In this study, you can see that human resource management has spent a great deal of time learning how to create and prevent splitting in human groups in order to keep groups cohesive or break them apart, as needed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321982018_Organizing_the_HRM_function_Responses_to_paradoxes_variety_and_dynamism
In fact, the Robber's Cave experiment is a perfect example of how the basic ideas behind this are very, very easy to implement. It was framed as "realistic conflict theory."
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
An even more basic way to understand this is to see how a monkey reacts to the injustice of being paid differently for doing the same task. His outrage is palpable. This little monkey should inform you as to how easy it is to manipulate people using outrage. Don't be that little monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Almost two months ago, I started getting PMs that were seemingly designed to create the idea that there were people against me. In particular, @Vindicator and @Crensch were named as people who were not big fans of mine and the idea was introduced that they wanted me banned. I'm leary of naming too many names, but @think- admitted to being one of these people.
Ever cautious, my response was a post on how to counteract David Brock shills. I basically tried to dumb down what I use to combat shills and gave instructions on how drown them out on Reddit.
I made a long post on 4chan, which @think- then suggested I share on /v/Pizzagate, with the understanding that we would work together on making conform to the rules of /v/Pizzagate, because it was originally made for 4chan. After I worked to correct the post, @Vindicator referred to me as acting like a David Brock shill, a sleeper shill, etc where I was trying to "baffle people with bullshit." I informed @Vindicator that I had a couple of people (my cousin, a computer science professor, and another family member, a lawyer) watching how all of this was about to go down. This was my cousin's idea, because he had just made it so the logs worked on my site and I had explained that we could expect a serious shill response. The legal ramifications of shills is an interesting one because you can potentially sue them and make money.
One of the first people who came to my site from the thread I posted used the address bar to search for George Tenet within my site. They did it wrong. Then, another computer logged in and did a slightly correct way of searching for George Tenet on my site.
The second probe was run using a computer on a CACI network with the login name "abramah." Naturally, I ran the name through the database I have of email and password combinations. You can find this, yourself, at haveibeenpwned.com, but I downloaded the whole database, so I could access both username and their corresponding passwords. This is what came back:
[email protected] goatblower
QinetiQ was contracted by CACI, the Defense Intelligence Agency contractor, to run unspecified Internet operations and founded QNAO (QinetiQ North American Operations). George Tenet was on their board. It seems one of his employees was searching for him and they are, most likely, a Voat shill, since they came from Voat within moments of my thread being posted and also chose the password "goatblower."
George Tenet now runs Allen & Co, which is the top of the media pyramid for FOX, Disney, Sports, Video Games, Health Insurance comapnies, etc. It is a "Proprietary" as managed by a Proprietary Management Group within the Deep State.
As soon as I started to expose the CACI logs and posted in /v/ProtectVoat, Voat had "technical issues" and puttitout made a sticky saying he was working on it and that was the moment @srayzie & Co all decided they hated me. Rather than try to have a conversation about it in a rational manner, they insisted on being insulting harassing and constantly pinging each other to downvote me... the exact stuff they have been doing to a lot of people.
Their job has been to destroy the Pizzagate movement by aligning it with Q, then waiting for the Q movement to be discredited. They run /v/Pizzagate as a limited hangout and everyone who has tried to politely reason with them gets insults and little brigades from the same exact group of people. If you don't post in exactly the manner they want, they invite you to post in a subverse that gets little to no attention. They make no effort, whatsoever, to promote the known facts onto other platforms and liberal strongholds.
In fact, they spend an inordinate amount of time "reverse concern trolling" by falsely identifying shills, then trying to convince everyone to brigade them which is a core aspect of creating "tension" and implementing "tension based strategies." They are trying to make outraged monkeys out of everyone.
In my opinion, they could start to prove they aren't shills by merely starting with taking a break from the Internet. They could blanket ban themselves from wasting their time insulting people and just use the normal functions to deal with shills sans all the outraged monkeys. The reason they act like this is because they are either immature to the extreme or because they are doing all of this on purpose.
When people repeatedly double down on dishonesty, they are proving my point.
Just recently, @Vindicator said that I accused him of DDoS'iong my site, which is a gross misrepresentation of what I said happened. Give that he has called me a shill and made a number of other untruthful statements means that he is double down on his dishonesty for a reason. When I first presented some of my findings in /v/PizzagateWhatever, he deleted it. I left all of their hateful words untouched in my own ignored subverse.
