In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
wokeasfook ago
I see Reddit is being flooded with voat refugee memes
sfaskjdfaksd834 ago
just a reminder all....
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/about/log/comment
https://voat.co/v/RidersoftheReich/about/log/submission
@kevdude is a power mod who deletes comments & submissions, claims its something he has never done under the wrong.
@kevdude uses /v/protectvoat to ORGANIZE to downvoat users and brigade subverses. he continuously lies about me because he is paid to do it.
and fucking lies 95% of the time, you can see he as in almost bot like attack c&p the same message to me over and over
just another example, of the " builder" @kevdude lying
http://archive.is/1SkY3
He even ask for quote in his words "my services" to brigade a verse. he works along side of @crensch who is also a paid shill.
-dial
hes no even saying I c&p as another user... WHEN HE DOES THE SAME THING
pppppprooof
http://archive.is/DHtc7
http://archive.is/aBFee
http://archive.fo/xzYWA
http://archive.fo/4vWqN
http://archive.fo/cRewl
and generally happens within seconds of my postings.... will PIA protect me from that puttitout, fucking sellout
Here is more just one example of @kevdude shenanigans "the builder"
http://archive.is/rkHh9
kevdud bots
and he never has a real argument, I guarantee is a paid shill, much like crensch at this point
and dial was never a main... more lies you spineless cunt botter
.
here is @kevdude submissions history, fucking amazing work kevnog getting people banned and downvoated to nothing!
https://voat.co/u/kevdude/submissions <---- notice how every thing is upvoat from PV goonsquad.... FFS all he does upvoat shit motorhead remakes. Im calling voat manip on him... its so jewy
Still Zero on who systematicaly downted me. "OOOOh no it cant be Protectvoat" can it?"
https://voat.co/u/kevdude/comments
Hey @cresnch, aint you that power mode from /v/GreatAwakening ?
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/submission
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/banned
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/comment
here is "the builder" @kevdude threatening users @puttitout
http://archive.is/vcorI
oftotc ago
There are folks above posting about the high-financed-high-tech companies involved while OP presents WinXP logs. So many holes in the story from net ops perspective; folks are expected not to know to remain immersed in the story.
NotHereForPizza ago
When was the first time I said that to you? Don't you remember? The timeline is important. What has happened since I said that the first time ("I'm thinking about leaving sometime soon." should be the direct quote)?
You really should pay more attention. If you're actually a genuine person and not trying to control things, provoke division, or anything else I've accused you of in the past, you should take note of instances like these, ones where I've been able to suggest something is about to happen to you and people like you, and then eventually be proven right.
Keep in mind, I can't be too specific about some things so that certain people don't get distracted by certain anchored perspectives about certain topics.
No. Learn to see truth.
NotHereForPizza ago
You thinking everyone always has to be honest is your first mistake. Your second is thinking I'm some shill.
In reality, I took the microphone and pissed them all off at people who hold microphones. All it took was stoking distrust in power users. It never mattered what anyone at this bogus ass site thought of me.
You love to abuse your power, don't you? You don't think many of us have been watching what you're doing for a while now? We're all pretty aware of what sort of tendencies you have.
NotHereForPizza ago
@kevdude @Vindicator
Well damn, boys. Looks like my work here is done.
Good luck getting the faggots to delete their alts. You started this. You could have stopped this.
Does it piss you guys off that trust in you all is waning? Maybe you should have been nicer to people that tried to help you instead of jumping to conclusions and believing the moronic diatribes of people teetering on the edge of sanity.
You all deserve each other.
Vindicator ago
Oh hi, NHFP. Thanks for punching in.
We only need a couple more alts to show up here and this thread will be the Shareblue Academy Awards.
NotHereForPizza ago
It's funny you say that, Vindic8tor.
I've not "alts". This is the only account I've ever created. Unfortunately, there's no way to prove that beyond Putt saying, "this account uses an IP Address that shows up for one exclusive account." Luckily for you, though, he'll probably never do that. You'd better believe I would shove that proof down your throat, though.
By the way, me coaxing you in to twisting your own thoughts was pretty much the angle I took from the beginning. You seem to think I need alts... but just imagine what I could do if I didn't play nice.
Vindicator ago
Did I say you used alts?
No I did not. There are clearly multiple people from the same team operating here to fuck with Voat. As Putt said "You guys piss off powerful people."
Play with yourself as roughly as you please. At the end of the day, I have a clean conscience and you do not, which is why nothing you can do will disturb me in any way.
mimes4peace ago
Yeah. I get it. Always the same accusations. Nobody wants to answer a question.
mimes4peace ago
Doesn't answer any of the other questions at all. hmmm.
NOMOCHOMO ago
but it does verify that @webofslime made false claim about Mod Censorship.
Credibility destroyed
mimes4peace ago
I'd be curious to see the thread.
NOMOCHOMO ago
pussywhipped?
wtf are you talking about? this conversation has nothing to do with GA drama
mimes4peace ago
Dont you see what is going on? Someone was sending pictures to multiple people in this group. This is why they are socially bonded. There is some jealousy stuff happening.
NOMOCHOMO ago
lol. what are you talking about? Srayzie's supposed doxxing?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
You edited the ping in again, didn't you?
naughty pics? luv triangle?
How come i always miss all the good stuff?
Unfair
NOMOCHOMO ago
damnit! stupid! stupid!
mimes4peace ago
I dont really know. Am I reading this wrong? I know its anonymous but feelings look hurt. all fake? https://voat.co/v/confessions/3245371
NOMOCHOMO ago
fuhhh. this does not look good.
mimes4peace ago
I dont think kevdude is making it up. Just my feeling. https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3250049/18926905
mimes4peace ago
It actually just gives us a very human explanation of what is really going on. It is maybe an interesting lesson here.
NOMOCHOMO ago
It has no relevancy to this discussion unless you can directly relate it. otherwise it's conjecture.
mimes4peace ago
If everyone is in the background defending this womans honor who is sending nude pictures to people then there is a war happening in the background. You dont see how conflict could be effected by this? Voting habits? Herd mentality? Crensch changes his mind about 'free speech' and gets in a spat with WoS then everyone else follows suit?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed is very intuitive in my opinion.
does any of this ring true to you swmbo? I know its unverifiable, just asking if it passes a small test?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Stinks to high heaven, funnier than fuck.
Although i can't be sure as i don't do Q stuff.
Find out more about the pics. Asking for a friend.
NOMOCHOMO ago
a lil plump for my taste, but I'll see what I can do.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Yeah, never mind. My friend just lost his dinner. I do wish that i could put makeup on like that though, impressive.
Shame on you. Kinda-sorta.
NOMOCHOMO ago
The Storm is Coming!
and it's a biggun'
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
The Storm is Coming!
and it isn't even breathing hard
NOMOCHOMO ago
Where We Blow 1 We Blow All
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
All? That's alota blow.
Do i have to trust this plan too?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
O M G
mimes4peace ago
I would definitely be curious to confirm if there was a mass exodus on a platform over a lovers quarrel. The impetus of the -tension-
NOMOCHOMO ago
Yes. By definition. They slide legitimate user-determined, research posts down the board, while permanently keeping circlejerk drama at the top
you lost that debate, sperged out, and refused to defend yourself, instead attacking me as "autistic"
Liar. quote it back to me. I don't support ES. I also don't support Society of the Spectacle
NOMOCHOMO ago
how am I disrupting the PG sub? we're having this conversation on protectvoat
I operate a single account on Voat and am more than willing for @puttitout to make all of my account behavior public
NOMOCHOMO ago
You organized brigading with the intent to stir shit. You escalated whatever war was happening.
YOU GAVE THEM MORE ENERGY AND ATTENTION
I'm just trying to stop Elite Pedophilia and control networks.
I dont care about making friends or enemies. I am in pursuit of Truth
you are in pursuit of conflict
NOMOCHOMO ago
yet you advocate for the same behavior.
live by the sword, die by it.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I see where you're coming from.
shills don't want exposure. trolls do.
The problem is what if the Troll operation is to get you to attack the shills...not ignore them?
NOMOCHOMO ago
so if ES' goal was to destabilize PG, you don't think memorializing him in a sticky keeps feeding him?
DONT FEED THE TROLLS
virge ago
Why do you think? Interested parties on Voat don't want normies to see actual evidence there is paid provocation in the mess of mentally disabled provocation, because it fuddles their narratives.
Vindicator ago
You're not beating the trolls.
I agree with this.
mimes4peace ago
@thewebofslime went missing from Poal over a month ago. I see now why that is but I listen to the podcast and it would be concerning to me if he was a shill. It is something I would really want to know. I think a lot of his other followers would want to know too.
He has had a number of replies to you that you havent addressed and I see that as problematic. Ive tried to do some analysis to understand who is telling the truth and he has way more independently verifiable information than you do. Your response is to use ad hominem attacks. I have concerns with your dishonesty but you can clear something up for everyone if you want to be believed.
A few quick questions here.
Voat captures your IP. Right? It says so. Voat is on the lower end of how much users get tracked but has a voting system in place so you can't hide unless you go out of your way. Facebook steals your entire history beyond even just the Internet. They are two ends of the spectrum.
If someone attacked Voat do you think admin wouldn't use https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup as the first step? It is standard operating procedure in IT.
If someone logged into your email account and Google reported a security breach and listed the IP address is that not the first thing you would look up? You would be able to see if it was your own device, someone you knew or a random intrusion from Russia.
If someone posted the logs of an attack on their site wouldn't you want to know who the malicious attacker was? For the good of everyone?
From the outside looking in you are acting guilty because you seem terrified that your IP address is exposed.
Google Analytics is easily blocked by uBlock Origins. If you right click and "View Source" on webofslime.com you can see that it is VERY bare bones. Your own device is tracking you a lot more than that site and is making your browsing history available to Amazon and Google.
Here are multiple examples of Voat tracking that Voat has ZERO to do with.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co
https://www.similarweb.com/website/voat.co#overview
https://www.trackalytics.com/website/voat.co/
It looks like you are being very dishonest and acting very guilty.
You and I can independently verify that the IP address from the second probing attack is legitimate. We can verify the username is legitimate. We can verify that CACI and QinetiQ work together in "Integrated Projects" using the same money earmarked for "Project Earnest Voice." webofslime.com was attacked within minutes of your hostility and now you are caught being dishonest about it.
This is publicly available information and @thewebofslime shares exactly how to use it. Poal.co hosts this information. PMYB2 downloaded the 300 GB download for anyone to use. Why should we not be allowed to see what is in there? Why would you want that material censored? You deleted the post about this in your own subverse. What do you have to hide if you are telling the truth? If you dont understand that your entire Internet history is out there being traded by companies and governments all over the world then your outrage is sorely misplaced.
Did you actually get doxxed? At any point? If you did then you are guilty.
One last question.
Why did you describe the attack as a DDoS attack?
@kevdude @NOMOCHOMO @think- @crensch
PS: This is why WoS has not been online for a month. It really makes you look like the asshole in this situation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxyRteMA8fP/
If you dont get past your feelings on this one and produce a legitimate explanation you can expect backlash from a lot of WoS fans from Poal. This will be discussed at the next podcast and I will be providing your response or lack thereof to the crew.
Vindicator ago
You're a poor judge of character, then.
My job is to protect the users of v/pizzagate from malicious activity and alert Voat to potential malicious users. He admitted he was actively trying to identify who was coming to his site from Voat by comparing their IP addresses to hacker database information, so I alerted the Admin and put a warning in his submission. We have numerous child rape survivors on our board who fear their identities being exposed.
Because that's what I thought he was claiming. I know very little about technology and to this day do not understand what he is claiming I did. Nor do I really care, because I get accused of ridiculous bullshit here by trolls on a weekly basis. I've been accused of murder, being pedo, being Mossad (my kids got a huge laugh out of that one), being multiple different users. It's all fake and gay.
What situation, exactly?
What feelings? Explanation for what?
You're sitting here making demands and lobbing accusations without a single link to anything. We require evidence, here.
I'm sure Voat will appreciate Paol is threatening to attack a goat for doing his job.
argosciv ago
If I remember correctly, twos claimed that you were, in some way, behind an attempted SQL injection attack, which, most commonly, is intended to breach the site's database and make it spit out details on any user logins or whatever the target data may be.
This is done by placing SQL queries inside input fields that submit to a page(eg: login.php) which passes the input into an SQL query(eg: logging in, which compares username and password fields).
If the system being targeted is not appropriately coded, the SQL injection works. In this case, twos's site is coded properly to not only dump sql injection attempts, but also warn of their occurrence.
