinder2: I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
heartbroke.