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think- ago

Congrats' @argosciv, you slimed yourself up @kevdude's butt, so that he made you a mod on v/ProtectVoat? Wow. Just wow!! /s

I'm definitely not on @argosciv's side, Kev. I don't mind if u/TrustTheTruth attacks him or not. I will definitely not defend him.

I know that TTT is just testing loyalities here by spitting out user names, but it cracks me up that he lumped Donkey, Are_We_Sure and argosciv together.

And you can be sure that I will be after your boy argo the minute he starts to push Satanism again (even if it's only by posting Satanic music crap) or is going to defend pedos like Michael Aquino or the OTO. Or promotes 'sex magick' or drinking blood. This is everything I have been fighting against.

Have a nice day, Kev.

@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall

argosciv ago

Actually, the invite totally took me by surprise. I asked @kevdude if he was sure, considering the potential shitstorm that could come from it and he said he was.

I've been helping on various fronts just for the sake of it and never sought to become a moderator of any subverse in the process - I decided to accept the invite merely because it was a gesture which I'm honored to receive, because I do actually care about the quality & culture of Voat and have been one of the most brigaded/gang-stalked users on this site since I had the guts to be honest and open about where I've come from and took my research in it's own direction, away from the party lines of TTT - which is exactly why that group of users targets me and tries to turn mods/users against me through manipulative tactics and talking points.

Despite what you may think, I absolutely do not defend proven pedophiles, nor do I promote or worship anything - especially not malicious criminal activities. What you choose to believe, is up to you.

I know that TTT is just testing loyalities here by spitting out user names

Precisely. That's why they're putting my name in their little list, but then flipped their shit at me the moment I came out and denounced them for doing it.

We're better off keeping away from each other, so that we can both work towards bettering Voat without stepping on each other's toes. I do actually appreciate that you mean well in what you do, but it does no good for either of us, to be at each others' throats - indeed it plays right into TTT/ES(et al)'s subversion, if we argue.

This is the last I hope to have to say about this publicly - if you'd like to discuss grievances in private, I'll be glad to, but otherwise understand if you're not interested. I wish you well and have no interest in causing problems for you.

cc: @Vindicator, @Crensch, @srayzie

think- ago

This is what @srayzie wrote a couple of months ago about you (please see below). It is still valid.

Yes, you claim that Michael Aquino, one of the central Pizzagate figures is innocent = the allegations against him are not 'proven'. You disgusting piece of shit.

And unlike you, @srayzie and me at least had the balls to call you out in public, while you pitched the narrative that we must be shills behind our back.

I suggest you stay away from me as far as possible.

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[–] srayzie 6 points (+8|-2) 4 months ago

Shut the fuck up for once. Stop trying to convince everyone that Satanists aren’t bad!. It is absolutely ridiculous that you would try to convince a pizzagate community with this bullshit. Scientology and Satanism are SICK.

Your wannabe dragon ass is on my last nerve. Why would anyone on pizzagate want to take advice from someone who admittedly drinks human blood and defends Satanism? Who tells us that an upside down cross isn’t evil and told ME that Jesus was eaten as a baby?! You need to lay off the shrooms BRO.

@Vindicator @Think-

I thought before, that maybe this freak was just high. He’s constantly trying to convince others, even on Twitter, that Satanism isn’t evil. Then he expects me to read his fricken series so I can know the truth. He gets pissed at anyone who doesn’t agree and expects us to take the time reading his lame shit that he writes while he’s tweeking. Maybe it’s all an act and he’s a paid shill.

@Crensch

Vindicator ago

It pains me greatly to see this shitstorm blow up AGAIN. To see people allowing their emotions -- which in this very thread we have proven were systematically manipulated for months and months with false information by a disgusting pack of shills posing as victims and researchers -- to run out of control and throw both logic and evidence out of the window.

It is neither fair nor wise to use a quote from srayzie -- especially from the middle of the ES gaslighting era -- as evidence of your beef with argosciv. You are claiming he tried to hurt other users. That he is here to disrupt the investigation. You need to show the actual evidence for that, or you are only continuing what ES and his minions started. ESPECIALLY if you are correct and have seen something I and Eric and Crensch have overlooked!

I pointed this out one of the previous times this blew up -- was it a coincidence it blew up my thread about Q pointing out the S8n twitter account tweet about Pizzagate? Really? You really cannot zoom out from the words people are saying in that comment thread and see how argosciv was painted with radioactive waste and then trolled into triggering a shitstorm to derail that submission?

For Christsake!

@srayzie, what do you see happening, when you read that thread now?