So, twos gets alerted to an alleged attempted SQL injection, then proceeds to check his site's google analytics to see the ip addresses of users who have followed links presented on voat.co, to his website.
From the comment you are replying to:
This is a deliberately deceptive statement to make, which preys on the ignorance(lack of knowledge) of onlookers, with regards to web development.
"View source" (and browser inspector/dev tools) only shows the html/css/java of a website which should indeed look "bare bones", but anyone with any amount of knowledge about website development, knows that the bulk of the work and the more powerful functionality is tucked away in the .php (or c/c++/C#/python/ruby, etc) files.
It is in the background and not accessible by the end-user, only those with access to the site's file directory.
To pretend that "View source" gives an accurate reading of how complex a site is or how it might be capturing and utilizing visitor data, is incredibly suspicious.
@PuttItOut @PeaceSeeker @cynabuns @Crensch
SandHog ago
Thanks for the ping.
Vindicator ago
Thanks Argo. Guess that schooling is going pretty well, eh?
argosciv ago
I knew all that beforehand lol. The schooling is boring as fuck re: web dev.
I've learned more in 6 years of fucking around, than I will over the entirety of the course, re: web dev.
Vindicator ago
Yep. That's generally the way it works.
SandHog ago
Kek.
@thewebofslime just go make a post in v/PizzagateMods about how you think things could be improved in v/pizzagate. Start with some straightforward bullet points or something. I'm sure @Vindicator and the other mods will look them over and give you their thoughts. Perhaps some common ground can be achieved and some good can come out of it for everyone.
mimes4peace ago
What is your evidence WoS is a shill?
Vindicator ago
Oh? How about some links?
One of the nice tactics of this fine, upstanding guy you admire so much on some other platform is to make multiple posts in multiple different locations, writing long, wordy monologues (similar to what you just wrote, in fact). He won't keep the conversation in one place, so it makes it very hard to reply. Since I don't know what specifically you find "problematic", I can't really address this.
Since you've only been on Voat for 18 days, though, you probably didn't notice he had a habit of doing this.
SandHog ago
He could have just read all the threads I linked. Meh, whatever. I don't believe that person is arguing in good faith.
Vindicator ago
No. Me either. Shall we deploy the Block feature Kev thinks will save Voat?
mimes4peace ago
Im trying all your suits on. "mimes" "miming"
Vindicator ago
What girl? What are you talking about? Links, please.
mimes4peace ago
If you say so. Its gonne get me downvotes. https://voat.co/v/confessions/3245371 The people who dont like this person cant be quicker to tell everyone about it.
Vindicator ago
Are you pushing the idea these are srayzie? That's not srayzie.
Why would you be pretending that it is if you're here to defend WoS? You realize how bad this makes him look, right?
A lot of people in v/pizzagate really care about srayzie and take the lies being told about her personally. When they see WoS is connected to this, they're definitely going to think he's a bad operator.
NOMOCHOMO ago
thanks for clarifying that. Everyone else is saying it's her.
mimes4peace ago
I "mimed" multiple people. Took on their countenance. It worked because everyone came out of the woodwork to engage.
@kevdude said @srayzie was sending mude pictures to multiple parties. I believe @kevdude is telling the truth.
I believe @thewebofslime is not someone who is going to stop defending his brand and that is something you should reflect on.
A lot of people care about @srayzie because they were manipulated into it but she is blatantly an unstable jewish princess. In the eyes of 99% of viewers she has discredit /v/greatawakening and /v/pizzagate. Shill mission accomplished in most peoples view.
I think @ESOTERICshade is right about you. You made some procedural errors. But like @srayzie and @crensch you refuse to admit a mistake.
I recommend you reflect on how your people started taking pussy pass on credit and turned on honest researchers. @thewebofslime may have a different opinion but my little chart shows him and @kevdude to be very closely aligned.
Stop blaming people for your problems and start fixing your problems.
@zyklon_b is literally part of Voat's immune response by challenging people who are unable to have a sense of humor about themselves because they are the easiest to outrage and WANT TO BE OUTRAGED. People who received naked pictures of @srayzie saw the posted pictures and claimed doxx. Notice @kevdude was first on scene because he was pinged.
Your group was busy taking pussy pass on credit to hunt fake shills when the real shill was under your nose the whole time. At no point did anyone put together the attack that went after webofslime.com and the one on Voat.co immediately after. "Project Earnest Voice" is factually here. Do you think they were or were not part of this recent drama?
I think you are gullible and I think you maliciously labeled webofslime.com a "potential security risk." You either are not smart enough to understand how websites work in which case you should ask someone other than @srayzie what to think or you are malicious against legitimate researchers or both.
Try stepping into other peoples shoes once in a while. @ESOTERICshade and @thewebofslime have both made rational appeals to you. You are the one spurning rational researchers while trying to look rational. That is the gripe. Now your friend @crensch is on a rampage and you can expect /v/Pizzagate to be next. I assume that was the original goal. To break it down until no one cares.
SandHog ago
Hurr durr, I pretended to be a shill and the people who hate shills attacked me! That proves THEY are the ones who are shills!
Go fuck yourself faggot.
Vindicator ago
"My people" know exactly what went down with srayzie, and are watching everyone who is pushing the current trumped-up disinfo campaign against GA and Pizzagate.
You guys' problem is you never learn. You have to post evidence.
Srayzie Skyped with a lot of people, because she was an enthusiastic, caring friend. Those people know what she looks like and the kind things she said and did. They know this is all bullshit.
They are watching who is pushing it. I am watching. And I do not forget.
You can ask ES about that, Slime. Your brand will not recover from your lack of wisdom and your ignorance about who is who around here.
ESOTERICshade ago
@crensch already brned v/pizzagate. He is nothing more than an internet punk and thug. I have not given up on @vindicator because I think he means well. @kevdude is cool. This website is under massive attack right now by trolls. @vindicator and @kevdude are both solid. I support both of them.
Vindicator ago
There is nothing you can do about Crensch...which is what is so glorious.
ESOTERICshade ago
Yes there is. i can walk away. I have stood by you through a lot of shit. I promoted you and supported you. I didn't appreciate the Q nonsense but I withstood it because I believed in you. I never called for you to be removed, because I don't want you to be removed. I took Falcon's head on a stick because I still cared back in those days. I don't care anymore. I don't have to read gutter shit like "gargle bloody nigger cum" from ignorant rednecks like @crensch. You can rest assured that yall can run this shit without me because lately its all just a little sewer. I still like you @vindicator. @crensch is just pure intellectual trash.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Promise?
What do you think of my new archive bonus JPG?
I think I'm going to post this after every single archive comment. Such fun we're going to have.
Want to play?
@Crensch @Vindicator @think- @argosciv @kevdude
ESOTERICshade ago
You're out in left field. It was my ex wife. I divorced her. She got drunk, got mad, and said she would call the police and tell them we had been fighting. I wasn't gonna let that drunk bitch get me in trouble with the law for no reason. After she sobered up she apologized.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa,,,,,,,,
https://files.catbox.moe/kyqbv7.PNG
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
@NOMOCHOMO @gamepwn @bopper @Sandhog @heygeorge
Look what i made. ^
:-D
SandHog ago
Hahaha, nice catch!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
He is such a
slimy creepfine example of manhood, I think it's time that the people of VOAT get to know him better, don't you?SandHog ago
I do and he isn't the only one that the people of Voat should get to know better.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It's a start.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I support this!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Think i should add anything?
NOMOCHOMO ago
naw, I've avoided ES like the plague, but I appreciate the dive it takes to find a juicy comment like that.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
No dive, saw it awhile ago, waited for him to get me good and mad, went and retrieved it.
Moral of story - don't piss me off, please.
NOMOCHOMO ago
*noted.
how close have I ever gotten? and have I ever said anything comparably stupid?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
You're a guy, right?
Not to me, but...
NOMOCHOMO ago
Fair enough. You're enough of a Misandrist that it doesn't trigger me.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Flirt.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Stop trying to honeypot me Srayzie.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
omg
NOMOCHOMO ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3221747/18647729?context=10
same behavior
BOOM BOOM BOOM SHILL VAPORIZED
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Which one?
NOMOCHOMO ago
everyone I disagree with ;)
Crensch ago
/> threatens to do what literally everyone has wanted him to do from the beginning.
Kek.
Vindicator ago
You told me to hang myself from a doorknob, you lying sack of shit.
argosciv ago
Fucking lol. He blames that on drinking.
Maybe that's also why he, as rarepeeks, said he hopes I kill myself, but then tried to act like that never happened and 'make peace' with me (minus any form of apology) after the attempt to have me isolated and downvote brigaded into negatives failed...
@Crensch
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Gawd, could you get any more narcissistic?
Seriously, get some help dude.
Crensch ago
It's not surprising that a guy constantly attacked and maligned by these bad actors would want to pipe up about those personal attacks. Everyone else is fine going after the other facets that are more generalized because they weren't psyoped into isolation for months.
It's true that our enemies hate him.
Can you at least let him be another target for them even if you think he won't help us?
think- ago
Why should @shewhomustbeobeyed back off?
It doesn't matter that our enemies hate him.
She and me are both here to fight satanists. Maybe you forgot.
His self-pity is abominable.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I'm not out to get @argosciv
My opinion of him has not changed much since he got here.
His pity-parties are really too much to stomach.
Do you know any man IRL that acts like he does?
Shameful.
think- ago
No, I don't know any satanist crybabies in rl.
Maybe the human blood he consumes fucks with his brain. /s
Crensch ago
I asked. I didn't say she should.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I shared my opinion, he needs help.
ESOTERICshade ago
If I said that you, I apologize. I didn't mean it. Maybe I was drinking :/ You pissed me off with the Q thing, other than that, i'm fine with you. Q is fucking dead and has been dead for months. Nothing left of Q but its rotting carcass. Move forward. I won't hold a grudge because the burden would be on me, and I refuse to carry it.
Vindicator ago
Q is alive and well, unfortunately for you. Trump just declassified the FISA documents exactly as Q promised. We'll be seeing stuff coming out on Comey soon, and also the IG report. I will be sure to send you popcorn so you can salt it for me.
ESOTERICshade ago
Okey dokee. This is the same thing people said about the last IG report. It was a huge nothing burger. The IG comes from the deep state, and the deep state won't sink it's own iceberg. When you gonna figger that out?
SandHog ago
How about you guys go fuck yourselves. I know what you are trying to do and it isn't happening. v/Pizzagate is a research sub and not a trophy for webofslime to appropriate and leverage for his own personal gain.
@PuttItOut these faggots from Poal are actively trying to subvert your site and are taking advantage of the chaos caused by 'zyklon_b' in an attempt to do so.
mimes4peace ago
You claim @thewebofslime is trying to take over the subverse. Im not seeing where it says that anywhere. Lets ask him.
Maybe take a stab at answering the questions and evidence?
SandHog ago
Why bother? We've discussed this stuff to death and his sticking point has always been and still is that @Vindicator is compromised which is complete bullshit. If he was compromised all the stuff I have shared with him regarding a certain situation would have been leaked and I would have seen evidence of that happening. That has never happened.
@thewebofslime could have chosen to try working with those guys in an effort to find common ground in a way that benefited everyone but he didn't do that. He did the opposite of that. He is still doing the opposite of that and I'm not wasting any more time on it. If he really wanted to do what he says he does then he would try working with the v/pizzagate mods and not against them. The problem is that the way he approached things built up a ton of distrust on both sides. Maybe it's possible for both parties to hit the reset button and start over from scratch. I don't know. I'm not either one of them.
mimes4peace ago
Clearly @vindicator who is the one insisting that @thewebofslime is compromised. tO me you have that reversed.
SandHog ago
Maybe because neither of them are shills, dummy. I absolutely know that @Vindicator isn't. And I don't know that @webofslime really is, either. I do think his ego is too big and he is being a manipulative fucker for reasons that aren't completely clear to me. Maybe if he tried approaching the situation differently and was honest about what his intentions are and what it is he wants to achieve things could get resolved between them. Problem is that his actions thus far have already built so much distrust I don't know that they can be resolved. I know that he has eroded a great deal of trust that I had in him at the beginning and I started out defending him.
mimes4peace ago
I'm with you on they could both not be shills. Maybe you missed what I already said about it. But Vindicator made an ultimatum that Wos was a shill. Do you see the problem? The OP is willing to say that it could just be bad behavior. Right? Vindicator has not backed down. Why the ultimatum? Also there is the fact that there are shills somewhere and it seems like people should be working together to find them.
HOWEVER. The people claiming to find them were incorrect. If they "FOUND" WoS who you yourself say is not a shill. It sounds to me like you are drinking the KoolAid of the accusers. If WoS is not a shill then Vindicator Srayzie Shizy etc were wrong.
