This user has attacked mods, lied about mods, accused mods of crimes, supported known liars and disinfo shills, and has some very suspicious things going on with the account, including death threats on me and @Vindicator linked to the username. Sorry in advance for the suckfest this is, but it seems dealing with these particular types of usernames requires a lot of background information and behavioural pattern context. The bottom line is these "people" lie, and lie, and lie some more, and lie again, and double down constantly; it never stops, and the lies seem accepted by other users in their group which causes the unwary normie to think the accusations and lies legitimate.
For those that are interested in the context and Springer-tier drama showing she lies and accuses srayzie of awful things and why user @zyklon_b is relevant, you will find it all here.
Gothamgirl threatens mods with having spoken to the police
Gothamgirl accuses srayzie of being responsible for the disappearance of pizzagaters, threatening to kidnap her child, and PUTTING CHILD PORN IN HER PHONE
This is what happens when you ask Gothamgirl to support her claims. Then she goes on to ask if I'm knocking Titus' work, too as if that's some kind of untouchable sacred cow. Apparently what I MISSED in the "Here's a .pdf that it's not safe to download, just take my word for it that the contents are real!" thread is this drivel:
soon to be new By age kennedy Missing identification card?runk rn and I'd hope you'd do Qhe *ork for meXXX As for *haQ drove me Qo DG, iQ *ould definiQely have Qo do iQh Qhe experimenQal aspecQ Qhey bring forQhX MeQal kinda alays gives Qhis !hey, you're angry and *eirdX Guess *haQ, QhaQ's OK!! And honesQly DG furQhers QhaQ by saying !hey, Qhere are primal subconscious urges deep *iQhin youX Defying Qhem and indulging Qhem makes you sQ
That nothing whatsoever came of. It's the kind of thing I would do if I was doing something bad and had unlimited funds to send people out posting crazy shit that kinda looked like it might be a lead in order to keep the 'investigation' going in perpetuity.
For some reason during all of this, username @StephaniePaddock decides to post this threat against me and @Vindicator, and this one includes @gamepwn for some reason. Coincidence? Maybe. But how did GothamGirl find out about it just to claim she had nothing to do with it? Another happy coincidence that she stumbled upon it? Again, maybe. But why does her paramour, (proof of claim) @zyklon_b's bio say "I am a performance artist ALL here is satire." and the username claims, "Performance art."
For the record, I, like @srayzie, like zyklon_b... or did. But he has the motive, the same words, and the shitposting plausible deniability badge for being a shitposter. If you were framed, Zyklon, my apologies, but instead of telling that bitch to be cool, you supported her in continuing her attacks despite me being involved and you knowing what happens when I get involved; hell, you even said you knew she was in the wrong, dude.
To /v/PizzagateNoMod @Gothamgirl posts complete horseshit numbered up to 162 there, apparently copied from some random website that very clearly posts low-tier bot wordsalad. It's not just 162 submission, because many are separated into parts like this one "LHOHQ "Info/search" #125 Part 3". More of her posts have just the 1 upvote and zero comments than not, suggesting that nobody has found anything of value in anything she posts. Entire pages of 1upvote/0comments show up in her history.
Checking this page, you can see she has 911(exactly) posts to PizzagateNoMod, which suggests she was posting horseshit simply to reach that number for some symbolic message to others or for some unhinged psychological need. Her submission and comment most downvoted tells a story of someone who submitted such useless and nonsensical shit that nobody cared to really investigate what she was writing, and that her comments were so boring that her most downvoted have happened in the past 2 weeks.
To me, all of this suggests that she is a mostly-botted (or insanity-driven) account that has been activated for the deep state's last Hail Mary play to distract you all and cause burnout on the mod team with Jem777's unsubstantiated "death".
Anyone care to defend Gothamgirl? Anyone care to make a case for her not to get flaired? If so, bring your A game below. I am more than happy to change my position based on new evidence or other perspectives on the evidence.
realityisinsanity ago
This board has gone to shit, because of the trolls and mods.
Crensch ago
Cool. Support the claim that this board has gone to shit because the mods.
Janice0771 ago
Are you sure that this RIPJem person isn't a cleverly crafted bot?
I just toyed with it a bit and it is reminiscent of an AI bot that I had the pleasure of "communicating" with back in the late 90s.
Watch the patterns.
Janice0771 ago
You're being played by GothamGirl and others. It's a psychological roundabout game designed to make you question yourself, your judgement, your foundation, and throw you into fight-or-flight defense. Once that instinctual neurochemical process begins, it's incredibly easy to manipulate your victim and create an illusion that the rest of society sees as your victim being the one with the problem instead of you. This, of course, furthers that fight-or-flight response to defend ones self and the cycle repeats ad nauseam.
Makes you feel fucking crazy, doesn't it? That's exactly what it's intended to do.
She should be labeled as dangerous, along with this RIPJem screamer who accused moderators of being complacent in the crime of murder, which would be a red flag to even a first-year psychology student.
RIPJem ago
What do you know about The Truth?
Did you know Jenny Moore?
Do you know George Sweigart?
Have you witnessed extreme crimes involving the most powerful people in the world?
Have people you worked with been Tortured and Murdered for knowing The Truth?
We are not the ones who work with CPS, who are also defending CPS and claiming there is nothing to see.
Here is one of your THREE TOTAL COMMENTS on Voat, "which would be a red flag to even a first-year psychology student".
WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF THE TRUTH?
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN?
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN FLINT?
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN DEARBORN?
WE KNOW MORE THAN ALL OF YOU COMBINED.
Janice0771 ago
To anyone paying attention: Note her reaction. She took completely irrelevant comments made by me, and threw them out here in an attempt to force a fight-or-flight response in me to defend myself.
This detracts from her nefarious intentions, redirects the spotlight from her actions to mine.
It's classic psycho-social manipulation. She's just not really good at it.
Janice0771 ago
Wow, there are a whole lot of straw-men there, Sally!
The fact that you used the word "we" to describe yourself is somewhat neurotic. Your handlers did an awful job trying to assimilate you before you had a grip on your splits.
RIPJem ago
We were falsely attacked and brought up by YOU FIRST when no one else here did.
WHY?
If you are so interested now, why didn't you comment on all of the other related posts including the hit piece on Jenny Moore after she was killed that had over 750 comments?
When you have only contributed three comments in total, they are all relevant.
YOUR SUDDEN INTEREST REEKS OF NEFARIOUS MOTIVES.
We are not dangerous unless you are afraid of The Truth.
We are warning everyone else about the real dangers.
What do you really know?
We have posted HUNDREDS of questions recently.
@Carmencita and @Fogdryer is the only one who can seem to answer any of them. Why is that?
What did they know that no one else here knows?
Who did they Trust?
Are you denying that Jem777 was Jenny Moore?
Are you denying who Jem777 came back onto Voat to meet with?
Are you denying that Jenny Moore is dead?
Are you denying that Jenny Moore was murdered?
Do you know Jenny Moore directly?
Do you know any of the people involved directly?
We are not one person.
We know more than ALL OF YOU COMBINED.
We have been here since THE BEGINNING.
We know where The Truth is. Do you?
Janice0771 ago
"We have posted HUNDREDS of questions recently."
Yes, you certainly have. You must. It's integral to your operation.
We call those "fishing expeditions" in the legal realm.
RIPJem ago
Why can't you answer any of the questions posed?
What do you know about Jenny Moore's MURDER?
What keyword triggered you to attack?
Was it Knights of Pythias?
Why are you so afraid of The Truth?
We know you work with CPS and are defending CPS when Everyone knows they are directly engaged in child trafficking and abuse.
Do you support Ashton Kutcher and the McCain Institute?
Do you know about the I-94 project?
Do you also support the Emanuels and Podestas?
Do you know where the Podestas were "Made"?
Do you know where Anthony Weiner was "Made"?
Do you know where Robert Byrd was "Made"?
Do you know who Robert Byrd mentored?
Do you know who Jack Lew mentored?
Do you know what Satan's Ability is?
Most people and groups "in the legal realm" are EVIL and CORRUPT.
Which are you?
