In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
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Vindicator ago
You're not beating the trolls.
I agree with this.
mimes4peace ago
@thewebofslime went missing from Poal over a month ago. I see now why that is but I listen to the podcast and it would be concerning to me if he was a shill. It is something I would really want to know. I think a lot of his other followers would want to know too.
He has had a number of replies to you that you havent addressed and I see that as problematic. Ive tried to do some analysis to understand who is telling the truth and he has way more independently verifiable information than you do. Your response is to use ad hominem attacks. I have concerns with your dishonesty but you can clear something up for everyone if you want to be believed.
A few quick questions here.
Voat captures your IP. Right? It says so. Voat is on the lower end of how much users get tracked but has a voting system in place so you can't hide unless you go out of your way. Facebook steals your entire history beyond even just the Internet. They are two ends of the spectrum.
If someone attacked Voat do you think admin wouldn't use https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup as the first step? It is standard operating procedure in IT.
If someone logged into your email account and Google reported a security breach and listed the IP address is that not the first thing you would look up? You would be able to see if it was your own device, someone you knew or a random intrusion from Russia.
If someone posted the logs of an attack on their site wouldn't you want to know who the malicious attacker was? For the good of everyone?
From the outside looking in you are acting guilty because you seem terrified that your IP address is exposed.
Google Analytics is easily blocked by uBlock Origins. If you right click and "View Source" on webofslime.com you can see that it is VERY bare bones. Your own device is tracking you a lot more than that site and is making your browsing history available to Amazon and Google.
Here are multiple examples of Voat tracking that Voat has ZERO to do with.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co
https://www.similarweb.com/website/voat.co#overview
https://www.trackalytics.com/website/voat.co/
It looks like you are being very dishonest and acting very guilty.
You and I can independently verify that the IP address from the second probing attack is legitimate. We can verify the username is legitimate. We can verify that CACI and QinetiQ work together in "Integrated Projects" using the same money earmarked for "Project Earnest Voice." webofslime.com was attacked within minutes of your hostility and now you are caught being dishonest about it.
This is publicly available information and @thewebofslime shares exactly how to use it. Poal.co hosts this information. PMYB2 downloaded the 300 GB download for anyone to use. Why should we not be allowed to see what is in there? Why would you want that material censored? You deleted the post about this in your own subverse. What do you have to hide if you are telling the truth? If you dont understand that your entire Internet history is out there being traded by companies and governments all over the world then your outrage is sorely misplaced.
Did you actually get doxxed? At any point? If you did then you are guilty.
One last question.
Why did you describe the attack as a DDoS attack?
@kevdude @NOMOCHOMO @think- @crensch
PS: This is why WoS has not been online for a month. It really makes you look like the asshole in this situation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxyRteMA8fP/
If you dont get past your feelings on this one and produce a legitimate explanation you can expect backlash from a lot of WoS fans from Poal. This will be discussed at the next podcast and I will be providing your response or lack thereof to the crew.
SandHog ago
How about you guys go fuck yourselves. I know what you are trying to do and it isn't happening. v/Pizzagate is a research sub and not a trophy for webofslime to appropriate and leverage for his own personal gain.
@PuttItOut these faggots from Poal are actively trying to subvert your site and are taking advantage of the chaos caused by 'zyklon_b' in an attempt to do so.
mimes4peace ago
You claim @thewebofslime is trying to take over the subverse. Im not seeing where it says that anywhere. Lets ask him.
Maybe take a stab at answering the questions and evidence?
SandHog ago
Why bother? We've discussed this stuff to death and his sticking point has always been and still is that @Vindicator is compromised which is complete bullshit. If he was compromised all the stuff I have shared with him regarding a certain situation would have been leaked and I would have seen evidence of that happening. That has never happened.
@thewebofslime could have chosen to try working with those guys in an effort to find common ground in a way that benefited everyone but he didn't do that. He did the opposite of that. He is still doing the opposite of that and I'm not wasting any more time on it. If he really wanted to do what he says he does then he would try working with the v/pizzagate mods and not against them. The problem is that the way he approached things built up a ton of distrust on both sides. Maybe it's possible for both parties to hit the reset button and start over from scratch. I don't know. I'm not either one of them.
mimes4peace ago
Clearly @vindicator who is the one insisting that @thewebofslime is compromised. tO me you have that reversed.
