*** Our usual sticky, the Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence, can be found in the sidebar and here. ***
There's been a great discussion over the past few weeks in v/pizzagatewhatever about what users would like to change in order to improve the functioning of this subverse, so we'd like to take an official poll to gauge sentiment. I will describe details here, and list individual proposals separately in the Comments below; please upvoat or downvoat each of them and/or leave a subcomment to voice your opinion on the matter.
Item #1: Should we turn on the 100 CCP Downvoat setting (Doesn't prevent shitposts; Removes us from being visible outside this sub)
The primary concern discussed is cutting down the number of shill and troll posts by limiting downvoats to those who have 100 Comment Contribution Points. Please be aware there was quite a bit of misinformation contained in that discussion. Here are the facts:
Kevdude explained to me how CCP works:
CCP are points we get for comments. The middle number at the top is your sitewide ccp. Once that hit 100 you can downvote. You can not downvote anywhere if you are under 100.
In the sidebar there is the minimum ccp to dv in a sub. That refers to your in-sub ccp which is ccp you generate on the comments you make in that sub. (which is why under that you see "your ccp for this sub"). That does not mean new users with 0 ccp can downvote. It just means tgat you don't have to generate points in the sub to dv there. If you raise the sub minimum 2 things happen. Users can no longer generate ccp for the sub and the sub is blocked from v/all.
@VieBleu characterized the 100 CCP limit to downvoat as a "figleaf" and implied it limits people's ability to submit material. The first point is accurate, the second is not.
To clarify: turning on this setting has NO IMPACT on the ability to submit or comment. It's main effect is to prevent our material from being seen outside this subverse (something many shills and several pedos who frequent this board would love to have happen!) and stop each of us from accruing Comment Contribution Points for our comments within this subverse. This could have the unintended effect of severely limiting those who primarily contribute to v/pizzagate! CCP is an important buffer -- if people downvoat your comments into the negatives, you lose the ability to comment. Organized downvoat brigades can effectively silence those with low CCP. Currently, SCP -- submission contribution points -- have no effect on the ability of your account to take action on Voat (other than demonstrating you are an actual contributor).
Based on this, I believe turning on the 100 CCP downvoat minimum would unnecessarily empower the shills and trolls -- the exact opposite of the intended effect, which is why @Crensch @Kevdude @VictorSteinerDavion and others who have been pinged about this have said no. However, because users have requested it, I am going to include it in this poll as item number one. Please make an informed vote.
Proposal #2: Turn on the "Only allow submissions from authorized users" feature & Authorize users who introduce themselves in new sister-sub
In the thread mentioned above, user @GoodGodKirk suggested we create a Pizzagate Introductions sister-sub, and close submissions to those who have not introduced themselves. I believe that would be FAR more effective and have less negative consequences for legit users than turning on the 100 CCP Downvoat option. However, it would require we stop allowing submissions from everyone until they make a post in the new subverse. The downside to this is that it would radically downthrottle content in the short term. This is a huge change and would need a demonstration of major support from the community, but could be a very interesting experiment! Please vote and comment below.
Include any thoughts you may have about how to get the most out of an intros sister-sub to hinder shills and support legit Pizzagoats. For example, before approving submitters, we could require they subscribe to all five (now six) sister subs -- so that stuff from v/pizzagatewhatever ends up on their front page and people aren't so reluctant to post speculative or unsourced stuff there.
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
In VieBleu's threads, various ideas and proposals were put forward, including adding me as an O. I have mixed feelings about that and feel really weird putting it in a sticky. I am including it, though, because I said I would do this sticky based on what was discussed. Two new facts have come to light however since that thread that may make this a moot point:
Proposal #4: Revisit what is and isn't Rule 1 compliant (directly related to Pizzagate)
This topic has caused massive frustration for users and mods, and will require it's own sticky, as there are a number of issues and this could dramatically shift what is allowed to remain on the board. For now, please voat about whether we should discuss this, and leave a comment about why stuff that's removed now should be included, or why not, so those thoughts can be included in a future sticky.
Proposal #5: Hide the "Share a Link" button
The low effort required to post in v/pizzagate via Share a Link, as well as the inability to edit post headlines (Link posts are ONLY headlines) to satisfy the rest of the submission rules make this idea very attractive to mods. We have to take down numerous otherwise legit posts because people don't take the time to write a clear, accurate headline that explains how the link they are sharing is directly related to Pizzagate. We can't remove the functionality, but we can hide the button. This would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary post removals on technicalities.
