I am here asking for a conversation that can be seen by all. including your members as an attempt to fix things here.
Please state your points, lets avoid childish ad hominem and angry comments. I am pleading for your objectivity here even if you all feel betrayed and angry.
Let's find a common ground that we can start working on. I am doing this in the best interest of your subverse and of Voat as a whole. Please lets discuss what is going on here and in calmed way.
If you feel the need to vent so be it. I don't blame you for it but know that I am not here to sow discord nor trying to bring you down nor your sub. I believe in all you four. I ask of you to believe in me here.
(Though I know why you are doing what you are doing I still need to argue directly to each of your points - https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/about/log/banned)
Let us break this current impasse for everyone's sake.
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mark7 ago
Ain't no impasse. Just assholes being destructive. The mods here have been impeccable, imo. The jerks trying to hijack the site, are no doubt pals of the HUGE dbag NR. If you don't like it here, ...bye.
sguevar ago
I appreciate any one that want to add to the discussion so here is my reply to you:
Your ban log shows differently.
How are the actions of your mods currently not destroying your sub's credibility and hurting Voat's integrity as a Free Speech site? Have any of the recent bans done because the users broke any rules? If so show me. No comments must be deleted. I can find proof of @Srayzie saying this also. So are you arguing here that these are the wishes of your former mod?
They are not trying to hijack the site, they are trying to compromise your subverse and the actions currently taken by the mod team are allowing them to do so.
I love it here. I won't go anywhere and that is why I fight to get this shit worked out. If you are unable to do it then step aside and let the work be done or man up and start doing something about it without betraying the principles of Free Speech.
Shizy ago
Pick one name on that ban list and make an argument for why they should be unbanned.
Not one of them has asked to have their ban reversed, but you're making it an issue.
sguevar ago
Not really, and I could pick several names as you know it. Please don't let your anger blind your judgement. As they may not like you you may not like them but that doesn't give you guys the right to unjustly ban people nor to delete their comments. This goes against what @srayzie said before. Should I look for you the comment that I am talking about? It will take me time but I will find it.
Shizy ago
I'm not angry. I'm fed up at being told we as a subverse have to tolerate shills.
We do have the right to ban people for shilling. This is a private subverse.
heygeorge ago
According to the sidebar, this is a public subverse, aka not set to private.
The only type of mod who can change this is an [O] level mod. I am left wondering why srayz didn’t bump you and mh up to owners. Maybe neither of you wanted to be?
sguevar ago
I hear you but that doesn't give you the right to censor them if they haven't broken any sub rules and comments are not to be deleted either.
Show me what rule did any of the recent bans broke
No comment must be deleted and ideally a rule must be broken so a bun can be upheld.
Shizy ago
Says who?
sguevar ago
Can't find it so you got me there. But your actions are not rational and are no in Voat's interest which saddens me.
I have a high regard on you and you being purposely obtuse is not going change that but you guys are certainly not helping yourselves here.
Shizy ago
This isnt irational. If there's supposedly a policy governing how this sub is run I just want to see it. That's very rational. Seems like it doesn't exist and we all just have to take levdides word on this. I don't accept that. If PV wants to go around ant tell subs how to run they need to have clear policy. Maybe you should be advocating for that instead of telling GA we need to adhere to something that doesn't exist.
sguevar ago
It does exist you simply decided to ignore it out of convenience to your stance here to "fight against the shills".
Your approach of using your enemy's tools to fight them is what is going to bring this sub down. Not otherwise. But well that is your choice.
Shizy ago
I still have not been shown it.
sguevar ago
I saw the comment where @kevdude gave it to you and then I saw your evasion of it out of convenience. But hey again, you've made your choice and you decided to corrupt your actions. That is on you only. You are the one to make your peace with it. Convenience is a dangerous thing for it will bring many down without them even knowing so until the day of days.
God speed in your journey.
Shizy ago
Did you miss that it pertains to public subs?
I'm still waiting on the policy for private subs.
Seems there's a big gap in PV policy.
sguevar ago
And it show the clarification of private as well and then showed as well where you decided to ignore it because it wasn't "clear"
Not really is you simply ignoring it.
Shizy ago
You seem to have missed kevdude admitting he can't find it.
sguevar ago
So you assume that all of us have to keep our pms?
Deletion is not an option and reasonable doubt is out of the question much like what happen with triggly right?
You know to what this makes me think? To the whole kavanaugh issue last year. Following the pursuit of guilty until proven differently with a lot of accusations thrown in the wild without any concrete proof of doing so and then doing so in such a public matter disrespecting the due process that should have been followed.
I will definitely not support this behavior @Shizy, for as much as I like you and @Crensch. So if you want to go and throw hit pieces go for it. You haven't been able to defend the appetizer, I hope you are able to defend the main course and the desert because honest to God I will stand in the middle of this until the end.
Shizy ago
OMG that PM was from yesterday so yes I'd assume he'd have it! Isn't it convenient he doesn't? And you notice on there he says "that" picture instead of "your" picture? Hmmm, that doesn't cause you to have any questions?
I don't really care what you support. You have aligned yourself with the deceivers, so at this point anything you say is irrelevant to me.
I have shown there is NO written policy for how to run a private sub! Not my fault that this is not in place. In fact, I have written policy for a living and would be happy to help draft that. Until there is a policy, @crensch, @MolochHunter and myself will put GA and our community members over the ideas of a power tripper who is shady as fuck!
I'll wait for @puttitouts direction on this.
sguevar ago
So be it you can call it as you like, you resorted in technicalities because it wasn't on the title. You engaged in the same activities of power moderation that you faught against in the past at convenience of what does that make you feel.
As I stated before and you know I am not full of shit. I will stand in the middle of this until the end. Better bring your best argumentative skills and proofs. The thing about me is that I don't mind being wrong (if I was going to be I would accept it and move along) but if what you bring to the table is not enough you will feel it more than I will so either way.
I don't wish you ill and I hope you both can open your eyes from all this shit before it is too late. That choice is yours. I won't pursue convenience.