First off, @ESOTERICshade is @rarepeeks. This is not a joke. Yes, there are loads of archives and image backups that will never be deleted, should he disappear or delete.
Why is this a problem? Manufacturing consensus and vote manipulation. Other users never seem to push ESOTERIC's narrative, just his alts.
Here he is lying about his intentions in order to make his main username seem reasonable while his alts attack Vindicator.
How about voting on major changes to the subverse? His main username was ALL OVER that thread, and made THAT vote in some Crensched nest, but here's his alt's vote.
You know how the pedophiles we all want dead mock those around them by hinting at what they're really doing by admitting to something smaller?
Here he is admitting to being @smurfy69, innocently UPVOTING comments not because they were good, admitting to upvoting himself, where he has upvoted 422 times and downvoted 127 times on ONE account. Does anyone REALLY think he isn't brigading? Oh wait, Here's RAREPEEKS (ALSO ESOTERIC) numbers at 725 upvoted and 354 downvoted
@Puttitout, please see the above paragraph.
You'll also notice BOTH Esoteric and his smurfy69 account commenting in this concern troll thread by @ArtificalDuality -- both claiming to have suffered torture from directed energy weapons. Exactly the kind of LARPy concern troll bullshit known liar and drama queen @Jem777 was posting before Vindicator banned her - and she's also helping push it in this thread. You'll also find twistedmac11 joining in there.
@twistedmac11 seems more than a little invested in ESOTERICshade keeping his good name. And he always, always, always, always, JFC always, fuck... shows up to defend or agree with ESOTERIC. No, that's not everything. That's a very, VERY small fraction, yes, it's all archived and saved.
How much of what you see here has been shaped by him? Does any legitimate user really agree with him, or does he just groom new users into being his cheerleaders when he and his alts do their dirty work?
Here's @DeathtoMasonsASAP somehow finding a deeply-nested comment to respond to, and has that typical ESOTERIC-style Vindicator hate found on a verified alt here, here, and here.
Here's ES lying again about him thinking the rest of the mods are "cool" while attacking one. It's usually either that, or thinking all the mods are awful except one. Never really seems to commit one way or the other. Always has to pretend to be on the side of one of the mods, like this cringey shit where he tries to brown-nose kevdude.
I'm sure everyone now knows that the colloquially known "Donkey" is also @auralsects. What do you make of this where @auralsects responds where @ESOTERICshade should have? No, ES did NOT respond to that on the correct username at all, even after the fact. And who in their right mind would say this? Here he is talking about Donkey's JOB; who in their right minds would say THAT?
There are more usernames being researched, but what do you all see in these links?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2608242/13143338?=20
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2767239 (notice the difference in votes, and how useless his comment really is - somebody got a new toy and wanted to play with it)
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2490837 (10? 17? really?)
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2591260/13026383 (organic?)
https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/2569662
Feel free to ping all those users you know that are friendly to this pedophile-protecting D&C shill. I fully intend to put every single one of them under the microscope, along with anyone that attacks my mods.
This is why you have a MASSIVE asshole as an [O] mod. THIS is why I'm not nice to you. THIS is why I don't do daily mod duties here. THIS is why your mods want me where I am. THIS is the avalanche I created just by picking a fight with your loudest blowhard member that almost none of you called out. THIS IS WHAT I DO. And to all of you that even look at my goddamned mods sideways without a VERY good reason:
No more Mr. Nice Crensch.
EDIT
@twistedmac11 got flustered and lied about never supporting anyone trying to destroy the subverse, prompting @Vindicator to dig this one up.
EDIT 2
@Vindicator made the comment below about ESOTERIC's bullshit:
Here, @EsotericShade claims he's so ignorant of technology (a "retard") he had to make all these alts because passwords are too hard to remember.
But eight months ago, here he is having a conversation about how to use VPNs to game the voting system. Doesn't sound too tech ignorant here, now does he?
Incidentally, that thread shows him using multiple alts to try to take over a rule discussion, voting multiple times via different accounts and even bitching when Crensch missed votes that weren't made as top level comments that would be seen in his notifications. Lots of brigading, too. Here are three of them talking to each other, pushing the idea the mod team is run by intelligence operatives.
