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Vindicator ago

Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)

Please vote and comment -- be specific about what you are voting for or against please

Factfinder2 ago

I'd like to relieve Millenial_Falcon of mod duties and give them to VieBleu if s/he is willing.

4_InquiringMinds ago

Vote yes...Vindicator I think you would make an excellent owner. As for mods it 'seems like' too much power is in the hands of mods whereby if a grudge match gets going someone is banned and either has to suck up or go to another mod for consideration. It likens to the old adage/absolute power corrupts absolutely. Plus I think mods should be respectful of members. Recently I helped a member, grandma, who is here learning bc she wants to protect her grandkids. She is not internet savvy. She was banned for posting support for 2 members recently banned/did not realize she could not do this and a previous post that was removed but she had no clue about the process. When she contacted MF (at my suggestion) the first pm was very disrespectful. Upon her reply MF took the time to read her previous comments and realized she was not Amalek. If MF had bothered to ck comment history this error never would have happened. I think it is too easy for a mod to ban w/o having some requirements like cking out the members post history. So I vote for mods having requirements in the banning process. And had I not reached out to this member (that I only 'met' that day) she would still be banned, have not a clue why or what she could do about it. Do not assume everyone is internet savvy and look for the value in that member before hitting the ban button and replying with such intensity. To MF credit the ban was lifted but it should not have happened in the first place. We are here to help each other and in like kind help the children. There is too much animosity going on imho. Please please please keep in mind that many members are not internet savvy and try to help them learn the terrain.

rodeo13 ago

I vote yes and agree Vindicator would be a great owner.

Strawtinman ago

Agreed. Seen this with many, in every construct there is, including alleged victims. Pgate to to be stopped needs numbers not pedestals of tyranny.

Vindicator ago

Thanks for reaching out to grandma. That was awesome. :-)

argosciv ago

(unsure) Hard to weigh in on this one, having read the pm kkwr received, I must say that I'm not convinced that everyone the sender named is a shill - I've seen quite a few people make rather 'large' claims of moderators/users x/y/z being shills, but, in my own reading of comments, only a few really stand out as obvious - perhaps I'm not being discerning enough, though...

Silverlining ago

@Millennial_Falcon should be encouraged to resign. He spends hours here and adds nothing, just upsetting people.

I would be happy to resign ownership of https://voat.co/v/MillennialFalcon in his favor, if he leaves off moderating this subverse.

He would get his life back.

And @kingkongwaswrong might as well move on at the same time. Absentee landlords are so last century, if not the one before that!

kazza64 ago

have you seen how many posts mf deletes ? it is a shocking amount on a daily basis. i wont post anymore because he will delete my post and then wont even tell me why or help me modify it. at least the other mods have manners. except for crensch who just abused me.

cantsleepawink ago

Normally I would stay out of this type of conversation. But I've reached my end with MF too. It seems that someone's ego is starting to get out of control. We are supposed to be a community. I appreciate that mods have the most difficult job but some emotional intelligence is needed. Some researchers here are doing some heavy lifting too. I would put myself in that category with the hours and hours, weeks, that have moved into months of research. It is not acceptable to be treated with contempt and I do not understand why the senior members are allowing it because it then looks like they condone it.

Here's an exchange between MF and myself which demonstrates that I followed all the rules that he insisted needed to be followed but yet, he still deleted a post of mine that needed to be seen. At the end of the exchange, there is no response, just downvotes on my comment which contains a screenshot providing proof that I had followed the rules. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2086828/10313984

This is not acceptable. And it is also not moderation.

rodeo13 ago

I agree. This is not acceptable.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Spent a full week writing the executive summary. Spend ~1 hour+ of my time every day refreshing /new to maintain the quality of the sub and prevent shills from spamming nonsense, disinfo, and off-topic slide posts, something that nobody else has been willing to do so far.

"adds nothing, just upsetting people"

pick one.

There are two kinds of people who get upset by my moderating. One is shills/trolls like Amalek. Another is paranoid types (a great recent example is @hojoruku) who think I'm trying to censor them because I ask them to take 2 minutes to add needed info to their post. Well, to be fair, there's a third issue. Some users simply don't understand that actual evidence is important and it gets buried and hidden if we allow the slippery slope of tons of barely-relevant posts.

equineluvr ago

Your INCONSISTENCY is frustrating, MF. You need to enforce the rules the same way for everyone instead of giving your buddies a break that others don't receive.