What is the best way to protect voat? It is to stop engaging in the different types of concern trolling and stay out of the drama. Personally, I think these people deserve a permanent ban because it is my opinion that this paradigm is a well established, well documented shill paradigm that they repeatedly adhere to. Doxxing is being selectively used as a tool of outrage, when, in fact, I've doxxed more people than I can count on Voat, including Rothschilds, NXIVM, Knesset members, FBI Agents and a lot more. Notice nobody ever complained about that. In fact, @Vindicator even seemed to like it when I handed out the emails to the lead Pizzagate investigators at the FBI.
/v/Pizzagate has had a reverse concern troll stickied for 5 months on @EsotericShade. Whether or not their accusations are true, does one problem person warrant a lot of drama laden exclamation marks and insulting circle jerk to represent the Pizzagate movement? No. It is more "Outrage Inc." For a group of people who hate when someone adds a few votes here and there, they are the prime abusers of ganging up on people and downvoting them into oblivion. They act exactly like TMOR and SRS. They are cancer. It would be best for Voat if these people were not in charge.
I absolutely invite polite discussion on any of these topics. Just know that nobody has been able to address it without the little TMOR insult downvote brigade. When it came to trying to convince this little group of anything, I gave up. However, it is clearly a large overarching problem all across Voat that a handful of people are responsible for and finally, everyone seems ready to listen. These aren't good people.
Subtract the things you do or do not agree with them on... politics, morality, whatever. Then just look at the behavior. They won. Outrage and insults won. Just in time for the OIG report, too.
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oftotc ago
And
These are from two completely separate systems. The one from your system just has the name "abramah" and no password, right? The account from the email/pw db could have come from anywhere on the planet and must have existed before "abramah" logged onto your personal website (that no one should visit w/o solid netsec, obviously), because it already existed in the databases at haveibeenpwned. That's what's in that database - known compromised accounts.
How are you connecting these two accounts to be the same person? Because they have the same "name"?
thewebofslime ago
You understand that correctly.
The CACI subnet was a QinetiQ network, meaning that the CACI IP address was listed in the logs, with a sub 10 dot IP address, where the computer username was listed.
So, yes, two different sets of data, independent of each other, but both reveal "QinetiQ" as a common piece of information, "abramah" as a common piece of information and that happened within moments of posting the thread, where the analytics reveal that the person who came to the site came specifically from my fresh thread in /v/Pizzagate.
I have a lot more detailed information than that, but I ended up posting the logs in other places to get other opinions because the conversation on Voat ceased to be productive.
TheGrandMaster ago
Brilliant
oftotc ago
Cool. One more thing - I'm having a hard time finding CACI being anything to QinetiQ; can you source that somehow?
When and please source? Thanks, dude.
mimes4peace ago
Your Google results must be manipulated because I get plenty of links that are clear that they both work on the same contracts together regularly, both participate on multiple business and non profit boards regularly and have many of the same employees back to back. The most likely explanation is that if they are getting C5ISR funds or working on Oasis they are in house together in Virgina for which you can find the addresses in plenty of these links. Both are located in the "defense corridor" in Virginia. They both have addresses next to each other on Fairfax in Arlington, Virginia. I'm not going to call you dishonest but I find it really strange that 30 seconds of searching drummed up these results for me and not for you. You might take a minute to reconsider some of your statements because if your only point of contention is YOUR Google results then I am not inclined to take your criticism seriously.
https://governmentcontractingtips.com/2014/05/22/oasis-contract/
http://www.capricciosoftware.com/Company/Partners.aspx
https://www.afcea.org/content/multiple-firms-awarded-c5isr-funds
https://nova.afceachapters.org/afitday
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OCPO-SSPO-TacCom-Vendor-List.pdf
https://www.myexecutiveboard.net/
linkedin.com/in/mark-ambrozaitis-7099064
https://www.biggp.com/our-clients/
NOMOCHOMO ago
I agree I got multiple results too.
I dont think his Google is manipulated. I think he is.
mimes4peace ago
https://i.imgur.com/ndskcoo.png
I feel like there is an important problem/solution that is staring us in the face here. Reddit Voat Poal even CNN and FOX all face the same problem. If they are all using (((tension centered strategies))) it should be easy to systematically counter. Maybe @virge is right and the best solution is public voting on these sites. The truth would reveal itself quickly. My take from this chart is that even if no one was a shill there was bound to be a collision given the frequency of posting between the accused and the accusers. Their posting was going to force readers to decide between them at some point. The question is who is more comfortable with not being believed and why. The difference is the accusers whose faction ended up with two rage quit account deleters cared a lot more about controlling communities than the others. @zyklon_b is no different and the amount of control just handed to him by the rage quitters defies reason. When these posters challenged their control over the communities they lashed out with ad hominem attacks. This reveals an interesting problem for moderators. Posters have nothing to lose when attacked by a group of moderators. Moderators are at an inherent disadvantage if they choose to persistently engage due to alts and accumulation of dissenters over time. The moderators in this situation are responsible for the paradox where they became so zealous that they lost control after a sustained campaign of accusing people of weird stuff that cant actually be verified unless you are admin.