There are multiple comments by him in that thread as ES, rarepeeks, twistedmac11, dragonkiller and others concern trolling the idea that the rule discussion is some kind of trap created by Crensch to get people's names on a hit list -- he simultaneously votes multiple times and tries to scare other people away from letting their voice be heard. It's rather appalling how glaring it is in this thread, actually.
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Crensch ago
@Vindicator @think- @srayzie @EricKaliberhall @kevdude
I trust there are no issues with me posting this given the amount of manipulation of this subverse that has gone one just form what's shown above?
think- ago
Well, we always said that proven shill activity would adhere to Rule 4, so I'm fine with it.
Especially, since I was able to see myself during the last couple days what Esoteric did when I went through his comment histories, and those of his alts.
I have a reputation to uphold of being impartial, but I must say that in this case, I was really shocked to see what this man has done. Unbelievable.
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @Kevdude @Srayzie
EricKaliberhall ago
This submission should be stickied for a long time... Maybe a 'important' flair as well.
think- ago
Thanks for the suggestion, done. ;-)
auralsects ago
At least for me (idgaf about Esoteric) This is blatant defamation of character with no basis, i.e. slander.
I've never even done any shill activity; I simply have unpopular opinions. My alts were literally the same name.
Great shame on you, vile slut
Shizy ago
Various forms of donkey is "literally" the same name as blowjob?😂!!! You're such a liar.
auralsects ago
I didn't hide this one either. And the others that aren't Donkey I just used to post submissions that receive praise then out myself shortly after and laugh at precisely this 'shill-spotting' behavior you morons are so fond of.
Vindicator ago
In your dreams Donkey. Too bad you forgot to log out of your "oral sex" account when replying in the first person here. You've been running your little joke on folks in here long enough. It's over.
auralsects ago
Are you retarded?
If you accuse 2 people of being just 1 based on an allegedly shared behavior you can FULLY EXPECT one of them to point out they don't actually share that behavior. That's NOT a suspicious 'doth protest too much.'
You're employing the exact same illogical bullshit that @srayzie did in accusing me of being Equineluvr:
Unlike her you're not merely a stupid overconfident woman; you are a literal kike and shill, which is why YOU show up out of nowhere to defend JEWS every single time.
Talk about exposing yourself, faggot, LMAO!
You don't even believe that bullshit; you're just gaslighting the other dumb cunts who infest this sub. You are transparent, KIKE!
Shizy ago
Damn!!!! You're fucking CAUGHT faggot!
srayzie ago
Why did you answer a question that was directed at ES?
Shizy ago
Now he's gonna temper tantrum to try and take attention off the fact that he explicitly responded to the "buddying up" comment that was directly asked of ES! What a fool!
srayzie ago
He’s good at those tantrums. 🙄
auralsects ago
oh my fucking god you stupid bitch.
It is exactly like the example. If Equine DMed you for tech help that Donkey obviously doesn't need, it is not DEFENDING ANYONE to simply point out that it's evidence they aren't the same person. Nothing is unnatural or suspicious about that.
It's not like EQUINE went out of his way to use this evidence in the months since you had exhanged DMs -- having not been privy to your DMs, I didn't know about it and only remarked when YOU mentioned it.
In fact I posted screenshots of all ES's DMs to me and can show some from ES, too, saying Jews are just scapegoats like the cuck bitch that he is.
So I can demonstrate I'm not these people, and you can just enjoy looking foolish as you must be used to
Vindicator ago
Nice attempt to muddle the facts, "Donkey". I didn't base anything on "shared behavior." :-) Unfortunately for you, I based it on your very own words:
You were replying to an accusation made to ESOTERIC. In the first person.
Now why would Donkey try to defend himself against a claim made about Esoteric, unless they are the same person?
