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thewebofslime ago

It is impossible for me to know because most of the attacking is insults, not a presentation of facts. Either way, why in the world would I care about it 5 months later? Why not just make a presentation of facts and leave it at that? What is the purpose of going after them repeatedly for months on end? It is a waste of everyone's time.

Given that I was falsely accused of being a shill by these same people, how is it possible for me to know whether they are telling the truth or not about other potential shills who all seem to share a common thread... they don't support Q.

I am not taking a position on EsotericShade's shill status, I'm saying the way it is handled destroys any credibility because people who aren't shills are handled exactly the same way.

If we are talking about faking a consensus, that is exactly what this group of mods does by pinging their friends on everything they disagree with. If the mods are pushing a Q agenda... then we are looking at the same shoe on two different feet. They've been sliding by using outrage and "shill hunting" to slide, themselves.

They are literally no different than who they are attacking.

sguevar ago

What would be your position on the way then that the GA sub has taken to banhammer those that they don't like?

I was one of the people that didn't like your previous posts and I publicly admit I am quite tempted to downvoting for the mere distrust I have on you but given the fact that I find this particular exposé interesting, indulge me with an answer on this.

Let's say you are right, let's say they engage in the Outrage strategy. What purpose does it have to shut down the dialogue from their sub directly? I have some considerations after reading your post but do want to see what you come up with.

thewebofslime ago

To disillusion readers.

The target is most often not the people who are bantering back and forth. The juiciest target are the people who just read and never say anything. There are more of them, than anything else.

I think a good mod would not have done it and I think an experienced mod would have known it would cause outrage.

I also think that if you want to run a subverse in a crappy manner, then people will quickly start to drop off. Nature will take it's course. If I were site admin, I would do nothing. If I were Kevdude, I would say something because it is bad behavior. At this point, I have never had any desire to be responsible over any Internet community and I, personally, leave insults directed at me intact. I am saying what my opinion is because not only did I predict this, I wrote an article all about it before it happened.

Which of my previous posts do you question? I am happy to discuss it, I just gave up explaining because all of my evidence was countered with ad hominem attacks and going nowhere.

The ultimate goal will be to crush the pizzagate movement. Pizzagate has 2 week old posts on its front page. It is dying. It is losing momentum. The recent move in /v/GreatAwakening will have the same effect. In fact, by dragging /v/QRV into the mud, we can expect psychological momentum to slow there, as well.

Mueller just got up on TV and said Trump is not exonerated and the media needed this to keep THEIR momentum. This is all managed under one umbrella. It only takes one stubborn researcher to force the media machine to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to counter a few choice facts. Twitter just banned someone for connecting Antifa to journalists. Just one conversation with a lawyer about that ban costs thousands of dollars.

It is cheaper to pay minimum wage shills who attract followers who can run off good researchers for practically free.

sguevar ago

Which of my previous posts do you question? I am happy to discuss it, I just gave up explaining because all of my evidence was countered with ad hominem attacks and going nowhere.

The one of the possible doxx on @Vindicator after reading all the matter I ended up backing Vindicator up do to my concern of doxx apparently coming from you but by all means explain if you have the time.

There is something that doesn't add up here:

The recent move in /v/GreatAwakening will have the same effect.

I saw multiple users backing the actions of the mod team with their banhammer to keep their community safe and focus on there main topic on the post that I did myself today. https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3248084

So how is it that trying to run the sub down implies getting backed by their sub members into the equation here?

thewebofslime ago

I asked Voat what they thought I should do, since I do have access to more doxx than the average person. Basically, if you haven't changed your email password in the last year, I can find your passwords in about 1 minute. Without doxxing, I expressed that I have this information and I would share it, if it was the consensus. I never did. I merely stated that I have reason to believe his login credentials align with the login credentials of someone who probed my site.

And, not that I care anyone probed my site. I was mostly shocked that it happened so fast and within moments of the one and only downvote on my thread, at the time. We all know who that was. We set up fake wordpress links and fake tables full of FBI doxx for anyone who tried to send SQL injections, along with some other surprises. Additionally, when I raised my concerns, the attacks stopped. Forever. Meaning, it hasn't happened again since I made a fuss.