I was really hoping my little chart would conclusively show who was a shill but there is a spectrum of possibilities. On one end @Crensch and @zyklon_b could be controlled opposition of each other and manipulating a handful of gullible people. On the other end nobody is a shill and the rage quit faction are merely classic morons. All a shame because everyone involved seemingly believes Pizzagate is real. Maybe they should work together? Ha.
NOMOCHOMO ago
where would I fall on that list?
NOMOCHOMO ago
@shewhomustbeobeyed @vindicator
this is the conclusion I have come to
only public voats can solve the problem... everything else is a "solution" that leads to greater tension.
mimes4peace ago
Even if it could just be a subverse setting.
NOMOCHOMO ago
@vindicator @puttitout @shewhomustbeobeyed
this is the solution! let moderators decide if each subverse's voting is public or private!
NOMOCHOMO ago
I would LOVE to know who downvoted this :))))
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Works for me.
@think- would you take a look at the parent comments here and tell me what you think, please.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
It would seem so, I get a bit lost on the tech side of these discussions.
I am quite sure that I have exhibited shameful patterns of voating in the past and would perhaps be embarrassed by my patterns being publicly displayed. I'll get over it.
My only concern is the chilling of voating, which I see as another form of free speech, ie. Well, i better not vote for/against this submission/comment, 'cause everybody can see. IDK, if transparency is what it takes then OK.
So if Putt takes you up on the offer to strip naked for all of voat to see, I'll do it with you.
NOMOCHOMO ago
Woohoo
@Puttitout we want to skinny dip!
@vindicator @crensch @kevdude
care to join us?
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
I'd just like for the truth to be loosed, hiding knowledge is what got us all to this point to begin with.
Vindicator ago
I am happy to have my voting history public. I am not clear, however, whether this would stop the Shareblue fuckery we've be plagued with, or empower it. I don't have a full enough picture of all of the different factors. Probably only Putt does, and his view may be limited, also.
NOMOCHOMO ago
it goes a long way to establish our credibility.
I fail to see how open voting would empower shareblue accts.
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Probably both. Maybe if putt just banned every account with a gov IP, problem would be solved.
Me either.
Vindicator ago
That's actually brilliant, LOL. Remember during the government shutdown, when the shilling dropped to almost nothing? I remember :-)
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
Yeah, well I figure that governments have no rights of free speech, so why not?
virge ago
Where would I fall on your chart?
mimes4peace ago
virge
Trump: Pro
Q: Pro
Holocaust: Neutral
Outrage: Anti
Pizzagate: Believes
Hobby: None
virge ago
Interesting. I disagree with 2 of them.
mimes4peace ago
Interesting. Which ones?
I searched your history for what you posted on Trump, Q, Holocaust (Jews, Kikes, etc), insults (faggot, fuck, etc) and probably didnt notice any "hobby" related sub outside of politics.
virge ago
I haven't bothered to purge my history in over a week, so you've seen a snapshot with very little good data.
Both Trump and Q were incorrect.
mimes4peace ago
Good to know. If I do this next time Ill consider looking harder. But I think Ive almost learned what I needed to know.
virge ago
Happy to help.
thewebofslime ago
https://washingtonexec.com/2013/07/suzan-zimmerman-joins-caci-international-as-senior-vice-president-strategic-campaigns/
CACI International Inc (CACI) today announced Suzan Zimmerman will take the helm of the IT solutions firm as senior vice president of strategic campaigns.
She is tasked in that post with leading CACI’s business development focus on evaluating, bidding and capturing market opportunities.
Zimmerman previously served as senior vice president for corporate development for QinetiQ North America Inc and brings to CACI 25 years of leadership experience.
https://i.imgur.com/gG3YS35.png
https://i.imgur.com/8oaGtkK.png
oftotc ago
The washingtonexec site is the only Internet source that mention CACI and QinetiQ in one post. And that is only because CACI hired someone formerly from QinetiQ.
There is nothing in there about a business contract of any kind. Or QinetiQ and CACI sharing any kind of network. I'm asking where you got that info from.
