I am here asking for a conversation that can be seen by all. including your members as an attempt to fix things here.
Please state your points, lets avoid childish ad hominem and angry comments. I am pleading for your objectivity here even if you all feel betrayed and angry.
Let's find a common ground that we can start working on. I am doing this in the best interest of your subverse and of Voat as a whole. Please lets discuss what is going on here and in calmed way.
If you feel the need to vent so be it. I don't blame you for it but know that I am not here to sow discord nor trying to bring you down nor your sub. I believe in all you four. I ask of you to believe in me here.
(Though I know why you are doing what you are doing I still need to argue directly to each of your points - https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/banned)
Let us break this current impasse for everyone's sake.
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MolochHunter ago
Here's my response
https://voat.co/v/whatever/3247417/18885453
I think Shizy, Crensch and I are in agreement here
Voat needs to stay 9/10 for Freedom of Speech
10/10 is destructive and unwise, because thats the nature of Zealotry : destructive, and enabling of destruction
You are welcome to push for 10/10 on subverses you run
This is not up for debate any longer. Our course is set. This is how we run GA from now on
What are you going to do? Have Putt kill the sub ?
be our guest, and become the 'RedditorFags' you so despise
sguevar ago
I argued that already on that link you posted with the link of my response but again you are more than welcome to subvert your own task if you so like. That is on you guys.
I think I have shared my part here.
Shizy ago
I anticipate that will be included on the policies for private subs once that is drafted.
Fair enough. Once there is a private sub policy in place, that will be something we will need to be defining within our subverse policies.
rickki6 ago
I use to be on reddit, came to VOAT. love this Great Awakening~
sguevar ago
Glad you do but what is going on here does hurt your sub's credibility and the objectivity of your Mods. Sadly pride is blinding their actions and clearly there is nothing I can do to change that.
rickki6 ago
that is sad
sguevar ago
From my part I do find it sad for they are people I respect... but well so much for a dialogue I guess.
Shizy ago
If it applies to both public and private, why does it say "public"? And if the policies are different for public and private subs, isn't it a little sloppy to not have those differences outlined in separate policies?
You can't just expect people to know what they must adhere to when there's not a clear policy to refer back to.
Shizy ago
That's for Public Subs. I've pointed this out to you already.
Where's the policy for private subs?
1southofyou ago
You know, as I read these comments...this sounds more like this guy(s) is/are jealous of the amount of people(mod power-lol) on GA, influence or something like that and not all this free speech/rule bullshit.
GA has rules. I like the rules. Order is necessary for discussion and the presentation of information.
Tell the anarchists to fuck off! Press Delete.
Shizy ago
I think you're right! Thats why this sub notnonly gets attacked by the shill, butnalso from those who claim they're here to protect voat. They seem more interested in protecting a group of losers who just want to distrust and shit on everyone. There's got to be a happy medium to protect everyone!
Podingo7 ago
Exactly!!, "order is necessary" in any society that wishes to proceed to a better future...all this willy nilly, do as you want, identify anyway one want, no laws, no borders,no morals, no rules, is the precise reason this country is one DJT from going in complete death spiral...whats the old saying,"misery loves company", and thats why other subs are trying to promote their misery and chaos on to GA..
1southofyou ago
Right On š
Podingo7 ago
My.02 cents about the situation is this: the mods here kept a great sub where like minded ppl gathered and discussed issues and research..i never saw a person with a legitimate debate to a post(s) were banned for their opinion..obviously, GA has a different view of what free speech is productive ( open debates where all views are welcome), but free speech by one/few ppl to post porn, hatred, disrupting the board, and harass mods by posting personal info, and threats to harm, is unproductive..why should evil minded ppl get to decide that their perverse idea of free speech is a better definition of 1st amendment that of those who dont want see or hear that shit...there are other subs who dont care, so it shows their evil intent by coming here and disrupting..i dont mind down voting/debating something i do not agree with, but i shouldn't have to sort through a ton of shit posts because someone else their rights are greater than mine...
sguevar ago
I don't disagree with you there. I care for your mods I truly do. But if you check your ban log and the reasons as well as the comments that are being deleted you will see that they are just so because of hurt feelings nothing more nothing less. No rule was broken and the comments shouldn't have been deleted either.