How would you react if these same people spent everyday making sure your comments and submissions were downvoted and added insults to boot?
I charted out a number of users based on a few things to compare political alignments. I dont see evidence that @ESOTERICshade is other than what he says. I didnt go far back enough to know if the other stuff was true or not but my question is if this person is a paid shill or not. Sure emotional people can make accounts and spread chaos. Im looking at an issue that is bigger than just Voat. I noticed you and think- were into wildlife.
Having public voting as an option or setting for each subreddit subverse etc might be the best solutions for highly targeted communities.
If Vindicator made an ultimatum that WoS was a shill then participated in shill behavior with other moderators then who really looks like the shill when WoS speaks up about it? I really dont think your position is based on anything other than your emotional attachment to the others who were criticising WoS. Maybe you can change my mind.
But I think we can all agree that there is a bigger picture issue here.
SandHog ago
I really don't care what you think random person from Poal. WoS can go make a post in v/Pizzagate mods and state point by point how he thinks pizzagate could be improved. Maybe something positive will come from that. Maybe not. That is my advice.
mimes4peace ago
There are two examples of that already happening.
Crensch ago
Check the /v/pizzagate sticky. It's all there in black and white.
ESOTERICshade ago
My political alignments are NONE of your goddamned business. You are not the Voat police. fuck you.
Crensch ago
Mmmm, salt.
Maggotbait88 ago
$0.86 will get you 26 ounces of table salt. A grain of salt is about 0.0000585 grams or 0.000002064 ounces. That's somewhere around 12,596,900 grains of salt. If you really wanted to splurge, you could spend an extra $0.14 to get another 1,900,000 grains to take you up to an exhilarating 14,500,000 grains of salt. Just imagine how much fun you could have with almost 15 million grains of salt. You could put some in your neighbor's car's gas tank. You could put some in your own gas tank. You could even pour some into a water bottle and drink it to pretend you're lost at sea and can only drink salt water. The possibilities are as endless as the number of grains of salt you have.
ESOTERICshade ago
ESOTERICshade ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock. @crensch
Damn. Another reminder why I have migrated out of this wasteland. "gargling bloody nigger cock". Really? Voat is fucked if this the best we got. @puttitiout, if you really care about this venture my best suggestion is getting rid of the cancer, that would be @crensch
I can't even wrap words around that "gargling bloody nigger cock"
@vindicator, I used to have more respect for you,but..mmmmmmm
Vindicator ago
LOL. Sure you did.
ESOTERICshade ago
Disagree with the mods and get stalked. How many people has crensch made threads about now? Three or four? Free speech is a fucking joke around this place. Geez, I wonder why so many people left? Vindicator >>> "People are using free speech to squelch free speech"
ROFLMAO...translation >>> "people disagree with me" .....
Vindicator ago
You're the pussy that hides behind alts to push your views when you can't get your way.
ESOTERICshade ago
I am trying to make peace with you. We are on the same team. We just lost srayzie, a good friend of mine, so lets just move forward.
Vindicator ago
There is no peace without Justice, ES, and you have paid nothing for your predation of v/pizzagate. Until Justice is served, you will get no peace from me.
ESOTERICshade ago
We should both be happy. v/pizzagate still exists BECAUSE I MADE DAMN SURE it would survive. Now, its your job to keep it alive. We both won. You almost made a drastic mistake. We both win. Drop the hammer. I helped you out. Hitting a brick wall ain't funny. I kept us from hitting it. Pull yur britches up, and lets go :)
Vindicator ago
Askin' me to make some Q posts, eh?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@Vindicator please please don't(at least don't do it flippantly).
we disagree about Q. Whatever.
But don't make A Q post out of spite or in response to anything but relevancy to Pizzagate.
whether this is a brigade or civil war, let's keep Pizzagate as focused as possible.
I'm just saying a Q post in the midst of this battle for Q sub supremacy will only bring unrelated turmoil
@shewhomustbeobeyed
Crensch ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock.
Vindicator ago
There's probably one already made, since his uncle is a Senator.
think- ago
No, he didn't. That was a lie. OP said @Vindicator deleted a post OP made on v/pizzagatewhatever.
http://archive.fo/p6yAg
This is the banlog for that sub -
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/about/log/submission
The last post that got deleted there was submiteted 1.1 years ago.
The discussion thewebofslime mentions in his OP happened two months ago.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/3129367
http://archive.fo/HdezV
@Vindicator @Crensch @kevdude @shewhomustbeobeyed @SandHog
I told him to contact PuttItOut, instead of smearing @Vindicator without any proof.
But apparently he never did.
mimes4peace ago
Link me the post in /v/pizzagatewhatever
You also answered none of the questions. Care to take a stab at any of them?
The fallacy being that one piece of minutiae does not do anything for the dishonesty on the part of @Vindicator
NOMOCHOMO ago
fuck that.
@Vindicator's falsehood can be chalked up to technical incompetence.
Claiming that a mod removed your post without any evidence seems far more egregious of a lie.
mimes4peace ago
I haven;t seen it. Im looking.
NOMOCHOMO ago
it's marked "potential security risk"
if the owner admits he's cross referencing individual ip addresses that have accessed his site, to determine their identity, it is a potential security risk.
@thewebofslime also repeatedly says he will "fill in the blanks" to me that is easily interpreted as a veiled threat to reveal the IP addresses.
that's why you always use a burner device boyos.
mimes4peace ago
He is asking to fill in the blanks. There is a difference. Any owner would cross reference a security threat and fellow site owners would want to know about it to block the IPs. It is standard to share this information. I checked there are definitely hostile IPs in the list that are known. You can check yourself. Why wouldnt site admin here know about someone here who was doing bash attacks? Voat went down immediately after. Same attack? No one is asking whats up? Lets all ignore it?
NOMOCHOMO ago
proof of that claim?
I do think that's a fair question/concern
mimes4peace ago
Its only in conversation that I found. You know how to search for a sticky about technical issues?
NOMOCHOMO ago
a link to that conversation would be a start.
you could use searchvoat to search for posts on that day or the day after to find confirmation of a voat outage.
also if there are significantly fewer posts that day, it's an indication the site was down
mimes4peace ago
In the previous comment from /v/Pizzagatewhatever
Sometime between 3/30/2019 10:11:46 AM and 3/31/2019 6:50:26 PM
NOMOCHOMO ago
who made that comment? Can you find independent confirmation that is not WoS
mimes4peace ago
It is WoS. I saw someone mention there was a sticky but cant remember who. But if I knew where to search for that between those times then should be easy. Or find similar comments.
NOMOCHOMO ago
searchvoat.co
mimes4peace ago
Found it. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3130748
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
What am i looking for?
NOMOCHOMO ago
nothing, this just at least partially verifies WoS narrative that voat went down after his initial post claiming his site was probed/accusing Vindicator.
it doesn't prove anything, just a true data point in the WoS vs Vin debacle.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
The egos of some men, ffs.
This is why i disregarded his complaint the first time. As you know, VOAT is being worked on, and to think that this is all that would happen if he was really being fucked with.
Nonsense and shear jealousy, imo.
Too bad, i liked WoS, until he got all goofy.
NOMOCHOMO ago
agree
agree
disagree. To say he isn't being harassed enough isn't fair. A temporary shutdown can kill posting and commenting momentum. It gives time for a counter narrative to be hatched before the information is disseminated too far.
buttttt It's also illogical to assume the two are directly connected unless timestamps make sense. Even then correlation =/= causation
I will still cautiously follow @thewebofslime, but my trust is shattered re: his claim that Vin removed his post from pgwhatever.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I never doubted that @thewebofslime was under attack. I just couldn't make the jump to blaming @Vindicator.
I do miss Wos POV, just not the paranoia. Got plenty of that on my own, thankUverymuch.
mimes4peace ago
My brain cells are dying. I think Ive got my head around it. Always takes me a good sleep to process info. So far I think a public voting option for subs that only is revealed when archived is the best solution.
NOMOCHOMO ago
idk if after archiving is necessary.
I think the claims that it will increase tension are irrelevant.
the tension will be the revelation of shills and their exposure. I dont want to wait weeks to find out I'm being brigaded
NOMOCHOMO ago
so does its official sponsor PIA. I still am undecided about their legitimacy (as a user using one of the free month passes)
TLDR: (((Virtual))) Private Networks < Phsyical Device Obscurity
mimes4peace ago
Yes. This is what I would like to know. It looks to me that there is a legitimate shill presence from QinetiQ and it isn't just at Voat. There can only be a handful of people who it could be and that person is probably on other sites. There are probably several in a group. It shouldnt be that hard to figure out. Doesnt everyone want to know who it is?
NOMOCHOMO ago
see parent
@shewhomustbeobeyed @think-
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
@thewebofslime's submission is something that i do not understand.
I don't do email, facebook, twit, none of them. so none of this applies to me.
He doesn't seem to do techtard explanations so i don't follow him. Nobody has explained any of this to me.
Vindicator ago
Like what?
He's making all kinds of claims about me, but that didn't raise your eyebrow enough to investigate?
This fucker makes posts here to lure people to his website, where he admits he captures their IPs and then compares them to hacker lists of data breaches so he can find out their RL identity. He bragged about it.
Does that not meet your definition of doxing?
Is that the kind of "free speech" you want to be seen protecting?
Open your eyes. Voat is falling, too. It may be falling differently, but it is definitely falling. You are blinded by "Reddit". It's all you can see.
No. I think I am entitled to justice. Reddit is fucked because it's unjust. Voat is becoming unjust. That is why your insulting, dismissive little labels like "safe space" are being laughed off and getting no traction with me, @Crensch and many others.
Maybe that is why you don't know who the Shareblue destroyers tearing up this place and attacking it's inhabitants are and think it's interesting and perfectly fine to sit around and have beers with them.
You've worked hard to make Voat great. You are widely respected for that. You are a leader. But with that status comes responsibility and culpability. Your hands-off, just-ignore attitude sets a standard that emboldens the predators and demoralizes the rest of us. It's unjust.
NOMOCHOMO ago
hahahaha. k that was pretty good.
NOMOCHOMO ago
quickly unstickies as comments rise to above 200
Vindicator ago
And that perfectly sums up the larger situation we find ourselves in that led to this whole entire shitshow. It's no big deal to allow people to get pissed on, defamed, and force them to watch Voat rule-breakers dance about without so much as a badge of shame, especially if they are fool enough to serve as mods. It's not the carping of the trolls that breaks people down. It's being thrown under the bus by the supposed thought leaders standing at their podiums lecturing about principles and unintended consequences.
That's why you've got good people being run down by packs of hyenas and deleting their accounts. That's why you've got @Crensch declaring martial law in his county.
Of course he used me as an example. The briefest look at his comment history with me would show you instantly that he is 100% shill, here to exploit Voat to push his website under the auspices of pizzagate. He is actively trying to get me demodded. He advocates doxxing. He tried to get pizzagaters to harass MSM people he doxxed and to dox themselves by reporting people to the IRS.
The fact that you are allowing him to sit in your livingroom and chat over tea is irresponsible and disgusting. In fact, it borders on corruption. You are letting predators roam free in a place where people are supposed to be able to come to protect Voat. All while pontificating about how Crensch and MolochHunter are ruining Voat.
You need to take a good, long look in the mirror.
You're Goddamn right I don't. Thank you for saying so.
NOMOCHOMO ago
@vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed
I think this is an interesting perspective on this too.
I treat everybody as possible sources of information, whether legit or shills.
Vindicator ago
Oh, it's even worse than that slip. He just said:
and
Amalek, aka ArmySeer the Amalek-busting guy who tried to label all of our best early researchers as Amalek alts being pushed by Russians, ran his psyop out of that very subverse: v/PizzagateShills.
LMAO..."Illuminati confirmed". Fuck. This is one of the worst weeks I've had in this hellhole, but that is hilarious.
Someone good at math should calculate the odds of these two comments in the context of this thread being a coincidence. Ho Lee Shit.
NOMOCHOMO ago
sigh
@puttitout can you just make my voat history public so I can stop being falsely accused?
I can already tell this retarded boomer is going to try to accuse me of being somebody else...
@shewhomustbeobeyed
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I doubt Putt will. I don't recall ever seeing him step in to help people prove themselves.
I'm afraid this is my fault, I'm sorry.
NOMOCHOMO ago
how is it your fault?
SandHog ago
Damn.
NOMOCHOMO ago
BOOM THIS IS A HAPPENING
SandHog ago
Haha, busted!
Vindicator ago
How have I betrayed my principles, Kev?