Shizy ago
Maybe nobody feels like wasting their time answering the rambling questions of a total fucking psycho! Get over yourself freak! You're a pathetic troll and no one even bothers to read your cut and paste bullshit anymore!
RIPJem ago
A psycho would create hit pieces about members of the community after they died sharing The Truth.
A psycho would attack, slander, spread lies, and make false accusations about Jenny Moore, and betray her exactly as Judas betrayed Jesus Christ.
A psycho would call for backup and organize a complete disinformation campaign to target, threaten and attack any others who stood up for Jenny Moore and The Truth.
A psycho would mock Jesus Christ, call Good People despicable names, and send grotesque cupcakes as a sick joke after they were exposed as corrupt.
A psycho's glorified assistant would show up after their army of corruption and ignorance was defeated and exposed to repeat broken childish insults out of anger, desperation and embarrassing defeat when the rest went silent with shame and cowardice.
WE EXPOSED YOU FOR WHAT YOU REALLY ARE. YOU ARE ALL FOOLS AND COWARDS.
Jenny Moore is not the only one who was slandered, attacked, doxxed, threatened, tortured and murdered for The Truth.
We know why none of you can answer the questions. We know why you are attacking with ignorant rage, and are unable to even address The Truth. We know how empty you feel inside when you forsake Jesus Christ. It is still not too late to stop being Evil and stupid. Just being stupid is Evil enough.
The Truth is Unmistakable.
Janice0771 ago
I did not give you permission to ask me questions.
You are therefore not entitled to answers.
RIPJem ago
Apparently they are of great interest to you or you wouldn't have commented.
We never asked you any questions until you made false accusations and spread more lies.
We see your multiple accounts downvoting, while only one of your accounts can upvote your own comments.
Your responses and tactics are becoming increasingly pathetic.
YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED LIKE THE OTHERS.
Now you are projecting in pure desperation. Name calling is used by those who have no valid response.
WE HAVE WATCHED EVERYTHING.
The Truth cannot be Disputed.
Janice0771 ago
Are you still humping my leg?
<chuckle>
Shizy ago
That's awesome Janice!!!
ESOTERICshade ago
That was funny as hell. Sorry, but i'm gonna have to steal that and use it for myself :)
Janice0771 ago
=D
RIPJem ago
Threats are not funny.
Murder is not funny.
Hell is not funny.
Extreme corruption and human trafficking is not funny.
Global enslavement is not funny.
Did you forget what Pizzagate really is all about?
Are you sure you ever knew?
Do you know the story of Judas?
Do you know who you are agreeing with?
Do you think they have Good intentions?
Why do you think they specifically initiated this attack?
Why do you think they and others are so afraid of The Truth?
Why do you think the labels were handed out?
What is being exposed?
Who else has told you The Truth all along?
Who else was threatened, attacked and slandered here?
Who else was tortured and murdered for The Truth?
You must know what is going on here.
You remain complicit to it all.
Are you too weak to stand up for what is Right or put your Fake Reputation on the line?
Are you too weak to put your life on the line?
Is your soul worth anything?
Do you sell out your friends and family in Real Life too?
If you don't believe in Q, and you don't believe in Jenny Moore, and you don't believe in Jesus Christ, and you don't believe in The Truth, what do you believe in, ESOTERICshade?
Tasteless jokes that are miserable excuses for overwhelming defeat and exposure of nefarious intentions?
ESOTERICshade ago
RIPjem, What I "believe" in are the things that I know from direct observation in my life, And trust me, its far stranger than you would ever understand.....
Janice0771 ago
To everyone else watching: See what she just did? She took completely irrelevant comments made by me, and threw them out here in an attempt to force a fight-or-flight response in me to defend myself.
This detracts from her nefarious intentions, redirects the spotlight from her actions to mine.
It's classic psychological manipulation. She's just not really good at it.
ESOTERICshade ago
I think the Jem situation was probably a flash in the pan and a weird anomaly that will disappear on its own you guys will stop calling attention to it.
I also think the flairing is a bad idea. It is a very slippery slope and it could devolve into mods flairing posters just because they think a poster is obnoxious. That is a privilege no mod should have in a supposed free speech zone.
It will also create division between posters and mods. Mods will be seen as "special" people and v/pizzagate will probably gain the reputation of being a place with gatekeeping mods. People will be afraid to truly speak their mind.
Making threads like this also feeds the trolls. They probably feel like they are winning and getting under your skin. If you start flairing people I think it might lead to a never ending situation of the same trolls testing the mods with new alts.
Sarah has been here a long time and will probably always be here. Instead of engaging it, which is what the trolls want, I would ignore it.
Vindicator ago
These are all valid points, ES. But how would you recommend dealing with users who take advantage of Voat's "Comments are Sacred" prime directive to regularly lie and deceive other users for the purposes of damaging the forum? This is one of the few tools Voat provides to deal with that.
Ten months ago, when Jem's false claims and manipulation stirred so many people up, I addressed the disinfo directly and politely. No one remembered that, however, in Voat's labyrinthine, ever-moving maze of comments and replies. All it took was one tweet by George Webb to throw this subverse into chaos for going on three weeks now.
The mod team has worked very, very hard to run this sub the way most users want, so that their hard work and research are not suppressed or subverted by forum sliding shills. We are not at all interested in creating a chilled atmosphere where people are afraid to speak, and have taken a strong position when we see that happening (as you know). There is absolutely no reason a person who respects other users and the community mission would ever GET a flair.
We have had this "privilege" all along, ES, and we have never once used it, let alone abused it. If a mod were to abuse it, it would give you ample ammo to appeal to Voat at large and have them removed. In that sense, it actually exposes mods to MORE oversight.
You can certainly make the argument that this might chill people's ability to just sling shit whenever they feel like it, which is a time-honored tradition on Voat at large. But this isn't Voat at large. It's a focused sub with a pointed mission that a small army with unlimited funding is paid to disrupt. People have the entire rest of Voat to vent their spleen, and username flairs earned here don't show outside of this sub.
On the other hand, allowing people to get off scott free for making baseless accusations against other users and mods DOES have a chilling effect on speech. You succeeded in driving the vast majority of those interested in researching Q to a whole different subverse in this manner.
@think- @Crensch
ESOTERICshade ago
I understand the accusations that were made against the mods in the Jem case were untrue. I get it.
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BUT just because you think someone is lying or trying to deceive does not mean they are. They might just understand the subject matter better than you do. Your occult knowledge is pretty weak, at best
The Q Larp becomes more ridiculous every week. A TON of people don't believe it is real. I spoke my mind on the subject. Q is an anonymous source that contributes nothing and as far as pizzagate goes, the Q larper just rehashes OUR research once in a while. This sub is for pizzagate, not a laboratory to examine anonymous larpers.
Vindicator ago
Jem told everyone I doxed her IP address and sent thugs to beat her up in her house, Esoteric. Just exactly what does that have to do with me "understaning occult knowledge" or not? I don't need initiation into gnostic mysteries to discern that kind of concern trolling bullshit. You can't just wave away her baseless claims with more baseless claims that a privileged few have special insight. At least not on v/pizzagate.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is bullshit and we all know it. You would never harm another Voat user and I know that. You never doxed anybody and you didn't dox Jem. Mods can't even see IP addresses. You have never done that and you never would in my opinion. Jem got banned because Jem could not follow the posting rules. I watched it all in real time. Jem got banned because of Jem. Jem understood the posting rules and refused to comply to those rules. I do not hold you, Vindicator, responsible for that. Jem did that to herself. I know that.
I will stand by my comment on that. Bro....everything in the occult world is about "duality" and everything has a "opposite." I tried to tell you one time that in an occult sense that "sarah" means "the mother of the Jews" but you just was not having it. If you don't believe me just look it up dude. I have a reason for the things I say ok? I love ya dude, but study....
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Sorry I can't copy pasta right now, but the part you said is drivel is actually pretty clear if you replace the * with a 'w' and the 'Q' with a 't'. Not sure of the point for doing this...