I think argo is off base on many of the conclusions he draws, and am not keen to write a book "defending" him. But this issue goes to the heart of the attacks against this sub and how they are carried out. So let's look at the evidence.

Yes, you claim that Michael Aquino, one of the central Pizzagate figures is innocent = the allegations against him are not 'proven'. You disgusting piece of shit.

Here is the source for that claim, since you didn't provide it: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2670350/13528873 Argo says

'Prove Aquino is a pedo, like, actually prove it(not necessarily you personally, but, anyone with evidence of such). I've read what he's had to say on the matter and he seems credible.'

I don't see Argo saying Aquino is innocent. He is asking for evidence of the claim Aquino is a pedo. I don't know much about Aquino or the Temple of Set, but I do know that the claim made against him by the three year old daughter of a Christian pastor turned out to be impossible, if police reports are to be believed (i.e. Aquino's innocence of that charge would be "credible"). Argosciv is only stating what his research showed. If there is evidence that research is wrong, it ought to be presented against Aquino.

What I've read about Aquino sounds like a psyop very similar to the Comet shooter -- desensitize the public with a big media event that causes them to dismiss ALL similar reports to cover up what's really going on. It wouldn't surprise me if Aquino himself paid the pastor to bring the baseless charges forward so he could debunk them and gain victim status, as well as a lot of free publicity for his "church."

I'm not clear on argo's full position on Aquino, but from what I've gathered, he believes all of the Satanic Panic stuff was orchestrated hogwash to cover for Scientologists.

You also have said repeatedly that argo is dangerous and harmful to women because he "promotes" sex magic and blood drinking. I spent over a week researching this. You'll need to find that for me, because all I ever saw was him being baited into admitting he'd engaged in it. I never saw him advocating it. I DID see a LOT of people joining the proven shill brigade SAYING he pushed it and was a pedo.

It took me three days of digging to find, but I did manage to dig up the original source of that jpg (Cropped jpg. Hello? Red flair!) that dragonkiller and Cc1914 were posting about him in that link and many other places. Here it is: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2201527/11173531?=20

First of all, he didn't volunteer the information. "Finska" drew it out of him by feigning interest and baiting him about vampires (a topic you yourself expressed interest in his research on, before the gaslighing began). The post is in v/pizzagatewhatever, and the comment is quite deep in the tree. And it was totally taken out of context, he wasn't advocating for people to make satanic blood sacrifices. He was admitting he had been involved in non-violent blood drinking and therefore could credibly talk about those who might be doing it violently. Further down the thread, argo replies to Finska:

Finksa: Also you may know that this week Harvey Weinstein was accused of forcefully performing oral sex on a woman who had her period. Do you think he was consuming starfire?

Argo: Forceful(ie: without consent) = rape

Is she a dragon? Dunno... maybe Harvey just wanted blood? I won't make too many presumptions about him other than he is VERY sick and not worthy of forgiveness for a very long time - personal opinion.

The overall message of his comments within his post are right in line with the rest of us: "these people are sick." Now, clearly, he believes in "magic". But he has explained his motivation for posting here and for discussing his theories about disinfo regarding Satanism. This is from the private messages he sent to Crensch, which Crensch posted in this thread:

“You lot pretend to care about the victims but consistently shit on the work of someone who broke free with just enough critical discernment in-tact, to dedicate their "fucked-up brain" to bringing down the corruption rather than contribute to it as was originally planned for me(as in, they were hoping to turn me into a shill and/or worse, but instead, I'm here doing everything I can to help - doesn't at all occur to you pricks why my brain is so "fucked-up", does it?).

Y'all only care about the victims who parrot the anti-Satanist rubbish that was drilled into them by their abusers - far-be-it that you might take notice of the one person who's putting together some of the hardest-to-understand connections...

…I spend all fucking day every day(on borrowed fucking time, no less - not a shred of income, certainly not a shill, paid or otherwise) researching and trying to get to the bottom of this god-forsaken mess which I've been stuck in since birth, if you want to shit all over that, go riiiight ahead.”

I should not be surprised by anything anymore, given the fact that the disinfo pushers have manipulated the entire world. But I am surprised. I'm surprised and disappointed after all we've been through together, all of us, that any serious person on Voat would believe anything claimed without evidence, and persist in believing it in spite of evidence they are being played.

Why do we even have the submission rules to prevent manipulation if we are just going to throw them out the window when we start making comments? What's the point?

srayzie ago

I pinged you to my response to @think-

srayzie, what do you see happening, when you read that thread now?

I see that this was not the place she should have discussed this matter. I see the shills that want us divided scored today.