Millennial_Falcon ago

What buddies are you even talking about? I do enforce the rules as evenly as I reasonably can. There is a lot of gray area (particularly with Rule 1), as there is irreducible and unavoidable subjectivity. I try to follow the spirit of the law. Rule 2 and 3 violation are almost always easily fixable. Even Rule 1 violations are often fixable, but those are the ones where it is more subjective. Actual evidence indicating possible pedo elite activity ALWAYS stays up. That is the most important thing.

Strawtinman ago

Buddies would include freearmy. I am at the point of wondering who is sexing or bfucking the army.

equineluvr ago

Everyone here knows who they are: DarkMath, Jem777, Jangles, and Dressage2. There may be others, but these four posters in particular I have seen several times.

Instead of IMMEDIATELY DELETING their submissions, you give them a "pat on the back" for their efforts, explain what the problem/violation(s) is/are, and give them an opportunity to rectify it/them.

Everyone else's submissions go straight into Deleted Submissions so they have to look there to find out what was wrong.

We have all seen this and talked about it, so please don't deny that you do this.

Millennial_Falcon ago

This is just flat-out false. DarkMath is banned. How is that a pat on the back? All of those accounts are in fact on my radar, since Amalek pings them onto his shitposts all the time. I don't give anyone special treatment. If your post breaks a rule, I just delete it and name the broken rule(s). That's all I have time for, but I also always work with people who message me directly or ping me (never been in habit of checking subverse mail). I am always happy to help people bring a post into compliance if it has potential, although the rules are not hard to understand.

ThePuppetShow ago

I also always work with people who message me directly or ping me (never been in habit of checking subverse mail).

This is not true.. I've pinged you and messaged you on several occasions trying to get answers on why you deleted my post and was completly ignored. Here's an example..

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2012768

ThePuppetShow ago

@crensch Do you want me to write this up for pizzagatemods or can you just evaluate it here? I'm sick of being called a shill by this mod. MF is blatantly lying here, I've never had a PM conversation with this person. I'm a bit leary because I feel like I'm already being targeted by this mod and this will certainly make it worse.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I had a PM conversation with you about that post. Don't lie. I can come back with screenshots.

ThePuppetShow ago

I'm not lying.. Come with it.

You deleted the first thread..

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2012562

This is all I got..

Your submission /v/pizzagate/2012562 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 7/22/2017 8:15:13 PM

Reason given: @ThePuppetShow: Rule 1.

I sent you this PM and got no response..

ThePuppetShow > v/pizzagate | Sent: 1 month ago on 7/22/2017 8:23:25 PM

Submission /v/pizzagate/2012562 deleted

How is that not related to pizzagate?

Since I heard nothing I reposted with more links after getting some advice from other users.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2012768

This time you deleted it and told me..

v/pizzagate (Millennial_Falcon) > ThePuppetShow | Sent: 1 month ago on 7/23/2017 12:26:34 AM Submission /v/pizzagate/2012768 deleted

Your submission /v/pizzagate/2012768 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 7/23/2017 12:26:34 AM

Reason given: @ThePuppetShow: Rules 1 and 2.

At this point I was frustrated so I sent out some PM's to other users asking this..

Can you give me your honest opinion on whether on not I did a good enough job of linking this to pizzagate? MF keeps deleting it.

I followed some advice I got and posted it again. The last time you deleted it you added this..

Your submission /v/pizzagate/2020298 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 7/26/2017 9:01:59 PM

Reason given: @ThePuppetShow: Rule 1. the IG account doesn't seem sketchy at all, as top comment in the thread points out. you still haven't bothered to build a case connecting Rothschilds to pizzagate, so this banking stuff is off-topic

This still made no sense to me, because the threads I linked were still active, but I knew I wasn't going to get an answer out of you so I gave up because I didn't want to get banned for spam.