Crensch ago
User @Omnicopy came up with that here
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Fascinating! Thanks
Kekmet-Peperoni ago
Its probably Israeli Conscripts In Shillsvillamo bay, or the Global Engagement Centre, or JTRIG shills. But there has been usernames that look like other peoples, one guy was trying to invite me to a lets be a satanist mason video, selling the devii is misunderstood bollocks. These shills will really try to fuck with you.
Crensch ago
Yes, they will.
darkknight111 ago
I suuport the idea of a shill marker. There's certain obnoxious people on this board who deserve it.
Is it possible she just completely snapped/lost it during the Jem incident? IE the Jem incident is the root cause.
Alternatively, the incident could be a trigger for a "true face mode". However, I believe this is a less likely explanation than above.
Noticed that this behaviour was sudden, dated around the incident.
Just speaking my observations. Staying neutral on this.
Crensch ago
Well, that's entirely possible.
I'd say it's more likely she was activated, given her submissions being wordsalad, and there being EXACTLY 911 in /v/PizzagateNoMod, her accusations of actual crimes, threats of police, and the usernames that still seem to support her constantly, and have not called her out or asked her WTF is wrong with her, I'm of the mind that my conclusion is more likely by a long shot.
darkknight111 ago
I think I might have a way to either prove or disprove my theory (which would validate yours).
Theory: If we look at her PRE July 2018 submissions (all of them), we can attempt to date any signs of decaying quality or the exact date of the change.
If there were a decent number of good submissions Pre July 2018, then its plausible that she went insane after the Jem Incident.
Just offering my thoughts on this and a way to find the truth.
Now then, I think I found something BIG to a case I've in looking into for the past few months. I'll be sure to ping you when its ready.
Crensch ago
Useful mentally ill or shill, should the flair not apply?
darkknight111 ago
I'll leave that thought to you.
Have fun. Phuhuhu.
https://giphy.com/gifs/danganronpa-monokuma-pupup-r1jRkG1PiiLQY
Mad_As_Hell ago
Is it okay if I don't give a flying fuck about any of this? AFAF
Crensch ago
It sure is!
Shizy ago
Well laid out! I too noticed that Gothamgirl was very non confrontational for a very long time, and then pounce she just went completely out of her previous character. Very strange for sure!
Berrysoetasty ago
"That nothing whatsoever came of. It's the kind of thing I would do if I was doing something bad and had unlimited funds to send people out posting crazy shit that kinda looked like it might be a lead in order to keep the 'investigation' going in perpetuity."
I agree, This is exactly what this is. Unless it's someone who isn't very smart trying to LARP and has emotional/mental issues. But why would they waste so much time if they didn't have an agenda? There seems to have been quite a few people on here who's point is to mislead, throughout time. At first it was people saying how stupid pizzagate is and that people are idiots for investigating it, then came the weird posts that tied stuff back to the picture of the hand or stuff about reptilians ect. Now it just seems to be people that kind of seem legitimate but also spread disinformation or false leads. Idk just a thought..
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I seem to have made a wrong turn. I was trying to get to v/Pizzagate, but it looks as though I've stumbled into v/SoapOpera instead.
Oh, wait.
to distract you all and cause burnout on the mod team
RIPJem ago
WHY ARE THE MODS SO AFRAID OF THE TRUTH?
Why are those involved only targeting @GothamGirl with this hit piece when they have labeled, slandered, threatened and attacked others including Jenny Moore and anyone who defends Jenny Moore and The Truth?
Why did Mods call @Carmencita such profane and revolting names?
Who has @Carmencita stood up for in the past?
Why did the mods accuse multiple people of being "Sarah"?
Why did the mods accuse others of being advanced bots?
WE ARE NOT SARAH. WE ARE NOT AN ADVANCED BOT.
We do not work with Sarah. We do not work with bots. We do not work with GothamGirl. We do not work with Are We Sure.
The Truth is Unmistakable.
We knew Jenny Moore directly. We know more than ALL OF YOU COMBINED.
We have also received threats, including from the mods and others.
Jenny is not the only one who was threatened, slandered, doxxed, attacked and murdered.
Why can't anyone here answer the questions posed over recent weeks?
Why are the mods so DESPERATE to Hide and Silence The Truth?
Do any of you know the answers to these questions or any of the others posed to you?
Are you still going to argue that Jenny is still alive?
Are you still going to argue that Jenny is a CIA disinformation agent?
Are you still going to argue that Jenny was not murdered?
Who did Jenny return to Voat to meet with and what happened?
WHO WAS HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING THAT ALWAYS TOLD THE TRUTH, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
Crensch ago
So, no defense of Gothamgirl? Just an attack on the outing of a liar and word-salad poster that certain other well-liked and respected users here seem to have an affinity for?
Shizy ago
SNNNOOOOORRREE! You're so boring l! Get something new!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I've barely had any major interactions with GothamGirl to make a comment on anything about her or if she likes to bed married men or even if FlynnL1ve5 is in the middle of a divorce and looking for a night cap. The entire thing seems wierd as fuck to me that this is even in this sub. Although, this has given me the idea to start a dating site for Q believers. It would be a great way to avoid dating libs...
Sackajahweeda ago
A dating site you say? Qpid 4 Stoopid? Quickie? Under the Quilt of the Qultists? Trust the (family)plan? The ideas are endless!!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
LOL! You're quite creative!
think- ago
LOL - couldn't help laughing. I'd throw in: 'Qties'. ;-)
srayzie ago
Omg that is perfect lol
think- ago
:-)
srayzie ago
Well I thought you knew me and the screenshots speak for themselves. She’s accusing me of crimes. She’s involved with Sarah. Sarah is giving death threats. You don’t have to know her to figure ouy of usa she’s lying.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I'm not taking a side in this. Simply engaging with any of this drama is a distraction. When Jem bought the farm, I stated that I wasn't believing any of it and moved on, which is what everyone needs to do regarding drama. It's not worth wasting the time and energy on. Distractions slow down research.
Crensch ago
Kind of pertinent to the mods who have to deal with Sarah's alts constantly. It's nice you get this safe little bubble where you feel you can be such a pacifist, but it's pretty rude to tell those doing the work behind the scenes to allow such a thing that they should just move on.
If it were simply "drama", I would not be in on it. It's a coordinated effort between multiple accounts, some very well liked, some aged well, and some as personalities outside of Voat.
False leads and character assassinations and vectors of attacks on the mods that suggest to all kinds of people out there that "the pizzagate mods on voat caused the death of a researcher" and "one of the PG mods put CP on some poor girl's phone!" tend to do the same. Many here believing such stupid things, too, apparently. You think that doesn't slow the progress on the research?
Must be nice to not have to worry about a mod here, the one with the most experience modding here, and one of the most knowledgeable users here, getting accused of being responsible for the supposed death. In a way that makes it look like legitimate accusations leveled against him due to manufactured consensus.
You've got some good perspectives on some things, and I thank you for your input, but you're not in a position to need to consider more.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You've got some good perspectives on some things, and I thank you for your input, but you're not in a position to need to consider more.
Thanks and I won't.
I have a good idea about what's going on around here and I don't take kindly to people who are attention whores who tell people something as though it's some special secret like srayzie likes to play as evidenced by her own hand, and I've seen her in action when she made the comment in a PM to me revealing that she is a PG mod and not to tell anyone.
Why doesn't she want anyone to know she's a mod on v/Pizzagate? Is there some sort of shame that accompanies this duty? Strange...
Crensch ago
Revealing? It's not like it's some big secret. I don't know her intent here, and your bringing this up is highly suspicious. Why is any of this relevant?
Screenshots? Verbatim quotes? Anything but you claiming she wrote something and ensuring that everyone thinks that either you're interpreting her words however you want, or that you're telling stories?
It is strange, isn't it?
I know you won't. There's either no need, and thus a happy Sesame Street-level black-and-white view on the subject is the efficient way forward, or there is another, more sinister reason for you not to.
I don't really want to think the latter, but your response here throws up quite a few red flags.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I just went to take a screenshot of her comment about her being a PG mod, and suddenly the PM she sent me is gone. How exactly does that happen? It happened, she said it, why is it now missing from my Inbox?