I am not mad at you, Kev. I am disgusted at watching evildoers use the law to cause harm and get away with it and those trying to do good things who are attacked by them resort to breaking the law to defend themselves and be crucified for it.
As I said at the beginning of the conversation: How many mostly good contributors have to be destroyed or driven off before Voat takes this seriously? All of them?
You stickied this thread full of lies about me, and just lectured me about betraying my principles when I have done no such thing. What are the consequences of that? Break my spirit? Legitimize the shills and amplify their lies? Unintended?
In my shoes, what would you be thinking?
NOMOCHOMO ago
Free speech benefits us all. I agree that a censorship framework is bad. I also happen to think that Mods can enforce soft censorship frameworks (things like forum sliding)
then stop replying and defending soft censorship, and I will.
NOMOCHOMO ago
we disagree over the stickies, but I completely agree with this sentiment.
Vindicator ago
It is not clear to me what Nomo is, Kev. He showed up just as we exposed all of ES's alts. Initially we thought he was one of them, due to his defense of that fucker and the manner in which he made his first submissions and attacked subverse moderation. Then a user I trust who knew his research from another site was able to show that he did indeed have an identity on that other site. We agreed to suspend our initial judgement of his conduct and let him prove he was not an alt of ES. Things have gone smoothly for months, until @Argosciv called him out for "Voat compromised" concern trolling in Putt's VPN thread.
Now, here he is, attacking the moderation of PG at a moment in time where is looks as if there might be a real chance of getting moderators removed from PG and GA.
I am torn. He is an uncommonly good researcher who seems to have an uncanny ability to dig up fresh material on elite corruption, but he also seems eager to reduce the shill exposure in PG.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I just dont want it cluttering up a subreddit that was devoted to exposing elite corruption.
now it's devolved to exposing voater corruption
Vindicator ago
A) It's not a subreddit.
B) "Voater corruption" is elite corruption, because these fuckers send people to disrupt our investigation with false narratives, deadends, division and discouragement. The fact you want to handwave that reality away and make as if it's not happening and that exposing it somehow hampers the investigation is...well, it's sick, Nomo. That position literally puts you among their allies, whether you actually sit in a cubicle in DC next to EsotericShade, or not.
NOMOCHOMO ago
fuck that's embarassing
We agree. But to say that "The Elite" are the trolls/shills is like saying "The Russians" hacked the election. You still need to provide direct proof the two are linked.
I don't. It should be devoted to it's own sub. Maybe v/PizzagateShills. I'm even fine with you putting a link to it in the sidebar and including reference to it in the sub rules. I don't like it distracting from new research.
am I amalek too? Just because I share the opinion of a person on a particular topic does not make me an "ally".
Are you allied with Muslims because they are also MonoTheists?
NOMOCHOMO ago
Double down then.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Nope. I said they slid research down the page and have repeatedly cited the Cryptome definition.
I moved the "goalpots" by refusing to accept your "implied" "off the page" counter-definition?
NOMOCHOMO ago
....you are embodying @thewebofslimes point
NOMOCHOMO ago
So the same thing she's retiring over, she did to another user (albeit a user who was harassing her)
NOMOCHOMO ago
What are we talking about in the top comment of this thread?
You're the one that jumped in to defend Pizzagate stickies.
And now you're pretending to be a disinterested party?
ExpertShitposter ago
Slippery slope me frien.
CognitiveDissident5 ago
because it's accurate
inthemickoftime ago
Because it's right.
gabara ago
It doesn't have to be this way @crensch and @kosherhivekicker
KosherHiveKicker ago
Who instigated all off this again?
The crew of Weabo fags that orbit you who decided to conspire and attack specific Goats.
Shizy ago
Well said. They all seem to forget who goes around starting this shit.
Don't play victims now, you fucking. Jews!
gabara ago
So you're going to step right over the bodys @srayzie left behind: https://www.voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3248320/18906348 @expertshitposter
KosherHiveKicker ago
Thanks for admitting that you, and you crew of Brony_Fags conspired and coordinated the events of this past week.
gabara ago
If you're faking confessions like that, you lose all credibility there kiddo.
KosherHiveKicker ago
There are literally threads in SBBH that advocate for, and detail the targeted attacks right?
ExpertShitposter ago
I deny everything! @gabara
gabara ago
Why would he advertise that he's a Jew that kicks over bee hives?
ExpertShitposter ago
(((tricks)))
gabara ago
He's sperging out on v/ProtectVoat right now, shitposting there. It's crensch's new friend so makes C look bad since C thinks we're resonible for Z.
gabara ago
What does that have to do with me?
KosherHiveKicker ago
Oh! My Mistake
What do you plan on doing to address the reddit-esque brigaders conspiring to attack Voaters from the subverse you own?
gabara ago
It's Putts call and he banned triggly. That makes your argument invalid.
KosherHiveKicker ago
...and then unbanned them. Right?
gabara ago
Take it up with @PuttItOut then. It's his circus so it's his monkeys. For the record while all that was going on I demodded Triggly and Zyklon and banned them from SBBH at one point. Then Putt stepped in and I left it in his hands. Now enough White Knighting for one day!
KosherHiveKicker ago
...or I could just keep telling the truth about you, and the "The Church Of Elder Brony_Fags" who collude in SBBH.
gabara ago
Go back to High School, kiddo. And stop wussifying my friend @Crensch. You got your ass politely handed to you by me in this thread.
KosherHiveKicker ago
Typical Tricks Shlomo ... declares himself the "winner".
gabara ago
That's actually what you just did after being pinned down and soundly defeated. This is why we hate you.
KosherHiveKicker ago
The only thing you can pin down are the kids you lure into your home to "watch Ren and Stimpy".
Brony Pedo-Jew gonna Brony Pedo-Jew
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gabara ago
Rent free.
KosherHiveKicker ago
Typical Pedo-Jew ... bragging about his parasitic "empire" gained via parasitic exploitation of Federal Welfare programs
drstrangegov ago
Dude....@gabara has the palest skin I've ever seen indicating Irish (or sumthin) ancestry. I suspect he's even a ginger kid.
KosherHiveKicker ago
Isn't one of the tribes supposed to consider of Albino Nigger-Jews (aka "Gingers")?
drstrangegov ago
Esau was a man of the outdoors. Jacob was the sneaky indoor cat that founded the tribe of Israel.
KatHarzso ago
Oy meow, what do you have against cats, eh?
CerealBrain ago
You do know Zyklon is a Jew right?
gabara ago
Actually I have his name and photo and he's a full on white dude. A lot of people on Voat have this information so you making that accusation about @Zyklon_B just makes YOU look like a Jew, not him.
zyklon_b ago
post my pic and show em
drstrangegov ago
is that an apple watch? dude you don't want one of those things they can track your biometrics location etc. they can even use algorithms to guess what you are doing based upon movements with movement sensors. its the ultimate spy device.
gabara ago
@CerealBrain That's Z on the left: https://i.imgtc.ws/rNaupoT.jpg Now what?
CerealBrain ago
I gotta pic of me and Taylor Swift, wanna see?
gabara ago
@Zyklon_B and I have already seen it: https://i.imgtc.ws/P23G995.jpg
CerealBrain ago
Had that pic handy eh?
gabara ago
It's called Google Image Search. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!
CerealBrain ago
Prove that is Zyklon in the pic or shut the fuck up.
Let's see his babe too.
Gothamgirl ago
Why is it that you want to add me to your Qcult kill list? 🤣😂
CerealBrain ago
I just don't know why we can't work something out.
I told you what I drive and what I do, if you pm me I will send a photo.
And I have told you that I would treat you like a queen.
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zyklon_b ago
doxxing @kosherhivekicker
CerealBrain ago
You're a pussy.
zyklon_b ago
1990
he will not post his pic n its crensch alt
gabara ago
Ok @CerealBrain, let's see your photo or are you Israeli?
CerealBrain ago
He's a crypto jew, does the Jews' bidding. Degenerate druggie who loves to sound like a nigger and trashed his babe.
gabara ago
So you have moved the goal posts. My victory remains intact and there is nothing more I need to gain from this exchange. Good day, sir.
CerealBrain ago
Pay heed..
gabara ago
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!
CerealBrain ago
Block me like the pussy you are, like Gotham did, Zyklon's alt.
zyklon_b ago
its fat ass crensch what a kike
CerealBrain ago
Yeah it's Crensch.
CerealBrain ago
If you hang with those kikes you're guilty faggot.
gabara ago
See https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3249228/18909941
NOMOCHOMO ago
https://files.catbox.moe/f9qxql.jpg
this is the mobile view: 3 stickied posts take up the entirety of the screen.
NOMOCHOMO ago
imply
I'm not implying anything. every day THAT I visit Voat, I have to scroll on mobile to get past your forum slides.
Vindicator ago
@Crensch has said from the beginning, Nomo, that we would take that sticky down the minute @ESOTERICshade deletes his alts and his main account.
@Kevdude made clear that Voat free speech principles mean we are not allowed to ban him, since his lies, brigading, demands that users kill themselves, and other consensus cracking bullshit was all done in Comments. He ought to have received a sitewide ban from Putt for it, but for whatever reason, he has not.
@shewhomustbeobeyed has had many discussions with ES about deleting his accounts so that we could take the sticky down.
Claiming we are "forum sliding" by leaving it up just continues to further Esoteric's bullshit.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Thank you for the ping.
This is the problem. The users don't want the sticky.
The unintended side effect for me is that I skip all stickies, out of habit. Have to remind myself that there might be something new up with the two old ones.
He won't do it. Like other bad actors around here, he likes the attention and drama. Such a hommo.
The end results are the same, aren't they?
@NOMOCHOMO
ESOTERICshade ago
I'm the reason v/pizzagate is not just another Qanon sub. Get a grip.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Such a homo.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I never considered that all the mods I dislike were prissy fags
but it does explain their behavior.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
What makes me so mad is that we already know that @esotericshade predates on women, almost exclusively.
Yet leaving that sticky up gives him ammunition to use for pity points with the same
stupidover-emotional women.@Vindicator @Crensch @think- @kevdude
ESOTERICshade ago
You need to prove that. That bullshit got started because I felt sorry for Amy when her life got threatened. She was scared. She was having a hard time in life. I sent her some money because I had more money than I need. From that one random act of kindness, yall started that narrative. That is what I get for being kind to a fellow voater huh?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Fuck off, Liar.
think- ago
When I look around, I only see males sucking his dick currently. And vice versa.
But you're right, he has been targeting women, and some stuff he did to them was so bad we couldn't put it on the public thread, in order to protect them.
@bopper @NOMOCHOMO
bopper ago
@think- Thanks for this, sounds like I have some catching up to do..
think- ago
Definitely. :-/
Hope you are fine otherwise.
bopper ago
Yes, so-so, and hope the same for you..
think- ago
Thanks, I'm fine. :-)
NOMOCHOMO ago
So the permanent post on pizzagate memorializes our biggest troll?
Shouldn't we be giving him less attention?
He won because Mods literally put him on a pedestal.
And those of us that want that pedestal turn down therefore support him?
@kevdude @crensch @vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed
think- ago
I suggest to discuss this elsewhere.
No, he didn't win. He more or less left the sub.
The reason why @Crensch left the sticky up is that newbies will see the warning.
Like @shewhomustbeobeyed said, he mainly targets female users, and has been grooming them, with malicious intent.
@crensch @vindicator @kevdude
NOMOCHOMO ago
yet his sticky is the newbies introduction to pizzagate. So his legacy is perpetuated by Mods, not him.
he may have left, but he poisoned the well. The focus should be research, not infighting
think- ago
You really should put an 'edit' in front of all lines you edited in later, Nomochomo.
Strawman argument, because I never said women are weaker.
It's a fact that he specifically targets women.
On v/pizzagatgemods.
@crensch @vindicator @shewhomustbeobeyed @kevdude @sandhog
NOMOCHOMO ago
Bullshit.
so why is that relevant?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Well I guess it isn't to be discussed in the 'protectvoat' sub.
Maybe PGmods, IDK.
As long as it stays off the PG sub, I'm happy.
NOMOCHOMO ago
ditto
think- ago
Which part of 'he targeted female users, groomed them, and harmed them' didn't you understand?
Yes, with the friendly help of users who didn't care about what he did.
We can discuss the sticky some time, but I won't give a post more traction that targets the Pizzagate mods, and spreads lies about them.
Have a nice day.
@shewhomustbeobeyed @Vindicator @Crensch @SandHog @kevdude
NOMOCHOMO ago
the part where the victimization of Adult Females is relevant to Elite Pedophilia.
same reason I call out #MeToo. It pivoted attention from the abuse of children.