I personally don't considered porn free speech that to me is a simple (((jew in the letter))) claim.
As per SCOTUS hate speech = free speech and I stand by that. You don't get to censor it just because you don't like it and I know @Crensch thinks the same way.
I agree here and regarding the posts that break the rules the ban can be upheld. Regarding the harassment we sure need to work on a new process that addresses such matters but it has to be a due process and objective as we are much better than the mainstream media is. We cant risk falling into the same mistakes.
It is not but it is based on the notion provided by the SCOTUS so they also have a right to speak their mind. If you don't like it downvote and move on but do not pursue their censorship because then you are using the same tools of the people that you fight against.
Agreed and no their rights are not greater, they are equal. If it was you on that list I would defend you equally.
Podingo7 ago
I appreciate the reply and explanations, but SCOTUS doesn't run this sub, the mods and majority opinion of subscribers should be able to set the boundaries as to content..of course, i am not saying because someone gets feelings hurt, the person should get banned...however, its like SCOTUS rulings that leave laws up to each state's residents to decide what to ban(recently abortion laws). Same rule should apply here..if SCOTUS ruled that each American family must take in an illegal alien and pay for all their cost, would you not feel invaded and your equal rights violated by something you dont agree with?
sguevar ago
Completely agree with you there. This is why the subs have to set up their rules and if a rule is broken then they can decide to ban or to warn. That is up to the sub. But comment deletion shouldn't be a thing because that is not floading the sub with unproductive content but allowing people to express themselves. Obviously there are exceptions to that.
Let me put a simple example here:
I have a sub myself (that I admit haven't posted much on it for quite a while) - CostaRicaPuraVida
If someone posted something like sguevar is a POS costarican there then it regards the sub main topic. Yes I probably wouldn't like it and downvote and move on but I wouldn't delete the post.
If someone posted a comment alike I would apply the same deal. This is why downvotes and upvotes are important. It shouldn't be left only to the mods to determine the relevance of a post or a comment but banning someone for posting a "hurtful" thing on their sub and then banning them without them braking any rule that is quite the over reach of their task.
Either way it appears that your mods have made their choice already which saddens me because I know their work and I respect them but resorting in the same behavior that they faught against in the past is like "calling it quits".
This is not going to help your sub thrive and I personally wouldn't want that to happen, even if I am not a Q follower myself.
Shizy ago
I'm still waiting for a link to the PV policies regarding private subs. I've been told that as a private sub, GA is operating within our rights.
sguevar ago
Including comment deletions? Are you sure of this?
Shizy ago
I haven't seen the policy so I have no idea what it says. I was referred to the policy on public subs, which I know is different.
sguevar ago
I recommend you to do so for comments are not to be deleted at all and even @srayzie acknowledged this.
Shizy ago
Srayzie was following what kevdude told her. I'm not so sure I'm following anything he says, nor should anyone else once I expose what he's doing.
sguevar ago
This is pride talking but by all means do so.
Shizy ago
What is it I'm referring to?
You don't know so how can you say "this is Pride"?
sguevar ago
The fact that you are stating that @srayzie was just following what @kevdude told her. The fact that you are going to expose him. I will wait for that exposure you are claiming about but you sure are being purposely obtuse right now and that is on you only.
Nice way to organize a brigading effort also: https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/3248084/18892473
Congratulations, you have just corrupted your actions right there. It seems you have made your choice already. I will leave you to it obviously there is no further discussion to be made.
bopper ago
I've been observing.
Shizy is okay and you guys agree 'in the main' so I expect you guys to be patched up in the future. We'll see what she says about Kevdude.
She's not being obtuse just guarded right now I think. The rules are indeed a little hazy at this time but I expect them to get cleared up.
She's not trying to brigade w/ that comment, just trying to get the people around here to get off their butts and help out.
I've seen you bludgeoning Zyklon. The enemy of my enemy..
sguevar ago
I truly care for her as I do for srayzie and as I do for Crensch.
I honestly hated what happen to them both because of the arrogance of one junkie that doesn't know restraint. But as I have stated multiple times if we leave objectivity a side we risk corrupting Voat's integrity.