If you go back and read her comments in the thread we're on now, you can see she states: I’ve been here since the beginning when pizzagate broke. All this time, I’ve worked and shown I have credibility. I have these people trying to tarnish my name, apply “pizzagate mod” to it. Do you want a mod on a board who's obviously embarrassed of her title? How great can a mod be when they seem to see it as a negative?
When she told me she was a PG mod on Aug. 3rd, I did go to v/Pizzagate and she wasn't listed as a mod, but I see that now she is. What is the deal with this, and why did she get all bent out of shape about being called a Pizzagate mod? I don't understand the reasoning for her feeling embarrassed or called out.
Now that I see she pulled the same kind of "Shh, don't tell" tactic with GothamGirl, I'm suspicious, too.
I'm also suspicious because it's easy to see from this thread that srayzie automatically takes offense if you don't side with her. I was trying to be as unbiased as possible until she started replying to me with this air of authority acting as though I had done something horribly wrong, then saying I'm not the same person she remembers speaking to? What? My "voice" doesn't change on here. I have no alts.
You can go ahead and see all the red flags you want with me, but I wouldn't want someone as a mod who is overly sensitive and expects everyone to agree with her, and seeks out and/or creates drama.
Here she is trying to stir up more drama by posting a thread titled "This mod sucks!" https://voat.co/v/JellyPit4Mods/2679816
This is a bit mean, too: https://voat.co/v/SoapboxBanhammer/2666149
I'm here to do research. Trolls have always been a variable of "conspiracy theory" boards. It's always going to be that way. If people can't identify them on their own, that's their problem. Sure, trolls are here to play mind games and spread disinfo, so if you want to start labeling people you truly believe are trolls, or one's like me you determine are going against the grain, I have to wonder how many members are going to have their good reputations tarnished under the guise that you're trying to help people know who the trolls are.
If you see red flags with me except for what you're perceiving in this thread, bring it on.
srayzie ago
Both of those posts are me playing with friends! I’m friends with @MolochHinter and @HeyGeorge! Those are shit posting subs. That’s what they do there!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Hey, that's cool. So it's a place for trolls to troll each other. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
srayzie ago
It wasn’t the pizzagate or GreatAwakening sub! So yes, we can troll each other all we want in other subs because it’s fun!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Trolls will troll!
srayzie ago
For someone who says, “Simply engaging with any of this drama is a distraction” regarding my defending myself when someone was spreading complete lies about me, apparently doesn’t apply to you. What a hypocrite.
You were being heartless and said “Yeah, I'm not going to hand out hugs and pats on the back. This isn't a therapy session.” I never pinged you and asked for your sympathy! You butt in and became part of the drama.
After saying “considering how old you look in your photo, I can bet that I was contributing to conspiracy boards while you were still in high school,“ I see that you’re implying that your way of dealing with things is the correct way. I guess that’s not true because you acted like an immature whiny cunt when you said “You know, I'm backing off. I just submitted my last thread to your GA board. After all, it's not as if you ever contribute to my threads anyway, so no big deal.”
What I was probably telling you is that I started working more behind the scenes as a pizzagate mod. Why? If I must once again, prove myself because you, like others, twist the story and try to make me look bad, then here you go.
The first week I became a pizzagate mod, I was threatened by a user who said he would pay to have my son raped. That user, who I won’t ping, has a history of showing he’s dangerous. Simply using his username, you can search the Internet and see that he’s dangerous and has been for years.
He started going on Gab, discord, 8chan, and on podcasts accusing me and Vindicator of all kinds of sick pedophilia type things. Pizzagate mods are often targeted. Especially Vindicator. I’m not just some drama queen that makes all this shit up. This isn’t fun to me. I’m sick of all this, and want to focus on Q! I’ve proved myself with Sara, Jem, and now GothamGirl. I’ll prove myself again. Then you can back the fuck off.
This is the thread where he said he would pay to have my son raped...
The Pro-Pedophile-OTO-Satanic-Cult /v/pizzagatemods are winning! Can't even post High Court of Australia victory against OTO satanic pedos to /v/pizzagate due to pedocensorship
Look at the posts he would make about me....
Crazy srayzie the child fucking SBBH/Pizzagate pedomod exposed after the first 1st hour on JewTube White Nationalist Stream
Crazy srayzie calls me a pedo - then starts looking at CP before sharing it again on voat with the rude bits blanked out. (Her lame argument against me backfires
He was also asking people to dox me and Vindicator. Believe what you want. I’m wore out and I have other things to focus on than constant attacks on my character. MolochHunter is my buddy. Me and my friends here are goofy. You’re making a damn fool out of yourself.
@Crensch @Think- @shizy @Vindicator
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
The first week I became a pizzagate mod, I was threatened by a user who said he would pay to have my son raped.JPEG That user, who I won’t ping, has a history of showing he’s dangerous. Simply using his username, you can search the Internet and see that he’s dangerous and has been for years.
How did he know you had a son? Are you telling me you're that stupid to have actually mentioned you have a son knowing the trolls who are on this board? You know, nobody can attack something if they don't know it exists. It's as though you're dangling bait for them. While I'm not defending his threat... Tsk, tsk on you, Mom. smh
I noticed you sure do love to call people nasty names. Do you talk like that in front of your son? Seriously, I'm surprised to discover that you even have a kid because I thought you were a lesbian considering the way you're always calling another daily contributer "doll face" and praising women on their "vagina power" Ex. here in this "shitpost" you created with your friends. How often do you all go out and have a beer together? https://voat.co/v/JellyPit4Mods/2679816, archived: http://archive.is/bNXsT
Why are you so obsessed with who's a man and who's a woman on here? That PM you sent me asking about my gender is gone, too, just like the one where you told me you were a secret PG mod. Why wasn't your name listed in the PG mod list at the beginning on August? By the way, only the bottom dwelling trolls think they're smart by acting all buddy-buddy and immediately slide into asking ID (gender, age, location) questions on an anon board and expect members to tell them the truth. If they're paying you to pigeon hole anons, they're wasting their money.
https://tenor.com/view/the-anime-man-stupid-cunt-gif-9247011
srayzie ago
The one I call doll face is a fucking MAN bitch. Another friend! He calls me bro and dude. Do you not have a sense of humor?
About your gender, I told you that I suspected you were a female because you were sweet but tried to act toughpublivly and I was right.
You’re a fricken stalker now trying to make me look bad and every time you are making yourself look even more like an immature deceptive cunt. Just leave me alone.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Oh, now I'm a stalker.
Thanks for admitting that you asked me my gender, so why can't I find that PM? It's gone just like the one where you asked me not to reveal that you were a PG mod. How do the PMs disappear?
srayzie ago
You’ve got issues. I have no clue. If you think mods have that ability, you’re wrong.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I think you've got issues, too. You won't even answer my questions about your son. And, yes, I think that anybody on here should not be posting about their kids. Just like I think people shouldn't be posting their kids' pics on FB. It's just beyond stupid.
srayzie ago
I don’t post my kids pics anywhere. No I don’t act the same way in front of my son. On Voat, I can let my hair down. I don’t have to be proper or politically correct. I don’t even curse in front of my husband. What I do outside of pizzagate and GA is my business. My sense of humor is my business.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You have no sense of humor, and it's not funny the way you go around calling authentic researchers cunts and bitches, then can't handle the heat when one calls you out. You're pathetic. You never even provide any useful original research. All your posts are of stuff that's been presented whether it's Q posts or news you've seen.
srayzie ago
I never said that part was funny. Some of the things I’ve posted have been presented, some I have researched on my own. Who cares? We all do our part. I’m here because I care about kids and my country. That doesn’t mean that I have to put up with CUNTS like you. That doesn’t mean I can’t go to other subs, use my right to free speech and play with my online friends all I want.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
If you're calling people cunts you better have a damn good reason for it, or you need to shut the fuck up when they start to retaliate instead of acting like a huge cry baby.
srayzie ago
Me the cry baby? Lol. I replied about everything needed to prove you wrong. The serious stuff has been dealt with. I’m a big girl. If you want to go have a tantrum now because I called you a cunt, then my sense of humor may just come out. Just a little heads up. This is my specialty. I’m the nicest person you could meet until I’m not. I will have a blast laughing at you and watching you unravel.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Really? I don't think you have answered all of my questions. You're not a big girl to my standards and I'm a damn nice person. I don't go around throwing the words 'cunt' and 'shill' around like you and the other mods. Hive mind mentality at the finest. You like to act as though you're so wonderful with the ultimate judgement skills, but you fail miserably.
srayzie ago
I didn’t tell him I had a son. Many people here admit to having kids. At least half of the people on the pizzagate sub are people with kids. I don’t provide details cunt. You don’t know how to admit you’re wrong.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
So, how did he know you had a son? What gave him that idea?
srayzie ago
See parent @MolochHunter since your name is mentioned.