Y'all done fucked up, as liars and fakes are wont to do. :-)
@Crensch @think- @srayzie @EricKaliberhall
twistedmac11 ago
I'm pretty sure I'm going to be accused of being a donkey alt next for saying this, but I think I understand the misunderstanding here. The whole thread in question was about how ESOTERICshade and donkey are the same person. In response to one of ESOTERICshade's comments on that post, OP stated that ESOTERICshade was trying to buddy up to kevdude. If I'm understanding correctly, donkey was making the "when have I ever buddied up to anyone" comment in order to show that he and ESOTERICshade are different people, because ESOTERICshade buddies up to mods while donkey does not.
Fully prepared to be insulted some more for saying anything, but since no one else seems to be picking up on this, I thought I would throw it out there.
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auralsects ago
LOL! You fucking moronic faggot. If I forgot to log out why is my comment written in exactly the same Donkey style rather than ES's?
Step 1: You people make entire threads claiming I am ES based on shared behavior or opinions 2: I happen to see a random specific comment repeating this accusation and point out we don't even share the mentioned behavior, which doesn't DEFEND ES, IT UNDERMINES YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE THAT I NEED TO DEFEND ES.
You are so out of your league against me it is pitiful. Filthy kike https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1905258
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Vindicator ago
Because you were reading and upvoting all ES's bullshit and making comments as Donkey. You read the challenge to ES and replied to it as Donkey, forgetting you weren't logged in as ES. Donkey is a one dimensional character who only ever says a few simple things. Classic sock puppet.
auralsects ago
if I forgot I wasn't logged in as ES what you would see is HIS style with no LMAOs etc. being used mistakenly under the DONKEYHOTE name. Dude your lack of comprehension is really embarrassing you right now.
Do you kikes not realize when you sperg out and make a sticky thread on such flimsy and dumb bullshit you LOSE CREDIBILITY
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Vindicator ago
I love how you keep insisting on this, when it's of course not necessarily true at all. You simply forgot who the user was saying kissed Kev's ass, because it irks you to have to kiss Kevs ass and in the Donkey character, you never do it.
The beauty here is that any objective user reading this, concerned about what you have been up to here, will see exactly what happened. It's very simple. The more times you claim it's confusing or incomprehensible, the more times I get to explain just how simple it is. :-) You're hangin' yourself with your own rope.
SchlongKeyhote ago
...no. An objective observer would choose the simplest and most likely answer, which is that my pointing out that it shows I'm not him, isn't a defending and is in fact completely unrelated to his conversation.
But here's proof that I don't play any FAGGOT vote-games. https://i.imgsafe.org/d2/d2ed46cafd.png
That's checkmate, you hooknosed bitch-boy kike.
zyklon_b ago
gas the kikes
Vindicator ago
LOL. That isn't proof of shit. The one-dimensional Donkey accounts are sacrificial anodes for Esoteric. Why don't you show the stats on his account, eh? +12.5k CCP upvotes. Wanna explain that?
And here's some proof you DO play faggot vote games:
SchlongKeyhote ago
Lmao none of those links show what you purport they do, fucking useless loser.
He apparently pinged me and I never even showed up -- that's me "trying to dox you" LMAO YOU EXEMPLIFY EVERY STEREOTYPE, THE JEW CRIES OUT IN PAIN AS HE STRIKES YOU
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Shizy ago
It shows you continually lie about your race! When it suits you, you pretend to be white, but you have confirmed you're actually black. You're one lying piece of shit so nothing you say has any validity!
SchlongKeyhote ago
LOL you stupid bitch. I have "confirmed" I'm black?
It's a fucking JOKE. Niggers don't actually say they wuz kangs and there is surely not a single nigger on this entire sub.
Shizy ago
Awwww, don't feel like you have to be an Uncle Tom and deny your race now! You're such scum anyway that no one really cares if you're black. Opinions of you can never get any lower than they already are.
srayzie ago
I’m curious too. What’s really confusing tho is that he replied with the personality of donkey. Not the personality of ESO.
ESOTERICshade ago
Of all people on this planet, you should know that i'm not the Donkey.
srayzie ago
I don’t think you are Donkey. I’ve said that.
ESOTERICshade ago
You know i'm not Donkey. They are just trying to antagonize me. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried about it.
ESOTERICshade ago
You are correct. I am not the Donk.