Either way I don't wish ill to anybody including the faggot that started all this but I will defend what needs to be defended.
Have a good one.
bopper ago
Understood, don't be a stranger. Take care.
Shizy ago
Sound good!
Nice way to twist my support for upvoating good and downvoating bad. This is what voat is all about.
sguevar ago
The twist was made by you, but hey again I am not interested in getting further with this conversation you clearly made your choice and corrupted your actions. That is on you not me.
Shizy ago
I'm not the corrupt on in all of this.
You are misaligned sadly.
sguevar ago
You did corrupted your ways by engaging in the same activities your enemies did against you and so did @Crensch and I wouldn't be a true friend if I didn't stand before you and told you so.
But as I stated, I will stand in the middle and you better bring quite a good defense on the following hit pieces because I will bring all I have to argue against any false pretences. I am not making any threats as you know I don't engage on them I am stating a fact so you and Crensch are more than welcome to continue here. I said my piece here. So I guess is just a matter of waiting.
bopper ago
Yeah i would just wait it out, Shizy is not a prevaricator I can assure you and not a power tripper, so maybe reserve judgment for now, I do understand your zeal for Voat and I do think your intentions are good.
sguevar ago
I am not to be honest. I will wait and see.
bopper ago
I hear you. Yeah myself, waiting.
CerealBrain ago
Nobody wants to hear about your homosexual exploits.
USAMatters ago
I appreciate all you have done for this subverse. I am sure most, if not all, those who post here as Patriots are not the problem. The problems relate to the shills and no matter what the Moderators/Patriots say or agree to, the shills will only get worse. These evil people do not want Patriots to have an honest and open discussions.
What I do as soon as I see a cuss word, I simply skip over that post. I may miss some important information, but that is my litmus test if I will read the post or not.
Thank you for all you do.
sguevar ago
Hey I hear you, but you can't fight the enemy using the enemy's tools. Otherwise you will corrupt your essence and integrity. You need to remain true to yourselves and give the extra mile just as the Word of God states for you can't expect that from your enemies. It needs to be done by us.
That is a fair choice but I tend not to ignore the curse words. Though I try to say them less and less. Because I know I fail when I use them and yes I fail repeatedly but we need understand that censorship is not the way. If no rules are broken no bans must be upheld and certainly no comment deletion must happen because after all they are also proofs of the ill nature of some users.
KnownBand0 ago
"BreastAwareness" ? i bet you have one big arm.
Shizy ago
So what's the problem that you feel needs to be discussed?
sguevar ago
The ban hammer applied on your sub that is creating an impasse in us working on the process that needs to be work on. This is what I am seeing. This is what you guys are showing me.
For as mad as you are, you know that I don't mean ill to your kin and much less to you all. I need you guys to understand this and that you have the will to work this out.
Shizy ago
Who is "us"
And what is this process you keep referring to?
sguevar ago
us =Voat as a community,
Work on a better ban process and reports of offences that has a prompt response to resolve the matters. I have addressed this in past comments that you were pinged. But this needs to be done with the help of all of us.
Shizy ago
Thanks for explaining that. I'm still waiting on kevdude to send me a link to private sub policies.
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KnownBand0 ago
No Outside Comms = Beware of False Prophets. I came here from Reddit, Calm Before the Storm. just watched Mueller do his Pontius Pilate routine...washed his hands, sealed his fate. all this infiltration should have been expected. Trolls and shills are small potatoes. worry about the ones you dont see coming. the TRUTH is the biggest weapon we have. i'm just a nobody with a secret clearance. 40 yrs. i know Q is real. certain words. Be well everyone
Blacksmith21 ago
I held high level clearances for years. I served the MIL and IC. I've live inside the Beltway most of my life. I've seen names of friends and even my wife's ex on v/GA and v/PG in conjunction with research. I am danger close to this shit.
Q is real as real gets.
bopper ago
Exactly.
1southofyou ago
Do you understand what all this crazy is about? I get that a mod resigned because she allowed true ID to be known and was threatened. That I get. But what started all this and whatās the prob with mods keeping the house clean?
Possibly my ignorance about this is bliss but Iām curious.