@shewhomustbeobeyed has weathered a ton of abuse, but she rightly keeps personal drama, off of the main sub.
detail exactly what "lies" have been told, as well as documentation.
Ok. Out of the lockstep crew you are the Softest Censor.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I don't believe this. @think- is as protective of the PG sub as I am, probably more.
She was a mod, she has been violently abused by everyone but me.
I have never seen a more ferocious defender of the adult victims that come here.
I love her.
NOMOCHOMO ago
fair, and I appreciate your opinion.
IMO think- cucked to Q anon crew, and now only serves to legitimize them (ie: we have our differences, but abusive Mods are still my friends)
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It does take focus away, imo. I have always thought it belonged on PG mods.
But I'm only one person, who respectfully asked for it to be taken to pgmods.
Everybody else YELLS at the mods and DEMANDS to have things their way. Maybe if more people asked nicely, the mod team wouldn't feel so abused. They are human, and have feelings. IDK, the thing I like most about you is your debate style, sometimes you don't need to engage it so quickly. Sometimes you actually make me look nice. =)
NOMOCHOMO ago
Very good advice, and I know it's something I need to temper
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
xoxo
think- ago
xoxo ;-)
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I sure does seem that way.
I asked for the sticky to be taken down last year.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Kek
#METOO
Not being privy, I can only assume. Pretty bad, is it?
ESOTERICshade ago
Before Q came along you pretty much just kept your mouth shut and did your job. After Q, you fucking lost it bro. Get it together, do your job, and stop participating in the drama. Q is fucking dead, and has been dead a lonnnggg time. Gitmo or bust! If the Q community had reasonable and well defined goals and objectives I would pitch in and help too. "trust the plan, Gitmo! taking down the deep state" is undefined, unreasonable, unspecified, and has no plan. Its a circle jerk of nothingness that sits in one place and spins it wheels. You got hoodwinked and the sooner you admit it to yourself and move on, the happier you will be. That is all, bro :)
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Says the liar.
ESOTERICshade ago
Attacked by yet another Qbee. yawn......
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Keep lying, faggot.
ESOTERICshade ago
The Q phenom was probably started by Cicada 3301. From there it got taken over by a bunch of t shirt selling grifters. And now, it has been weaponized and co-opted by intelligence agencies. It is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE threat to Voat. I'm sorry if you can't see that.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Stay clueless, dipshit.
ESOTERICshade ago
Otay Buckwheat!
https://files.catbox.moe/vhsv6p.gif
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Gee, thanks ES!
ESOTERICshade ago
Just shows you how old I am. A lot of people that were kids when the "Little Rascals" was on TV are dead now....
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Robert Blake is still alive, isn't he?
NOMOCHOMO ago
While you all have your guns pulled out at each other in a standoff, the rest of us are held hostage and afraid we're going to get hit by a stray bullet.
and you can never prove he's deleted all of his alts. so your point is moot.
ESOTERICshade ago
When I was in pharma sales my boss told me this: >>> "You are not the product, the product itself is the product. You job is to be odorless, tastless, and let the product itself be what it is"
The mods have gone rogue. Good thing i'm not Putt, because if I was, I would STRIP them all and start over. I'm not sure if I mean that...but I would strip the power mods for sure.
NOMOCHOMO ago
does it slide research posts further down?
yes or no?
a slide is a slide is a slide.
ESOTERICshade ago
This is the thread that never stops giving. @think- is smart as all hell, a very sharp axe.
@vindicator is the dull axe that just can't seem to get a grasp on it, but I think he means well, but holy shit, he ain't that sharp.
NOMOCHOMO ago
So the solution is for the moderators to forum slide by sticky-ing a "warning" post?
(which thereby literally forum slides the research posts further down)
SandHog ago
I like how you didn't bother to include any of the many threads you made regarding this so I did it for you. I'm probably missing one or two threads because when you started this stuff the first time you made a bunch of them all over the place all around the same time which made it difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to follow what was going on.
You also appear to have taken some bad advice from someone you shouldn't have. I asked you about that, remember? I defended you when all of this started. I waited to see your evidence and the evidence you presented did not support your claim.
Not to mention that before you had even gathered your evidence you ran around on reddit, 4chan and probably other places saying that v/pizzagate was compromised. This was before you had even arrived at any conclusions. Those are not the actions of and honest person. And here you are again. I don't know what your obsession with the v/pizzagate sub is but it's clear that you are trying to get the mods tossed out for no good reason. If you want your own pizzagate sub then fucking make one. You can link to all the archived stuff to your hearts content but it is clear to me that your purpose here is to depose the moderators of v/pizzagate.
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3126226
https://voat.co/v/thewebofslime/3125824
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3128558
https://voat.co/v/realProtectVoat/3128339
https://voat.co/v/thewebofslime/3125835
@kevdude
thewebofslime ago
I am focusing on the behavior of the mods in question which is, obviously, exposed to a lot of people, at this point. I didn't post a bunch of links because I am not in the position to focus for more than a few minutes at a time, in my current situation.
If you want a detailed explanation of the technical details, I can work on that, but it isn't really the point. The point is the psychological cycle is clear.
/v/Pizzagate operates as a limited hangout and it is dying. It's momentum is dying. Look at the numbers. That is a fact. Whether by design or ineptitude, /v/Pizzagate is compromised. Full stop.
I know what is going on and I attempted to have a rational conversation about it just before I had a family member shot in combat. I'm sorry if that interferes with everyone's drama, but I see no reason to participate when I read that this happens to users at /v/Pizzagate all the time and it has been continuing for two years. It is out of hand and.. as I've said elsewhere... If you make an enemy everyday, then, one day, all you will have are enemies. That is what the mods were doing.
You asked if I would show you my PMs and I declined. @think- admitted to it, anyways, so what more proof do you need? An admission is good enough for a court of law.
Presenting evidence and asking questions is how people come to conclusions. That is the whole point of posting things on the Internet... to acquire different points of view.
False. I just want the mods to stop harassing users and start harassing pedophiles and stop attacking people and being constant concern trolls. When I came back after being gone for a bit, they had all practically self-destructed. How is that my fault? I have stated many times that I would like to see /v/Pizzagate focus less on reverse concern trolling and more on getting good information out into the world.
The truth is that, after all of this drama, people are readily able to see what they've been doing; playing the victim card, pinging everyone to downvote who and what they don't like, making a constant stream of insults and doing it all day in such a way that it is mind boggling that they would not be shills.
No. This was when my lawyer and my cousin were telling me not to say a word about anything so that we could understand the legal ramifications, first. This was a way to smoke out any of the other people who were sending me PMs to see who would stick to their original words and who would be liars. Ironically, @think- is the only one who was honest, but he follows the herd in the pinging, downvoting and insulting.
@Vindicator lied repeatedly. He lied and said I was acting like a David Brock shill. He lied and said I was a sleeper shill. He lied and said I accused him of DDoS'ing me today. So now what? Who do you believe? Someone who is factually lying? Or me who is just stating the obvious about the behavior? The people who are doing exactly what I described in this post? Or me who hasn't posted anything but a little guitar playing and has laid off politics almost completely?
The question is why are these people acting like this and how have they gone for so long without realizing that it is counterproductive?
The answer is simple. They are hopelessly immature or they are doing it on purpose. Given recent circumstances, I'd say the latter.
Let me ask you:
Do you think it is productive for a group of mods to spend all day making accusations, insults and downvote brigading?
Do you think the moderators would have been better off if they hadn't spent the last two years doing that and, instead, focused on getting the message out?
Will you include the thread I made about how to counteract David Brock in your post? Because that is where this all started, for me.
If mods can't change their behavior, then I see no reason they should be around. My preference, which I've stated many times, is that they focus their efforts on helping the community gain momentum outside of Voat. Instead, you have a dying /v/Pizzagate sub and a /v/GreatAwakening sub that no one finds credible, anymore, except for the core members.
I am calling out the behavior.
If any of you sincerely wanted to know the truth about who was doing dirt, at least one of you would have taken my suggestion and downloaded the databases with everyone's doxx to know the truth. Notice how nobody has done that. Notice how nobody has even bothered to verify what I am saying.
I have explained dozens of times that I just want the witch hunts to end. That is all. I didn't like before I was the recipient. I didn't like it when I was the recipient. And, now, you have a real world example of what that idiot behavior results in.
So go ahead... defend the behavior. Assign a fake agenda to me. Watch me disappear from Voat again, tomorrow, and try to figure out what I am doing, exactly, that is going to get anyone deposed. They are already doing a fine job, themselves. Do you disagree? What more can I do that they haven't already done?
My call to action is to stop the witch hunts. Does that make me a bad guy?
I just want to pump out the truth to counteract the media machine. Does that make me a bad guy? Why do I deserve to be doxxed, attacked, insulted, harassed with gay porn in my inbox? It's okay when it happens to me, but don't dare touch the instigator, right? And what do I do when it happens to me? I make the smart choice.
Imagine the irony of you acting like I posted this everywhere like a chicken with its head cut off, when that is exactly what the problem mods are doing with all the drama? Your double standard is curious and you should reflect on it.
Fuck me for defending myself, right?
SandHog ago
I think it's dying due to lack of interest and people participating. There are only a small number of users that go there these days. People get burnt out on that stuff. I know I did and stepped away recently. It's not something that you can submerge yourself in constantly. Or at least I can't.
Fair enough. You have to consider what it looked like to everyone when you did what you did. I don't think you have any idea of how hard they have been fucked with. I think that they would agree with you on getting good info out.
The way you responded threw up a lot of red flags. Making all those different threads in short succession in many different places at once and then asking how best to go about identifying someone who was modding v/pizzagate is gonna raise a whole hell of a lot of suspicion. And it did. As for the DDOS that was what think- called it in one of the threads and that is an easy term to remember even though it is inaccurate. The thing is that you are seeing his behavior in response to your behavior and coming to the same conclusion he did. It's the same thing.
As I said earlier they have been doing it for a long time and have had to deal with all kinds of crazy shit. The main sticking point that started all of that, at least to my knowledge, was your post did not meet the submission requirements. The reason for the submission requirements was in response to people shitting up the place with low-effort posts or just fake stuff. think- can probably explain the reasons for all the rules and why they were put in place better than I can. I wasn't around for a lot of it other than real early on.
Possibly, although v/pizzagate is a research oriented sub on a small website most people never heard of so the breakdown has always been researchers relying on other people to spread the info mostly from what I have seen.
Yeah, I think it's in there already.
Behavior is in response to stimuli. Again, I don't think you fully understand what they have been dealing with. I also don't think you understand what is currently unfolding on Voat.
Can you blame anyone though? You started trying to identify people or at least locations based on all those hacked emails and passwords in order to root out 'comped mods'. Did you consider that it might seem like you had more nefarious motives and maybe people might not be so trustful after that?
I'm not assigning any agenda to you. I'm just telling you what happened and why. All you had to do was modify the post like they asked you to and that think- tried to assist you with and none of this would have happened. And, again, I think you are misreading the situation. At least we are discussing it though, which is good.
Not at all. I never really thought you were a bad guy. I thought you were a frustrating guy because you wouldn't listen to what we were trying to tell you. When you went to reddit and other places posting how pizzagate might be comped even before anything had been worked out that looked extremely suspect to me. Why would you do that? Surely you can see how suspect that looked.
I don't think anyone deserves those things. I didn't even know those things happened. I'm assuming you think Vindicator did it or one of us? I didn't do it and I really don't think that any of the others did either. Someone might have done it just to stir the pot. I have no idea about any of that.
Except you did do that. You made like 3 or 4 threads all in a short period of time which not only was a stumbling block to solving anything it also appeared you were doing it in an effort to stir up a witch hunt. And you still don't understand anything about the current situation so are making a false equivalency. Show me where I ran around made a bunch of posts about you. All I ever did was respond in the comments. People were free to draw their own conclusions. It's why I linked all those posts.
Nothing wrong with that. Would have been nice to contain it to one thread where something could have actually been resolved though. Is frivolousfingers an alt of yours?
thewebofslime ago
The reason I disagree with this is because the post that triggered Vindicator actually did very well, despite his attacking. It did better than most posts. I can't recall the exact number but someone mentioned that despite attempts to get it dropped down, it kept getting upvotes.
If a lot of red flags were thrown up it was because I was getting a lot of red flags and I was being harassed on multiple platforms including on my own site, that I had just put up... instantly. I also played possum early on and that made Vindicator and Crensch expect a completely different reaction out of me. I even told Vindicator that I would be be adopting a new strategy because I did not expect him to be the one to fall for the honesty trap. He still fell for it.