Vindicator ago
Interesting how ES refers to Donkey with the definitive article, here and further above...almost as if he were a character in a script...
@kevdude @Crensch @think- @srayzie
ESOTERICshade ago
You are a goddamn low life mother fucker that would accuse a person of anything. You already insinuated that I was a child pornographer. You have anything else you want to accuse me of? Go ahead. I will fucking laugh.
Vindicator ago
Funny...you don't sound like you are laughing.
I am, though. You turd.
ESOTERICshade ago
Stoop lower. Go ahead. I used to have a lot of respect for you. I'm losing it fast. I'm sure you don't care. You have been modding this forum for at least two years that I know of. How could you be so naive? Can you not connect dots yet?
Vindicator ago
I connected your dots over a year ago, ES. Now i'm going to make you eat them.
It took me a while to get @kevdude and @Crensch to see how dangerous you are to Voat. You almost succeeded in getting me demodded. But guess what? People of good will recognize each other. They rise above the bullshit, lies, manipulation and fear. They build bridges and overcome obstacles.
I didn't want or seek this job. I care about the people on this board. What you've done to them is evil. You have attempted to subvert and demoralize a bunch of good folks who want to stop their government from raping children. Fuck you. Fuck your handlers. Fuck whoever pays you. Fuck your parents for not raising you any better.
I don't need to tell you to go to hell, because I know you are already there. You can't look yourself in the eye in the mirror. You have to drink, just to cope with the devils gnawing at your soul. Christ may have mercy you when you have to stand in front the big chair, but you're not going to get any of it here.
ESOTERICshade ago
That has never been my intention. Actually, I think you are the probably the best man for the job right now. No joke. I would not do the job that you do but i'm glad that you do. There is a lot that you need to learn, but I think you do a pretty good job. You are blinded by the two party political system but that is not neccessarily your fault because most people are the same way. There is only a small handfull of people that are truly redpilled, I mean truly redpilled. I don't hate you bro, I really don't.
Vindicator ago
Spare me the Kum Ba Ya shit, Esoteric. This is not about me. This is about you and your attempts to brainwash people. If you cared about people being "truly redpilled" you wouldn't constantly be telling people what they should and should not discuss on this board. You wouldn't have a bunch of secret alts and you wouldn't use them to upvote your views and downvote those who disagree with you. You're a deceiver. You're a fake. And you want to destroy the very essence of Voat.
Just like globalists importing Mexicans to overwhelm the vote of hardworking U.S. taxpayers, you created multiple accounts to overwhelm the votes of pizzagate investigators. You used those accounts to laud yourself and to pigpile opposition on your enemies. And you did it in the sneakiest, most cowardly way.
You WISH I was blind.
ESOTERICshade ago
You keep believing that Trump and Q will save your ass, and I will keep teaching people about secret societies, which you know almost nothing about. Good night bro. I wish you the best. Time for me to go to bed now.
Crensch ago
Can't say I could see myself using "the" when referring to someone I wasn't.
"I am not the Putt"
And his shortening of "donkey" to "donk" is also a little strange. Two letters, why? Something I would maybe do to a buddy's name IRL just to fuck around, but in almost any other setting I can think of? Nah.
If I were a low-IQ faggot, I might refer to my own alt account in such a way.
Vindicator ago
If I were a shitty novelist writing a pulp fiction thriller, it's the kind of thing I'd have my alcoholic, cocky-but-despairing Spook obstacle character brag about to his buddies in a bar after work: "I unleashed the Donk on srayzie and had her typing all afternoon..." Next scene would be him staring at the ceiling fan in his shitty DC apartment, looking at her Twitter pic and wondering if she wears a translucent peignoir when she tucks in her kids.
"...the Donk." LMAO.
srayzie ago
What’s this about hojuruku? He’s even more horrible than Donkey.
