Marina Abramovic is an Aleister Crowley follower, she's not joking at all. It's not a Halloween costume, she is a satanist. Chicken might be a code for child. But I agree that email "sacrifice chicken to Moloch" looks like a joke. But it looks like a joke with some truth to it, because Moloch is a god adored by the Bohemian Grove, a republican-related cult.

Besta changed their logo after this broke. The original had the unmistakable triangular spiral logo inside that pizza.

I agree, there is no real distinction between the 'liberals' and the 'republicans'. Racist is not the correct term I suppose, xenophobic is. And I'm more than aware of the ease at which Obama uses drones and deportation as methods of control. I know that the racist term was that was slung at Trump by people trying to halt his campaign (that went well). I hated Trump during the election, but I really had to bite my tongue when people spoke about Hillary. Her pathalogical lies, shady arms deals, and rich history of hardcore racism are no secret and she's clearly part of an elite ruling dynasty. I just worry becuase Trump actually insights violence at his rallies. Of course I know the f***ing DNC were staging it and ensuring news coverage, but Trump does not speak with a compassion for human being that I would like to see in a leader.

Jimmy Carter and Obama both temporarily banned Muslims from entering the country, but when Trump says the same the media says that's unconstitutional and "unprecedented" and "racist". The media attacks claimed that Pence was anti-gay because he advocated for homosexuals to be reeducated, but he just advocated to stop government funding of organizations which promote the spread of aids, such as via sexual promiscuity and "bug chasing". He also wanted to fund organizations which help reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS. Know what I think is "anti-Gay"? Presenting HIV as a gay disease, like the leftist media did.

You're damn right about this too and I'll remember this example for when someone tries to blame Republicans for all the owes of the world. As for TV, I don't even own one. Until recently I read one MS news paper but I cant anymore becuase it just makes me angry.

A good friend and I have also noted that Trump doesn't like NATO and is planning on stopping the TPP, which to us is the most liberal thing we've heard in a long time. Though I'm not happy about his desire for the EU to spend more on 'defense', and I can't see him trimming back the $598 billion defense budget.

Frankly the more I consider the current political landscape the less I understand it. I know what Hillary and the Super-Elites are up to, but the role of Trump in their narrative elludes me.

Well, if you want to discredit Comet Ping Pong for being a place for children, just point to this review back in 2007 https://www.washingtonian.com/2007/10/01/pizza-wars

"Comet has positioned itself as a thoroughly adult space, as dark and moody as anything in New York’s Soho neighborhood, with a self-conscious design that turns the place into a sly piece of performance art (pizza included). Nothing to stop a ten-year-old from eating here, but there’s no way he’d get it."

Hey, his words, not mine . ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The person said: "I think it has a map that seems pizza-related". The meaning is a little ambiguous, but to me there's no doubt it's a map. The doubt is if the map is "pizza-related" (the hell that means) or not. It doesn't matter if it's hand-drawn or printed. The problem is, what the hell "pizza-related" means? It's clearly a code for something.

TY I've been using my phone, guess I do need to migrate to my desktop. Did you see the vid I'm talking about?

Yep, I'm British too. Your friend circle must be pretty retarded because that's not what happens in mine. We use rationality.

It's still children.

If it is on a handkerchief, I would imply it was not "printed". It was drawn by someone. Maybe some guy made a "pizza-related" map and gave it to podesta. I think if it were a pizzeria, the guy would just give him an address. If he drew a map maybe this "pizza" is difficult to find, out of town or something.

I think it's more because of the context, of all the weird crypto-pedo shit he posts. What do you say about posting a baby's face and #hotard? This guy is creepy.

Yes. We should sticky a running list of false claims to cover our asses.

http://whale.to/b/springmeier_formula.html

Sorry but I wouldn't be comfortable with satanists as high ranking politicians in my country, doing bizarre rituals like Abramovic's Spirit Cooking. It's sinister and they might do illegal stuff, like pedophilia and child sacrifices. Invoking the name of Moloch, which is a god associated to child sacrifice, is a little odd in this context. Also they'll sacrifice a "chicken", that we learned is a code for something else (remeber #chickenlovers?). Extremely creepy stuff. If you're fine with it, ok, but I'm not.

Wow this is huge! Please make a topic on that.