I conformed the post to the submission requirements and we all discussed it beforehand that we would work to make that happen. I was not given constructive criticism, I was told it was "self aggrandizing, baffle with bullshit" even though it was virtually the same material as another post that did very well that was flared "share"; the difference in the two being that the latter post did not align with Q as much.
I understand exactly what they are dealing with which is why I explained, in detail, how the shill machine works on the site. I have been doxxed. I get gay porn in my inbox. I get people calling me shill all the time... and on and on. Notice that I only react when I am trying to expose someone's real motives. I also deal with drama on multiple platforms, not just Voat. I'm signed up everywhere. I get malware sent to me. I get it all. I'm not complaining, I understand how it works. I am saying the way I deal with it and the way this group of mods deal with it are drastically different and my way is effective. If I feed the trolls, it is to expose them. Otherwise, I deal with them in private and I promise that no one ever likes that approach out of me. But... again, I'm after actual bad guys.
Also, if harassment gets bad enough, then it is a matter for the courts. This is why you don't make it public unless you have to. It just isn't smart to post about anything that may potentially end up in court. This is another reason I have cut down on my posting and research. I have to go to court on some of the stuff I find, sometimes. I can't talk about it.
Srayzie had no problem doxxing hojuroku or whoever, so the doxxing outrage is very, very selective. Everyone is happy when I doxx who they hate. I also did not doxx anyone who was a user even though I have the power to. But, again, I am after pedophiles, not minimum wage shills. My inboxes also have people sending me doxxes of stuff all the time because they know I collect it. People have definitely sent me doxx on other users.
It's all contained in this thread, now. Plenty of people have been smoked out. A few more will smoke themselves out without my effort. Remember, the second split will come as soon as everything has calmed down.
Whether or not people are shills, if they act like shills, it is no different.
No. But I would make an educated guess that I know that person irl or from Poal.
The answer to all of this is simple and every reasonable person who has chimed in, I think, gets it. I really just wanted people to understand that this behavior is studied so that it can be implemented in an intentional way. Does it happen organically? I'm absolutely willing to entertain that idea, but the evidence surrounding it is going to make convincing me otherwise a hard sell.
Whether or not these people have been planning on implementing "splitting" is the real question. It would be a pretty good trick if they were manipulated into it. It would be exceedingly sad if that's just how they are as people. The easiest way to fix it is to end the shill behavior and focus on making a positive movement to get truth out. If they do that, then not a single reasonable person will have problems. I think we can all agree on that.
TheGrandMaster ago
Brilliant, you're clearly on the right track with all the downvoting
ESOTERICshade ago
That was worth my time to sign into the internet today bro. :) Thanx for that.
oftotc ago
And
These are from two completely separate systems. The one from your system just has the name "abramah" and no password, right? The account from the email/pw db could have come from anywhere on the planet and must have existed before "abramah" logged onto your personal website (that no one should visit w/o solid netsec, obviously), because it already existed in the databases at haveibeenpwned. That's what's in that database - known compromised accounts.
How are you connecting these two accounts to be the same person? Because they have the same "name"?
thewebofslime ago
You understand that correctly.
The CACI subnet was a QinetiQ network, meaning that the CACI IP address was listed in the logs, with a sub 10 dot IP address, where the computer username was listed.
So, yes, two different sets of data, independent of each other, but both reveal "QinetiQ" as a common piece of information, "abramah" as a common piece of information and that happened within moments of posting the thread, where the analytics reveal that the person who came to the site came specifically from my fresh thread in /v/Pizzagate.
I have a lot more detailed information than that, but I ended up posting the logs in other places to get other opinions because the conversation on Voat ceased to be productive.
TheGrandMaster ago
Brilliant
oftotc ago
Cool. One more thing - I'm having a hard time finding CACI being anything to QinetiQ; can you source that somehow?
When and please source? Thanks, dude.
mimes4peace ago
Your Google results must be manipulated because I get plenty of links that are clear that they both work on the same contracts together regularly, both participate on multiple business and non profit boards regularly and have many of the same employees back to back. The most likely explanation is that if they are getting C5ISR funds or working on Oasis they are in house together in Virgina for which you can find the addresses in plenty of these links. Both are located in the "defense corridor" in Virginia. They both have addresses next to each other on Fairfax in Arlington, Virginia. I'm not going to call you dishonest but I find it really strange that 30 seconds of searching drummed up these results for me and not for you. You might take a minute to reconsider some of your statements because if your only point of contention is YOUR Google results then I am not inclined to take your criticism seriously.
https://governmentcontractingtips.com/2014/05/22/oasis-contract/
http://www.capricciosoftware.com/Company/Partners.aspx
https://www.afcea.org/content/multiple-firms-awarded-c5isr-funds
https://nova.afceachapters.org/afitday
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OCPO-SSPO-TacCom-Vendor-List.pdf
https://www.myexecutiveboard.net/
linkedin.com/in/mark-ambrozaitis-7099064
https://www.biggp.com/our-clients/
NOMOCHOMO ago
I agree I got multiple results too.
I dont think his Google is manipulated. I think he is.
mimes4peace ago
https://i.imgur.com/ndskcoo.png
I feel like there is an important problem/solution that is staring us in the face here. Reddit Voat Poal even CNN and FOX all face the same problem. If they are all using (((tension centered strategies))) it should be easy to systematically counter. Maybe @virge is right and the best solution is public voting on these sites. The truth would reveal itself quickly. My take from this chart is that even if no one was a shill there was bound to be a collision given the frequency of posting between the accused and the accusers. Their posting was going to force readers to decide between them at some point. The question is who is more comfortable with not being believed and why. The difference is the accusers whose faction ended up with two rage quit account deleters cared a lot more about controlling communities than the others. @zyklon_b is no different and the amount of control just handed to him by the rage quitters defies reason. When these posters challenged their control over the communities they lashed out with ad hominem attacks. This reveals an interesting problem for moderators. Posters have nothing to lose when attacked by a group of moderators. Moderators are at an inherent disadvantage if they choose to persistently engage due to alts and accumulation of dissenters over time. The moderators in this situation are responsible for the paradox where they became so zealous that they lost control after a sustained campaign of accusing people of weird stuff that cant actually be verified unless you are admin.
I was really hoping my little chart would conclusively show who was a shill but there is a spectrum of possibilities. On one end @Crensch and @zyklon_b could be controlled opposition of each other and manipulating a handful of gullible people. On the other end nobody is a shill and the rage quit faction are merely classic morons. All a shame because everyone involved seemingly believes Pizzagate is real. Maybe they should work together? Ha.
NOMOCHOMO ago
where would I fall on that list?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed @vindicator
this is the conclusion I have come to
only public voats can solve the problem... everything else is a "solution" that leads to greater tension.
mimes4peace ago
Even if it could just be a subverse setting.
NOMOCHOMO ago
@vindicator @puttitout @shewhomustbeobeyed
this is the solution! let moderators decide if each subverse's voting is public or private!
NOMOCHOMO ago
I would LOVE to know who downvoted this :))))
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Works for me.
@think- would you take a look at the parent comments here and tell me what you think, please.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It would seem so, I get a bit lost on the tech side of these discussions.
I am quite sure that I have exhibited shameful patterns of voating in the past and would perhaps be embarrassed by my patterns being publicly displayed. I'll get over it.
My only concern is the chilling of voating, which I see as another form of free speech, ie. Well, i better not vote for/against this submission/comment, 'cause everybody can see. IDK, if transparency is what it takes then OK.
So if Putt takes you up on the offer to strip naked for all of voat to see, I'll do it with you.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Woohoo
@Puttitout we want to skinny dip!
@vindicator @crensch @kevdude
care to join us?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I'd just like for the truth to be loosed, hiding knowledge is what got us all to this point to begin with.
Vindicator ago
I am happy to have my voting history public. I am not clear, however, whether this would stop the Shareblue fuckery we've be plagued with, or empower it. I don't have a full enough picture of all of the different factors. Probably only Putt does, and his view may be limited, also.
NOMOCHOMO ago
it goes a long way to establish our credibility.
I fail to see how open voting would empower shareblue accts.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Probably both. Maybe if putt just banned every account with a gov IP, problem would be solved.
Me either.
Vindicator ago
That's actually brilliant, LOL. Remember during the government shutdown, when the shilling dropped to almost nothing? I remember :-)
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Yeah, well I figure that governments have no rights of free speech, so why not?
virge ago
Where would I fall on your chart?
mimes4peace ago
virge
Trump: Pro
Q: Pro
Holocaust: Neutral
Outrage: Anti
Pizzagate: Believes
Hobby: None
virge ago
Interesting. I disagree with 2 of them.
mimes4peace ago
Interesting. Which ones?
I searched your history for what you posted on Trump, Q, Holocaust (Jews, Kikes, etc), insults (faggot, fuck, etc) and probably didnt notice any "hobby" related sub outside of politics.
virge ago
I haven't bothered to purge my history in over a week, so you've seen a snapshot with very little good data.
Both Trump and Q were incorrect.
mimes4peace ago
Good to know. If I do this next time Ill consider looking harder. But I think Ive almost learned what I needed to know.
virge ago
Happy to help.
thewebofslime ago
https://washingtonexec.com/2013/07/suzan-zimmerman-joins-caci-international-as-senior-vice-president-strategic-campaigns/
CACI International Inc (CACI) today announced Suzan Zimmerman will take the helm of the IT solutions firm as senior vice president of strategic campaigns.
She is tasked in that post with leading CACI’s business development focus on evaluating, bidding and capturing market opportunities.
Zimmerman previously served as senior vice president for corporate development for QinetiQ North America Inc and brings to CACI 25 years of leadership experience.
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oftotc ago
The washingtonexec site is the only Internet source that mention CACI and QinetiQ in one post. And that is only because CACI hired someone formerly from QinetiQ.
There is nothing in there about a business contract of any kind. Or QinetiQ and CACI sharing any kind of network. I'm asking where you got that info from.
NOMOCHOMO ago
LIAR multiple sites have the same story
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130715005119/en/CACI-Appoints-Suzan-F.-Zimmerman-Senior-Vice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/seeking-to-grow-caci-makes-business-development-additions/2013/07/19/31fca1fa-ed81-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html?utm_term=.dc8d3c6c018a
https://www.lin kedin.com/in/julia-maddox-00a47469
another chick who worked for both companies
I'm not saying CACI and QINETIQ are connected, but there are multiple websites referencing both companies on one page
thewebofslime ago
Answering that question 100% definitively poses problems, but I think I can get it close enough for you with publicly available information. However, start with their owners.
They are both part of the Carlyle Group Portfolio and, if I recall, the DOLPHIN DIA project, TALON robotics project and people from Lockheed Martin and other usual suspects revolve in and out of these entities. The logs highlight the subnetwork that connects them. The other picture, I think, illustrates they are part of the same portfolio.
Beyond that, they swap around contracts and move around people from project to project and abramah's emails might suggest that he made the move to Mantech on the DISA project, last year, while retaining his QinetiQ credentials.
https://www.govconwire.com/2018/03/caci-mantech-win-spots-on-17-5b-disa-encore-iii-it-services-idiq-ken-asbury-daniel-keefe-comment/
oftotc ago
Uh, huh. Got it. Thanks, dude.
thewebofslime ago
Obviously, there is a bit more to it and I hashed out most of it when it happened. You can see that they aren't exactly a cutting edge bunch...
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oftotc ago
I can't imagine a lot then ;-) You should whack the @ data; not needed and generates shitty code for page processsing doncha think?
thewebofslime ago
I have the hope that someone will recognize some of the particulars. It's a narrowed down list. Given the sloppiness of their IT situation... which is a huge freaking mess... I'm guessing they've been sloppy elsewhere. Just having stuff available in searchvoat might be helpful, too. Until now, nobody was interested.
oftotc ago
There are people here who have read this far down believing that the data you have set forth is genuine. I am not one of them. I think you specifically target those of a lesser intellect than you, for whatever reasons, and spoon-feed them un-provable, but well crafted tales of investigative adventure. I find this kind of behavior to be abhorrent. I appreciate all you have posted in our conversation and hope you leave it all up for those with minds to perceive. It makes your kind more recognizable when you leave such big trails of nothing.
thewebofslime ago
So, what is fake? What am I saying that is untrue? I have asked multiple people to help interpret what I found. Sure, there are various opinions, but the behavior I am pointing out is undeniable. "Outrage Inc."
I was approached by people, who I didn't know whether or not I should trust, and I acted accordingly and this pattern of behavior ensued that we've seen before, but was accurately predicted. the technical information in the logs is, ultimately, irrelevant and, if I were wrong, I would be happy to admit.