ESOTERICshade ago
I don't know for sure but according to hojuruku his father got harassed by the powers that be for trying to help the kids. He is a very unhinged person and he is very angry at the whole world. I think his father got put in jail for all this, if I remember it all correctly. He is very angry. He is a loose cannon. I have no idea what he is doing right now but he is probably posting somewhere because he is dedicated, he is mad, and I doubt he will ever stop being mad.
srayzie ago
Were you agreeing with him? I read something like that somewhere. He said he would pay to have my son raped. He did a lot more but I blocked him. He’s dangerous so I won’t even get into it.
Do you get along with both of them?
ESOTERICshade ago
I don't know him personally. I saw what you saw. All his rants and unhinged behavior. I saw what everybody else saw. He is pissed off. He made that pretty clear to everybody.
srayzie ago
You admitted to being Rarepeeks? I asked you that before and you said it wasn’t you.
srayzie ago
Why do you keep calling him The Donkey? He doesn’t deserve a title
Vindicator ago
I don't find that confusing at all: He was logged in as Donkey, reading and upvoting all ES's bullshit and making comments as Donkey. He read the challenge to ES and replied to it as Donkey, forgetting he wasn't logged in as ES.
Donkey only ever says a few things. He would be easy to LARP, with a very distinct voice, as bit characters usually are.
SchlongKeyhote ago
that doesn't make SENSE you RETARD wtf is wrong with you lmao
srayzie ago
Oh ok. @auralsects sure is being defensive today. I didn’t think he cared about anyone’s reputation. Not even his own.
14367277? ago
You gonna cry about it or something? If this is defamation for supposedly believing you are a subversive cunt then delete account and start a new one and stop being such a faggot. Simple as that, precious.
think- ago
Getting called 'vile slut' by you is definitely a badge of honour, Donkey. :-)
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EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Why can't you guys argue with facts and class. Slinging around curse names at each other is lame.
think- ago
You are replying to me, although it was Donkey who insulted me, but you don't call him out for that, but are attacking me? Interesting, @EffYouJohnPodesta. Really interesting.
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EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I didn't mean to attack you but you've attacked me left and right, so when I made my comment I didn't specify, as I assumed you'd also insulted him in the past as you have to me. If you read down, you'll see where I apologized for not believing the mods because I wanted proof. Vindicator showed me where he was the same person as aural sects and it all clicked for me.
think- ago
Unbelievable. You are still repeating your lies. Friendly reminder to everyone reading them: She never backed up her claims. Because she can't.
I'd suggest to stop gaslighting, EYJP. It gets somewhat tiresome.
@Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Crensch
Crensch ago
She's more than a little on the stupid side. Starting to look like she was wanting to ride esoteric coattails to get victimhood attention. That was a safe way to go because he was the asshole that attacked everybody for no reason, and as long as she went along with what he said she was safe.
Now she's on her own and failing to get that attention and also having to deal with not being protected.
She tried telling me her sob story in PMs. I'm assuming she was trying to Garner my sympathy and Gain my protection so she could continue posting her complete horseshit.
Come to think of it, the very fact that esoteric supported her makes me think that everything she's posted is bullshit. He wouldn't have supported something that was really hard-hitting or legitimate in any way.
think- ago
My deepest sympathies, @Crensch. And very interesting to hear.
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EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I'm sorry you feel that way.
ESOTERICshade ago
Nope. I will say this again for the 100th time. I am not the Donkey. The Donkey hates my guts and he rips me apart every time I speak. I am not @auralsects.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I thought Donkey got banned? Is he online talking to you somewhere? And if you are not oral sex or D2M then you should have tried harder to prove it yesterday. We're waiting to see what you can come up with. The comment Vindicator posts where aural sects responds where you're supposed to makes it look like you're doing it on purpose and not accidentally. In fact I have to wonder if a lot of people did this on purpose because it seems like I'm the one bearing the brunt of the tagging by mods and the verbal attacks. You must just be better at handling the verbal abuse than I am. But their refusing to provide evidence to me for 2 months while attacking me is a little disingenuous. Like anyone would just straight up believe anyone without some type of evidence.
ESOTERICshade ago
Some of his alts got banned but he is still here.
He comments to me every now and then, like he does everybody else, but I am not in direct communication with him.
They hate deathtoomasonsasap also because he won't kiss the mod ring.
I won't kiss his ass. Not gonna happen.