Those are the five main proposals as I saw it. If I've missed any, please include them in the Comments below. Give them a headline like I have done (put a "#" with no space at the beginning of the headline, and a double carriage return after, some text describing why you think the change should be made, and ask people to vote on it.)
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Vindicator ago
Proposal #3: Change mods/owners (various ideas)
Please vote and comment -- be specific about what you are voting for or against please
Silverlining ago
@Millennial_Falcon should be encouraged to resign. He spends hours here and adds nothing, just upsetting people.
I would be happy to resign ownership of https://voat.co/v/MillennialFalcon in his favor, if he leaves off moderating this subverse.
He would get his life back.
And @kingkongwaswrong might as well move on at the same time. Absentee landlords are so last century, if not the one before that!
Millennial_Falcon ago
pick one.
There are two kinds of people who get upset by my moderating. One is shills/trolls like Amalek. Another is paranoid types (a great recent example is @hojoruku) who think I'm trying to censor them because I ask them to take 2 minutes to add needed info to their post. Well, to be fair, there's a third issue. Some users simply don't understand that actual evidence is important and it gets buried and hidden if we allow the slippery slope of tons of barely-relevant posts.
UgTr2 ago
@Silverlining is right, you should resign. Banning people for a single comment which draws attention a contentious issue is not about spam, regardless of what you put in the deletion log.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Thanks for the input, 8-day-old account, but I haven't done any such thing. I ban users for spamming posts (i.e. reposting already-removed posts) that break the rules (and sometimes that takes the form of the user linking their post in a new post complaining about the removal). I have been cracking down on Amalek (aka spamalek) alt accounts, though, and I may have been a bit overzealous, in that I experimented with "test-banning" accounts that are inexplicably supportive of his shitposts, to see if those accounts are just sockpuppets or not. I have always been reasonable about bans. If the user is well-intentioned, I will always reverse the ban, often without even being asked.
That said, I would be happy to step down if there were someone to take my place. As it is, I've been the only one willing to do the job consistently and persistently.
UgTr2 ago
Actually, you have. This account is relatively new because you banned me as Ugly Truth after I posted this
How are you going to know if they are well intentioned or not if they're banned? You could have simply looked at their post history.
Millennial_Falcon ago
lol. you practically asked me to ban you ("will MF ban me too?"). Jem777 was banned to test if s/he is an Amalek sockpuppet. I did the same to test your account. If you had messaged me to ask me about it, I would have reversed the ban right away. Account history doesn't really prove anything. Amalek knows how to create fake personas.
UgTr2 ago
Asking a question is not the same as requesting a ban. The reason that people get banned should be because they're not abiding by the rules rather than some other arbitrary criteria. Account histories give a good indication of intent, proof of intent is a difficult thing to measure. If your test was even meaningful, then why haven't you unbanned me?
Strawtinman ago
MF banned and let many be posted on a shill list in the begginning of voat pizzagate. Most on the shill list had many posts of research subverses and comments full of research. Kingkong did this to. It turned alot of people off for they gave many hours of research.
Meanwhile, shills were not banned and bullies. This amalek thing is a paranoid level and bullshit excuse level. Amalek was a issue from years ago. The mods allowed profile Freearmy to list shills with the most insane illogic that did not prove shills, but proved free army has no logic. All the support to freearmy by the mods and it makes one wonder if a mod is controlling narrative or sexing freearmy.
A number of researchers that endured the above had connected pgate to public health care, fosters, organ trafficking; including "mango" wikileaks emails.
A number of ones wrongfully called shills that gave a lot of research were also reporting that were doxxed, hacked, gang stalked and more.
I have been observing from week one of voat and reddit, chan sites. Many just observe as have adult responsibilities and have witnessed the habits that occur here and the misery put on ones that gave so much work and effort to the cause.
The post by MF above, using H as a example in negative. Clearly, H is exhausted by all the labours to the cause, including in the courts that MF has never done.
There is clearly, multi control narrative, intimidate real citizen researchers on here. And it started on week one.
There are many that care of Pgate and want it stopped. Many do not include sabotaging assholes in their daily lives, so do not post on here for much fuckery on here.
UgTr2 ago
Yeah, MF started with "spamalek" in the ban log at around the time that he banned me.
Still, I don't know of anywhere better for people to post their research. I guess system-level fuckery is just a fact of life when you're trying to talk about the issues related to pizzagate.
Strawtinman ago
Surprised how many missed the Bair blood early troll on here that broke many laws to number of citizen researchers. Nathanwblair. Now Australia pedo is being shown.