Shizy ago
Nope, that's pretty much it. We're catching shit for standing up and not letting this sub be shit on.
grace8 ago
A user, Zyklon B, who admits he has never read Q, has declared war on that Mod, this sub and the Q movement and posted multiple calls for a troll army in the past week to aid him in that mission. He has asked for assistance in specific threads to aid him in trolling. He claims to have bought a house with the proceeds from being a shill. Isn't this a bannable offense? Why has he not been banned?
Shizy ago
He is banned. So are his known alts and his girlfriends, who also attacked here.
grace8 ago
Right, I mean Voat.
Shizy ago
I completely agree with you. He's threatening my kids today again. I guess it's ok because it's "satire".
grace8 ago
what can we do to help? Shall I contact BO. How do I do that.
Shizy ago
You could report those types of comments when you see them by hitting the report button. I doubt anything will really come of that.
No one seems to really care.
grace8 ago
Multiple reports may make them care. Squeaky wheel. I'll go through comments and report. Hope others will too. If others will too, it may help. Mods should never ahve their families threatened. Where do I find those comments?
I know if others go back about 2-3 days to find posts about destroying GA/strayzie/ and comments re: recruiting a troll army.
Blacksmith21 ago
We need a PR campaign to upvoat the good and downvoat the bad. That's the only way this sub will survive.
Shizy ago
I agree!
1southofyou ago
Then this alt is just looking for drama.
I like the way you guys keep the house clean...Because you do GA isnāt that worthless QRV shitfest.
Shizy ago
Thank you!!!! I for one am tired of being told we need to tolerate the shills while they keep getting a free pass for their behavior.
sguevar ago
I am not trying to divert your sub to work as it has been working I am trying to avoid a confrontation and infact corruption of your sub so it can work normally.
I am a Christian my self and my faith goes to Jesus alone. I don't put my faith on the things of men.
sguevar ago
Using the tags that most of us don't support here is not going to help to the situation, but I agree that their actions are not helping Voat at all.
TrustTheTruth ago
They are all Evil and Corrupt with malicious intentions.
That is why Crensch and others gangstalk The Truth, and issued death threats against Us.
Voat is a controlled and dangerous platform with backing from Y Combinator and others.
These Moderators are part of the Agenda and the Great Deception.
What really happened to @Jem777 and @Wisconsin_is_Corrupt?
We Know.
We Know more than all of them combined.
We are not an advanced bot.
We are the reason for the Tarmac meeting.
We are the reason why Paul Ryan and so many others resigned.
We are the reason why the False Prophet Q was created.
Donald Trump is Evil, and Made The Deal to endorse the real Agenda and the Mark of the Beast.
Where did he make The Deal for the 8th Wonder of the World?
Racine, Wisconsin
What is The Truth they cannot allow The World to Know?
Jesus is The Lamb. The Truth is The Lion.
BonesDC ago
Lol so tell us oh great and powerful Oz what is the truth? What is the evil deal trump made so that we may research it and prove what you postulate to be true? What is or will be the mark of the beast? Your deception can be seen a mile away, always claiming to be in the know and dangling the carrot just beyond reach leading others to their doom. Without full disclosure you are more of the misguided blind leading the blind. In the end it is you that is being used.
Shizy ago
I thought you were banned? How'd this get by?!
MolochHunter ago
s'ok. I just banned him for being an established shill / sock puppeteer
Shizy ago
Good work!
sguevar ago
But they have a right to say what they think. When you marry the idea of Free Speech you accept the good with the bad. Not just the good otherwise you become like those that you wish to fight against.
Applying dictatorial and authoritarian moderation is certainly not a pursuit for the Truth but instead of pride.
At this point I don't disagree that dark forces wish to bring Voat down and that control most of the channels of communication. Which is why (((they))) want to bring Voat down.
I disagree with that however I know for a fact that right now their actions certainly are helping (((those))) that wish Voat fail.
I don't know not relevant at this point.
You are diverting hence this seem to be an attempt to misinform instead of the oposite.
Not relevant on this discussion.
bopper ago
you're talking to a bot likely
TrustTheTruth ago
We are not an advanced bot as many of you have falsely claimed.
