In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
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thewebofslime ago
It is impossible for me to know because most of the attacking is insults, not a presentation of facts. Either way, why in the world would I care about it 5 months later? Why not just make a presentation of facts and leave it at that? What is the purpose of going after them repeatedly for months on end? It is a waste of everyone's time.
Given that I was falsely accused of being a shill by these same people, how is it possible for me to know whether they are telling the truth or not about other potential shills who all seem to share a common thread... they don't support Q.
I am not taking a position on EsotericShade's shill status, I'm saying the way it is handled destroys any credibility because people who aren't shills are handled exactly the same way.
If we are talking about faking a consensus, that is exactly what this group of mods does by pinging their friends on everything they disagree with. If the mods are pushing a Q agenda... then we are looking at the same shoe on two different feet. They've been sliding by using outrage and "shill hunting" to slide, themselves.
They are literally no different than who they are attacking.
sguevar ago
What would be your position on the way then that the GA sub has taken to banhammer those that they don't like?
I was one of the people that didn't like your previous posts and I publicly admit I am quite tempted to downvoting for the mere distrust I have on you but given the fact that I find this particular exposé interesting, indulge me with an answer on this.
Let's say you are right, let's say they engage in the Outrage strategy. What purpose does it have to shut down the dialogue from their sub directly? I have some considerations after reading your post but do want to see what you come up with.
thewebofslime ago
To disillusion readers.
The target is most often not the people who are bantering back and forth. The juiciest target are the people who just read and never say anything. There are more of them, than anything else.
I think a good mod would not have done it and I think an experienced mod would have known it would cause outrage.
I also think that if you want to run a subverse in a crappy manner, then people will quickly start to drop off. Nature will take it's course. If I were site admin, I would do nothing. If I were Kevdude, I would say something because it is bad behavior. At this point, I have never had any desire to be responsible over any Internet community and I, personally, leave insults directed at me intact. I am saying what my opinion is because not only did I predict this, I wrote an article all about it before it happened.
Which of my previous posts do you question? I am happy to discuss it, I just gave up explaining because all of my evidence was countered with ad hominem attacks and going nowhere.
The ultimate goal will be to crush the pizzagate movement. Pizzagate has 2 week old posts on its front page. It is dying. It is losing momentum. The recent move in /v/GreatAwakening will have the same effect. In fact, by dragging /v/QRV into the mud, we can expect psychological momentum to slow there, as well.
Mueller just got up on TV and said Trump is not exonerated and the media needed this to keep THEIR momentum. This is all managed under one umbrella. It only takes one stubborn researcher to force the media machine to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to counter a few choice facts. Twitter just banned someone for connecting Antifa to journalists. Just one conversation with a lawyer about that ban costs thousands of dollars.
It is cheaper to pay minimum wage shills who attract followers who can run off good researchers for practically free.
TheMystic ago
As a mostly lurker, let me just say this statement is so spot on!
Been following pizzagate and Q since the beginning of both movements and come here to read up on things. There are a lot of us, just because we don't contribute much doesn't mean we aren't part of the community. I have been keeping up on the latest drama, here are my two cents.
Pizzagate started off great, lots of posts, submissions and some of the best researchers. Not anymore it is a graveyard there. Why?
The rigid submission rules. I get that may have been needed when PG was getting numerous submissions a day and quality content was getting lost in the noise but that is far from the case now. What are they getting 2-3 posts a day?. A new user will come in and immediately be chastised because they don't have a link or the post doesn't spell out how it is linked to pizzagate. It turns off people to wanting to submit anything there.
The constant drama and "shillhunting" makes you feel like you will be under intense scrutiny if you post there. Is my account old enough? Do I have enough ccp points? etc.
It is very clear there is a cool and established set of goats and outsiders are looked at as shills. I have never traded a pm with anyone here at Voat, I'm not here to make internet fweinds, I'm here to hopefully read some good info and news I won't find anywhere else as I don't have the time to comb through the shit on the chans.
I noticed a few months back Great Awakening was going down the drama road too. Long winded stickies of how the sub and mods were under attack, the latest NeonRevolt shit etc. Srayzie always had some "shill" or something else she was fighting. It became exhausting and after awhile I tuned it out but this latest crap has been hard to ignore, at this point I would feel very uncomfortable ever posting anything there that went against the grain as I feel I would be labeled a shill and banned. IMO Great Awakening will go the same way of pizzagate if the mods continue down the path they are on.
