In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
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Vindicator ago
You're not beating the trolls.
I agree with this.
mimes4peace ago
@thewebofslime went missing from Poal over a month ago. I see now why that is but I listen to the podcast and it would be concerning to me if he was a shill. It is something I would really want to know. I think a lot of his other followers would want to know too.
He has had a number of replies to you that you havent addressed and I see that as problematic. Ive tried to do some analysis to understand who is telling the truth and he has way more independently verifiable information than you do. Your response is to use ad hominem attacks. I have concerns with your dishonesty but you can clear something up for everyone if you want to be believed.
A few quick questions here.
Voat captures your IP. Right? It says so. Voat is on the lower end of how much users get tracked but has a voting system in place so you can't hide unless you go out of your way. Facebook steals your entire history beyond even just the Internet. They are two ends of the spectrum.
If someone attacked Voat do you think admin wouldn't use https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup as the first step? It is standard operating procedure in IT.
If someone logged into your email account and Google reported a security breach and listed the IP address is that not the first thing you would look up? You would be able to see if it was your own device, someone you knew or a random intrusion from Russia.
If someone posted the logs of an attack on their site wouldn't you want to know who the malicious attacker was? For the good of everyone?
From the outside looking in you are acting guilty because you seem terrified that your IP address is exposed.
Google Analytics is easily blocked by uBlock Origins. If you right click and "View Source" on webofslime.com you can see that it is VERY bare bones. Your own device is tracking you a lot more than that site and is making your browsing history available to Amazon and Google.
Here are multiple examples of Voat tracking that Voat has ZERO to do with.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co
https://www.similarweb.com/website/voat.co#overview
https://www.trackalytics.com/website/voat.co/
It looks like you are being very dishonest and acting very guilty.
You and I can independently verify that the IP address from the second probing attack is legitimate. We can verify the username is legitimate. We can verify that CACI and QinetiQ work together in "Integrated Projects" using the same money earmarked for "Project Earnest Voice." webofslime.com was attacked within minutes of your hostility and now you are caught being dishonest about it.
This is publicly available information and @thewebofslime shares exactly how to use it. Poal.co hosts this information. PMYB2 downloaded the 300 GB download for anyone to use. Why should we not be allowed to see what is in there? Why would you want that material censored? You deleted the post about this in your own subverse. What do you have to hide if you are telling the truth? If you dont understand that your entire Internet history is out there being traded by companies and governments all over the world then your outrage is sorely misplaced.
Did you actually get doxxed? At any point? If you did then you are guilty.
One last question.
Why did you describe the attack as a DDoS attack?
@kevdude @NOMOCHOMO @think- @crensch
PS: This is why WoS has not been online for a month. It really makes you look like the asshole in this situation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxyRteMA8fP/
If you dont get past your feelings on this one and produce a legitimate explanation you can expect backlash from a lot of WoS fans from Poal. This will be discussed at the next podcast and I will be providing your response or lack thereof to the crew.
Vindicator ago
You're a poor judge of character, then.
My job is to protect the users of v/pizzagate from malicious activity and alert Voat to potential malicious users. He admitted he was actively trying to identify who was coming to his site from Voat by comparing their IP addresses to hacker database information, so I alerted the Admin and put a warning in his submission. We have numerous child rape survivors on our board who fear their identities being exposed.
Because that's what I thought he was claiming. I know very little about technology and to this day do not understand what he is claiming I did. Nor do I really care, because I get accused of ridiculous bullshit here by trolls on a weekly basis. I've been accused of murder, being pedo, being Mossad (my kids got a huge laugh out of that one), being multiple different users. It's all fake and gay.
What situation, exactly?
What feelings? Explanation for what?
You're sitting here making demands and lobbing accusations without a single link to anything. We require evidence, here.
I'm sure Voat will appreciate Paol is threatening to attack a goat for doing his job.
argosciv ago
If I remember correctly, twos claimed that you were, in some way, behind an attempted SQL injection attack, which, most commonly, is intended to breach the site's database and make it spit out details on any user logins or whatever the target data may be.
This is done by placing SQL queries inside input fields that submit to a page(eg: login.php) which passes the input into an SQL query(eg: logging in, which compares username and password fields).
If the system being targeted is not appropriately coded, the SQL injection works. In this case, twos's site is coded properly to not only dump sql injection attempts, but also warn of their occurrence.
So, twos gets alerted to an alleged attempted SQL injection, then proceeds to check his site's google analytics to see the ip addresses of users who have followed links presented on voat.co, to his website.