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think- ago

"Finska" drew it out of him by feigning interest and baiting him about vampires (a topic you yourself expressed interest in his research on, before the gaslighing began).

No. I wasn't interested in vampires. I was only interested in what he wrote about Elisabeth Bathory, because he came up with an alternative explanation for body parts found in her castle. I never thought of her being a 'vampire'.

I was only interested in her because she was accused of torturing and murdering children; and, being aware that these allegations might have been made up by her enemies, I found the explanation argosciv came up with interesting.

That is what I wrote (as linked by you above):

First, thanks for sharing this. Interesting.

I read what you wrote about Elizabeth Bathory:

"Liz's responsibilities were often of a medical nature(especially tending to the wounded during times of battle) which can explain for the presence of some corpses and amputated parts, etc, in appropriately confined or 'secretive'(protected/sealed) places."

Do you have a source for this? Asking bc I've never read of a 16th century woman of high nobility tending to the wounded before. But then, things in Eastern Europe might have differed from Western Europe. IDK.

I always thougt that the accusations against her were based on something she really did - torturing and abusing girls (nothing uncommon for male nobility at the time at all btw), but because she was a woman and there were reasons her enemies wanted to get rid of her she was brought to trial. The numbers of her murders seem to be grossly exaggerated though.

@EricKaliberhall @MolochHunter @Crensch @srayzie @Shizy

think- ago

Ok, Vin, that did it for me. I will step back as a mod, immediately.

That the allegations against Michael Aquino are 'not proven' is ridiculous. Maybe you would like to read the post @HugoWeaving did some time ago as a starter.

I cited @srayzie's comment, because she summed it up very nicely. You chose at the time to not take @srayzie's and my statements seriously.

You actually have the nerve to quote this:

Y'all only care about the victims who parrot the anti-Satanist rubbish that was drilled into them by their abusers - far-be-it that you might take notice of the one person who's putting together some of the hardest-to-understand connections...

I won't add anything more, I don't want to turn this into a shitshow. I am writing this in public, because of your comment above, which you choose to put on a public thread, instead of PMing me.

I can't even express what I feel. Congrats to @argosciv.

I will stay on board as a normal user, and will post more research. At least I have more time now for doing new submissions. /sad smile

@srayzie @Crensch @MolochHunter

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youllrememberme ago

Now, you finally see the truth. Just know they will brigade me for commenting out of anon. It's worth it to me.

srayzie ago

I love you @think-. You’re one of my favorite people. But, this isn’t going to be like my usual message to you. You chose to publicly disrespect every single one us mods.

Congrats' argosciv, you slimed yourself up kevdude's butt, so that he made you a mod on v/ProtectVoat? Wow. Just wow!! /s

Even if you don’t like @Argosciv, I think this issue should have been handled privately. @Kevdude especially deserved the respect to be made aware of your concerns in private. We’re adults and can have a civil discussion. This reminds me of how you publicly went after @Blacksmith21 and you knew it upset Vindicator.

And you can be sure that I will be after your boy argo the minute he starts to push Satanism again (even if it's only by posting Satanic music crap) or is going to defend pedos like Michael Aquino or the OTO. Or promotes 'sex magick' or drinking blood.

Me and Argosciv are going to have big problems if he starts talking to me that way again as well. I totally disagree with it and don’t want to be a part of it. However, the Argosciv that I have been communicating with lately, has been very positive. He’s acting like the Argos that I first met before I stopped liking him. He has not even once, sent me Satanic music or brought up anything disturbing since we started talking again. He’s been nothing but helpful. Even to me.

Your friends and fellow mods should not have to feel like we’re walking on egg shells because we get along with someone that you don’t. That’s not right. I totally disagree with him talking about those sorts of things in pizzagate. I’ve always felt that people should be more sensitive there because there are a lot of victims.

However, he’s a mod of ProtectVoat now. Not pizzagate. What is it that makes Voat unique Think-? Free speech. So, outside of pizzagate, whether we like it or not, he has the right to free speech like everyone else. That doesn’t mean I won’t go off on his ass if he did it. I definitely wouldn’t put up with it if he started disrespecting me when it comes to God.

Me and Kevdude have had our differences. But, he showed me how important free speech is to Goats. That was definitely a frustrating learning experience. But it was necessary. I don’t think GreatAwakening would be as successful as it is today if it weren’t for him keeping my butt in check. Free Speech is everything to him. So it didn’t surprise me that he invited Argosciv to be a mod there. Especially since he has been tremendously helpful lately.