ESOTERICshade ago
That is a well thought out response and thank you for taking the time to craft it. I'm not sure what it will take to fix this shit.
think- ago
@Enigmatic_Continuum, I'm afraid it is not possible that it was deleted by someone else. We as mods certainly can't do that - we don't have access to people's inboxes.
Maybe you've deleted it accidentally?
And Srayzie has been continually listed as a mod for months on the v/pizzagate front page mod list, maybe you just missed her name when you looked at the list?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
It happened. I didn't delete it. Maybe she deleted it on her end, so it disappeared on my end, too.
I don't expect you to believe me.
srayzie ago
You sound like GothamGirl now. I don’t have the ability to delete ANYTHING from your inbox.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Anybody who doesn't bow down to you all sound alike to you. Why can't you just admit that you told me in a PM that you were a PG mod and not to tell anyone?
srayzie ago
I DID NOT LIE ABOUT BEING A PIZZAGATE MOD
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Putting your answer all in caps doesn't make your statement believable.
OK, we'll start with an easier question.
Why did you comment on this thread that you were angry about being called a Pizzagate mod?
srayzie ago
Because Gothamgirl was accusing me of planting child porn in her phone and threatening to kidnap her kid when I had never met her. Vindicator was being blamed for shit because Jem died and she had spread lies saying pizzagate mods were conspiring against her. Jem and GothamGirl are connected. Sarah started tweeting death threats to me, which I archived and made a post about. She made posts giving death threats to mods on Voat. She started tweeting shut out about the pizzagate mods. All at the same time that GothamGirl comes after me, another mod. We have been under attacked.
I’m not going into great detail, because you’re the type that spins everything. I never hid that I was a mod. If I didn’t want to be, I would have quit. Now leave me alone. I’m done. You aren’t wasting my entire day away.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Wasting your entire day away? LOL! I haven't even been on the boards all day.
All I see is word salad with what you've presented. I didn't ask you to rehash what's happened to you and why you're so bent out of shape. I asked how he knew you had a son and you won't answer this. Do you have a son? If so, why did you feel the need to bring him up anywhere online?
Why are you avoiding my questions?
srayzie ago
I rehashed to prove you wrong. To show that you twisted everything. I succeeded. That’s why you’re stooping somlow now. Every time I refresh, it’s a notification because of your drama. Go to bed old lady.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Yes, keep it up, The downvoats are what I want. Thanks for doing what is best because @Cresch won't listen to reason. I want to stroke his ego by demanding a SHILL flair, but he won't comply. Is he scared? Is he afraid of questions? I just don't understand. He seems to want to flair people, but he seems so confused because he throws the word 'shill' around like you throw the word 'cunt' around. What's wrong with you people? I mean this seriously.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Yes, keep downvoating me you piece of shit, you cunt. Are you too stupid to realize that my submission points being greater than my comment points actually helps my credibility? No, of course not. No to worry though. I'll keep mentioning at the bottom of all my research threads that you think I'm a shill. Should work out well for you.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Yeah, keep downvoating my comments, bitch. As if it even matters. I'd actually like it if it looks as though I'm presenting more threads than comments. Great job at making me look better!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You rehash as a means of avoiding my questions.
srayzie ago
Bitch, I answered your questions and you aren’t my judge. I don’t owe you shit. I’ve been nice enough to do that. But, I’m done now. You’re pathetic and petty. Move on.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Are you able to debate without calling people names? Oh, probably not. Just proves you have a low IQ.
Shizy ago
Um, didn't you just call her a piece of shit, a bitch and a cunt?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I simply returned the courtesy. Some people can't understand what you're saying unless you're speaking their language.
Shizy ago
I really don't get why you all are fighting: I was gone for the weekend and come back to an all pit war!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
No problem. All you have to do is read this thread to see how it started, then when went sideways. I think srayzie got upset because I didn't slam GothamGirl and tried to stay neutral until she started going on and on and on about death threats and how everyone's out to get her. I tried to be nice and explain my reasoning, but then she got nasty with me. People who insist on having things their way and pushing people around need to remember that sometimes people push back, so if you're going to dish it out, you best be able to take it. I still want to know how those PMs disappeared from my inbox.
srayzie ago
This isn’t a debate. I’m talking to some bitch who has twisted everything I’ve said.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Gee, I feel the same way! I'm talking to some bitch that is twisting everything I've said AND trying to get her buddy-bud mods to back her. You're a cunt of the highest order. A narcissist. A sociopath. You're unbalanced as fuck. Voat is some sort of fucked up popularity contest to you. I guess you're trying to make up for being the invisible girl in high school.
srayzie ago
I don’t have to try and get my buddy mods to back me. You and @Crensch were already communicating. They know me and that I’m not the person you are trying to convince them of. When mods ping each other, it does t mean come save me.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Just to make sure that everything you've said is archived: http://archive.is/N7QyY
srayzie ago
I’m the queen of archiving lol. That’s how I busted liars here. Thanks for your warning tho lady. I would rather keep the archive from later on instead. That way if ever have to show what a whiny conniving bitter cunt you are, then it’s ready to share.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Oh, trust me. You're going to be very sorry. Every time I present PG evidence, I'm going to preface it by stating that you and Cresch believe me to be a shill. How do you think that will make you and Cresch look?
srayzie ago
@Crensch can speak for himself. But, I think if you were to look thru this profile like you stalked mine, you would see he, probably more than anyone I know on Voat, doesn’t give a damn what ANYONE thinks of him.
As for me, I don’t give a shit what people like you think. You are a trouble maker. A drama queen. I will make sure to keep everything too if I ever feel the need to defend myself. My detailed response does a lot of that for me.
I will make sure that the other mods have the archives and everything they need to prove you are a shill when needed, so feel free to do what you need to do.
Crensch ago
Kekeke
@Enigmatic_Continuum thinks we won't post his shame under each submission. That's funny.
srayzie ago
Yeah. But she outer herself as a woman.
She also thought I was lesbian because I playfully call Bopper doll face. He’s a guy. He calls me dude and bro. LOL.
She’s trying to take my shit posts from other subs to diagnose me. So now I’m narcissistic and a psychopath too.
I’m documenting everything as we speak. I’ll be ready and will make sure that you, Vindicator, and @think- have ehwt you need. Even @Shizy in case this cunt starts her shit there too.
We’re under attack most of the time anyways. At least this one warned us. 😂
Crensch ago
Oh, is it a woman? Or is it a soyboy that wishes he had a vagina so he could feel more manly?
Either way, this one was tricky, and I was completely fooled; apologies for my faux pas.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Go ahead. I will do the same.
Crensch ago
I'd bet everything I own on me winning this one - can you say the same?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I've already proved you to be a pussy because you wouldn't flair me as a shill. I guess we're on to round two?
Crensch ago
Somebody's scared.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Looking in the mirror again?
Crensch ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I sleep fine at night because I'm not a narcissist like you are who takes everything personally and enveloped in a hive mind atmosphere. You're the last person who has the poor capability of judging anyone. Get ready to defend yourself at every turn. Every time I present my research, I'm going to mention that you think I'm a shill until nobody trusts you or srayzie. You asked for it. I'm delivering.
Crensch ago
That's really cute, armchair Freud.
I'm the last person who has what? Is that your bot running away from you, or is it your mind recoiling from what it knows is about to come?
Good. I'll make sure to post your shame as well. I'm always ready for a good nuclear option.