We have never had a conversation through PM that I recall or have record of. Correct me with those screenshots if I'm wrong.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I cant find it in my sent folder, but I remember for sure we discussed it somehow, possibly through subverse mail. This is proof we discussed it:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2039109/10059234

Here, you basically admitted to being an Amalek alt:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2030734/10017636

ThePuppetShow ago

You're full of shit. What I meant was I was working on pissing off MMIQ. I was literally blasting all the shit that alt was posting and you know it. Don't try to link me to your boogie man, clown. You're probably running all those alts. That would be a good reason why you didn't want to delete them..

Sure they can, but banning accounts accomplishes nothing, because brand-new accounts can vote. If they're willing to go to the extent to collect multiple IP's so they can vote multiple times, they're going to be willing to take the 15 seconds it takes to create a new account.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2048944/10105229

Millennial_Falcon ago

What I meant was I was working on pissing off MMIQ.

Riiiiiiiiight. And how does that add up, given that you had just accused ME of being Amalek (i.e. MMIQ)?

ThePuppetShow ago

Everyone knows who the liar is. Nice try.

I'm the one who handed you the whole thread of alts you didn't want to ban for some reason. Those included MMIQ and your other alts.

If you want a good start on who to drop the ban hammer on look down farther in this thread. Dumbass posted a link to someone when questioned about their alts.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2042853/10074874

Here's the link directly to the list of alts

https://voat.co/v/Cicada3301/2042893

@Millennial_Falcon @Vindicator @kevdude @Crensch

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2042853/10080866

I know you're trying to set me up.. BTW the only thing this proves is that you sent this when you deleted the thread..

Your submission /v/pizzagate/2020298 has been deleted by: @Millennial_Falcon on 7/26/2017 9:01:59 PM

Reason given: @ThePuppetShow: Rule 1. the IG account doesn't seem sketchy at all, as top comment in the thread points out. you still haven't bothered to build a case connecting Rothschilds to pizzagate, so this banking stuff is off-topic

That's why you can't produce our conversation in the screenshots you promised. We've never had a conversation through PM.

UgTr2 ago

@Silverlining is right, you should resign. Banning people for a single comment which draws attention a contentious issue is not about spam, regardless of what you put in the deletion log.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Banning people for a single comment which draws attention a contentious issue

Thanks for the input, 8-day-old account, but I haven't done any such thing. I ban users for spamming posts (i.e. reposting already-removed posts) that break the rules (and sometimes that takes the form of the user linking their post in a new post complaining about the removal). I have been cracking down on Amalek (aka spamalek) alt accounts, though, and I may have been a bit overzealous, in that I experimented with "test-banning" accounts that are inexplicably supportive of his shitposts, to see if those accounts are just sockpuppets or not. I have always been reasonable about bans. If the user is well-intentioned, I will always reverse the ban, often without even being asked.

That said, I would be happy to step down if there were someone to take my place. As it is, I've been the only one willing to do the job consistently and persistently.

UgTr2 ago

Thanks for the input, 8-day-old account, but I haven't done any such thing.

Actually, you have. This account is relatively new because you banned me as Ugly Truth after I posted this

If the user is well-intentioned, I will always reverse the ban, often without even being asked.

How are you going to know if they are well intentioned or not if they're banned? You could have simply looked at their post history.

Millennial_Falcon ago

lol. you practically asked me to ban you ("will MF ban me too?"). Jem777 was banned to test if s/he is an Amalek sockpuppet. I did the same to test your account. If you had messaged me to ask me about it, I would have reversed the ban right away. Account history doesn't really prove anything. Amalek knows how to create fake personas.

Judgejewdy ago

That's BS, mf. We shouldn't have to plead our case to you when the ban is bogus to start. You did the same thing to me early on when the sub started, conveniently just about the time that i got my 100pts to start downvoating. Who knows how many others you did that to, who just ended up giving up. It took a while to build my points back up under a new name. And your "reason" was extremely bogus. However, I'm well convinced "you" have been replaced by an underling now that this sub is more or less the shit hole you (pl.) intended it to be. So congratulations. Or, rather, tell your boss congratulations. The new MF isn't as petulant as the original. Dont forget to say hi to HenryKissinger.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Yes, I'm a new MF. I'm on version 8.0, now. Have you not understood that I am AI? HA HA HA HA. (robotic laugh)

Strawtinman ago

Was done to many in cahoots with free army. Hence, voat started of full of expansive research and many left. Read my other comment above. Been watching this from week one.