SandHog ago
Maybe because neither of them are shills, dummy. I absolutely know that @Vindicator isn't. And I don't know that @webofslime really is, either. I do think his ego is too big and he is being a manipulative fucker for reasons that aren't completely clear to me. Maybe if he tried approaching the situation differently and was honest about what his intentions are and what it is he wants to achieve things could get resolved between them. Problem is that his actions thus far have already built so much distrust I don't know that they can be resolved. I know that he has eroded a great deal of trust that I had in him at the beginning and I started out defending him.
mimes4peace ago
I'm with you on they could both not be shills. Maybe you missed what I already said about it. But Vindicator made an ultimatum that Wos was a shill. Do you see the problem? The OP is willing to say that it could just be bad behavior. Right? Vindicator has not backed down. Why the ultimatum? Also there is the fact that there are shills somewhere and it seems like people should be working together to find them.
HOWEVER. The people claiming to find them were incorrect. If they "FOUND" WoS who you yourself say is not a shill. It sounds to me like you are drinking the KoolAid of the accusers. If WoS is not a shill then Vindicator Srayzie Shizy etc were wrong.
How would you react if these same people spent everyday making sure your comments and submissions were downvoted and added insults to boot?
I charted out a number of users based on a few things to compare political alignments. I dont see evidence that @ESOTERICshade is other than what he says. I didnt go far back enough to know if the other stuff was true or not but my question is if this person is a paid shill or not. Sure emotional people can make accounts and spread chaos. Im looking at an issue that is bigger than just Voat. I noticed you and think- were into wildlife.
Having public voting as an option or setting for each subreddit subverse etc might be the best solutions for highly targeted communities.
If Vindicator made an ultimatum that WoS was a shill then participated in shill behavior with other moderators then who really looks like the shill when WoS speaks up about it? I really dont think your position is based on anything other than your emotional attachment to the others who were criticising WoS. Maybe you can change my mind.
But I think we can all agree that there is a bigger picture issue here.
SandHog ago
I really don't care what you think random person from Poal. WoS can go make a post in v/Pizzagate mods and state point by point how he thinks pizzagate could be improved. Maybe something positive will come from that. Maybe not. That is my advice.
mimes4peace ago
There are two examples of that already happening.
Crensch ago
Check the /v/pizzagate sticky. It's all there in black and white.
ESOTERICshade ago
My political alignments are NONE of your goddamned business. You are not the Voat police. fuck you.
Crensch ago
Mmmm, salt.
Maggotbait88 ago
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ESOTERICshade ago
ESOTERICshade ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock. @crensch
Damn. Another reminder why I have migrated out of this wasteland. "gargling bloody nigger cock". Really? Voat is fucked if this the best we got. @puttitiout, if you really care about this venture my best suggestion is getting rid of the cancer, that would be @crensch
I can't even wrap words around that "gargling bloody nigger cock"
@vindicator, I used to have more respect for you,but..mmmmmmm
Vindicator ago
LOL. Sure you did.
ESOTERICshade ago
Disagree with the mods and get stalked. How many people has crensch made threads about now? Three or four? Free speech is a fucking joke around this place. Geez, I wonder why so many people left? Vindicator >>> "People are using free speech to squelch free speech"
ROFLMAO...translation >>> "people disagree with me" .....
Vindicator ago
You're the pussy that hides behind alts to push your views when you can't get your way.
ESOTERICshade ago
I am trying to make peace with you. We are on the same team. We just lost srayzie, a good friend of mine, so lets just move forward.
Vindicator ago
There is no peace without Justice, ES, and you have paid nothing for your predation of v/pizzagate. Until Justice is served, you will get no peace from me.
ESOTERICshade ago
We should both be happy. v/pizzagate still exists BECAUSE I MADE DAMN SURE it would survive. Now, its your job to keep it alive. We both won. You almost made a drastic mistake. We both win. Drop the hammer. I helped you out. Hitting a brick wall ain't funny. I kept us from hitting it. Pull yur britches up, and lets go :)
Vindicator ago
Askin' me to make some Q posts, eh?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@Vindicator please please don't(at least don't do it flippantly).
we disagree about Q. Whatever.
But don't make A Q post out of spite or in response to anything but relevancy to Pizzagate.
whether this is a brigade or civil war, let's keep Pizzagate as focused as possible.
I'm just saying a Q post in the midst of this battle for Q sub supremacy will only bring unrelated turmoil
@shewhomustbeobeyed
Crensch ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock.
Vindicator ago
There's probably one already made, since his uncle is a Senator.