From the comment you are replying to:
This is a deliberately deceptive statement to make, which preys on the ignorance(lack of knowledge) of onlookers, with regards to web development.
"View source" (and browser inspector/dev tools) only shows the html/css/java of a website which should indeed look "bare bones", but anyone with any amount of knowledge about website development, knows that the bulk of the work and the more powerful functionality is tucked away in the .php (or c/c++/C#/python/ruby, etc) files.
It is in the background and not accessible by the end-user, only those with access to the site's file directory.
To pretend that "View source" gives an accurate reading of how complex a site is or how it might be capturing and utilizing visitor data, is incredibly suspicious.
@PuttItOut @PeaceSeeker @cynabuns @Crensch
SandHog ago
Thanks for the ping.
Vindicator ago
Thanks Argo. Guess that schooling is going pretty well, eh?
argosciv ago
I knew all that beforehand lol. The schooling is boring as fuck re: web dev.
I've learned more in 6 years of fucking around, than I will over the entirety of the course, re: web dev.
Vindicator ago
Yep. That's generally the way it works.
SandHog ago
Kek.
@thewebofslime just go make a post in v/PizzagateMods about how you think things could be improved in v/pizzagate. Start with some straightforward bullet points or something. I'm sure @Vindicator and the other mods will look them over and give you their thoughts. Perhaps some common ground can be achieved and some good can come out of it for everyone.
mimes4peace ago
What is your evidence WoS is a shill?
Vindicator ago
Oh? How about some links?
One of the nice tactics of this fine, upstanding guy you admire so much on some other platform is to make multiple posts in multiple different locations, writing long, wordy monologues (similar to what you just wrote, in fact). He won't keep the conversation in one place, so it makes it very hard to reply. Since I don't know what specifically you find "problematic", I can't really address this.
Since you've only been on Voat for 18 days, though, you probably didn't notice he had a habit of doing this.
SandHog ago
He could have just read all the threads I linked. Meh, whatever. I don't believe that person is arguing in good faith.
Vindicator ago
No. Me either. Shall we deploy the Block feature Kev thinks will save Voat?
mimes4peace ago
Im trying all your suits on. "mimes" "miming"
Vindicator ago
What girl? What are you talking about? Links, please.
mimes4peace ago
If you say so. Its gonne get me downvotes. https://voat.co/v/confessions/3245371 The people who dont like this person cant be quicker to tell everyone about it.
Vindicator ago
Are you pushing the idea these are srayzie? That's not srayzie.
Why would you be pretending that it is if you're here to defend WoS? You realize how bad this makes him look, right?
A lot of people in v/pizzagate really care about srayzie and take the lies being told about her personally. When they see WoS is connected to this, they're definitely going to think he's a bad operator.
NOMOCHOMO ago
thanks for clarifying that. Everyone else is saying it's her.
mimes4peace ago
I "mimed" multiple people. Took on their countenance. It worked because everyone came out of the woodwork to engage.
@kevdude said @srayzie was sending mude pictures to multiple parties. I believe @kevdude is telling the truth.
I believe @thewebofslime is not someone who is going to stop defending his brand and that is something you should reflect on.
A lot of people care about @srayzie because they were manipulated into it but she is blatantly an unstable jewish princess. In the eyes of 99% of viewers she has discredit /v/greatawakening and /v/pizzagate. Shill mission accomplished in most peoples view.
I think @ESOTERICshade is right about you. You made some procedural errors. But like @srayzie and @crensch you refuse to admit a mistake.
I recommend you reflect on how your people started taking pussy pass on credit and turned on honest researchers. @thewebofslime may have a different opinion but my little chart shows him and @kevdude to be very closely aligned.
Stop blaming people for your problems and start fixing your problems.
@zyklon_b is literally part of Voat's immune response by challenging people who are unable to have a sense of humor about themselves because they are the easiest to outrage and WANT TO BE OUTRAGED. People who received naked pictures of @srayzie saw the posted pictures and claimed doxx. Notice @kevdude was first on scene because he was pinged.
Your group was busy taking pussy pass on credit to hunt fake shills when the real shill was under your nose the whole time. At no point did anyone put together the attack that went after webofslime.com and the one on Voat.co immediately after. "Project Earnest Voice" is factually here. Do you think they were or were not part of this recent drama?