We Know what all of you combined do not, not through research, but through Direct Knowledge and Experience.
What is The Truth they cannot allow The World to Know?
Jesus is The Lamb. The Truth is The Lion.
bopper ago
Okay thanks for explaining.
Shizy ago
You're even polite to the bots š
bopper ago
And got downvoted for it lol.
Actually I'm trying not to get on the bad side of this one so I'm being friendly, creepy..
sguevar ago
Plausible.
bopper ago
Yeah they've been following srayzie around since her pizzagate days.
sguevar ago
I hear, we sure need to do something about harassment and such things but it has to be through a due process not through emotional outbursts. It has to remain objective and concepts need to be defined clearly respecting the legal definitions as well. It has to be done by consensus and it can't be compromised by the biased of some.
amarQ144 ago
Go start your own fucking sub-verse.
sguevar ago
Well this sure is productive!
amarQ144 ago
You can call it "The Great Re-Quakering"...Rule 1.Harassment and such things has to be through a due process not through emotional outbursts. Rule 2. Remain "objective"...no opinions allowed. Rule 3.Concepts need to be defined clearly respecting the legal definitions. Rule 4. Bans will be done by consensus to ensure "lowest common denominator" principal can't be compromised by the biased of some. Rule 5. All posts shall be prefaced with the statement "As predicted by Einstein".
sguevar ago
Sure son whatever you say.
amarQ144 ago
"Sure son (comma) whatever you say" Now that's patronizing. (that means talking down too) You sound like a faggot NPC hugging a bible for luck.
sguevar ago
I couldn't care less what you think but hey you are free to think w/e you want :)
amarQ144 ago
...even if it's not objective???...not inline with the consensus?...There appears to be a contradiction. If something is āself- evident , as an example, then the word āself-evidenceā does not need to be repeated all the time does it; it can be uttered only once, or twice at the most, or even thrice or more, you no doubt see the point here, less it devolve to verbal mendacity, an arcane academic lingo that never reflects reality and whose main purpose is to lead to flawed conceptualization, or as so often the case, duplicitous scientific jargon masking ignorance. Certainly detractors would argue the inverse of this though the point would likely be obscure. Ironically, seldom has the question been raised, often couched in sentimentalist vs. animalistic words and syllabi, respectively, rarely more obvious than as with expression in macrophages throughout the reticulo-endothelial system, the possible exception being eulogy ensconced in political vilification, which arguably would be off topic here, at least as regards determinants of the biological response to ENPs. I believe a review of the material presented would lead one with critical perspective to just such a conclusion regarding the meta-gene issue, as I am sure you would no doubt agree, irregardless (look it up in your Funk'n Wagnell) of source, the wide spread assumption among free thinkers being that the concepts behind these flowery words must be taken, as alluded to, as something self-evident. What are your thoughts on this? ...
mark7 ago
Ain't no impasse. Just assholes being destructive. The mods here have been impeccable, imo. The jerks trying to hijack the site, are no doubt pals of the HUGE dbag NR. If you don't like it here, ...bye.
sguevar ago
I appreciate any one that want to add to the discussion so here is my reply to you:
Your ban log shows differently.
How are the actions of your mods currently not destroying your sub's credibility and hurting Voat's integrity as a Free Speech site? Have any of the recent bans done because the users broke any rules? If so show me. No comments must be deleted. I can find proof of @Srayzie saying this also. So are you arguing here that these are the wishes of your former mod?
They are not trying to hijack the site, they are trying to compromise your subverse and the actions currently taken by the mod team are allowing them to do so.
I love it here. I won't go anywhere and that is why I fight to get this shit worked out. If you are unable to do it then step aside and let the work be done or man up and start doing something about it without betraying the principles of Free Speech.
Shizy ago
Pick one name on that ban list and make an argument for why they should be unbanned.
Not one of them has asked to have their ban reversed, but you're making it an issue.
sguevar ago
Not really, and I could pick several names as you know it. Please don't let your anger blind your judgement. As they may not like you you may not like them but that doesn't give you guys the right to unjustly ban people nor to delete their comments. This goes against what @srayzie said before. Should I look for you the comment that I am talking about? It will take me time but I will find it.