NOMOCHOMO ago
LIAR multiple sites have the same story
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130715005119/en/CACI-Appoints-Suzan-F.-Zimmerman-Senior-Vice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/seeking-to-grow-caci-makes-business-development-additions/2013/07/19/31fca1fa-ed81-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html?utm_term=.dc8d3c6c018a
https://www.lin kedin.com/in/julia-maddox-00a47469
another chick who worked for both companies
I'm not saying CACI and QINETIQ are connected, but there are multiple websites referencing both companies on one page
thewebofslime ago
Answering that question 100% definitively poses problems, but I think I can get it close enough for you with publicly available information. However, start with their owners.
They are both part of the Carlyle Group Portfolio and, if I recall, the DOLPHIN DIA project, TALON robotics project and people from Lockheed Martin and other usual suspects revolve in and out of these entities. The logs highlight the subnetwork that connects them. The other picture, I think, illustrates they are part of the same portfolio.
Beyond that, they swap around contracts and move around people from project to project and abramah's emails might suggest that he made the move to Mantech on the DISA project, last year, while retaining his QinetiQ credentials.
https://www.govconwire.com/2018/03/caci-mantech-win-spots-on-17-5b-disa-encore-iii-it-services-idiq-ken-asbury-daniel-keefe-comment/
oftotc ago
Uh, huh. Got it. Thanks, dude.
thewebofslime ago
Obviously, there is a bit more to it and I hashed out most of it when it happened. You can see that they aren't exactly a cutting edge bunch...
10.10.0.134;NPATEL-DSK.qnao.net;TRUE;TRUE;FALSE;FALSE;UNKNOWN;None 10.10.0.135;DPAPAS-LTP.qnao.net;TRUE;TRUE;2.0.0.5135;FALSE;Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - SP0.0;None;C:
10.10.0.126;AROUSTOM_LTP.qnao.net;TRUE;TRUE;FALSE;FALSE;Microsoft Windows XP Professional - SP3.0;None;C:\WINDOWS;user 10.10.0.126;CTREAKLE-LTP.qnao.net;TRUE;TRUE;FALSE;FALSE;Microsoft Windows XP Professional - SP3.0;None;C:\WINDOWS;user 10.10.0.127;SPittman-
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oftotc ago
I can't imagine a lot then ;-) You should whack the @ data; not needed and generates shitty code for page processsing doncha think?
thewebofslime ago
I have the hope that someone will recognize some of the particulars. It's a narrowed down list. Given the sloppiness of their IT situation... which is a huge freaking mess... I'm guessing they've been sloppy elsewhere. Just having stuff available in searchvoat might be helpful, too. Until now, nobody was interested.
oftotc ago
There are people here who have read this far down believing that the data you have set forth is genuine. I am not one of them. I think you specifically target those of a lesser intellect than you, for whatever reasons, and spoon-feed them un-provable, but well crafted tales of investigative adventure. I find this kind of behavior to be abhorrent. I appreciate all you have posted in our conversation and hope you leave it all up for those with minds to perceive. It makes your kind more recognizable when you leave such big trails of nothing.
thewebofslime ago
So, what is fake? What am I saying that is untrue? I have asked multiple people to help interpret what I found. Sure, there are various opinions, but the behavior I am pointing out is undeniable. "Outrage Inc."
I was approached by people, who I didn't know whether or not I should trust, and I acted accordingly and this pattern of behavior ensued that we've seen before, but was accurately predicted. the technical information in the logs is, ultimately, irrelevant and, if I were wrong, I would be happy to admit.
But, the behavior keeps happening. Let's say I'm 100% an idiot and my logs were manipulated.
Let's cut out my site, completely.
I made a post on /v/Pizzagate where I was insulted and attacked and brigaded and it wasn't the first time. Before anyone knew anything about CACI or QinetiQ, I was being singled out to be banned or brigaded or tricked in some way. The same way that had happened to others and the same way that everyone saw play out in a very public fashion.
The "Outrage Inc" tactics are plain to see, for everyone. If I was wrong about my assertions, then why would people tell blatant, provable lies?
I don't actually target anyone. I have barely been on the Internet for like a month. I just had a little more time today, but that won't continue.
I'm not sure what "kind" you think I am, but I'd be curious to hear about it. If you have an alternative explanation of events, I would be curious to hear about it.
oftotc ago
So I've waited a few days to let the thread cool down and look into the info other goats posted.
I'm not here to ruin your fanbase and you notice I rarely interact with you. I won't be pestering you. I only lurk PG now so I'm familiar w/ your posts/comments. You help keep the place alive and that's a good thing. Sort of. At some point PG will need you and the srayzie's of the world to diminish in prominence in order to accomplish what it set out to do.
But until a density of minds occurs in the sub, I'll just keep watching. Thx for being a goat, dude.