There has been a lot of discussion and drama re modding lately. We have multiple camps of opinions.
I want whats best for this sub. I'm not an experienced mod but I can see that leaving everything to its own devices has led to a lot of circlejerk, concern trolling, waste of space submissions.
This subverse is for the investigation of pizzagate connections, to further our understanding of the situation and find more relationships and potentially some evidence.
We are all concerned about shills and the subverse being compromised. Make no mistake, shills are here and in great force. They are trying to create drama, they are trying to frame us as racists, they are trying to mislead us and they are trying to distract us.
To that end, I am going to put the following rules in place and as mods we will start to enforce them. The purpose of these rules is to concentrate the efforts here and facilitate meaningful dialogue, as well as remove all the noise. This is going to be hard. Sorting things is hard. We will make mistakes. We will ask you guys for input. Please feel free to check the mod logs at all times and call us out if you have any objections.
These rules are open for discussion, below. Please let me know your thoughts.
1. Concern trolling posts will be deleted unless substantiated or adding significant value
There are currently a number of concern troll posts - such as concerns about antisemitism (that have zero examples or proof), concerns about the fact that we're doing it wrong etc. Concern trolling adds no value to the sub, it clutters it. We want to hear your concerns, you can IM us or use the @ handle.
2. Zero tolerance for spam
Spam posts will be deleted and users banned.
3. Title/picture only posts with no explanation
This is an investigation, explain how your submission is linked in. Dont be lazy.
Like I mentioned, I'm new to modding. We may add more rules as you guys comment below, and we may change the above. But for now I'm going to do a bit of a cleanup, feel free to provide feedback. I'm sick of the state of things as much as you guys.
If you want to be helpful, here's a link to the previous sticky which we will reinstate soon. It contains direction and where to focus - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434672
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ejd4500 ago
For some context to some of this:
Franklin Cover-Up Excerpt, John DeCamp:
https://archive.fo/I6OCx
Ritual Abuse Hypnosis/MPD/Disoc Disorder, Prof. D. Corydon Hammond:
https://archive.fo/54x7F
MAGABoomer ago
People are confusing the "satanic aspects" of ritual abuse with actual Satanism. I really don't know how to explain this in any short post but can direct you to books/resources to study it so you don't get stuck on Satanism.
The inclusion of what some call satanism into abuse is a control mechanism to instill fear, and false memories. It is so hard to explain. The organization of such abuse begins with Operation Paperclip, devolves into US mind control programs like Monarch, MK Ultra etc. A good book to read that is written for the layperson but very well organized/laid out is Orphan Conspiracies, it helped me work out a good timeline and sort out the evolution of this stuff.
When I say this I get attacked OMG satanism...but it's clear people do not understand the evolution of mind control techniques, and the pleasure/pain mechanisms. Satanism is as "real" as $cientology or xianity (sorry folks, all fear-based religions are mind control)...Satanism is something people are AFRAID of. There are people who believe these rituals empower them...just like $cientologists believe enough auditing will permit them to move ashtrays.
I was involved in Chanology almost from the begining. I know $cientology inside and out. It is closely related to what is happening in Pizzagate.
Does it matter WHICH mechanism people use to create the fear/pain/pleasure mind control response? NO. MANY "religious" groups use their own doctrine to do the same. So focusing on Satanism as this OMG religion thing is a mistake. Clams do not use Satanic imagery...and LRon studied at Crowley's feet...and yet his system of mind control is every bit as effective. There are mind control/abuse factors in EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS GROUP in the world. Period. From Judaism, xianity, to satanism.
The reason Satanism is MOST popular is the imagery is "scary"...when I read Oz girls testimony about "ritual abuse" it was very easy to recognize the false elements terrified into her via the pain/pleasure/fear response. They do this so that if the child later speaks out, no one will believe them. The imagery is so over the top ON PURPOSE. The child believes everything imprinted..this makes it nearly impossible for the child to ever be believed because the things they do as part of the mind control is meant to be over the top.
I don't know how to explain this in a way that is not going to get a knee jerk response OMG how dare you deny satanism...that's not what I'm saying...and understanding what I'm trying to tell you is actually going to require you to study it, extensively.
So yeah, OMG Satan...is badly minimizing, and actually becoming a mechanism by which ears are shutting, and it is designed to do just that...and it's working. Using different language that is maybe more scientific in nature, backed up by exhaustive research and really ends up disguising the depth of the issue.
DO people drink blood and eat people...fuck yes. Does it help them? I dunno...but Hilldawg surely is not showing any benefits, neither is Bill. WHY would they use the pain/pleasure/fear mechanism on a child while dressed in spooky robes, "drink blood" eat humans, kill babies? ARE they really doing that in most cases? OR is that merely the mechanism used to inflict the "fear" portion of the mind control.
Focusing on the mechanism rather than making it some spiritual perversion would be way more effective. It's like how parents tell their kids...don't go into the forest alone at night or the big bad wolf will eat you...later child captured...fear response effective if abuser dressed in wolf costume.
I hope I explained it enough to avoid being attacked. If you're going to be involved in this investigation, it will benefit you immensely to actually study this.