I think you are gullible and I think you maliciously labeled webofslime.com a "potential security risk." You either are not smart enough to understand how websites work in which case you should ask someone other than @srayzie what to think or you are malicious against legitimate researchers or both.
Try stepping into other peoples shoes once in a while. @ESOTERICshade and @thewebofslime have both made rational appeals to you. You are the one spurning rational researchers while trying to look rational. That is the gripe. Now your friend @crensch is on a rampage and you can expect /v/Pizzagate to be next. I assume that was the original goal. To break it down until no one cares.
SandHog ago
Hurr durr, I pretended to be a shill and the people who hate shills attacked me! That proves THEY are the ones who are shills!
Go fuck yourself faggot.
Vindicator ago
"My people" know exactly what went down with srayzie, and are watching everyone who is pushing the current trumped-up disinfo campaign against GA and Pizzagate.
You guys' problem is you never learn. You have to post evidence.
Srayzie Skyped with a lot of people, because she was an enthusiastic, caring friend. Those people know what she looks like and the kind things she said and did. They know this is all bullshit.
They are watching who is pushing it. I am watching. And I do not forget.
You can ask ES about that, Slime. Your brand will not recover from your lack of wisdom and your ignorance about who is who around here.
ESOTERICshade ago
@crensch already brned v/pizzagate. He is nothing more than an internet punk and thug. I have not given up on @vindicator because I think he means well. @kevdude is cool. This website is under massive attack right now by trolls. @vindicator and @kevdude are both solid. I support both of them.
Vindicator ago
There is nothing you can do about Crensch...which is what is so glorious.
ESOTERICshade ago
Yes there is. i can walk away. I have stood by you through a lot of shit. I promoted you and supported you. I didn't appreciate the Q nonsense but I withstood it because I believed in you. I never called for you to be removed, because I don't want you to be removed. I took Falcon's head on a stick because I still cared back in those days. I don't care anymore. I don't have to read gutter shit like "gargle bloody nigger cum" from ignorant rednecks like @crensch. You can rest assured that yall can run this shit without me because lately its all just a little sewer. I still like you @vindicator. @crensch is just pure intellectual trash.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Promise?
What do you think of my new archive bonus JPG?
I think I'm going to post this after every single archive comment. Such fun we're going to have.
Want to play?
@Crensch @Vindicator @think- @argosciv @kevdude
ESOTERICshade ago
You're out in left field. It was my ex wife. I divorced her. She got drunk, got mad, and said she would call the police and tell them we had been fighting. I wasn't gonna let that drunk bitch get me in trouble with the law for no reason. After she sobered up she apologized.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa,,,,,,,,
https://files.catbox.moe/kyqbv7.PNG
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
@NOMOCHOMO @gamepwn @bopper @Sandhog @heygeorge
Look what i made. ^
:-D
SandHog ago
Hahaha, nice catch!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
He is such a
slimy creepfine example of manhood, I think it's time that the people of VOAT get to know him better, don't you?SandHog ago
I do and he isn't the only one that the people of Voat should get to know better.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It's a start.
NOMOCHOMO ago
I support this!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Think i should add anything?
NOMOCHOMO ago
naw, I've avoided ES like the plague, but I appreciate the dive it takes to find a juicy comment like that.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
No dive, saw it awhile ago, waited for him to get me good and mad, went and retrieved it.
Moral of story - don't piss me off, please.
NOMOCHOMO ago
*noted.
how close have I ever gotten? and have I ever said anything comparably stupid?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
You're a guy, right?
Not to me, but...
NOMOCHOMO ago
Fair enough. You're enough of a Misandrist that it doesn't trigger me.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Flirt.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Stop trying to honeypot me Srayzie.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
omg
NOMOCHOMO ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3221747/18647729?context=10
same behavior
BOOM BOOM BOOM SHILL VAPORIZED
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Which one?
NOMOCHOMO ago
everyone I disagree with ;)
Crensch ago
/> threatens to do what literally everyone has wanted him to do from the beginning.
Kek.
Vindicator ago
You told me to hang myself from a doorknob, you lying sack of shit.
argosciv ago
Fucking lol. He blames that on drinking.
Maybe that's also why he, as rarepeeks, said he hopes I kill myself, but then tried to act like that never happened and 'make peace' with me (minus any form of apology) after the attempt to have me isolated and downvote brigaded into negatives failed...
@Crensch
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Gawd, could you get any more narcissistic?
Seriously, get some help dude.