A little food for thought:
You're in exactly the position that these users were once in. Their badges and trophies speak volumes.
@Cheeseboogersghost @RKG @Professor_Autism @Sarai @Sergeant_Asperger and @Dylan_Klebold
No pressure, cunt.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Like I said, I enjoy a challenge, Bring it on.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Whatever. Deal with the aftermath you've created, bitch.
srayzie ago
Bring it on beeeeaaatch! I’m used to shills!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I already have. Get ready...
srayzie ago
Ok 👍🏻
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Really? So, now you're lying to yourself. You're exactly like the picture I'm painting, and you know it.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Where did you answer my questions? I asked you how he knew you had a son, and all I saw was you saying that everyone mentions when they're a parent on here. Not that I've seen. Anyone who mentions they have kids on here are asking for trouble. You certainly wouldn't get my vote for Mom of the Year.
srayzie ago
I didn’t tell him I had a son. Since he doxes, and knew someone that I had previously been friends with, I thought he knew. TONS of people admit to be a parent here. He could be grown up for all you know. I wouldn’t want you involved in any vote lol. You get nasty when you get embarrassed and are proven wrong.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
When have I been proven wrong? How did he dox you? Are you saying that that photo of you on your Twatter account isn't really you? You act like others stating they have kids makes it OK for you to discuss yours. Yeah, OK. Like the age old saying goes, if your friends jump off a bridge, should you? You're an idiot.
srayzie ago
I didn’t say he doxxed me. I said I thought he might have. He’s offered to pay people to dox his enemies. Yes, the twitter picture is me. How is that relevant? I guess it would depend on which bridge you’re talking about. 🙄
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
OK, you said he "might have." Where is your evidence? Besides, getting all bent out of shape when he says he's going to rape your son when you don't have one (right?) seems very dramatic. You're obviously drawn to drama. You above anyone else I've seen on the boards cries the most about being hounded and stalked by people. I think you invite it and like it. Not a mod quality if you ask me. You've got thin skin.
srayzie ago
Thank you for your assessment. Miss Thing. 🤓
I’m going to go get caught up on Q bitch. Go take your blood pressure pills and get some sleep.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Blood pressure? Name calling is indicative of rising blood pressure and I've barely done that at all. You're going to be so sorry that you and Cresch have called me a cunt and a shill. Mark my words.
srayzie ago
I’m healthy. Great blood pressure. Thanks.
You have a lot of anger. Have you tried therapy? This isn’t good for your blood pressure issues.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I'm not the one with anger and it shows because I can reply to you without calling you names and resorting to childish tactics like you do.
Crensch ago
We got a live one, folks.
This doesn't happen, shill. If you belonged here, you would know that.
So, just like with the PMs, you won't support your claims here?
You haven't proven the former, so the latter is a bit silly of a question, don't you think?
OMG someone h4x0ring your Voat? What horseshit are you even trying to pull here?
You haven't proved that she did. I don't understand why you keep asserting that it happened and that somehow things that don't happen on Voat are specifically happening to you.
Oh, gee, a woman with secrets. (((We can't have that now, can we, goyim?)))
Bought accounts are a thing. You didn't know that, either? Or are you pretending not to know that exists, just like you're pretending not to know that PMs don't suddenly get deleted?
Srayzie is extremely knowledgeable on PG and Q, and archives everything like an driven-mad autist. She might not be the best at explaining things, but if she hadn't made her posts about Jem and Sarah, I wouldn't really know much about them, and would not be able to see the patterns between them and their many, many alts. I don't mind taking all the info she has and paring it down for a submission about a username that very clearly has a link to the above disinfo shills.
Add to that that she's one of the few users to have made a successful subverse through their own hard work, and dedication, and I think I can safely say I'm not the only one here happy to have her on our team. She's driven to do what's right, even if it makes her look exactly as you say to some. As I mentioned before, you have not been around enough of this, and you agreed; now you're making a value-judgment on my mods? Square that circle for me.
Shitposting?
Really? This is your claim that she's trying to stir up drama? Shitposting is a nearly sacred tradition here of blowing off steam when a goat starts getting battle fatigue.
Literally two shitposting subverses you're linking here. SBBH? Nobody on this website doesn't know what that is by now. You're looking more and more like you really haven't been here 1.7 years. Did you not realize you created the subverse /v/CageFight?
Not that I believe you anymore, but maybe you should stick to that?
And we've dealt with them normally for most things. My mods were not prepared to be murderers and CP-to-cellphone pushers.
Until these trolls start sliding the forum, then the forum becomes unusable and people that would use it don't see the point because their shit is buried.
It's funny that you're worried about users having their reputations tarnished now, but you really don't give a shit if it's a mod's. Almost as if there's a different standard there just because one is a volunteer to enforce the rules.
What camp do you think you'd be put in when you accuse a mod of something, then when asked for evidence, claim "muh PMs were deleted somehow" as if we h4x0red into Voat just to fuck with you? Then you hand-wave us to her comments to prove it? Then use shitposts to prove other things about her?
I'm perceiving them with your responses right here. Why don't you explain why you made accusations against Srayzie, then lied about PMs disappearing?
@Vindicator @srayzie @shizy @think-
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You're a piece of work.
You call me a shill, then request that I stick to doing research? LOL! That doesn't even make sense. I thought the whole point of you wanting to flair shills is to prevent members from believing and trusting your work. Now, we have you, a trusted and distinguished mod encouraging trolls to present their research? OK...
Yes, go ahead and flair me as a shill. We'll see how it all pans out.
Crensch ago
You act like one.
What did I write there, you dishonest sack of shit? Do you want me to quote it for you?
Kek.
Just that one little string pulled on and you unravel like this? It never ceases to amaze me how quickly you paid fucks lose your cool when caught.
The level of stupid on this is just amazing.
@Vindicator @think- @srayzie @shizy
Am I wrong in thinking this username is now really, really shady? Just a complete and utter lack of knowledge of how Voat works after 1.7 years of being here? Then completely misrepresenting what I say in a strangely-convenient way for them?
Don't worry, I'll be making sure every one of you has your faults available to the mods at any given time whenever you show up.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Then SHILL FLAIR me, mother fucker! Put your money where your mouth is.
Crensch ago
Do you have reading comprehension issues?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
No, but I think you do. Isn't this whole discussion about who the mods can flair as shills and why? You said my character is questionable and that I'm acting like a shill, so use your powers. I'm begging you. Should I send you a formal invitation to give me the honor of having your highest and most discussed and controversial FLAIR?
Please, Crensch, flair me. I'm begging you. It would feel so good to be recognized by you for noticing my immature and unvoat-like behavior.
Crensch ago
Examples of what I have not comprehended? You know, like you mistaking my sarcastic advice for a request?
When did I threaten to flair you?
I didn't need any mod powers to do what I did, and what I did will be far more effective than anything you can think of.
I know you are, because you've been found out, and flairing you will give you and your crew the ammunition you need to attack all the mods and get a decent amount of users on your side over it.
I already did what I'm going to do. I hope you come after the mods again someday.
Shill-like behaviour. You have completely outed yourself, to my mind. I'm sure I won't be the only one agreeing.
srayzie ago
Isn’t that the truth!
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Are you unable to have a conversation without replying to copied text?
So, have you flaired me, banned me, etc.? What is my punishment, oh great one?
Crensch ago
Are you able to respond to my words, or is it just strawmans and appeal to incredulity?
That's for me to know, and you not to know.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You're acting just like Millennial_Falcon. Any relation?
Crensch ago
Hooknose asking about relations. Kek.
Hello, JIDF.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
LOL! You wish. Why would I be creating a thread against Israel if I were Jewish. LOL! You're pathetic. Try again.
Vindicator ago
Actually, we get this all the time -- jew bashing threads that use Jewish-sounding sophistry. There's a whole contingent of fake anti-semite shills. I don't know if they post their crap to make Voaters look like alt-right extremists, or to chum up to the many on Voat who are not fans of Jews.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Ok, so prove I'm a regular Jew basher.