ESOTERICshade ago
I could not have said it better myself. v/pizzagate was awesome. One of the best research sites on the internet. I know, because I participated. These days....naahhhh...@crensch and @vindicator ran it into the damn ground. Ask them why its not as good and they will say "because "shills" like esotericshade ran it into the ground with blah blah blah blah....
They have endless excuses. My bitch with the admin on the pizzagate sub was that Q is NOT a part of pizzagate, and it is NOT pizzagate. Those two are not the same. I tried to keep them seperate and I caught hell for it. The Qanon psyop is the is the Q thing and pizzagate is pizzagate. They was NOT gonna agree with me on that premise. Now, i'm a "shill" for demanding pizzagate purity. I don't know if it is ignorance on their part, or if they get paid, or if they are just control freaks, or just stupid, I don't know. They totally fucked up pizzagate though.
TheMystic ago
Yes, I do remember you from pizzagate and have seen the sticky about you there. I'm not familiar with all that happened but it was very apparent you ticked off the mods, but you did have some very interesting posts at times. I did hate the fighting about Q all the time, it became a big focus there for awhile and drug the sub down imo.
I myself follow Q and I completely understand that it was for the best that the two movements needed to be discussed separately. I never posted anything Q in pizzagate. I could never understand though some users hostile reactions towards it. To me it would seem that any sort of big movement that gets the so called normies awake and questioning the media, government etc. is a good thing. Many people who a year or so ago would of brushed most of this stuff as conspiracy theories are coming here wanting to look into these things and are hungry for knowledge, we shouldn't be mocking them and calling them boomer qtards, we should be taking them under our wings. The more people on our side the better.
That said I would never attack or downvote anyone that thinks Q is a fraud. I don't want be in a reddit bubble, I will never stand on the Q hill ignoring any evidence to the contrary. Part of the problem we see all the time are people who won't ever look into the possibility they may be wrong and don't want their beliefs challenged. Challenge me, but in a constructive way, not by belittling and mocking.
Anyways, it is just sad to see pizzagate and great awakening being torn down .I learned so much from pizzagate, that sub in it's prime was the best place for info on the internet. There are still a few good researchers that have hung in there and I still check in weekly. I'm not sure all what happened and I'm not trying to blame the mods entirely for it either. I just think the constant drama and fighting tends to scare people away is all.
I'm starting to think the way of the chans and QRV is the way to go. Being a complete anon takes away the ego you might develop on being an "important" poster and also reduces the chances of cliques forming.
NOMOCHOMO ago
People like me were hostile to it, because I understand the need for submission guidelines. But Q posts clearly didn't meet that justifiably high standard. It's not a criticism of Q per se. It's just the reality that Q is an anonymous intelligence operation, yet his claims were automatically "verified" by past "proofs"
Is it Awake? or a New Matrix of Control
TheMystic ago
I see your points. I never had a problem with keeping pizzagate and Q separate and I can see how it would be irritating to have it continually brought up on pizzagate.
One thing in Q's approach I like is the way everything is framed as a question. It gets people thinking, doing their own research and looking into how people, companies and events are connected etc. He doesn't really give you the answers but leads you down the road into looking into and finding things out for yourself. Sort of helping people get back their critical thinking skills, instead of just relying on the media propaganda.
The problem is that some followers instead are latching onto certain personalities within the Q movement and relying on and believing every decode that is "solved" and fed to them. That is where it is becoming dangerous. I wish humanity would quit making the mistake of always thinking they need a damn leader and believing someone else is more enlightened and smarter than them, so they must be followed and listened too. Example: JFK Jr. is alive you all because someone in the Q movement told me so. Cringe!
Also, I will admit that "Trust the Plan" does sound cultish.
NOMOCHOMO ago
except it isn't. Q also posts pictures. One in particular that was allowed on Pizzagate but didn't meet submission standards was the "Guardians of the Pedophiles" poster and Q posts re: James Gunn.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2831906/14829265
Now I def think James Gunn is relevant to pizzagate, but a boomer-tier meme was elevated to some kind of "prophetic vision"
it is cultish
ESOTERICshade ago
It was pretty simple. Pizzagate is pizzagate, and Qanon is Qanon. If we mixed those two together, pizzagate would get bleached out and go away in the blizzard of D.C. scripted politics. Pizzagate deserves better treatment than that because its important. Thanx for the kind reply. I remember you too :)