But, the behavior keeps happening. Let's say I'm 100% an idiot and my logs were manipulated.
Let's cut out my site, completely.
I made a post on /v/Pizzagate where I was insulted and attacked and brigaded and it wasn't the first time. Before anyone knew anything about CACI or QinetiQ, I was being singled out to be banned or brigaded or tricked in some way. The same way that had happened to others and the same way that everyone saw play out in a very public fashion.
The "Outrage Inc" tactics are plain to see, for everyone. If I was wrong about my assertions, then why would people tell blatant, provable lies?
I don't actually target anyone. I have barely been on the Internet for like a month. I just had a little more time today, but that won't continue.
I'm not sure what "kind" you think I am, but I'd be curious to hear about it. If you have an alternative explanation of events, I would be curious to hear about it.
oftotc ago
So I've waited a few days to let the thread cool down and look into the info other goats posted.
I'm not here to ruin your fanbase and you notice I rarely interact with you. I won't be pestering you. I only lurk PG now so I'm familiar w/ your posts/comments. You help keep the place alive and that's a good thing. Sort of. At some point PG will need you and the srayzie's of the world to diminish in prominence in order to accomplish what it set out to do.
But until a density of minds occurs in the sub, I'll just keep watching. Thx for being a goat, dude.
ESOTERICshade ago
If I disagree with a mod I will say so with vigor. I disagreed with the mod, that v/pizzagate should be the landing skid for the Qanon Psyop, because it would have destroyed. I did not "attack", I vehemently disagreed. After alllll the bullshit Qanon has caused, and its obvious LACK of results, I hold my hed up proud that I helped defend v/pizzagate from the Qanon invasion. Change my mind, i'm listening....ears open
thewebofslime ago
It is impossible for me to know because most of the attacking is insults, not a presentation of facts. Either way, why in the world would I care about it 5 months later? Why not just make a presentation of facts and leave it at that? What is the purpose of going after them repeatedly for months on end? It is a waste of everyone's time.
Given that I was falsely accused of being a shill by these same people, how is it possible for me to know whether they are telling the truth or not about other potential shills who all seem to share a common thread... they don't support Q.
I am not taking a position on EsotericShade's shill status, I'm saying the way it is handled destroys any credibility because people who aren't shills are handled exactly the same way.
If we are talking about faking a consensus, that is exactly what this group of mods does by pinging their friends on everything they disagree with. If the mods are pushing a Q agenda... then we are looking at the same shoe on two different feet. They've been sliding by using outrage and "shill hunting" to slide, themselves.
They are literally no different than who they are attacking.
sguevar ago
What would be your position on the way then that the GA sub has taken to banhammer those that they don't like?
I was one of the people that didn't like your previous posts and I publicly admit I am quite tempted to downvoting for the mere distrust I have on you but given the fact that I find this particular exposé interesting, indulge me with an answer on this.
Let's say you are right, let's say they engage in the Outrage strategy. What purpose does it have to shut down the dialogue from their sub directly? I have some considerations after reading your post but do want to see what you come up with.
NOMOCHOMO ago
and to keep people from commenting/participating with other users who have been labelled "shills"
yesterday I was wary about replying to @thewebofslime because responding to people gets you falsely labeled as an "associate" or "alt".
thewebofslime ago
To disillusion readers.
The target is most often not the people who are bantering back and forth. The juiciest target are the people who just read and never say anything. There are more of them, than anything else.
I think a good mod would not have done it and I think an experienced mod would have known it would cause outrage.
I also think that if you want to run a subverse in a crappy manner, then people will quickly start to drop off. Nature will take it's course. If I were site admin, I would do nothing. If I were Kevdude, I would say something because it is bad behavior. At this point, I have never had any desire to be responsible over any Internet community and I, personally, leave insults directed at me intact. I am saying what my opinion is because not only did I predict this, I wrote an article all about it before it happened.
Which of my previous posts do you question? I am happy to discuss it, I just gave up explaining because all of my evidence was countered with ad hominem attacks and going nowhere.
The ultimate goal will be to crush the pizzagate movement. Pizzagate has 2 week old posts on its front page. It is dying. It is losing momentum. The recent move in /v/GreatAwakening will have the same effect. In fact, by dragging /v/QRV into the mud, we can expect psychological momentum to slow there, as well.
Mueller just got up on TV and said Trump is not exonerated and the media needed this to keep THEIR momentum. This is all managed under one umbrella. It only takes one stubborn researcher to force the media machine to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to counter a few choice facts. Twitter just banned someone for connecting Antifa to journalists. Just one conversation with a lawyer about that ban costs thousands of dollars.
It is cheaper to pay minimum wage shills who attract followers who can run off good researchers for practically free.
ESOTERICshade ago
Thank god for somebody with brains. Maybe you were sent by our non existent God. I predicted this would happen over a year ago. go figger...
big round of applause to Qanon, (fuck you Coleman Rogers, (qanon) you t shirt selling grifter Patriot Soapbox, and @crensch and @vindicator
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TheMystic ago
As a mostly lurker, let me just say this statement is so spot on!
Been following pizzagate and Q since the beginning of both movements and come here to read up on things. There are a lot of us, just because we don't contribute much doesn't mean we aren't part of the community. I have been keeping up on the latest drama, here are my two cents.
Pizzagate started off great, lots of posts, submissions and some of the best researchers. Not anymore it is a graveyard there. Why?
The rigid submission rules. I get that may have been needed when PG was getting numerous submissions a day and quality content was getting lost in the noise but that is far from the case now. What are they getting 2-3 posts a day?. A new user will come in and immediately be chastised because they don't have a link or the post doesn't spell out how it is linked to pizzagate. It turns off people to wanting to submit anything there.
The constant drama and "shillhunting" makes you feel like you will be under intense scrutiny if you post there. Is my account old enough? Do I have enough ccp points? etc.
It is very clear there is a cool and established set of goats and outsiders are looked at as shills. I have never traded a pm with anyone here at Voat, I'm not here to make internet fweinds, I'm here to hopefully read some good info and news I won't find anywhere else as I don't have the time to comb through the shit on the chans.
I noticed a few months back Great Awakening was going down the drama road too. Long winded stickies of how the sub and mods were under attack, the latest NeonRevolt shit etc. Srayzie always had some "shill" or something else she was fighting. It became exhausting and after awhile I tuned it out but this latest crap has been hard to ignore, at this point I would feel very uncomfortable ever posting anything there that went against the grain as I feel I would be labeled a shill and banned. IMO Great Awakening will go the same way of pizzagate if the mods continue down the path they are on.
ESOTERICshade ago
I could not have said it better myself. v/pizzagate was awesome. One of the best research sites on the internet. I know, because I participated. These days....naahhhh...@crensch and @vindicator ran it into the damn ground. Ask them why its not as good and they will say "because "shills" like esotericshade ran it into the ground with blah blah blah blah....
They have endless excuses. My bitch with the admin on the pizzagate sub was that Q is NOT a part of pizzagate, and it is NOT pizzagate. Those two are not the same. I tried to keep them seperate and I caught hell for it. The Qanon psyop is the is the Q thing and pizzagate is pizzagate. They was NOT gonna agree with me on that premise. Now, i'm a "shill" for demanding pizzagate purity. I don't know if it is ignorance on their part, or if they get paid, or if they are just control freaks, or just stupid, I don't know. They totally fucked up pizzagate though.
TheMystic ago
Yes, I do remember you from pizzagate and have seen the sticky about you there. I'm not familiar with all that happened but it was very apparent you ticked off the mods, but you did have some very interesting posts at times. I did hate the fighting about Q all the time, it became a big focus there for awhile and drug the sub down imo.
I myself follow Q and I completely understand that it was for the best that the two movements needed to be discussed separately. I never posted anything Q in pizzagate. I could never understand though some users hostile reactions towards it. To me it would seem that any sort of big movement that gets the so called normies awake and questioning the media, government etc. is a good thing. Many people who a year or so ago would of brushed most of this stuff as conspiracy theories are coming here wanting to look into these things and are hungry for knowledge, we shouldn't be mocking them and calling them boomer qtards, we should be taking them under our wings. The more people on our side the better.
That said I would never attack or downvote anyone that thinks Q is a fraud. I don't want be in a reddit bubble, I will never stand on the Q hill ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Part of the problem we see all the time are people who won't ever look into the possibility they may be wrong and don't want their beliefs challenged. Challenge me, but in a constructive way, not by belittling and mocking.
Anyways, it is just sad to see pizzagate and great awakening being torn down .I learned so much from pizzagate, that sub in it's prime was the best place for info on the internet. There are still a few good researchers that have hung in there and I still check in weekly. I'm not sure all what happened and I'm not trying to blame the mods entirely for it either. I just think the constant drama and fighting tends to scare people away is all.
I'm starting to think the way of the chans and QRV is the way to go. Being a complete anon takes away the ego you might develop on being an "important" poster and also reduces the chances of cliques forming.
NOMOCHOMO ago
People like me were hostile to it, because I understand the need for submission guidelines. But Q posts clearly didn't meet that justifiably high standard. It's not a criticism of Q per se. It's just the reality that Q is an anonymous intelligence operation, yet his claims were automatically "verified" by past "proofs"
Is it Awake? or a New Matrix of Control
TheMystic ago
I see your points. I never had a problem with keeping pizzagate and Q separate and I can see how it would be irritating to have it continually brought up on pizzagate.
One thing in Q's approach I like is the way everything is framed as a question. It gets people thinking, doing their own research and looking into how people, companies and events are connected etc. He doesn't really give you the answers but leads you down the road into looking into and finding things out for yourself. Sort of helping people get back their critical thinking skills, instead of just relying on the media propaganda.
The problem is that some followers instead are latching onto certain personalities within the Q movement and relying on and believing every decode that is "solved" and fed to them. That is where it is becoming dangerous. I wish humanity would quit making the mistake of always thinking they need a damn leader and believing someone else is more enlightened and smarter than them, so they must be followed and listened too. Example: JFK Jr. is alive you all because someone in the Q movement told me so. Cringe!
Also, I will admit that "Trust the Plan" does sound cultish.
NOMOCHOMO ago
except it isn't. Q also posts pictures. One in particular that was allowed on Pizzagate but didn't meet submission standards was the "Guardians of the Pedophiles" poster and Q posts re: James Gunn.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2831906/14829265
Now I def think James Gunn is relevant to pizzagate, but a boomer-tier meme was elevated to some kind of "prophetic vision"
it is cultish
ESOTERICshade ago
It was pretty simple. Pizzagate is pizzagate, and Qanon is Qanon. If we mixed those two together, pizzagate would get bleached out and go away in the blizzard of D.C. scripted politics. Pizzagate deserves better treatment than that because its important. Thanx for the kind reply. I remember you too :)
sguevar ago
The one of the possible doxx on @Vindicator after reading all the matter I ended up backing Vindicator up do to my concern of doxx apparently coming from you but by all means explain if you have the time.
There is something that doesn't add up here:
I saw multiple users backing the actions of the mod team with their banhammer to keep their community safe and focus on there main topic on the post that I did myself today. https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3248084
So how is it that trying to run the sub down implies getting backed by their sub members into the equation here?
thewebofslime ago
I asked Voat what they thought I should do, since I do have access to more doxx than the average person. Basically, if you haven't changed your email password in the last year, I can find your passwords in about 1 minute. Without doxxing, I expressed that I have this information and I would share it, if it was the consensus. I never did. I merely stated that I have reason to believe his login credentials align with the login credentials of someone who probed my site.
And, not that I care anyone probed my site. I was mostly shocked that it happened so fast and within moments of the one and only downvote on my thread, at the time. We all know who that was. We set up fake wordpress links and fake tables full of FBI doxx for anyone who tried to send SQL injections, along with some other surprises. Additionally, when I raised my concerns, the attacks stopped. Forever. Meaning, it hasn't happened again since I made a fuss.
So, he claims that I am threatening to doxx everyone and begins being VERY dishonest. It wasn't a threat, it was more like... Hey guys, I have this information, what do I do with it? But, again, I was mostly met with insults and downvotes while I was making a legitimate effort to resolve what was going on. In the end, I decided to send all of the information to the bosses at CACI and CC'd the FBI... not that I expected them to do anything.
Multiple users, of course, will back the mods. But more users will start to be more careful and more will stop bothering with the drama altogether because Outrage Ince is a sign that a community is compromised. The organizational paradox is that people who have made an emotional investment will be more emotionally invested, now, but the community will have "split" because the people who are not emotionally invested will seek elsewhere and their participation will dwindle relative to what it was before the drama.
