*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
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Millennial_Falcon ago
Already explained. Provide a direct link or screenshot of the pedo accusation. Pizzagate is not about sweatshops.
cantsleepawink ago
In the comments section of my now dead post: http://imgur.com/a/7LMX4
Clicking the link: http://imgur.com/a/E48rV
It's about pedophilia and trafficking - which the video addressed. Peter Nygard owns sweatshops. Where do you think some of the underaged girls that are being trafficked to the precious US of A are coming from ? And who is supplying them ??
Millennial_Falcon ago
You never told me the video itself addressed pedophilia/trafficking. Why are you only mentioning that now? If you would have simply said that in the title, we would never have had an issue. This is part of why Rule 3 exists. Matter of fact, it doesn't make any sense that you didn't put in the title, not to mention that you only mention it now. Before, you said the claims of pedophilia were in the comments section (which is why I asked you to link to or screenshot the comment).
cantsleepawink ago
http://imgur.com/a/Sq61g
Crensch ago
Clickbait title, nothing useful so far.
So... 3rd world shit that doesn't matter.
Really? Allegations. Of pedophilia. In some 3rd world shithole.
Color me impressed.
Tell me exactly what you think investigating ALLEGATIONS of PEDOPHILIA in a 3RD WORLD SHITHOLE will do. For anyone. For any reason.
It's a slide. It's a useless, rulebreaking post that has fuck-all to do with elites, and everything to do with the fact that it takes place...
in a third world shithole's sweatshops.
cantsleepawink ago
Hahahahaha...that was pathetic. I give you a D-
The first bit of the title was the name of the video. The documentary was an important piece of investigative journalism about the abuse that goes on in sweatshops that includes rape and other forms of abuse of workers and trafficking to the US of underaged girls. Some of these 3rd world sweatshops are owned by billionaire Peter Nygard and supporting articles describe his connections with Prince Andrew and Epstein et al....Nygard has been in court accused of..I won't waste my time carrying on. ..
I'm archiving your response for prosperity.
I'm not.
Crensch ago
Irrelevant clickbait title. Why retype it?
"Sweatshops that traffick underaged girls to the US" <--- better title. Still not enough without linking it to the political sheltered elite, but better.
"Sweatshops that traffick underaged girls to men linked to Epstein" <--- better title. Notice a pattern here?
Cool, I can do that, too. http://archive.is/lTBNp
I wasn't, either.
cantsleepawink ago
Duh, yes. Do you know how many posts I've made to this subverse? Sometimes I don't get the title as perfect as it should be. Most moderators give you the opportunity to create changes necessary. There is dialogue. Instead with MF there is hostility. It's bizarre. The things he said I needed were actually there..and that's why I pinged you the screenshots.
Right now we have a post languishing on the forum "Taylor Swift. WTF" That's not click bait ? Or is it that Taylor isn't a 3rd world sweatshop girl ?
Really?
So what ?
Crensch ago
Irrelevant.
Try harder.
Irrelevant. Repost. Not really that difficult.
Look at how he's attacked constantly. I'd be hostile, too.
If your post failed on multiple levels, it's NOT HIS JOB to type out the laundry-list of rules you broke, why, how to fix them, etc. Fix your own shit, faggot.
Then ping a mod or janitor about it. What the fuck do you think mods are? Omniscient and omnipresent? Do your fucking duty if you see something that isn't right.
You certainly didn't illustrate that it was in that title. Or are we supposed to just believe that any 3rd world human trafficking is PG and that we should have people waste resources investigating/reading about it?
You deemed it important enough to respond to; if it wasn't, then maybe you should ask yourself that question?
cantsleepawink ago
No it's not. I've been on this forum solidly for 9 months now. I'm not some fly-by-night ..and most of us here know each other to whatever extent that is possible. I think that hostility and aggression is uncalled for, and unacceptable.
I did. And that's a whole other story.
Not by me. However, that's now changed as I've lost patience.
You already are.
It did not. The title was not good enough..it could have been improved sure..but all the information was relevant.
I've done so many times in the past. On this occasion I didn't. So sue me. That's actually the mods job and that post has been on the forum now for 4 days. Cry me another excuse, why dontcha ?
You haven't taken the time to go through properly the exchange between MF and myself, have you?
The articles on your first world billionaire were all there. I've already explained his connections to pizzagate via pedophilia, Epstein, Prince Andrew, trafficking accusations. I can't do anything about wilful ignorance, lack of education, lack of subject knowledge and a poor attitude in others. But I know how I can respond to it.
Crensch ago
Oh, how lucky for me that I get to respond to this now! It must have gotten lost somewhere in my mail.
This is Voat. Unlike rEddit, where you faggots were banned from posting about PG, tone-fallacy doesn't actually win arguments; both reality and Voat work this way.
Well, supposed shills seem to not have any issue with doing so, so quit whining.
Likewise here, and I'm sure MF has, as well.
You don't really understand what hostile means here, then.
Then you failed.
I'm not the one bringing shit up. If you have a problem and you did nothing to rectify it, what in the everloving fuck makes you think you have the right to complain about it?
"Wah, I pinged a mod elsewhere so why aren't they removing this post I didn't ping them to?"
Honestly, I have no idea at this point. I dig through what I'm linked to until the person linking me there shows they're full of shit - so if you pinged me there, and I didn't, then you're full of shit.
EVERY POST SHOULD HAVE THE DOTS CONNECTED FROM WHAT IS KNOWN AND ACCEPTED TO YOUR NEW EVIDENCE/CLAIM/LEAD
Was the wiki not shut down/DDOSed or whatever recently? Isn't there NO OTHER FUCKING PLACE ON THE INTERNET TO ARCHIVE THIS SHIT? PG is for ARCHIVING the REAL shit that is FULLY SOURCED and LINKED to what is KNOWN and ACCEPTED by the community as being part of PG.
Every fucking post should be an add-on of claims and supporting links to more claims and supporting links ad infinitum (metaphorically). Fucking SOURCE your shit.
This isn't a discussion place, or a place for nigger-tier communication and shitty titles.
Get your shit together, faggot.
@kevdude @Millennial_Falcon @vindicator
cantsleepawink ago
Classy.
Crensch ago
Useful.
@kevdude