So, he claims that I am threatening to doxx everyone and begins being VERY dishonest. It wasn't a threat, it was more like... Hey guys, I have this information, what do I do with it? But, again, I was mostly met with insults and downvotes while I was making a legitimate effort to resolve what was going on. In the end, I decided to send all of the information to the bosses at CACI and CC'd the FBI... not that I expected them to do anything.

Multiple users, of course, will back the mods. But more users will start to be more careful and more will stop bothering with the drama altogether because Outrage Ince is a sign that a community is compromised. The organizational paradox is that people who have made an emotional investment will be more emotionally invested, now, but the community will have "split" because the people who are not emotionally invested will seek elsewhere and their participation will dwindle relative to what it was before the drama.

It is a basic function of cognitive dissonance and it is exactly what NXIVM does, though on a different scale.

Step 1: You get invited by the cool people to do a thing, then they ask you to join. In NXIVM's case, the class costs 20 grand, but don't worry, we'll front you and you can pay it off slowly.

Step 2: You hang out with the cool people and socially bond. In NXIVM's case, it results in getting liquored up and naked, where someone "accidentally" takes naked pictures of you. Now, not only are you emotionally invested, they've got a little blackmail on you.

It escalates from there.

Point being, the more people emotionally invest in something, the less likely they are to walk away from it. Economists and marketers refer to it as "the fallacy of sunk costs." A lot of pyramid schemes rely on this concept.

The other trick that exploits this in people is to ask someone a small favor. Then, a little later, ask them for a slightly larger favor. You can work people slowly up to doing something they would never otherwise have done, because you've basically neurolinguistically programmed/hypnotized them into working for you. Of course, everyone has their limits, that's why it has to be gradual. And, even then, there is a line you will eventually find a person has that they will not cross. That is when more advanced methods take over.

Point being, the process of splitting is supposed to retain a faction. Eventually, that faction will be split again.

sguevar ago

But one could be emotionally entangled by simply have a commitment for a personal belief also. How do you tell from one another? Or to you they are the same type of involvement?

thewebofslime ago

It just depends on what you do with it. Getting people emotionally invested... or any other psychological strategy isn't inherently bad, in itself. It's just how it is used.

Absolutely, emotional entanglement happens in a lot of ways for a lot of reasons and in different ways. Once you are emotionally aligned, the manipulation happens using outrage or schadenfreude in one move against two different groups.

For example, a news article can be titled, "Mueller Reminds the Nation Trump is a Traitor." In the parlance of "systems psychodynamics" this is ideal manipulation because it makes one side feel outrage and another side feel vindicated and schadenfreude. Emotionally, both sides are being driven apart with the same exact story.

So, I don't consider the involvement quite the same and everyone has different reasons. There is also "bad jacketing" where you fall into a movement that is designed to be discredited from the beginning. Time and resources are poured into an organization where the organizer turns out to be a criminal. The money walks away and the cause, itself, is destroyed because one person was a scumbag. It doesn't matter that the cause was legitimate, at that point.

Abortion is another example... along with plenty of other issues... where, first of all, a nuanced or neutral opinion is not allowed and if you believe a certain way, you have to vote a certain way. It used to be if you were antiwar, you voted a certain way, but no one is given an anti-war candidate to vote for, anymore.

This means that there are a variety of ways to draw people in deeper and deeper where the go beyond the line they normally would have drawn for themselves.

One example I use a lot is MARSOC killing Zetas. MARSOC are good dudes. They are given a mission to kill drug dealers. We can all get on board with that. In the background, though, Eric Holder dumps thousands of guns in the lap of Sinaloa, the competition of the Zetas. Sinaloa also has their cocaine found crashed in US planes, like one the CIA used to fly to Gitmo or Howard Deans former campaign plane. The MARSOC guys are doing nothing wrong. We can probably all agree to support them. However, we now face a paradox because they are being used to prop up the Sinaloa cartel that has known ties to the NXIVM cult. Forcing people into making a decision on who to support in this instance is not black and white.

sguevar ago

I will sleep it over.

Thanks for the time.