Shizy ago
I'm not angry. I'm fed up at being told we as a subverse have to tolerate shills.
We do have the right to ban people for shilling. This is a private subverse.
heygeorge ago
According to the sidebar, this is a public subverse, aka not set to private.
The only type of mod who can change this is an [O] level mod. I am left wondering why srayz didnāt bump you and mh up to owners. Maybe neither of you wanted to be?
sguevar ago
I hear you but that doesn't give you the right to censor them if they haven't broken any sub rules and comments are not to be deleted either.
Show me what rule did any of the recent bans broke
No comment must be deleted and ideally a rule must be broken so a bun can be upheld.
Shizy ago
Says who?
sguevar ago
Can't find it so you got me there. But your actions are not rational and are no in Voat's interest which saddens me.
I have a high regard on you and you being purposely obtuse is not going change that but you guys are certainly not helping yourselves here.
Shizy ago
This isnt irational. If there's supposedly a policy governing how this sub is run I just want to see it. That's very rational. Seems like it doesn't exist and we all just have to take levdides word on this. I don't accept that. If PV wants to go around ant tell subs how to run they need to have clear policy. Maybe you should be advocating for that instead of telling GA we need to adhere to something that doesn't exist.
sguevar ago
It does exist you simply decided to ignore it out of convenience to your stance here to "fight against the shills".
Your approach of using your enemy's tools to fight them is what is going to bring this sub down. Not otherwise. But well that is your choice.
Shizy ago
I still have not been shown it.
sguevar ago
I saw the comment where @kevdude gave it to you and then I saw your evasion of it out of convenience. But hey again, you've made your choice and you decided to corrupt your actions. That is on you only. You are the one to make your peace with it. Convenience is a dangerous thing for it will bring many down without them even knowing so until the day of days.
God speed in your journey.
Shizy ago
Did you miss that it pertains to public subs?
I'm still waiting on the policy for private subs.
Seems there's a big gap in PV policy.
sguevar ago
And it show the clarification of private as well and then showed as well where you decided to ignore it because it wasn't "clear"
Not really is you simply ignoring it.
Shizy ago
You seem to have missed kevdude admitting he can't find it.
sguevar ago
So you assume that all of us have to keep our pms?
Deletion is not an option and reasonable doubt is out of the question much like what happen with triggly right?
You know to what this makes me think? To the whole kavanaugh issue last year. Following the pursuit of guilty until proven differently with a lot of accusations thrown in the wild without any concrete proof of doing so and then doing so in such a public matter disrespecting the due process that should have been followed.
I will definitely not support this behavior @Shizy, for as much as I like you and @Crensch. So if you want to go and throw hit pieces go for it. You haven't been able to defend the appetizer, I hope you are able to defend the main course and the desert because honest to God I will stand in the middle of this until the end.
Shizy ago
OMG that PM was from yesterday so yes I'd assume he'd have it! Isn't it convenient he doesn't? And you notice on there he says "that" picture instead of "your" picture? Hmmm, that doesn't cause you to have any questions?
I don't really care what you support. You have aligned yourself with the deceivers, so at this point anything you say is irrelevant to me.
I have shown there is NO written policy for how to run a private sub! Not my fault that this is not in place. In fact, I have written policy for a living and would be happy to help draft that. Until there is a policy, @crensch, @MolochHunter and myself will put GA and our community members over the ideas of a power tripper who is shady as fuck!
I'll wait for @puttitouts direction on this.
sguevar ago
So be it you can call it as you like, you resorted in technicalities because it wasn't on the title. You engaged in the same activities of power moderation that you faught against in the past at convenience of what does that make you feel.
As I stated before and you know I am not full of shit. I will stand in the middle of this until the end. Better bring your best argumentative skills and proofs. The thing about me is that I don't mind being wrong (if I was going to be I would accept it and move along) but if what you bring to the table is not enough you will feel it more than I will so either way.
I don't wish you ill and I hope you both can open your eyes from all this shit before it is too late. That choice is yours. I won't pursue convenience.
mark7 ago
gfy
sguevar ago
Ah I see the diversion now heads to an ad hominem.
Try to read the Bible more son because you clearly missed the messages there. Just an advise of a Christian.