Crensch ago
It's not surprising that a guy constantly attacked and maligned by these bad actors would want to pipe up about those personal attacks. Everyone else is fine going after the other facets that are more generalized because they weren't psyoped into isolation for months.
It's true that our enemies hate him.
Can you at least let him be another target for them even if you think he won't help us?
think- ago
Why should @shewhomustbeobeyed back off?
It doesn't matter that our enemies hate him.
She and me are both here to fight satanists. Maybe you forgot.
His self-pity is abominable.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I'm not out to get @argosciv
My opinion of him has not changed much since he got here.
His pity-parties are really too much to stomach.
Do you know any man IRL that acts like he does?
Shameful.
think- ago
No, I don't know any satanist crybabies in rl.
Maybe the human blood he consumes fucks with his brain. /s
Crensch ago
I asked. I didn't say she should.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I shared my opinion, he needs help.
ESOTERICshade ago
If I said that you, I apologize. I didn't mean it. Maybe I was drinking :/ You pissed me off with the Q thing, other than that, i'm fine with you. Q is fucking dead and has been dead for months. Nothing left of Q but its rotting carcass. Move forward. I won't hold a grudge because the burden would be on me, and I refuse to carry it.
Vindicator ago
Q is alive and well, unfortunately for you. Trump just declassified the FISA documents exactly as Q promised. We'll be seeing stuff coming out on Comey soon, and also the IG report. I will be sure to send you popcorn so you can salt it for me.
ESOTERICshade ago
Okey dokee. This is the same thing people said about the last IG report. It was a huge nothing burger. The IG comes from the deep state, and the deep state won't sink it's own iceberg. When you gonna figger that out?
SandHog ago
How about you guys go fuck yourselves. I know what you are trying to do and it isn't happening. v/Pizzagate is a research sub and not a trophy for webofslime to appropriate and leverage for his own personal gain.
@PuttItOut these faggots from Poal are actively trying to subvert your site and are taking advantage of the chaos caused by 'zyklon_b' in an attempt to do so.
mimes4peace ago
You claim @thewebofslime is trying to take over the subverse. Im not seeing where it says that anywhere. Lets ask him.
Maybe take a stab at answering the questions and evidence?
SandHog ago
Why bother? We've discussed this stuff to death and his sticking point has always been and still is that @Vindicator is compromised which is complete bullshit. If he was compromised all the stuff I have shared with him regarding a certain situation would have been leaked and I would have seen evidence of that happening. That has never happened.
@thewebofslime could have chosen to try working with those guys in an effort to find common ground in a way that benefited everyone but he didn't do that. He did the opposite of that. He is still doing the opposite of that and I'm not wasting any more time on it. If he really wanted to do what he says he does then he would try working with the v/pizzagate mods and not against them. The problem is that the way he approached things built up a ton of distrust on both sides. Maybe it's possible for both parties to hit the reset button and start over from scratch. I don't know. I'm not either one of them.
mimes4peace ago
Clearly @vindicator who is the one insisting that @thewebofslime is compromised. tO me you have that reversed.
SandHog ago
Maybe because neither of them are shills, dummy. I absolutely know that @Vindicator isn't. And I don't know that @webofslime really is, either. I do think his ego is too big and he is being a manipulative fucker for reasons that aren't completely clear to me. Maybe if he tried approaching the situation differently and was honest about what his intentions are and what it is he wants to achieve things could get resolved between them. Problem is that his actions thus far have already built so much distrust I don't know that they can be resolved. I know that he has eroded a great deal of trust that I had in him at the beginning and I started out defending him.
mimes4peace ago
I'm with you on they could both not be shills. Maybe you missed what I already said about it. But Vindicator made an ultimatum that Wos was a shill. Do you see the problem? The OP is willing to say that it could just be bad behavior. Right? Vindicator has not backed down. Why the ultimatum? Also there is the fact that there are shills somewhere and it seems like people should be working together to find them.
HOWEVER. The people claiming to find them were incorrect. If they "FOUND" WoS who you yourself say is not a shill. It sounds to me like you are drinking the KoolAid of the accusers. If WoS is not a shill then Vindicator Srayzie Shizy etc were wrong.
How would you react if these same people spent everyday making sure your comments and submissions were downvoted and added insults to boot?
I charted out a number of users based on a few things to compare political alignments. I dont see evidence that @ESOTERICshade is other than what he says. I didnt go far back enough to know if the other stuff was true or not but my question is if this person is a paid shill or not. Sure emotional people can make accounts and spread chaos. Im looking at an issue that is bigger than just Voat. I noticed you and think- were into wildlife.