I’ve talked to Argosciv on a more personal level lately. He’s really working on himself. Like I said, we all deserve second chances. I’m very forgiving when I can see someone sincerely trying to make changes. I could have just hated my mom for everything she did. But I recognized she was trying. I’ve lived my whole life trying to show compassion to people struggling. We’re all human. If not, I would have grown up miserable. Argosciv didn’t have to be your friend. Even when you were rude to him, he treated you respectfully. I’m a lot closer to you than I am him. This isn’t about taking sides. It’s about what’s right.

I’ll be honest. I’m not only disappointed, but a little pissed off. What have us mods talked about for months? We’ve seen a coordinated effort of shills trying to divide us. Everyday you’re here, you’re fighting with these people. So, what bothers me more than anything, is that you would publicly address mod issues in THIS THREAD. Why on earth would you resign in this thread, unless you were wanting to either turn other users against us mods even more, hurt Vindicator, or embarrass Argosciv, Vindicator, and Kevdude? You reacted out of emotion. You knew that this would all be archived and haters would later twist everything and use it against us.

Why would you use my old comment, where I was telling Argosciv off, and dig up the past after him and I worked out our difference? Why would you rehash all this for Argos who’s trying to make changes? To me, it’s either to show other users that “you are right”, to punish Vindicator, to make more people attack us, or to divide the rest of the mod team. I’m sure you’ve earned brownie points by some users for walking away from us “Cancer Mods.” All at the expense of us. At least you got upvotes!

Of all people, @Vindicator has been your friend and you guys cared about each other. So to resign the way you did and not give him more respect than that is beyond me. So did you give him time to find a replacement? Or did you just quit and leave him to deal with it?

Well, you’re my friend. I care about you. I’m always here if you need me.

srayzie ago

See parent...

@Crensch @Shizy @MolochHunter

Vindicator ago

I cited @srayzie's comment, because she summed it up very nicely.

Indeed. Esoteric summed argo and several other users up very nicely. Repeatedly. Exactly how he wanted people to see them. Which was my point and why it is not acceptable that you do the same thing.

You chose at the time to not take @srayzie's and my statements seriously.

That is complete bull. I took them deadly seriously. I addressed the issue right in the same thread. I also spent weeks discussing this with you privately, repeatedly asking you for evidence. I then devoted an entire week to researching this myself.

That the allegations against Michael Aquino are 'not proven' is ridiculous.

Oh? Then all of this will need to be debunked:

In 1987, during the Satanic ritual abuse hysteria, the three-year-old daughter of a Christian clergyman accused Aquino of sexually abusing her during Satanic rites held at his Russian Hill home. Responding to the allegations, police raided Aquino's home, however—after no evidence was found to substantiate the allegation and it was revealed that Aquino was living in Washington D.C. at the time of the alleged abuse—the police decided not to charge him with any felony.[51] Aquino attempted to bring formal charges against the chaplain and psychiatrist who had encouraged the girl's claims, although he was more successful in bringing legal action against two books—Carl A. Raschke's Painted Black and Linda Blood's The New Satanists—that had suggested that he was guilty.[52] He then left the Presidio and was transferred to St. Louis.[53] In 1994, Aquino retired from active service in the Army, being honourably transferred to the Retired Reserve and awarded the Meritorious Service Medal.[54]

Maybe you would like to read the post @HugoWeaving did some time ago as a starter.

Gee, thank you SO MUCH for sending me that link. Weeks ago, when we first started discussing this. FFS!

I will step back as a mod, immediately.

That makes me sad. But you posted this comment and quit a mere fourteen minutes after I posted the comment above, which included weeks of research and took me over five hours today to write. You didn't even have the grace to read what I wrote and weigh the evidence I presented. And you did all that even though you know me. If that is how you are going to do things, you should not be a mod of this battle zone. :-(

think- ago

Gee, thank you SO MUCH for sending me that link. Weeks ago, when we first started discussing this. FFS!

I thought you were able to use searchvoat.co. And the internet is full of info about Satanic Ritual Abuse and Michael Aquino, but you have the nerve to quote @argosciv instead?

You did 'weeks of research', and this is what you came up with:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2777433/15685905/10#15685905

Yes?

Indeed. Esoteric summed argo and several other users up very nicely. Repeatedly. Exactly how he wanted people to see them. Which was my point and why it is not acceptable that you do the same thing.

Excuse me?? Only because a frickin' troll has a stance, I am not allowed to share it? Really?

Calling out @argosciv was the only thing Esoteric did right. And I started reading the board in December 2016, as a lurker, before I signed up nine months later.

