Community member @VieBleu is asking for an addition to the rules regarding advocation of violence

I propose a rule that submissions or comments that promote vigilante justice and or violence are not tolerated. Every person using this forum is asked to engage with the originator if they run across this kind of content and ask them to modify it or take it down. If they do not do so upon being asked, or are not online, their content will be removed.
When asking someone to tone down or take down violent content, the suggested approach is to say something like "Content that promotes violence or vigilante justice is not tolerated among the pizzagate community. Please take that type of free speech to another venue."

I consider a rule explicitly dealing with this to be important and adding something to the "On Concerns" section would probably address this.

Something to consider is that it would be a bad idea to delete posts advocating violence, my personal preference is to have a process using the report spam button and a copypasta reply from the mod team containing the appropriate text.
I think calling on the community itself to shun these kinds of comments is probably the most effective and rapid way to deal with this, having a rule to point to can add weight.
Pointing out that the community is an investigation and information gathering one, calls for vigilantism have no place here.

Repeat offenders can get the copypasta treatment, and ultimately banned if it is very clear that they are working against the intent of the community.

Mods need to fix the "subscribe" txt button. Txt just disappeared when my cursor cam near it, and I had to fickle with it and click the txt over and over again before it would finally let me subscribe. Bet a lot of people have just given up.

Please, just fix it, mods.

Mod - Hi - there is a new really well organized post that lays out all the pizzagate stuff with links, fully supported etc....Many people are calling for it to be sticky so that when newcomers get here (there is a lot more traffic today and prob more with Milo talk tonight) there is something for them to really grab onto instead of just the "new" or "hot" stuff.

Also we need a definition of what constitutes SPAM - i posted a link trying to get this article upvoted and I was reported as spamming. As I have no personal gain but am feebly trying to add some editorial organization to this mad teeming place, I think this was wrongly reported. I don't see a definition to the right so please provide one so that good posts aren't deleted as spam by shills.

Here is the link Explainer COULD YOU PLEASE STICKY RIGHT AWAY? (I have no affiliation with it at all, just want to help get some organization going)

please share via sli.mg. I am not aware of a mechanism that allows people to delete a submission without it going into the log.

Who are the fucking Jews deleting my comment! Joke but seriously, censoring? My comments are gone..

This isn't a discussion, it's a rule list. It's reddit.

LOL my post about shills trying to distract people from linking Pizzagate to Zionism has been deleted by kingcuckwaswrong. This place is dead guys, next its going to be like Gamergate where they went from fighting cultural Marxism, to banning people for making crass jokes towards SJWs.

You have been on here for 2 weeks and are a lazy mod. You only got the gig because you are club 33. Screw u!

yes it will be back shortly!

I'm on board as long we we get more transparency from the mods. How about logs of all (relevant) internal conversations that take place, as well as logs of all deleted submissions? If you want the autonomy to lead, surely it must be justified with transparency.

Thanks for your work mods! Total agreement with this direction.

I would like to make a suggestion for daily or weekly sticky threads. Things like: "New leads discovered from 11/26 to 12/3" "Daily investigation thread 11/26", etc.

In these sticky threads, and ONLY these sticky threads, there could be rules to keep the investigation on track. I imagine something like "top comments must be a link to a new piece of evidence and why it might mean something", "replies to top comments must make an argument to support or debunk the evidence presented", etc.

Pros:
-Keeps investigation on track
-A structured pattern of discussion would help to prevent shilling and sliding
-Minimizes mod power as users will still be the ones submitting and deciding on evidence

Cons:
-Would introduce extra maintenance to make sure mods are not enforcing the sticky thread rules with bias
-People will rightfully say this feels reddit-y

Your thoughts?

I knew this was going to happen when all you fucks from Reddit came over here. Mod to keep the posts on topic and that is it. This is voat.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1431165 sticky that too.