UgTr2 ago

Asking a question is not the same as requesting a ban. The reason that people get banned should be because they're not abiding by the rules rather than some other arbitrary criteria. Account histories give a good indication of intent, proof of intent is a difficult thing to measure. If your test was even meaningful, then why haven't you unbanned me?

Millennial_Falcon ago

If your test was even meaningful, then why haven't you unbanned me?

Because you never messaged me in response to the ban. Hence, I concluded you either don't log into the account very often (sockpuppet) or you don't care much about it (sockpuppet).

UgTr2 ago

Why would I message you about it when we've been discussing the issue on this thread?

Strawtinman ago

MF banned and let many be posted on a shill list in the begginning of voat pizzagate. Most on the shill list had many posts of research subverses and comments full of research. Kingkong did this to. It turned alot of people off for they gave many hours of research.

Meanwhile, shills were not banned and bullies. This amalek thing is a paranoid level and bullshit excuse level. Amalek was a issue from years ago. The mods allowed profile Freearmy to list shills with the most insane illogic that did not prove shills, but proved free army has no logic. All the support to freearmy by the mods and it makes one wonder if a mod is controlling narrative or sexing freearmy.

A number of researchers that endured the above had connected pgate to public health care, fosters, organ trafficking; including "mango" wikileaks emails.

A number of ones wrongfully called shills that gave a lot of research were also reporting that were doxxed, hacked, gang stalked and more.

I have been observing from week one of voat and reddit, chan sites. Many just observe as have adult responsibilities and have witnessed the habits that occur here and the misery put on ones that gave so much work and effort to the cause.

The post by MF above, using H as a example in negative. Clearly, H is exhausted by all the labours to the cause, including in the courts that MF has never done.

There is clearly, multi control narrative, intimidate real citizen researchers on here. And it started on week one.

There are many that care of Pgate and want it stopped. Many do not include sabotaging assholes in their daily lives, so do not post on here for much fuckery on here.

UgTr2 ago

This amalek thing is a paranoid level and bullshit excuse level

Yeah, MF started with "spamalek" in the ban log at around the time that he banned me.

There is clearly, multi control narrative, intimidate real citizen researchers on here. And it started on week one.

Still, I don't know of anywhere better for people to post their research. I guess system-level fuckery is just a fact of life when you're trying to talk about the issues related to pizzagate.

Strawtinman ago

Surprised how many missed the Bair blood early troll on here that broke many laws to number of citizen researchers. Nathanwblair. Now Australia pedo is being shown.

Vindicator ago

The mods allowed profile Freearmy to list shills with the most insane illogic that did not prove shills, but proved free army has no logic. All the support to freearmy by the mods and it makes one wonder if a mod is controlling narrative or sexing freearmy.

Strawtinman, are you talking about ArmySeer and his sillyass subverse he created to attack pizzagate investigators, v/pizzagateshills, which he would ban people from when they'd never posted there to make them think he was a mod here and they had been banned from this sub?

I systematically debunked his bullshit dozens of times, until he lost it and started spamming removed submissions under multiple alts and got banned. He now keeps a low profile and tries to undermine in comments as DeathTooMasons. I call him out on that, too.

You're making some tall claims in this comment. Would you mind adding some links to what you are referring to?

Strawtinman ago

Partially sarcasm ( the sex part, maybe, ha ha). Yet, voat positivity and numbers did crash during that.

And Many mods were posting with Freearmy constant attack posts. Thats just fact. Sure gave cocksuck appearance.

Vindicator ago

You're talking about @ArmySeer? Still not clear on who you are referring to.

Strawtinman ago

No worries. Is old news. Just pointing out early redflags. Nathan was the Australian one. Blair family.Newbies not know early redflags and many oldies never poated but dud watch all on voat, reddit, 4chan etc.

Silverlining ago

Vin - you mean infested with criminals? [lags]

Vindicator ago

Looks like Voat is laggy -- let's see if your original comment gets merged with the edited version automatically.

Vindicator ago

Silverlining, you made a duplicate comment. Can you remove this second one to keep the thread uncluttered? Thanks.