I constantly read @argosciv's stuff, and was able to form an opinion of my own.

Oh? Then all of this will need to be debunked:

Is this from Wikipedia? This is, of course, a great source for info about sexual abuse crimes, as we all know. /s

But you posted this comment and quit a mere fourteen minutes after I posted the comment above

Yes. And I PMed you five hours earlier, saying that I pondered to step back as a mod, and told you why.

But you never replied to this PM, instead you went to the public thread, and left the comment above.

I have a sense of dignity.

Reading your comment did it for me.

You didn't even have the grace to read what I wrote and weigh the evidence I presented.

You will be surprised, but I have been reading Pizzagate research for two years now.

Do you think I need a comment like yours to form an opinion about Satanic Ritual Abuse, Michael Aquino, and @argosciv?

Did you actually read what you wrote? It looks terrible for a Pizzagater.

And you did all that even though you know me.

Right batcha' you, brother. /looks sad

If that is how you are going to do things, you should not be a mod of this battle zone. :-(

Well, I'm glad that it doesn't cause you any chagrin that I stepped back. Now you are free to choose someone who you think will be more suitable to 'be a mod of this battle zone'.

It is beyond me why you did what you did, but for reasons whatsoever you choose to take sides with @argosciv.

I will never be able to understand it.

@Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Shizy

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Vindicator ago

Is this from Wikipedia? This is, of course, a great source for info about sexual abuse crimes, as we all know. /s

Which is why you, or HugoWeaving or whoever needs to debunk it if it's wrong, instead of ignore it and then claim another user is evil for asking for evidence.

Ah we only care about the victims who 'parrot', yes?

I thought caring about victims was what we are here for.

Wow. So you took that as argo mocking victims? WTF?

Check the English syntax again. He is saying Crensch should care about victims who challenge what abusers tell them.

think- ago

Check the English syntax again.

This is what you quoted:

Y'all only care about the victims who parrot the anti-Satanist rubbish that was drilled into them by their abusers - far-be-it that you might take notice of the one person who's putting together some of the hardest-to-understand connections...

This is what you asked me:

Wow. So you took that as argo mocking victims? WTF?

Yes, I do.

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think- ago

@kevdude @shewhomustbeobeyed @MolochHunter @bopper @gamepwn:

Please see my reply to Vindicator above. Thanks.

think- ago

@rooting4redpillers @GreenDell144 @Mad_Helm @Michael84 @mjvictims

I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

rooting4redpillers ago

@think- You’ve been a wonderful mod. Many thanks for your support. I hope you’ll still be here, for at least as long as I’m still here. 💕

think- ago

Awww....thank you, @rooting4redpillers! Much appreciated! :-) :-)

Yes, I will stay on the board. I will have more time now to post submissions. :-)

Please keep up the good work!

gamepwn ago

Aw man this just made me so sad. You are one of the best here think and one I came to see as a friend. Why are you and Vindicator having a fallout? I agree though. How anyone can defend Aquino is astounding. That demon is one of the central figures in Pizzagate...might need to do a refresh coarse for people here and make a thread on him here again.

Vindicator ago

No one is defending Aquino.

think- ago

@Mad_As_Hell @sore-as-loosers @luvgabe @pete2016: @kestrel9

I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

think- ago

@TrishaUK @DerivaUK @UnicornAndSparkles @TheSavant @Scirel:

I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

think- ago

@IShallNotFear @maurice @21yearsofdigging @InnocentAngels @girlinashittycountry:

I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

IShallNotFear ago

That's disappointing. To be honest, I just skimmed through the comments. I can't say whether or not you made the right call. I'm not a big fan of forum drama, I just came here to stop pedos. I'm sure your the same way too.

maurice ago

I hope you're staying within the community and continuing to research. You're added bulk amounts of great research. Thank you. Sorry to hear you're stepping down, but I understand.

think- ago

Thank you, @maurice. Yes, I will stay on the board, now I will have more time for my research.

Thank you for contributing here, I have been impressed by your digging skills. And I have always enjoyed collaborating with you on the threads. :-)

think- ago

@bopper @swordfish69 @shadow332 @new4now @9217:

I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

think- ago

@angelafogo @darkknight111 @Podge512 @letsdothis3 @gamepwn: I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

angelafogo ago

Blessings. There are two sides in this discussion. One side is playing, the other is being played. I do not feel Voat is safe anymore. Too polluted.

think- ago

@EricKaliberhall @shewhomustbeobeyed @kevdude @ben_matlock @Factfinder2: I have just resigned as a mod. Please see parent. Thank you.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

heartbroke.