Try your best not to let it get you down. We all have a real life away from this forum. Me and you have been attacked in real life for what we do here. You got stalked in real life for this shit. I almost got killed over this shit. People don't understand what it is like until it happens to them, and then the shit gets real. We do this because we care.
I just let it roll of my back like water off a duck's back. I don't take it personally. My main goal is to keep my personal life running, get along with my family and friends, and do what I need to do.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Well even if you are aural sects, thank you for the $200, and if you do work for NSA / CIA / Media Matters / IARPA / CREATE / DID / Scientology, or whatever, that's the freaking least you guys could do in return for the things you guys did.
It was in response to a post made by Cc1914 asking people to help me because I was being attacked and "missing" online. I never told ANYONE about 90% of what ACTUALLY happened to me. When she tagged me I decided I would go ahead and accept the help and I created a go fund me. You donated to me and so did two other people.
My ex is constantly using it against me in court that I have created go fund me accounts in the past and someone is making comments about them on my blogs about Elsagate along with the Satanic comments. I have never raised enough to do much but for someone in my situation it was extremely helpful at the time.
Again, if you're actually Death To Masons or Aural Sects and you're running around pretending to be a nasty autogynephile or gaslighting me out of the blue on a post by Honeybee about the person sending me snuff films then that is creepy and scary.
If however you were framed for this or if it was a coordinated attack with the evidence against you not being given to me for 2 months while they put me on a "disinformation whore list" and verbally abused me for months then that would tend to make me think I don't need to come here ever again.
DarkKnight111 tried to bait me with a comment about my ex husband being on a hit list that I didn't notice at first because it was posted during a time I was really stressed out. Then Honeybee linked to the thread where he commented and I was posting as Greg Chism talking about Richard Dickeson. I just saw the first line of it and then later noticed a few days ago that he was implying my ex is on his hit list.
He links to a post that someone created about my ex doxxing him which I later found and told them that I wasn't in support of. In that post they gaslight the crap out of me and call me mentally ill and mock me because of my drama with my ex.
Come to find out I have proof that my ex was involved in that LARP that was circulated on here which I asked to be removed, and then later realize that it was a Defango style Cicada operation that they had been planning for months and it had his handwriting.
This all goes back to 2011 when he started planning out his revenge on me for leaving him, raped me, and then strategically waited to take my kids away, and started filing false report after false report.
I never imagined he would use this forum to get at me or that he would end up having real ties to someone from an operation I didn't even know existed.
None of the other people on this forum who I have seen have been through a similar experience, except perhaps you, but now it seems that you're fake and we can't trust what you say.
You're saying I've been through a lot and it is true, I have. For that I was called a liar by Vindicator in a PM and he says I'm just like Jem777, someone I never even knew while she was on here.
I recall that the mods claimed she was disinformation and I see where they are linking to a comment where you say the same.
I don't really give a crap if she is or isn't, I just know that this was made very confusing and if you're just going around trying to confuse people, it's working.
There are so many disinformation shills on here it's unreal. Have a nice life.
Vindicator ago
Really? Donkey claims no evidence, after dozens of links of evidence nailed his ((ass)) to the wall, and you repeat his bullshit claim of no facts and bitch at think- because he called her a slut? Your account needs to hire a better writer.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I wasn't repeating anything he said. I read through the comments and I didn't see the evidence presented in the thread above regarding Death2Masons. I didn't connect that you were saying he's Donkey at the time. At the time it looked like it was being presented as though it was a bunch of theories and impressions but your link that you provided in the other comment near this one is actually pretty compelling.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I don't have a hired writer Vindictor. I'm myself. Are you claiming that Donkey is ES? I'm a little lost there.
Are you serious that your claim he's DeathToMasonsASAP is credible with the evidence you posted? "Replied to a deep thread" is not proof.
Vindicator ago
Hmm...where did Crensch or I claim this? I pointed out suspicious behavior to Crensch, and asked D2M if he was an alt, which he didn't have the gonads to respond to, btw.
So now I have a question for you: Why are pushing the idea that I made a "serious" "credible" claim with "proof"? Why are you attempting to shift the meaning of the conversation?