Having public voting as an option or setting for each subreddit subverse etc might be the best solutions for highly targeted communities.
If Vindicator made an ultimatum that WoS was a shill then participated in shill behavior with other moderators then who really looks like the shill when WoS speaks up about it? I really dont think your position is based on anything other than your emotional attachment to the others who were criticising WoS. Maybe you can change my mind.
But I think we can all agree that there is a bigger picture issue here.
SandHog ago
I really don't care what you think random person from Poal. WoS can go make a post in v/Pizzagate mods and state point by point how he thinks pizzagate could be improved. Maybe something positive will come from that. Maybe not. That is my advice.
mimes4peace ago
There are two examples of that already happening.
Crensch ago
Check the /v/pizzagate sticky. It's all there in black and white.
ESOTERICshade ago
My political alignments are NONE of your goddamned business. You are not the Voat police. fuck you.
Crensch ago
Mmmm, salt.
Maggotbait88 ago
$0.86 will get you 26 ounces of table salt. A grain of salt is about 0.0000585 grams or 0.000002064 ounces. That's somewhere around 12,596,900 grains of salt. If you really wanted to splurge, you could spend an extra $0.14 to get another 1,900,000 grains to take you up to an exhilarating 14,500,000 grains of salt. Just imagine how much fun you could have with almost 15 million grains of salt. You could put some in your neighbor's car's gas tank. You could put some in your own gas tank. You could even pour some into a water bottle and drink it to pretend you're lost at sea and can only drink salt water. The possibilities are as endless as the number of grains of salt you have.
ESOTERICshade ago
ESOTERICshade ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock. @crensch
Damn. Another reminder why I have migrated out of this wasteland. "gargling bloody nigger cock". Really? Voat is fucked if this the best we got. @puttitiout, if you really care about this venture my best suggestion is getting rid of the cancer, that would be @crensch
I can't even wrap words around that "gargling bloody nigger cock"
@vindicator, I used to have more respect for you,but..mmmmmmm
Vindicator ago
LOL. Sure you did.
ESOTERICshade ago
Disagree with the mods and get stalked. How many people has crensch made threads about now? Three or four? Free speech is a fucking joke around this place. Geez, I wonder why so many people left? Vindicator >>> "People are using free speech to squelch free speech"
ROFLMAO...translation >>> "people disagree with me" .....
Vindicator ago
You're the pussy that hides behind alts to push your views when you can't get your way.
ESOTERICshade ago
I am trying to make peace with you. We are on the same team. We just lost srayzie, a good friend of mine, so lets just move forward.
Vindicator ago
There is no peace without Justice, ES, and you have paid nothing for your predation of v/pizzagate. Until Justice is served, you will get no peace from me.
ESOTERICshade ago
We should both be happy. v/pizzagate still exists BECAUSE I MADE DAMN SURE it would survive. Now, its your job to keep it alive. We both won. You almost made a drastic mistake. We both win. Drop the hammer. I helped you out. Hitting a brick wall ain't funny. I kept us from hitting it. Pull yur britches up, and lets go :)
Vindicator ago
Askin' me to make some Q posts, eh?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@Vindicator please please don't(at least don't do it flippantly).
we disagree about Q. Whatever.
But don't make A Q post out of spite or in response to anything but relevancy to Pizzagate.
whether this is a brigade or civil war, let's keep Pizzagate as focused as possible.
I'm just saying a Q post in the midst of this battle for Q sub supremacy will only bring unrelated turmoil
@shewhomustbeobeyed
Crensch ago
Sure, but first you have to post a 4chan-style timestamped video of you gargling bloody nigger cock.
Vindicator ago
There's probably one already made, since his uncle is a Senator.
think- ago
No, he didn't. That was a lie. OP said @Vindicator deleted a post OP made on v/pizzagatewhatever.
http://archive.fo/p6yAg
This is the banlog for that sub -
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/about/log/submission
The last post that got deleted there was submiteted 1.1 years ago.
The discussion thewebofslime mentions in his OP happened two months ago.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/3129367
http://archive.fo/HdezV
@Vindicator @Crensch @kevdude @shewhomustbeobeyed @SandHog
I told him to contact PuttItOut, instead of smearing @Vindicator without any proof.
But apparently he never did.
mimes4peace ago
Link me the post in /v/pizzagatewhatever
You also answered none of the questions. Care to take a stab at any of them?
