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thewebofslime ago

It is impossible for me to know because most of the attacking is insults, not a presentation of facts. Either way, why in the world would I care about it 5 months later? Why not just make a presentation of facts and leave it at that? What is the purpose of going after them repeatedly for months on end? It is a waste of everyone's time.

Given that I was falsely accused of being a shill by these same people, how is it possible for me to know whether they are telling the truth or not about other potential shills who all seem to share a common thread... they don't support Q.

I am not taking a position on EsotericShade's shill status, I'm saying the way it is handled destroys any credibility because people who aren't shills are handled exactly the same way.

If we are talking about faking a consensus, that is exactly what this group of mods does by pinging their friends on everything they disagree with. If the mods are pushing a Q agenda... then we are looking at the same shoe on two different feet. They've been sliding by using outrage and "shill hunting" to slide, themselves.

They are literally no different than who they are attacking.

sguevar ago

What would be your position on the way then that the GA sub has taken to banhammer those that they don't like?

I was one of the people that didn't like your previous posts and I publicly admit I am quite tempted to downvoting for the mere distrust I have on you but given the fact that I find this particular exposé interesting, indulge me with an answer on this.

Let's say you are right, let's say they engage in the Outrage strategy. What purpose does it have to shut down the dialogue from their sub directly? I have some considerations after reading your post but do want to see what you come up with.

thewebofslime ago

To disillusion readers.

The target is most often not the people who are bantering back and forth. The juiciest target are the people who just read and never say anything. There are more of them, than anything else.

I think a good mod would not have done it and I think an experienced mod would have known it would cause outrage.

I also think that if you want to run a subverse in a crappy manner, then people will quickly start to drop off. Nature will take it's course. If I were site admin, I would do nothing. If I were Kevdude, I would say something because it is bad behavior. At this point, I have never had any desire to be responsible over any Internet community and I, personally, leave insults directed at me intact. I am saying what my opinion is because not only did I predict this, I wrote an article all about it before it happened.

Which of my previous posts do you question? I am happy to discuss it, I just gave up explaining because all of my evidence was countered with ad hominem attacks and going nowhere.

The ultimate goal will be to crush the pizzagate movement. Pizzagate has 2 week old posts on its front page. It is dying. It is losing momentum. The recent move in /v/GreatAwakening will have the same effect. In fact, by dragging /v/QRV into the mud, we can expect psychological momentum to slow there, as well.

Mueller just got up on TV and said Trump is not exonerated and the media needed this to keep THEIR momentum. This is all managed under one umbrella. It only takes one stubborn researcher to force the media machine to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to counter a few choice facts. Twitter just banned someone for connecting Antifa to journalists. Just one conversation with a lawyer about that ban costs thousands of dollars.

It is cheaper to pay minimum wage shills who attract followers who can run off good researchers for practically free.

TheMystic ago

The target is most often not the people who are bantering back and forth. The juiciest target are the people who just read and never say anything. There are more of them, than anything else.

As a mostly lurker, let me just say this statement is so spot on!

Been following pizzagate and Q since the beginning of both movements and come here to read up on things. There are a lot of us, just because we don't contribute much doesn't mean we aren't part of the community. I have been keeping up on the latest drama, here are my two cents.

Pizzagate started off great, lots of posts, submissions and some of the best researchers. Not anymore it is a graveyard there. Why?

The rigid submission rules. I get that may have been needed when PG was getting numerous submissions a day and quality content was getting lost in the noise but that is far from the case now. What are they getting 2-3 posts a day?. A new user will come in and immediately be chastised because they don't have a link or the post doesn't spell out how it is linked to pizzagate. It turns off people to wanting to submit anything there.

The constant drama and "shillhunting" makes you feel like you will be under intense scrutiny if you post there. Is my account old enough? Do I have enough ccp points? etc.

It is very clear there is a cool and established set of goats and outsiders are looked at as shills. I have never traded a pm with anyone here at Voat, I'm not here to make internet fweinds, I'm here to hopefully read some good info and news I won't find anywhere else as I don't have the time to comb through the shit on the chans.

I noticed a few months back Great Awakening was going down the drama road too. Long winded stickies of how the sub and mods were under attack, the latest NeonRevolt shit etc. Srayzie always had some "shill" or something else she was fighting. It became exhausting and after awhile I tuned it out but this latest crap has been hard to ignore, at this point I would feel very uncomfortable ever posting anything there that went against the grain as I feel I would be labeled a shill and banned. IMO Great Awakening will go the same way of pizzagate if the mods continue down the path they are on.