ESOTERIC is a malicious, manipulative, dishonest user trying to hurt this subverse -- a fact I appraised you of months ago privately. We have proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Yet you are one of the accounts who has participated by both commentary and voting in advancing his agenda, and despite all the evidence we have presented, you are still doing it.
If you really are who you say you are -- a mother, a victim, someone who cares about the kids, an investigator trying to uncover the truth -- how can you defend his efforts to astroturf this sub and dismantle it? That is simply not believable behavior for someone who is trying to stop the Cabal from preying on kids.
ESOTERICshade ago
My submission history would paint a different picture from your picture. But whatever. Some folks need to get a real life
think- ago
That's pretty accurate, actually. Thanks @Vindicator for summing this up nicely.
@EricKaliberhall
Vindicator ago
His submission history is carefully curated to support his Grandpa Truther character. His comment history is the guano mine, LOL. :-)
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Your opinion on him is one thing but you haven't proved anything in this thread regarding his alleged dishonesty. That is my point. i understand there may be private things you cannot share. But accusing the DeathToMasons of being him, after that account gaslighted me - is rather important. I would tend to believe you about him if you proved that one thing.
Your new opinion and mistaken claims regarding me tends to invalidate my former feelings about your opinion of him. I might hold private reservations that I don't mention but that's not for public eyes. In fact, I have private reservations about many people here. I'm not going to air all of them for the public to see.
As I told you before, it's too dangerous to start discussing things like that.
Vindicator ago
You always seem to be a little lost, EYJP. Let me spell it out:
I based my conclusion that Donkey is ES on his very own words:
Donkey was replying to an accusation made to ESOTERIC. In the first person.
Now why would Donkey try to defend himself against a claim made about Esoteric, unless they are the same person?
ESOTERICshade ago
I am just now catching up on some of this stuff. Now I am also the Donkey. You guys are too much.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I read through your comment and I agree with you now it looks kind of fishy. I missed all the Donkey drama in the very beginning and paid no attention to it. The only thing I could come up with for how they're not the same person would be if aural sects intentionally stated that in order to appear as though he was ES. It is not impossible but it seems highly unlikely that that would be the reason. Can't an admin just verify that Donkey / ES / D2M or some of these have similar IP address histories? Or is that not possible here?
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
ok, I will have to go back and see where that was said. I'm really confused at the moment. Gimme a few.
Crensch ago
Thanks to his slip up, it's entirely possible that it is though. If that's the hill you want to die on, I've got lots more where that came from. Maybe I'll think it worthwhile to post that along with digging through your own comments and maybe finding a link between you and him that looks suspicious enough for others to conclude you're either part of the same group or you are the same person.
Do you want to volunteer to go into that microscope? Who knows, maybe I won't find that, but I'll go through your submissions and rip you apart and show you that you're a useless cunt that has never provided anything useful to pizzagate whatsoever. Maybe I'll make a megathread on that.
Nobody ever believes me when I tell them these things, but I'm done being nice. You can tuck your tail and slink away, you can apologize, or you can keep at this and find out why so many usernames acting like Jews and shills have been deleted because of me.
Will you be the first username ever to make the smart move here? No. You won't. Because you're a stupid cunt.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
I already gave you all of the alts I've ever used on here. We're not the same person, and I'm reasonably sure you know that. You can microscope me all you want, you'll only come up with the conclusion that I'm Amy James the entire time. I don't know his real name, I just know mine. None of you on here use your real names. I'm the only person I know of who does, except for a few people who got doxxed. My friend Jenny Hatch said that she just doxxes herself to avoid problems and I've been using my real name on the internet since 2006 so, I never saw any reason not to do so, until perhaps 2017 when I first had serious problems from stalkers.
Crensch ago
Do you only read every other word that people write or something? Read my words again. Then look at what I've done to esoteric. Then read my words again. Then have someone smarter than you read my words to You and explain them.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Crensch you can't expect me to come to this whole thread with anything but a skeptical eye, after the way that you have behaved towards me for the past 6 weeks. I may be corrected here about ES. Calm down please.
