There has been a lot of discussion and drama re modding lately. We have multiple camps of opinions.
I want whats best for this sub. I'm not an experienced mod but I can see that leaving everything to its own devices has led to a lot of circlejerk, concern trolling, waste of space submissions.
This subverse is for the investigation of pizzagate connections, to further our understanding of the situation and find more relationships and potentially some evidence.
We are all concerned about shills and the subverse being compromised. Make no mistake, shills are here and in great force. They are trying to create drama, they are trying to frame us as racists, they are trying to mislead us and they are trying to distract us.
To that end, I am going to put the following rules in place and as mods we will start to enforce them. The purpose of these rules is to concentrate the efforts here and facilitate meaningful dialogue, as well as remove all the noise. This is going to be hard. Sorting things is hard. We will make mistakes. We will ask you guys for input. Please feel free to check the mod logs at all times and call us out if you have any objections.
These rules are open for discussion, below. Please let me know your thoughts.
1. Concern trolling posts will be deleted unless substantiated or adding significant value
There are currently a number of concern troll posts - such as concerns about antisemitism (that have zero examples or proof), concerns about the fact that we're doing it wrong etc. Concern trolling adds no value to the sub, it clutters it. We want to hear your concerns, you can IM us or use the @ handle.
2. Zero tolerance for spam
Spam posts will be deleted and users banned.
3. Title/picture only posts with no explanation
This is an investigation, explain how your submission is linked in. Dont be lazy.
Like I mentioned, I'm new to modding. We may add more rules as you guys comment below, and we may change the above. But for now I'm going to do a bit of a cleanup, feel free to provide feedback. I'm sick of the state of things as much as you guys.
If you want to be helpful, here's a link to the previous sticky which we will reinstate soon. It contains direction and where to focus - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434672
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6941586? ago
This is fine.
This is weird. And is one of a couple of ways cancer mods on reddit spread, and started to justify abuse with automod.
Define spam. Generally speaking, copypasta, where the same text body or comments can be identified, and be a true/false value that either readers or other mods can easily verify. If an antisemitic user is actually engaging in debate, on topic with #pizzagate, and not just copy/pasting arguments, if it is unwanted by the community, they should be downvoted by the community.
AKA you should be able to identify "amalek" spam on sight, but if amalek is actually on one of his medicated days, he should not be banned until he starts acting up with multiple links/copy comments.
This is weird. Because precisely a mod can go "this one this week adds enough value" and "this one this week does not". And honestly, if it gets upvoted, it should by definition, be adding value, and if it is downvoted, not adding value, so it doesn't need to be a rule by itself.
Crensch ago
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/1438543/6941681
I think things will be just fine.
6942654? ago
Haha, the fact that your link can pretty much be used as a shit/spam litmus test moving forward is great.
Or put another way, I like your edit of ""Posts not about PIZZAGATE specifically will be removed. Unfounded, outlandish connections will be removed. EVERY new claim needs a valid, clear source. While some hypothesis and guesses are good to have, things about races, religions, (besides possibly satanic stuff,) and other unfounded or non-useful generalizations are not relevant to this investigation."".
kingkongwaswrong ago
Thanks for thought out feedback, I appreciate it.
I think we're gonna make some modifications to the concern trolling one, and make a single thread for concerns. That means people can discuss and voice concerns and we can address them, but they don't clutter the sub with duplicates. Thoughts?
6941957? ago
If that's something you want, then define something like a timeframe/user posts/and it kind of goes back to defining spam.
I also really like /v/gaming way of handling their own rules. Their own post. But what sets them up to be decent voaters is that they have one pretty harsh rule, which is that titles are defined in a specific way, but @ChillyHellion, and others on their team, have always kept an internal method of if they miss a post in a time period/it gets a certain amount of upvotes, they just comment as a mod, restating the rule, but not touching the post itself. It means that if you have a spam rule of "no duplicate posts, and that include text posts with no further information, new links, then a previous post within the same hour/whatever", it means that pretty much all mods can be consistent in their janitorial roles.
That being said, each verse is different. /v/fatpeoplehate for instance is harsh on its draconian rules, and they have set themselves up as an exception on how mods operate on voat, as opposed to the rule. There are also some pretty old communities that are +1.4 years old, that still have "no bigotry" rules, and had to clarify themselves to /v/whatever or /v/protectvoat. This shit has been going on for some time. However, one of the most defining moments in the past with mods on voat was the "cupcake" incident, where one mod got called out for being a cupcake/special snowflake, and then went on a banning spree. The reason why even /v/android has gotten rid of its "be nice to eachother" rule.
End of the day, you're going have to justify when you use your rules, and the more hand-wavey, open to interpretation they are, the more likely they are to be abused. EDIT: Words.
kingkongwaswrong ago
true. The current set of rules are a draft I guess, they need to be further defined and locked down. We'll iterate on them and continue to open them up to feedback so we can get to a good place. Thanks for your thought out comment.