Vindicator ago
You missed my point. You said "Why would I be creating a thread against Israel if I were Jewish." I said it's a tactic we see used frequently by accounts that are probably JIDF so creating a thread against Israel doesn't prove you're not a Jew. I was pointing out the error in your argument, not stating an opinion about your ethnic or religious background.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Thanks for clarifying.
Crensch ago
Why would you be lying like a hooknose if you weren't?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Since you are afraid to ask me any questions and deciding immediately that I'm a shill based on your lame evidence, I'll throw you a bone: I went to Catholic Sunday school until I was 17.
Crensch ago
So you're a puppet of them. Mutilated if male. Congratulations, you've done nothing at all here because I don't believe you either way.
It's telling that you seem to want to reveal things about yourself to me, though.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
My research speaks for itself, fool.
Crensch ago
You'd better hope it does. Because if it doesn't, it gets added to my list.
Tread very carefully, because I'm very good at catching little bits of bullshit shills like to slip by in pretty wrapping.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Challenge accepted. I hope you like crow.
srayzie ago
That was when Gothamgirl and I talking about a guy she liked. I shared with her that he liked her. That’s I said to say quiet about. I didn’t want him to get mad that I told him he liked her too.
The date and times are on these...
My screenshots
Gothamgirl’s screenshot
@Vindicator @Think- @Crensch @Shizy
think- ago
LOL - @Enigmatic_Continuum, THAT WAS A JOKE - she is teasing @MolochHunter, who created v/JellyPit4Mods - @srayzie is a mod there!! LOL!
All of us were just kidding around there....did you actually read what the subverse is about as explained by @MolochHunter in its sidebar?! LOL
Here you go:
trying not to break down laughing ;-)
@Crensch
srayzie ago
This bitch keeps talking shit. I tried to keep the peace the other day. Fuck that cunt!
MolochHunter ago
lol priceless
sucked in
ben_matlock ago
this is a very sensible position to take in this discussion.
srayzie ago
I had no choice. I’m the one having these people coming after me. I’ve said from the beginning that there is more to the story. It’s really easy for someone else to say move on because it’s a distraction. This little group is even making death threats. I’m accused of crimes that I’ve proved are false. I’ve been told several times that she’s calling the police. Why you would think that’s no big deal surprises me.
I’ve been here since the beginning when pizzagate broke. All this time, I’ve worked and shown I have credibility. I have these people trying to tarnish my name, apply “pizzagate mod” to it. Then screenshots and lies are being made about pizzagate mod and put out on Twitter from Sarah alts. But, I should just get over it? WE should get over it? Allow it to continue? Don’t address it?
Whether Crensch seems like an asshole or not, there’s proof that these are lies and I even have more. This isn’t about Crensch. He’s had 2 mods being attacked recently. A coordinated effort is trying to cause division. That’s just drama?
I don’t know what that means.
Me and you have always got along from what I remember. Even recently. If you don’t want to take sides or be bugged by this drama, then why even put yourself in the middle of it like you just did. It’s acceptable to you to have people that are posting false accusations and threats? I’m just surprised seeing your name here.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
This little group is even making death threats. I’m accused of crimes that I’ve proved are false. I’ve been told several times that she’s calling the police. Why you would think that’s no big deal surprises me.
I personally wouldn't worry about it. Just recently I had something very strange happen to me online that appeared to come from Voat and cross over into Facebook. Sure, I was worried at first, but I didn't get all paranoid and start accusing any of the members who were attacking me on the voat thread of trying to intimate me on Facebook. After a while had passed, I asked a particular member if he had any idea how something like that could've happened, chatted about it, and that's the end of it. Nothing has happened since.
I don't understand what the big deal is with them referring to you as a "Pizzagate mod". So what?
Why do you keep wanting to offer up more evidence of your innocence when I haven't even see any proof offered up by GothamGirl of your guilt. Scenario: If a business accuses a person of stealing from them, should the accused automatically dump their purse and pockets on the table, or calmly ask why they believe they stole something and what proof they have that it was you?
"Bought the farm" is a figure of speech meaning that the person died.
srayzie ago
It’s not even worth explaining it. You can’t put yourself in my shoes for even a minute. A little bit of good news... Well, after a week of all this and having people I’ve known here for over a year turn on me, she did the right thing today.
https://voat.co/v/Elpis/2698374
This has all taught me who not to trust as well.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Great! Glad things worked out.
Don't worry. I won't ask you to apologize for basicly calling me a sociopath. After all, that's what they can't do is put themselves in someone else's shoes, and I do that better than most people. But, how would you or anyone know that? Nobody really knows anyone here, do they?
srayzie ago
Oviousky not. You don’t even seem like the person I was talking to before.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
What does that have to do with anything? I'm pretty indifferent to everyone here.
Considering how old you look in your photo, I can bet that I was contributing to conspiracy boards while you were still in high school. I've learned to keep my distance and do my best to not get emotional. Why are you acting as though I'm doing something wrong.
I don't seem like I like someone? What exactly do you mean? Yeah, I'm not going to hand out hugs and pats on the back. This isn't a therapy session. It's a conspiracy/truth/debate board. If somebody has something significant to say, I'll throw them a bone. What more should I do? Ask them what their address is, so I can include them in my Christmas card list?
You know, I'm backing off. I just submitted my last thread to your GA board. After all, it's not as if you ever contribute to my threads anyway, so no big deal. I do my best to spread truth whether or not it's appreciated. I have to step away when a hive mentality appears to be taking over. Best of luck to you.
srayzie ago
For someone who commented on this thread who says they don’t want the drama and to move on, I’m surprised you’re still going on about this. I’ve never asked you for a thing. I’ve never leaned on you for any emotional support. From what I remember, you were always cool. I think we even talked privately a few times and thought you were a joy. I see a lot of new people on GA. Maybe I’m thinking of someone else.
It doesn’t matter what kind of board this is. I’ve gone thru hell ever since I met this Sarah thing. I’ve had my family threatened and myself. Then it escalated big time in the last week. You saw a small little piece of the big picture. Your great advice is “ignore it”. You could have moved on and not commented. You put yourself here.
You may have been on this earth longer than me, but you aren’t willing or capable of seeing past usernames and words on the screen, and grasping that we’re all human beings here. You lack in the human decency department. You’re cold, you’re sarcastic, and you’re bitter.
Well that’s ok with me that you are leaving GA. People come and go. Since you try so hard to keep your distance and not get emotional, I’m sure that I wouldn’t have noticed anyway. Good luck.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I said I'm stepping back. I tried to inject some rationalization into this drama, but you're obviously hell bent on getting everyone on your side or they're on your shit list, so I'd rather bow out than play that game. Take my word for it, there's a HUGE difference between what's said on an Anonymous board and what happens in real life. You've gone through hell because an anonl threatened you? I've been there and have had to call the cops for a real cyber threat, which resulted in the guy getting arrested. I don't become emotional simply because someone expects me to. My advice is to choose your battles before you become an army of one.
srayzie ago
Okie dokie 👌🏻
Crensch ago
As an aside, how would you suggest we deal with these usernames?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Honestly, I don't have any idea. Just ignore them and hope other genuine members catch on? Even IRL, you can warn someone that so and so is a bitch or asshole, but you usually end up looking like the bad guy, and just have to wait for the person you tried to warn to learn the hard way that you were telling the truth and only trying to help them.
srayzie ago
After being accused of sick things, even crimes, and being a part of the group that was posting death threats should be ignored?
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Yes, they should be ignored. They want you to get all bent out of shape. Why give an enemy what they want? How does reacting do you any good?
I try my best to pick my battles, so if some nameless, faceless POS on a website starts accusing me of something and they can't even offer one shred of proof, why worry about it? Sociopaths are attracted to those they know will engage, but if you feel as though you absolutely must reply to them, don't do it right away. Go for a walk, take a shower, do anything to make sure you aren't emotional in your reply. Think of GothamGirl as a psychic vampire. Do you really want to feed her?
Crensch ago
But on a forum I can link people to this irrefutable evidence of her lying over and over, and then her submissions being horseshit, and her being activated at Jem777's "death".
