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Enigmatic_Continuum ago

I seem to have made a wrong turn. I was trying to get to v/Pizzagate, but it looks as though I've stumbled into v/SoapOpera instead.

Oh, wait.

to distract you all and cause burnout on the mod team

Crensch ago

So, no defense of Gothamgirl? Just an attack on the outing of a liar and word-salad poster that certain other well-liked and respected users here seem to have an affinity for?

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

I've barely had any major interactions with GothamGirl to make a comment on anything about her or if she likes to bed married men or even if FlynnL1ve5 is in the middle of a divorce and looking for a night cap. The entire thing seems wierd as fuck to me that this is even in this sub. Although, this has given me the idea to start a dating site for Q believers. It would be a great way to avoid dating libs...

Crensch ago

As an aside, how would you suggest we deal with these usernames?

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

Honestly, I don't have any idea. Just ignore them and hope other genuine members catch on? Even IRL, you can warn someone that so and so is a bitch or asshole, but you usually end up looking like the bad guy, and just have to wait for the person you tried to warn to learn the hard way that you were telling the truth and only trying to help them.

Crensch ago

But on a forum I can link people to this irrefutable evidence of her lying over and over, and then her submissions being horseshit, and her being activated at Jem777's "death".

Forums have their downsides, but easily proving your claims is not one of them. Anytime someone thinks you're the asshole, "Sure, maybe so, here's the link to my evidence, so feel free to prove me wrong!" AAAAND that's all she wrote.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

If that's what you want to do, go ahead, but it's going to eat up all your time because there's a troll army on the horizon.

Crensch ago

Yep, and they'll be easier to deal with if nobody speaks up on my sticky. Any aged accounts with low contributions or new accounts that post shit against the mods can get a nice pretty flair as being a likely troll/shill army grunt.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

Flairing anyone who disagrees with a mod is wading into treacherous territory. This is still a free speech zone and leaders should be able to be questioned and criticized in a mature manner and respond in kind. Unless of course someone is being especially abusive for no good reason.

Crensch ago

Flairing anyone who disagrees with a mod is wading into treacherous territory.

False accusations is what I meant. Especially the criminal ones.

This is still a free speech zone and leaders should be able to be questioned and criticized in a mature manner and respond in kind. Unless of course someone is being especially abusive for no good reason.

Sorry, worded incorrectly.

I am ALL FOR legitimate criticisms of mods and other users. By all means, bring it on. It's this GG-tier shit that I am beyond sick of already, because it's nothing but wild accusations and manufactured consensus by sock-puppet accounts, both new and aged.

There's a reason I'm in the center of this shitstorm, and it's because I do not do the day-to-day modding. In fact, if things are going well, I stay away as much as possible to avoid bias when and if a legitimate complaint on one of the mods comes up.

I need to watch my words, thank you very much for calling me out on not being specific enough there in a way that others could use against me. I hope you don't mind, I'll be editing it.

Crensch ago

@Vindicator @srayzie @think-

I get caught up in these things sometimes, too. It happens to everyone, but be vigilant in your communication.

The user I'm responding to has some very good points. I'd appreciate if y'all would ask any questions of him (or me) that come to mind, because he has a different perspective that has me re-evaluating some things. Whether or not that'll change anything with my position, I do not know.

And thank you, @Enigmatic_Continuum, for the fresh eyes on all of this.

think- ago

Flairing anyone who disagrees with a mod is wading into treacherous territory.

This is still a free speech zone and leaders should be able to be questioned and criticized in a mature manner and respond in kind.

This is a very good point imo, @Crensch. I will PM you later today.

v/pizzagate is different from other subs, people here are more sensitive.

I'm afraid labelling some users will deepen the gap between users and mods, and lead to more 'mods are gods' accusations.

And while you are the O of this sub, and not modding the daily shifts, the mods are perceived as a team, you included.

Personally, I think we can combat shills and trolls without labelling them.

Users also accuse each other of all kind of insane stuff, so then we would have to flair these accusers as well?

I don't really want to give the impression we mods are privileged, because we can flair the users / bots who attack us, while normal users can't.

My two cents.

@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @srayzie

Vindicator ago

What if users were included in the process to flair? That would mitigate a lot of this. They could make a post in v/pizzagatemods and request a user be flaired, making the case for why, with evidence. That would also engage folks in the moderation of the sub, which we are always trying to do.

The drawback would be making themselves a target for calling out bad citizenship, as happened with @srayzie when she tried to post what she knew about Jem, and Gothamgirl and the Sarah bots attacked her. Buuuuut that could be dealt with by having users anonymize their submission if they want to.

We want everyone helping fight disinfo disruptors.

Also, I think it bears emphasizing that any posts critiquing users to explain a flair would be made in v/pizzagatemods, so the main sub doesn't drown in toxic drama.

@Crensch @Enigmatic_Continuum

think- ago

so the main sub doesn't drown in toxic drama.

You know Vin, it would still create drama, even if it would take place on the v/pizzagatemod sub.

In fact, it would create constant drama, as everybody here has someone they don't like (or even more than one person).

With regard to the recent shill attack, it was fine to do a posts to call them out, but can we please get back to normal now? I would like users to focus on research and discussions of content, not to be constantly afraid that someone might want to instigate other users against them, or shills taking advantage of the possibility to call out users.

And don't get me wrong, I would love to flair Donkey with a 'troll' flair....grin, but I don't want to have an atmosphere of paranoia and fear on the sub.

ESOTERICshade ago

Amen.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

I suppose that would work. Sounds like it would keep the playing field level and allow other members to judge for themselves when they reviewed the mod thread. I guess try it and if it doesn't work, scrap it and try something new. Call it the Guinea Pig Troll study #01