Considering the amount of info I think it is crucial to organize the data. That might also lead to less "doublethreads" and also a possibility to move questionable posts to a "other" category without censoring anything. Would it be possible to have a "middlelayer" between pizzagate and the threads, like a list on the side that comes up after you click on pizzagate? Something like this: - Summaries - Info for newcomers - New leads - James Alefantis - David Brock - Obama - Podesta brothers - Soros - Childtrafficking foundations - Monica Petersen/Haiti - FBI/CIA - The tunnel systems - Earlier investigations - Symbols/rituals - Other etc etc

4 General topic rules

Suggested by a voater: Posts not about PIZZAGATE specifically will be removed. Unfounded, outlandish connections will be removed. EVERY new claim needs a valid, clear source. While some hypothesis and guesses are good to have, things about races, religions, (besides possibly satanic stuff,) and other unfounded or non-useful generalizations are not relevant to this investigation.

If you can enforce that, we are in good hands.

I'm finding that things that THEY don't want seen, in my case a very old yet clear (and fucking disturbing) video tying Carlos Slim of the NYTimes to this filth can't get any legs. Briganding or something? I didn't really think DV would matter much in here but it does.

I get that, and take no issues with them doing so. It just seems they are taking a very heavy-handed approach to defining what is "on topic."

if everyone could possibly search for topic to respond to or comment on, instead of starting a new thread every few minutes, that'll be great.

Sounds good to me overall. I'm glad the spam posts are being deleted. I'm not sure if the rest needs to be so strict but I don't have much of an opinion on it. I just ignore most of the other stuff anyway.

I'm generally of the opinion that upvoting and downvoting will even things out and that was my stance here until last night. The concern trolling doesn't bother me as much as the spam. In particular, users who repeatedly post the exact same threads (title, description and all) are making it more difficult to find meaningful posts.

As much as I don't like the idea of censorship, the moderation logs keep the censorship in the open so that everyone can find out what is being deleted and why. That way, if there is a significant disagreement over whether something is relevant, it can at least be debated publicly and no individual has sole control over what is and isn't acceptable.

WORSE? No. DILUTING the punch with dirty water? Far more likely. Time and place, asswipe. Unnecessary bias dilutes the message, because the people too stupid to connect the dots without help are then distracted by all the moronic crap about the joos and Pizzazombies and other worthless bullshit. THIS is not the time nor place for such stupid. Take it elsewhere, and if you are too stupid to do so, then others may have to help. And downvotes do not filter the water from bullshit.

It's called "Try to stay focused." I understand how for many people, with the amount and variety of "surface innocence" evidence being presented, this can be a confusing wad of chew to try and swallow. We don't need, nor want, the rabble of stupid to further the confusion.

If you can't grasp the basic intelligence of that, in your quest for "total freedom," then you are no shill, you are just a fucking moron, and have no place here.

we've worked it out TY the mods are fair and i am certain overwhelmed by the foot traffick which is so important to this

no tampering with comments agreed!

BURN THIS FUCKING MOD ... go back to reddit if you want to mod. shut your fucking mouth and enjoy the show.

cleaning things up...that is not the voat way.

Usually that's right. Not in this instance.

For some context to some of this:

Franklin Cover-Up Excerpt, John DeCamp:

https://archive.fo/I6OCx

Ritual Abuse Hypnosis/MPD/Disoc Disorder, Prof. D. Corydon Hammond:

https://archive.fo/54x7F

Nope. Good guy doing what he can to keep an investigation subverse on topic and uncluttered.

https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1438543/6941681

Is there anyway to tell who is down voting things? I just submitted something that I think is very crucial and it has 2 down votes in a matter of minutes. I'm new to voat and not sure exactly how this works but it doesn't seem right that people can do that without an explanation unless they are shills! That might be a way of getting rid of them if you knew who was down voting good leads!

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1438615

Thank you!

1. Title/picture only posts with no explanation

This is an investigation, explain how your submission is linked in. Dont be lazy.

This is fine.