The fallacy being that one piece of minutiae does not do anything for the dishonesty on the part of @Vindicator
NOMOCHOMO ago
fuck that.
@Vindicator's falsehood can be chalked up to technical incompetence.
Claiming that a mod removed your post without any evidence seems far more egregious of a lie.
mimes4peace ago
I haven;t seen it. Im looking.
NOMOCHOMO ago
it's marked "potential security risk"
if the owner admits he's cross referencing individual ip addresses that have accessed his site, to determine their identity, it is a potential security risk.
@thewebofslime also repeatedly says he will "fill in the blanks" to me that is easily interpreted as a veiled threat to reveal the IP addresses.
that's why you always use a burner device boyos.
mimes4peace ago
He is asking to fill in the blanks. There is a difference. Any owner would cross reference a security threat and fellow site owners would want to know about it to block the IPs. It is standard to share this information. I checked there are definitely hostile IPs in the list that are known. You can check yourself. Why wouldnt site admin here know about someone here who was doing bash attacks? Voat went down immediately after. Same attack? No one is asking whats up? Lets all ignore it?
NOMOCHOMO ago
proof of that claim?
I do think that's a fair question/concern
mimes4peace ago
Its only in conversation that I found. You know how to search for a sticky about technical issues?
NOMOCHOMO ago
a link to that conversation would be a start.
you could use searchvoat to search for posts on that day or the day after to find confirmation of a voat outage.
also if there are significantly fewer posts that day, it's an indication the site was down
mimes4peace ago
In the previous comment from /v/Pizzagatewhatever
Sometime between 3/30/2019 10:11:46 AM and 3/31/2019 6:50:26 PM
NOMOCHOMO ago
who made that comment? Can you find independent confirmation that is not WoS
mimes4peace ago
It is WoS. I saw someone mention there was a sticky but cant remember who. But if I knew where to search for that between those times then should be easy. Or find similar comments.
NOMOCHOMO ago
searchvoat.co
mimes4peace ago
Found it. https://voat.co/v/Voat/3130748
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
What am i looking for?
NOMOCHOMO ago
nothing, this just at least partially verifies WoS narrative that voat went down after his initial post claiming his site was probed/accusing Vindicator.
it doesn't prove anything, just a true data point in the WoS vs Vin debacle.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
The egos of some men, ffs.
This is why i disregarded his complaint the first time. As you know, VOAT is being worked on, and to think that this is all that would happen if he was really being fucked with.
Nonsense and shear jealousy, imo.
Too bad, i liked WoS, until he got all goofy.
NOMOCHOMO ago
agree
agree
disagree. To say he isn't being harassed enough isn't fair. A temporary shutdown can kill posting and commenting momentum. It gives time for a counter narrative to be hatched before the information is disseminated too far.
buttttt It's also illogical to assume the two are directly connected unless timestamps make sense. Even then correlation =/= causation
I will still cautiously follow @thewebofslime, but my trust is shattered re: his claim that Vin removed his post from pgwhatever.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I never doubted that @thewebofslime was under attack. I just couldn't make the jump to blaming @Vindicator.
I do miss Wos POV, just not the paranoia. Got plenty of that on my own, thankUverymuch.
mimes4peace ago
My brain cells are dying. I think Ive got my head around it. Always takes me a good sleep to process info. So far I think a public voting option for subs that only is revealed when archived is the best solution.
NOMOCHOMO ago
idk if after archiving is necessary.
I think the claims that it will increase tension are irrelevant.
the tension will be the revelation of shills and their exposure. I dont want to wait weeks to find out I'm being brigaded
NOMOCHOMO ago
so does its official sponsor PIA. I still am undecided about their legitimacy (as a user using one of the free month passes)
TLDR: (((Virtual))) Private Networks < Phsyical Device Obscurity
mimes4peace ago
Yes. This is what I would like to know. It looks to me that there is a legitimate shill presence from QinetiQ and it isn't just at Voat. There can only be a handful of people who it could be and that person is probably on other sites. There are probably several in a group. It shouldnt be that hard to figure out. Doesnt everyone want to know who it is?
NOMOCHOMO ago
see parent
@shewhomustbeobeyed @think-
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
@thewebofslime's submission is something that i do not understand.
I don't do email, facebook, twit, none of them. so none of this applies to me.
He doesn't seem to do techtard explanations so i don't follow him. Nobody has explained any of this to me.