I am here asking for a conversation that can be seen by all. including your members as an attempt to fix things here.
Please state your points, lets avoid childish ad hominem and angry comments. I am pleading for your objectivity here even if you all feel betrayed and angry.
Let's find a common ground that we can start working on. I am doing this in the best interest of your subverse and of Voat as a whole. Please lets discuss what is going on here and in calmed way.
If you feel the need to vent so be it. I don't blame you for it but know that I am not here to sow discord nor trying to bring you down nor your sub. I believe in all you four. I ask of you to believe in me here.
(Though I know why you are doing what you are doing I still need to argue directly to each of your points - https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/banned)
Let us break this current impasse for everyone's sake.
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Podingo7 ago
My.02 cents about the situation is this: the mods here kept a great sub where like minded ppl gathered and discussed issues and research..i never saw a person with a legitimate debate to a post(s) were banned for their opinion..obviously, GA has a different view of what free speech is productive ( open debates where all views are welcome), but free speech by one/few ppl to post porn, hatred, disrupting the board, and harass mods by posting personal info, and threats to harm, is unproductive..why should evil minded ppl get to decide that their perverse idea of free speech is a better definition of 1st amendment that of those who dont want see or hear that shit...there are other subs who dont care, so it shows their evil intent by coming here and disrupting..i dont mind down voting/debating something i do not agree with, but i shouldn't have to sort through a ton of shit posts because someone else their rights are greater than mine...
sguevar ago
I don't disagree with you there. I care for your mods I truly do. But if you check your ban log and the reasons as well as the comments that are being deleted you will see that they are just so because of hurt feelings nothing more nothing less. No rule was broken and the comments shouldn't have been deleted either.
I personally don't considered porn free speech that to me is a simple (((jew in the letter))) claim.
As per SCOTUS hate speech = free speech and I stand by that. You don't get to censor it just because you don't like it and I know @Crensch thinks the same way.
I agree here and regarding the posts that break the rules the ban can be upheld. Regarding the harassment we sure need to work on a new process that addresses such matters but it has to be a due process and objective as we are much better than the mainstream media is. We cant risk falling into the same mistakes.
It is not but it is based on the notion provided by the SCOTUS so they also have a right to speak their mind. If you don't like it downvote and move on but do not pursue their censorship because then you are using the same tools of the people that you fight against.
Agreed and no their rights are not greater, they are equal. If it was you on that list I would defend you equally.
Podingo7 ago
I appreciate the reply and explanations, but SCOTUS doesn't run this sub, the mods and majority opinion of subscribers should be able to set the boundaries as to content..of course, i am not saying because someone gets feelings hurt, the person should get banned...however, its like SCOTUS rulings that leave laws up to each state's residents to decide what to ban(recently abortion laws). Same rule should apply here..if SCOTUS ruled that each American family must take in an illegal alien and pay for all their cost, would you not feel invaded and your equal rights violated by something you dont agree with?
sguevar ago
Completely agree with you there. This is why the subs have to set up their rules and if a rule is broken then they can decide to ban or to warn. That is up to the sub. But comment deletion shouldn't be a thing because that is not floading the sub with unproductive content but allowing people to express themselves. Obviously there are exceptions to that.
Let me put a simple example here:
I have a sub myself (that I admit haven't posted much on it for quite a while) - CostaRicaPuraVida
If someone posted something like sguevar is a POS costarican there then it regards the sub main topic. Yes I probably wouldn't like it and downvote and move on but I wouldn't delete the post.
If someone posted a comment alike I would apply the same deal. This is why downvotes and upvotes are important. It shouldn't be left only to the mods to determine the relevance of a post or a comment but banning someone for posting a "hurtful" thing on their sub and then banning them without them braking any rule that is quite the over reach of their task.
Either way it appears that your mods have made their choice already which saddens me because I know their work and I respect them but resorting in the same behavior that they faught against in the past is like "calling it quits".
This is not going to help your sub thrive and I personally wouldn't want that to happen, even if I am not a Q follower myself.