Crensch ago
Look up tone fallacy, then look at what website you are on, then literally fuck yourself until your brain starts working.
How I've treated you has no bearing on anything, and it won't change. In fact, I've been nicer to you than I probably should have been. If there is such a thing as kid gloves from me, you got them.
I would say you're welcome, but I didn't do you any favors by coddling you.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Sorry, but we're in completely different leagues as far as "kid gloves" are concerned. I never asked for kid gloves but I guess common decency would be nice. Have a great night.
Crensch ago
You never asked for them, but you got them anyway. I reserved common decency for people who don't appear to be subverting my website. I reserved common decency for people who don't attack my mods and support Those Who attack my mods.
You want a little common decency without earning it? Talk to my mods. They're fucking Saints. They're so goddamn patient and nice that it drives me nuts. If esoteric hadn't caused me problems, I wouldn't be here calling you a cunt and making you feel stupid and worthless.
You want to be a little bit of a cunt and still have people be nice to you? Drop esoteric. Apologize to everyone. Then shut your whore mouth when it comes to defending yourself or esoteric. Your current position is indefensible and the only way out is a complete and utter admittance of fault and wrongdoing. Then someday, months from now, you can be a little bit of a cunt and my mods won't call me to deal with you right away.
Everything you're getting right now is a direct result of your own actions and you need to own up to that like a God damn adult instead of acting like a blameless child.
You had your chance to play nice before I made this post, and you made your choice.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
OK, that's great... notice I still never returned the insults the same way that you do. I don't feel stupid or worthless actually, and now that it seems that I was shown actual evidence, I'm glad you went to such lengths to protect the forum. So thank you.
It appears that he is probably actually aural sects like you said. I'm kind of shocked, though not completely... I guess I was just waiting to see proof because I was attacked for following him and automatically assumed it was B.S.
If you guys had any IP address to prove it I assume you would have done hat, so I apologize.
I'm not going to stop defending myself
Actually I just told Vindicator I agreed with him now, after the link he gave me in the comments from 6 months ago - would have been nice to have read that one before, but I didn't know it existed.
I admit I was mistaken, but I didn't come to my conclusion from wrong doing.
There you go again calling me a cunt when I had no idea and I was basing my opinion on information I had at the time, so I'm sorry, but I wasn't "being a cunt" in my own eyes.
I don't see how. Nobody is perfect and not every person on this forum is perfect but please excuse me for being slightly paranoid about the mods after Eric started attacking me out of the blue and the rest of you followed suit.
Have a nice night and thank you for this post.
ESOTERICshade ago
Nope. I'm not Donkey. The Donkey hates my guts. He gives me hell. I sort of have a love/hate relationship with the Donkey. But I am certainly not him.
Crensch ago
I don't "turn to insults" as if they're some kind of last resort of the desperate, you stupid cow. You get them when you deserve them.
You're welcome.
Nobody but the site owner can get IP addresses. We work with what we have, and most of us old goats have gotten damn good at knowing when someone isn't quite right before we can prove it.
He posted a link that wasn't in my OP?
Your intentions do not excuse your behaviour - no matter what happens going forward, you picked the wrong horse to bet on.
Eh, if you can act like a fucking decent human going forward you might be OK. Get your shit together.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Yes I believe so, it was to a 6 month old thread outing ES with aural sects responding where ES should have replied and didn't. hang on I'll get the exact link to his comment so you'll see. What I don't understand is why when I was attacked for replying to him, nobody just told me about that thread in the first place but it's ok. Bridge over troubled water.
ESOTERICshade ago
I make it a habit NOT to reply to every comment made to me. Waste of time and energy. If I replied to every comment made to me I would have to live on the internet. Not gonna do it.
Crensch ago
Edited now for clarity - the paragraph with auralsects and "donkey".
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
might wanna make the whole part about that username bold...
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
thanks =)
Crensch ago
That was in my OP already. I didn't tell you what to look for, so maybe that's why you overlooked it.
It's a huge deal, but I wanted others to come to that conclusion, and assumed they had. My bad on that one.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
ok, please forgive my slip up