ESOTERICshade ago

I could not have said it better myself. v/pizzagate was awesome. One of the best research sites on the internet. I know, because I participated. These days....naahhhh...@crensch and @vindicator ran it into the damn ground. Ask them why its not as good and they will say "because "shills" like esotericshade ran it into the ground with blah blah blah blah....


They have endless excuses. My bitch with the admin on the pizzagate sub was that Q is NOT a part of pizzagate, and it is NOT pizzagate. Those two are not the same. I tried to keep them seperate and I caught hell for it. The Qanon psyop is the is the Q thing and pizzagate is pizzagate. They was NOT gonna agree with me on that premise. Now, i'm a "shill" for demanding pizzagate purity. I don't know if it is ignorance on their part, or if they get paid, or if they are just control freaks, or just stupid, I don't know. They totally fucked up pizzagate though.

TheMystic ago

Yes, I do remember you from pizzagate and have seen the sticky about you there. I'm not familiar with all that happened but it was very apparent you ticked off the mods, but you did have some very interesting posts at times. I did hate the fighting about Q all the time, it became a big focus there for awhile and drug the sub down imo.

I myself follow Q and I completely understand that it was for the best that the two movements needed to be discussed separately. I never posted anything Q in pizzagate. I could never understand though some users hostile reactions towards it. To me it would seem that any sort of big movement that gets the so called normies awake and questioning the media, government etc. is a good thing. Many people who a year or so ago would of brushed most of this stuff as conspiracy theories are coming here wanting to look into these things and are hungry for knowledge, we shouldn't be mocking them and calling them boomer qtards, we should be taking them under our wings. The more people on our side the better.

That said I would never attack or downvote anyone that thinks Q is a fraud. I don't want be in a reddit bubble, I will never stand on the Q hill ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Part of the problem we see all the time are people who won't ever look into the possibility they may be wrong and don't want their beliefs challenged. Challenge me, but in a constructive way, not by belittling and mocking.

Anyways, it is just sad to see pizzagate and great awakening being torn down .I learned so much from pizzagate, that sub in it's prime was the best place for info on the internet. There are still a few good researchers that have hung in there and I still check in weekly. I'm not sure all what happened and I'm not trying to blame the mods entirely for it either. I just think the constant drama and fighting tends to scare people away is all.

I'm starting to think the way of the chans and QRV is the way to go. Being a complete anon takes away the ego you might develop on being an "important" poster and also reduces the chances of cliques forming.

NOMOCHOMO ago

I could never understand though some users hostile reactions towards it.

People like me were hostile to it, because I understand the need for submission guidelines. But Q posts clearly didn't meet that justifiably high standard. It's not a criticism of Q per se. It's just the reality that Q is an anonymous intelligence operation, yet his claims were automatically "verified" by past "proofs"

To me it would seem that any sort of big movement that gets the so called normies awake and questioning the media, government etc. is a good thing.

Is it Awake? or a New Matrix of Control

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TheMystic ago

I see your points. I never had a problem with keeping pizzagate and Q separate and I can see how it would be irritating to have it continually brought up on pizzagate.

One thing in Q's approach I like is the way everything is framed as a question. It gets people thinking, doing their own research and looking into how people, companies and events are connected etc. He doesn't really give you the answers but leads you down the road into looking into and finding things out for yourself. Sort of helping people get back their critical thinking skills, instead of just relying on the media propaganda.

The problem is that some followers instead are latching onto certain personalities within the Q movement and relying on and believing every decode that is "solved" and fed to them. That is where it is becoming dangerous. I wish humanity would quit making the mistake of always thinking they need a damn leader and believing someone else is more enlightened and smarter than them, so they must be followed and listened too. Example: JFK Jr. is alive you all because someone in the Q movement told me so. Cringe!

Also, I will admit that "Trust the Plan" does sound cultish.

NOMOCHOMO ago

One thing in Q's approach I like is the way everything is framed as a question

except it isn't. Q also posts pictures. One in particular that was allowed on Pizzagate but didn't meet submission standards was the "Guardians of the Pedophiles" poster and Q posts re: James Gunn.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2831906/14829265

Now I def think James Gunn is relevant to pizzagate, but a boomer-tier meme was elevated to some kind of "prophetic vision"

"Trust the Plan" does sound cultish.

it is cultish