1. Zero tolerance for spam

Spam posts will be deleted and users banned.

This is weird. And is one of a couple of ways cancer mods on reddit spread, and started to justify abuse with automod.

Define spam. Generally speaking, copypasta, where the same text body or comments can be identified, and be a true/false value that either readers or other mods can easily verify. If an antisemitic user is actually engaging in debate, on topic with #pizzagate, and not just copy/pasting arguments, if it is unwanted by the community, they should be downvoted by the community.

AKA you should be able to identify "amalek" spam on sight, but if amalek is actually on one of his medicated days, he should not be banned until he starts acting up with multiple links/copy comments.

1. Concern trolling posts will be deleted unless substantiated or adding significant value

This is weird. Because precisely a mod can go "this one this week adds enough value" and "this one this week does not". And honestly, if it gets upvoted, it should by definition, be adding value, and if it is downvoted, not adding value, so it doesn't need to be a rule by itself.

I have to agree. PC has been used to silence free speech so that specific groups can not be identified. What if Hitler and Nazi's were innocent? That everything we think we know was taught by a powerful group. What if, and it looks like it is, if this group we are deal with in this pedo ring, is the same group? Are they normal Jews, Christians, or whatever? NOPE!! What about the Bolsheviks, where they the same Jews as the Jews in Germany? NOPE! BUT 100's of thousands of Bolshevik Jews migrated to Germany before and after WW1. Imagine having them taking over banks, media, schools and politics. Strikingly similar to what is happening today. Is it any wonder Roosevelt and his confirmed communist VP were allies with a "group" who they knew had Gulags and murdered 100's of millions. Meanwhile here they were trying to do similar shit. What if these "Bolshevik Jews" are not Jews at all? What if they use the title as a way of hiding under our noses? This is why we need the rights and ability to identify groups and filter people, identify the nefarious motherfckrs. Right now we can use left/right but we have to stop the left from using their power of propaganda against the right. We need to use anti-propaganda! The truth!! 100% unabridged freedom of speech, the lefts worst nightmare!

I am finding the voat.co search to be irrelevant. I typed in Assange and clicked "Limit the search to current subverse" and it didn't find this result: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1436916

I have been using google to find articles but is there any way to fix this? As well, google searches have been ummm unreliable concerning pizzagate. So it really would be useful to get this fixed.

Edit - after re-reading your post, I would like you to clarify what you intend to do with posts that violate your rules.

Just my opinion, but you're making a mistake. A big one. This isn't reddit.

The entire ecosystem here is set up to allow user moderation through upvoats and downvoats. It makes navigation more difficult and slower because you do have to weed through stuff you don't agree with and don't want to see, but that is a worthwhile sacrifice. It ensures that authoritarian individuals don't get the power to speak for the entire community. While I'm sure your intentions are good, they may not always be, or those that come after you may not be.

I think you need to get the community more accustomed to speaking with the voats and letting them moderate themselves. It's a change and will not feel normal overnight, but is the right thing to do. Jumping into Voat waters and imposing reddit customs is wrong. It's against everything we stand for, and I'm frankly a little shocked at your eagerness to do so.

TY you get my up vote [these are very precious]this rat fucker makes a power play to shut me up big mistake!

the numbers making their heads swell i told alot of people to traffic over here and we can and will go elsewhere just as easy

this needs light of day not silencing!! TY for your comment makes me bolder too

What about the fact that pizzathrowaway was caught upvoting his own, and downvoting others posts from multiple accounts?

I think those are good rules. The racism shills are making us look bad around here imo.

It'll get better once the flairs get working!

Can we still circlejerk on Morale Monday @kingkongwaswrong? Pleaassseee :)

I understand now why my discussion thread was deleted.

Thank you, @KingKongWasWrong.

You and your mods don't have to think for us!

Whatever. Its your fucking sub. Do what you want on it. But do not think to carry this authoritarian shit to other subs or to the admins.

do you mean user @0110110101100101 ?