It is a basic function of cognitive dissonance and it is exactly what NXIVM does, though on a different scale.
Step 1: You get invited by the cool people to do a thing, then they ask you to join. In NXIVM's case, the class costs 20 grand, but don't worry, we'll front you and you can pay it off slowly.
Step 2: You hang out with the cool people and socially bond. In NXIVM's case, it results in getting liquored up and naked, where someone "accidentally" takes naked pictures of you. Now, not only are you emotionally invested, they've got a little blackmail on you.
It escalates from there.
Point being, the more people emotionally invest in something, the less likely they are to walk away from it. Economists and marketers refer to it as "the fallacy of sunk costs." A lot of pyramid schemes rely on this concept.
The other trick that exploits this in people is to ask someone a small favor. Then, a little later, ask them for a slightly larger favor. You can work people slowly up to doing something they would never otherwise have done, because you've basically neurolinguistically programmed/hypnotized them into working for you. Of course, everyone has their limits, that's why it has to be gradual. And, even then, there is a line you will eventually find a person has that they will not cross. That is when more advanced methods take over.
Point being, the process of splitting is supposed to retain a faction. Eventually, that faction will be split again.
ESOTERICshade ago
I have tried to explain this to people, but I could not do it as well as you. Kudos, for doing it, and caring.
thewebofslime ago
Thanks for reading. The truth is that the Tavistock Archives have tons of this stuff once you learn to read their esoteric psychobabble doublespeak. Basically, if they are telling you that "we are studying this to be able to make groups work together better" they really mean, "how to we make people feel as isolated as possible with the least amount of effort."
They have been running shill operations long before the Internet and their occult forefathers built the devil into the details.
NOMOCHOMO ago
In your opinion, where does tavistock rank in the hierarchy? is it THE chief occult psychiatry school?
it seems they produce both psychology and artistic movements meant to shape society.
but who do they serve?
thewebofslime ago
Kind of a big question, but I'll take a quick stab before I sign off for the night.
In 1913, Freud, Hitler, Tito, Stalin, Trotsky and other players that would soon shape the world, were all living in Vienna and part of the same social dreaming circle. They didn't call it "social dreaming," yet, I don't think, but you can look up "social dreaming matrix" to know more.
If you look at Tavistock's Logo (bottom right) https://i.imgur.com/q7nr4RI.png you can see how they arrange themselves... in different circles.
So, one circle will have 13 or 23 members, give or take, depending on what is going on. Those members will then participate in another circle, below, making another 13 or 23 circles. The members of those circles, then create more for themselves. It is, essentially, a compartmentalized pyramid scheme of corruption where you are only aware of one level above you and one level below you unless you attend a special event.
Tavistock was in charge of making a language for psychology that relied on the study of the occult. Social dreaming was used by Joseph Smith to make members "see" the plates with their mind's eye.
What this means is that an ancient Egyptian would call something "magic", that a Freudian would call "psychology" which someone, today, might call neuroscience. A hit of LSD definitely feels like magic but can be explained in terms of neuroscience. Basically, you need to see the same things from multiple lenses and spinning out the "occult" is a game of weaving out "magic" in different forms.
It doesn't matter how you describe it, the results are the same.
To a Wiccan, tricking someone into being outraged is magic. To that little monkey, it's just a grape he didn't get to eat. To most people, it is just a psychology trick. But it works. It doesn't matter what you call it.
So, in terms of "heirarchy" Tavistock was truly important, but that was only because it served an all important function to the initial Freud Social Dreaming Circle in Vienna... the "Wednesday Psychology Club." If I understand correctly, the social dreaming circle in London was the Coefficients Dining Club, led by HG Wells, who cooperated in this whole "utopia" which mainly involved robbing the free will/agency of the masses so that they could become more free, themselves... hoping to one day be gods. Again... call it whatever you want. Ubermensch. Immortal. Whatever lens you want to see it through.
Tavistock is still very important today, but the magical secrets are out and any idiot can use these psychology techniques "Principles of Mass Persuasion" and unleash them on any unsuspecting group. If you had a few million dollars and you wanted to hire me to implement this knowledge, there would be nothing stopping us from creating a cult, creating a political movement, a militia... whatever.
For that reason, Tavistock fell into less relevance but still is part of a compartmentalized network of think tanks. Brookings, Lowy Institute... crap like that.
But, the Holy Alliance was at this game longer and they were playing kingmaker long before Tavistock. There was a shift during the great wars where the Holy Alliance lost ground, but I believe the CIA felt they were victorious in the end per the FOIA documents on it.
So, when you ask a question of hierarchy, it is difficult because a matrix of power isn't about hierarchy, it is about being widespread across a hierarchy in order to overcome it; like the Tavistock Logo.
I believe that the top of the hierarchy is currently the Unholy Alliance that involves a cult/secret society/social dreaming circle that is nested in the leadership of the Zionists, the Jesuits and the Wahhabists. So, while there are powerful factions like the Greek Orthodox, everyone is making deals with the Unholy Alliance to stay in power or they are actively working against them to steal their power.
But, what will happen is, if one starts to go down, you will just see someone from the social dreaming circle shift over to what is most convenient where they won't get the axe fall. Either way, this is how even the little cults think that the level just above them is the most powerful in the world and rules everything because they are all using variants of the same symbology, spun out in new, clever ways.
Nobody is more manipulated than the people inside these circles and the high up you go, the more extreme it gets in order to ensure silence. This is how it stays secret, so well.
That is my less than scientific explanation. I try to break it down on my site, a little more, but I've been taking a break for a bit.
Thanks for reading
NOMOCHOMO ago
<3 thanks for writing. I'll visit your blog once I get a new burner ;)
ESOTERICshade ago
Thank YOU for caring enough about humanity to post, in this "slime" of a lack of intellect back water. I appreciate it because its not often that I get a chance to chat about all this with somebody that has attempted to put as much study into this as I have. I think you have surpassed me though bro, and its not often that I am able to say that, but I like it :)
Absolutely one hundred percent spot on the mark. I just flip everything backwards and then whammo viola I have the truth. It gets easy after a while. :) Flip it upside down, and there it is. Never read the "Tavistock Archives" but I am well aware of who they are and what they do. Its like the secret society think tank...
True that. Over the last twenty years I have tried to read and learn as far back as we have documentation on this subject. It is thousands of years old. I busted my mind trying to decode the "code" and then I just settled for flipping it all backwards. Works for me. I tried to learn the Qlipoth Kaballah Gematria but I would have to learn Hebrew to make that work successfully, and i'm just not up for that at my age.
Thanx for busting your ass and trying to make a difference. I tried to do that for a long time but the mods at v/pizzagate wore me down. When Q came on the scene, it was an onslaught of bullshit and it wore me the hell out. Speaking of "onslaught" check out Walter Veith. They have scrubbed a lot of his stuff but here is one on Jesuit Theater and the "magic lantern." The original name of the video is changed because I don't think you can get it under it's original name which was "Jesuit Theater."
sguevar ago
But one could be emotionally entangled by simply have a commitment for a personal belief also. How do you tell from one another? Or to you they are the same type of involvement?
thewebofslime ago
It just depends on what you do with it. Getting people emotionally invested... or any other psychological strategy isn't inherently bad, in itself. It's just how it is used.
Absolutely, emotional entanglement happens in a lot of ways for a lot of reasons and in different ways. Once you are emotionally aligned, the manipulation happens using outrage or schadenfreude in one move against two different groups.
For example, a news article can be titled, "Mueller Reminds the Nation Trump is a Traitor." In the parlance of "systems psychodynamics" this is ideal manipulation because it makes one side feel outrage and another side feel vindicated and schadenfreude. Emotionally, both sides are being driven apart with the same exact story.
So, I don't consider the involvement quite the same and everyone has different reasons. There is also "bad jacketing" where you fall into a movement that is designed to be discredited from the beginning. Time and resources are poured into an organization where the organizer turns out to be a criminal. The money walks away and the cause, itself, is destroyed because one person was a scumbag. It doesn't matter that the cause was legitimate, at that point.
Abortion is another example... along with plenty of other issues... where, first of all, a nuanced or neutral opinion is not allowed and if you believe a certain way, you have to vote a certain way. It used to be if you were antiwar, you voted a certain way, but no one is given an anti-war candidate to vote for, anymore.
This means that there are a variety of ways to draw people in deeper and deeper where the go beyond the line they normally would have drawn for themselves.
One example I use a lot is MARSOC killing Zetas. MARSOC are good dudes. They are given a mission to kill drug dealers. We can all get on board with that. In the background, though, Eric Holder dumps thousands of guns in the lap of Sinaloa, the competition of the Zetas. Sinaloa also has their cocaine found crashed in US planes, like one the CIA used to fly to Gitmo or Howard Deans former campaign plane. The MARSOC guys are doing nothing wrong. We can probably all agree to support them. However, we now face a paradox because they are being used to prop up the Sinaloa cartel that has known ties to the NXIVM cult. Forcing people into making a decision on who to support in this instance is not black and white.
sguevar ago
I will sleep it over.
Thanks for the time.
ESOTERICshade ago
I gave them ample reason NOT to turn v/pizzagate into v/pizzquanon. It would have destroyed pizzagate. After all the bullshit the Q psyop has caused at Voat over the last year, I can only say that I am PROUD of myself that I dedicated myself to keeping pizzagate from becoming totally drowned out by Q. I have zero regrets. But your post looks interesting, and I will check the links.
bopper ago
That's one thing I'll say about you ESO, you do stay true to what you believe (and it gets you in a lot of trouble).
I've been off Klonopin for over a year now and if it wasn't for big pharma sales people like you it would have never happened!
I am kidding, it was my own fault.
ESOTERICshade ago
Thanx bud, and yes it does. That is because I firmly believe in what I KNOW. I trust nothing that I don't KNOW.
Yeah!!! I helped save another person from the clutches of big pharma. Damn i'm smiling :) I used to be a drug rep, as you know. I sold their poison. I moved on to Chinese Medicine and I feel sooooo much better. Aren't you the one that turned me on to Maca Root? I take Maca Root, Ashwaghandha, Rhodiola. I also drink Goji Berries every morning to balance me out. The Goji berries are a little bit hard to manage until a person learns how to process them. The way I deal with the Goji is to put them in a blender with some water, and then put in a Mason Jar in the fridge. Then, every morning I put a tablespoon of Goji in a glass, put a little water in it, and I drink it. If you put Goji berries in a blender without water it will set up like concrete.
In the United States generics can still have profit margins in the thousands of percent. I know, because I used to be a pharma rep. But you are correct that drugs that have not gone generic yet have higher profit margins. If people knew how bad we are getting ripped off, they would be amazed. You can get shit from Canada for a fraction of the price. BUT, I stopped taking all their toxic shit and I don't take big pharma poison anymore. BUT, I have some knee and back problems, so there will probably come a day when I will need their pain killers. In some situations anti biotics can also be crucial like >>> tooth infeciton, but I use oregano oil for that :)
bopper ago
We also discussed Fibonacci numbers lol !
ESOTERICshade ago
Hold my beer, watch this three minute video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA
bopper ago
Haha, love that video, you shared it with me over a year ago!
Will watch again right now. Before bed.
ESOTERICshade ago
And for more advanced scholars, Plato's Cave Analysis. Nine minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axARKd24eHo
ESOTERICshade ago
I never get tired of it. Here is another one :) Some "red pilled" people are still here and don't know it, and they cause a LOT of friction for those of us outside the cave trying to free them. Just sayinn :) >>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P4WO1_Hrg
ESOTERICshade ago
And for those with REAL APTITUDE and interest, this is an INCREDIBLY detailed explanation of "Plato's Cave" and its origin, which is the Jesuit Theatre. This ain't no three minute minute vid, this is detailed. This is Walter Veith and @pby1000 gets the credit for turning me on to Walter. I highly recommend Walter for people that want to LEARN instead of bicker on the internet all day...just sayin...
The title of the video has been disguised because you can't get this video under it's original title, because, its been scrubbed from the internet. I have seen it several times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9kvdd9hs9I
bopper ago
Might have been you that told me about tumeric, I've been taking it now for maybe half a year.
I think I did mention the Maca Root yeah.
I kinda screwed up and started taking Kratom, gotta stop cause it doesn't agree with me in several ways, not worth the little bit of euphoria.
Sleep has improved, I didn't sleep hardly at all for three years and still not well.
I still have the messages you sent discussing some of this, saved them for reference.
Thanks! (And speaking of sleep, goodnight.)
ESOTERICshade ago
I take two teaspoons of that every day, so yep, that was probably me.
You are more than welcome bro. Got to sleep!
derram ago
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg :
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