Forums have their downsides, but easily proving your claims is not one of them. Anytime someone thinks you're the asshole, "Sure, maybe so, here's the link to my evidence, so feel free to prove me wrong!" AAAAND that's all she wrote.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
If that's what you want to do, go ahead, but it's going to eat up all your time because there's a troll army on the horizon.
Crensch ago
Yep, and they'll be easier to deal with if nobody speaks up on my sticky. Any aged accounts with low contributions or new accounts that post shit against the mods can get a nice pretty flair as being a likely troll/shill army grunt.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Flairing anyone who disagrees with a mod is wading into treacherous territory. This is still a free speech zone and leaders should be able to be questioned and criticized in a mature manner and respond in kind. Unless of course someone is being especially abusive for no good reason.
Crensch ago
False accusations is what I meant. Especially the criminal ones.
Sorry, worded incorrectly.
I am ALL FOR legitimate criticisms of mods and other users. By all means, bring it on. It's this GG-tier shit that I am beyond sick of already, because it's nothing but wild accusations and manufactured consensus by sock-puppet accounts, both new and aged.
There's a reason I'm in the center of this shitstorm, and it's because I do not do the day-to-day modding. In fact, if things are going well, I stay away as much as possible to avoid bias when and if a legitimate complaint on one of the mods comes up.
I need to watch my words, thank you very much for calling me out on not being specific enough there in a way that others could use against me. I hope you don't mind, I'll be editing it.
Crensch ago
@Vindicator @srayzie @think-
I get caught up in these things sometimes, too. It happens to everyone, but be vigilant in your communication.
The user I'm responding to has some very good points. I'd appreciate if y'all would ask any questions of him (or me) that come to mind, because he has a different perspective that has me re-evaluating some things. Whether or not that'll change anything with my position, I do not know.
And thank you, @Enigmatic_Continuum, for the fresh eyes on all of this.
think- ago
This is a very good point imo, @Crensch. I will PM you later today.
v/pizzagate is different from other subs, people here are more sensitive.
I'm afraid labelling some users will deepen the gap between users and mods, and lead to more 'mods are gods' accusations.
And while you are the O of this sub, and not modding the daily shifts, the mods are perceived as a team, you included.
Personally, I think we can combat shills and trolls without labelling them.
Users also accuse each other of all kind of insane stuff, so then we would have to flair these accusers as well?
I don't really want to give the impression we mods are privileged, because we can flair the users / bots who attack us, while normal users can't.
My two cents.
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @srayzie
Vindicator ago
What if users were included in the process to flair? That would mitigate a lot of this. They could make a post in v/pizzagatemods and request a user be flaired, making the case for why, with evidence. That would also engage folks in the moderation of the sub, which we are always trying to do.
The drawback would be making themselves a target for calling out bad citizenship, as happened with @srayzie when she tried to post what she knew about Jem, and Gothamgirl and the Sarah bots attacked her. Buuuuut that could be dealt with by having users anonymize their submission if they want to.
We want everyone helping fight disinfo disruptors.
Also, I think it bears emphasizing that any posts critiquing users to explain a flair would be made in v/pizzagatemods, so the main sub doesn't drown in toxic drama.
@Crensch @Enigmatic_Continuum
think- ago
You know Vin, it would still create drama, even if it would take place on the v/pizzagatemod sub.
In fact, it would create constant drama, as everybody here has someone they don't like (or even more than one person).
With regard to the recent shill attack, it was fine to do a posts to call them out, but can we please get back to normal now? I would like users to focus on research and discussions of content, not to be constantly afraid that someone might want to instigate other users against them, or shills taking advantage of the possibility to call out users.
And don't get me wrong, I would love to flair Donkey with a 'troll' flair....grin, but I don't want to have an atmosphere of paranoia and fear on the sub.
ESOTERICshade ago
Amen.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I suppose that would work. Sounds like it would keep the playing field level and allow other members to judge for themselves when they reviewed the mod thread. I guess try it and if it doesn't work, scrap it and try something new. Call it the Guinea Pig Troll study #01
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
You're welcome and I'm happy to help.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Hey, that's cool. No worries!
Crensch ago
It would. Q is about to become a household name, so jump on that ASAP, IMO.
I realize it's REALLY weird. It really, really is. A little context:
The past month or so, we've had long-time users - well known ones, and often well liked - that have shown themselves to be, at best, an account that changed hands. More likely, though, they were long-con shills.
@CheeseboogersGhost is one of them that I, personally, did not enjoy destroying.
@Gothamgirl has been, for almost the entirety of the username's existence, non-confrontational. Why now?
@Jem777's supposed death brought out the PG long-con shills that propped her up as a martyr like the normies and MSM are doing to McCain right now. Many of them accused Vindicator of being responsible for her death.
Ever since Jem777's fake death, the mods here have been getting attacked constantly. Srayzie has Gothamgirl, who befriended her long ago and they shared this lie? true? half-true? girly friendship that became the center of an issue involving multiple well-known/liked usernames supporting GG.
It's unfortunate that understanding these (likely) shills requires an understanding of multiple other usernames and youtube personalities and what crazy things these usernames seem to obsess over.
George Webb needed to understand Jem777.
Jem777 connected to codename(we don't have a real name, multiple alts like amalek) "Sarah"
I personally hate this kind of thing, which is why I want to destroy these usernames so I can fuck off back to the rest of Voat while the mods here do their jobs better than I ever could.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I share your frustration, but people are going to have to figure things out for themselves when it comes to whether or not someone's a shill and if they should risk getting closer to someone. More trolls are on the way, so skin them alive, block them, and move on. Alefantis' ex-squeeze, David Brock, just asked for millions of donations to build another troll army. (Sorry I can't link to the story at the moment. Saw it on Drudge earlier today.)
Also, the Q dating site is already dead in the water. I don't want to be the one to bring a Q supporter and ShareBlue shill together. shudder Fakery and baiting would abound, and we can see from this thread how easy it is to get close to someone, then fuck them over. Not worth the stress and aggravation.
Crensch ago
Any Q follower should know that expressing their support or position is a dangerous game. Like you recommend above, "people are going to have to figure things out for themselves".
Yes. But the forum sliding disinformation and the reputations some of these users have needs to be addressed. If nobody can make a case for not flairing Gothamgirl, would it not benefit everyone here to put the flair on her and then everyone can move on? Then when a user asks, "why?" we can link them here.
So if it's a shill username, they're basically burned and have zero influence here, even with their past posts and comments.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
I suppose handing out Scarlet Letters will work, and it will help the trolls find their teammates more easily, too. Kind of a Catch 22, you know? Like sending someone to group sex addiction therapy. You know there's going to be a hook up.
Crensch ago
Hoping to do a little better on the odds than that, but I suppose we'll see. Thanks for your input, bud.
Enigmatic_Continuum ago
Sure thing and best of luck to you. Should be interesting!
srayzie ago
The screenshot where I said “Don’t tell him I’m sharing this”...
She showed that one screenshot so it could loom like I’m sneaky. This shows what it was about...
I had asked FlynnL1ve5 on Twitter if he had seen Gothamgirls picture because they liked each other...
https://images2.imgbox.com/9c/0f/3xWrF59o_o.jpeg
In the screenshot GOTHAMGIRL shared, you can see that I said “I’m waiting for the response to the picture question.”
Date: 1:17:2018 at 8:43pm
https://images2.imgbox.com/86/cc/rndYWjaV_o.jpeg
Here is MY screenshot showing me telling her that FlynnL1ve5 likes her. She replies saying she likes him too and that he’s amazing...
Date: 1-17-2018 between 7:33pm to 8:25pm
https://images2.imgbox.com/c0/48/kiludU5D_o.jpeg
Same date. GothamGirl’s screenshot shows that soon after me saying that I was waiting for a response to the picture question, I made the message to her saying don’t tell him I’m sharing this. Clearly, he answered the picture question and I was sharing it. She was excited. I was trying to help her.
She’s trying to twist everything to make me look bad.
aretheyarrestedyet ago
Here supporting you mods. Keep up the great work team.
Crensch ago
@Vindicator - I think you're the only one that wasn't pinged in the submission.
Vindicator ago
Thanks for the heads up. :-)