Well, my opinion is (and id like to hear from others) is that we want to focus our efforts and not be distracted. So in accordance with that I'm going to clean up the posts. If people say they want the concern trolling back, we can revert easy peasy.

Get mods to label posts. There are way too many symbol pots which lets be honest half the time a company with a spiral. They have a place here but should be label as symbol posts.

Hard evidence should also be labeled. I mean hard evidence like Comet Pizza hosting encrypted files on their web page on a hidden part of their site.

History should be labeled. Fanklin scandal, presideo day care and the finders are important to know about. I wish we could dig more evidence on these to see how it links to current finds.

Theory labels are important. Sometimes excellent theories that end up coming true come up. Some times shit ones that are about aliens and lizard people come up.

Connection labels are very important. While it may just be six degrees of seperation othertimes these are KEY.

Anon tips should be labeled accordingly.

Etc. list goes on. Label things so they are easy to differentiate between. Cream will rise.

almost every second post on the front page was concern trolling. I let it go, I thought the same as you but there are a LOT of shills around and one of their tactics is sliding and diluting content. There's lots of good intent mixed in with the shills probably, but let's focus.

You're right free speech is so important, but there have been about 15 - 20 'WATCH OUT DONT BE ANTISEMITIC' type posts ranging from articulate to downright spam. If that's not a campaign I don't know what is. Those kinds of posts can stifle free speech in their own way by swaying and guilting people from speaking their minds. There's a balance between zero modding and fascist modding.

Reposting from a few days ago

Trying to message the mods but it wont let me, might as well post it here. @kingkongwaswrong

Hey, so i was with the pizzagate sub on reddit when it hovered around 2500-3000 people, before it shot up in popularity so quickly and crazily. It was really easy to spot the downfall of the sub, i messaged multiple mods to no concern. Few things i noticed that may help you out and keep this sub in control.

1)You need to be very very strict on posts...and i dont mean the obvious ones (cp, etc) Im talking ones that look legit but focus on SATANISM/ RELIGION...Yes it has parts to do with the investigation but its not a crime and shouldnt be a focus at all. That was really what began the downfall, credibility is automatically lost when that becomes the focus. I pretty much would outright ban all religious, satanism, bullshit themes related.

2)GOOD post on the FBIANON as a resource, it really is. He knows what hes talking about since the first post in July i think. He drops bullshit now and again (admitted and on purpose) but mostly hes on point. FOLLOW THE MONEY, the main focus of this sub should be THE CLINTON FOUNDATION----FOLLOW THE MONEY, SOROS, TAVISTOCK,

3)Ban memes, music videos, cannibalism??, even other restaurants (posts about HEY GUYS CHECK OUT THIS RANDOM FUCKING PIZZA JOINT IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING NOWHERE , ITS LOGO LOOKS LIKE A PEDO!!!!) .. NO MORE WITCH HUNTING ... the shills will use THIS to their advantage the most

4)Unless its META post, i would be very strict on all posts coming in that dont contribute to the investigation. Seriously, its easy to handle shrill post now when its only 4000 people, wait till it 24000 and no rules in places. SET THEM EARLY

5)You need to be very aware , that people will call you a shill and going mod crazy and bla bla bla when you really enforce these rules and delete threads but you need to keep control and make sure it doesnt fall apart. ignore them

There are probably more that im forgetting but it was really easy to watch the downfall of that sub in real time and nothing was done to stop it.Dont make the same mistake.

EDIT - i guess the anti-semitism angle is one of attacks the shills didnt use over at reddit

it is crazy and actually challenging my initial assumptions of 'they'll be fine left to their own devices!' 0_0

This subverse has a purpose - to investigate pizzagate. I'm not shitting on voat, I'm not censoring opinion. In fact I'm openly asking for it, hence your feedback. In fact this change of mod approach is in response to feedback.

imho: keep the old ones. delete new ones only