Oh really? Please do explain the links provided by other users. @pizzagateruinsvoat? Hello? Are you there?

The arch of hysteria is headless like Dalhmer's victim. It is strange that both the artist and Mr. Podesta would prefer this depiction over a complete human in the arch of hysteria pose.

The point in your argument is don't go creating strawmen and you're right, plenty have been created. I see TrutherGirls on YouTube has been shredding pizzagate suggesting that it's part of a false Flag psyop. This is because of misinformation and dangling strawmen.

Alefantis says the girl's sister taped her to the table. They photographed it cause they thought it was funny. It's in the tour of his pizza shop video. It's a plausible story.

Did you see the torture seen?! It looked like a tied up young man! I'm not able to slow it down (using iPhone). Would it be a bother to list the pics? The first one looks like a cannibal tribal person. There are bumper seats with many babies, but the torture seen was terrible looking.

On the third debunk; no way is this photo significant to climate change and the planet's innocent creatures. Doesn't fit in the least (it's a lame excuse). What is much more plausible is the myth that is already been submitted. https://concordiaabchao.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/john-podesta-goldfish-14-and-osiris/ By far the above explanation makes sense in light of the entire discovery.

I'm comfortable discussing all 3 scenarios with no worries of lame debunkers. They will say anything to weasel out of this. One awesome thing is your Boum Boum discovery though. I'd like to know where that establishment is compared to the "devil's neighborhood".

The "Boum Boum" photo was taken directly off Alefantes' Facebook page. Even though it was assumed to be his sign, it was the implication of such a room. You gave good research of what type of place had the sign. Is it near Comet and the other businesses? Maybe they allow underage in there? Young boys? It's worth looking into, you may have stumbled onto something significant. Maybe Alefante frequents the place? Or is advertising it for his insidious hook-ups for money?

The 14 and the fish on John PĒD-esta's hands. That photo is attached to a Wikileaks email where he says he's happy about the #14 item on a climate change agenda: protecting the oceans and sea life. Even if there's a double meaning, the fact that there's a simple explanation is enough to ruin your/our credibility if we go repeating that crap.

So if there's a double meaning, the other meaning is crap? You can extend that argument to pizza a hot-dogs, too. A lot of people don't like the idea that there's some seriously dark shit going on in Washington DC. Here's a very simple example to show that it exists.

“For me, it has always been about trying to live up to the responsibility described by the Prophet Micah that we do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with our God” ~ Hillary Clinton at a Baptist convention.

The thing is that the responsibility described by Hillary simply isn't mention in the book of Micah.

http://forum.clonehost.net/post/296

I have to doubt the debunk of the "Arch of Hystetia." Dalmer was caught in 1991 and murdered in 1994. The "art" was rendered in 1993. It's an exact replica of Dalmer's victim; the arm and legs are expanded because it's suspended freely in the air which would stretch out the limbs, the victim in the photo was collapsed on the mattress. "Bourgeois makes this highly vulnerable position even more so by suspending her male figure from the ceiling. In choosing to represent him in an attitude traditionally associated with the female...."

Dalmer's victim was male, note the protruding pelvic bones and ribs, exactly the same. Maybe Bourgeois was inspired by the photo? Look at the time frames. She was commissioned by Carnegie (whole other can of worms). Either way, it's very very easy to connect her sculpture with the photo.

Great post. Way too many new accounts are pre-emptively trying to discredit the occult aspect. It's like they never saw the evidence - half of which is pointing in that direction.

Good examples and you're right about making unsupported claims. That said, we should not over-police and over-question. It stifles research and creates internal conflict. If something is fully debunked, put it in a sticky and point it out - that's all. Don't divide the troops for the sake of "reputation". That unicorn is not going to run.

Link https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51189

I mean, they got a lot of heat for it in the press, so they eventually changed up their ad campaign for the most part, but it's still known for it.

Here's the artists inspiration (sketch by French psychologist in the 1800s) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a9/0e/17/a90e17d96a38303be62b6a0c0d10553e.jpg

I second that. Good post

Good thread, wanted to do that myself since a couple of days but my english is too crappy. #1 is debatable, though.

Do you plan to update it as time goes on? If so, I agree with what Skanda said earlier, the 'James Alefantis = j'aime les enfants' thing sounds like complete bs since the beginning to me.

Lot of mad disinfo agents in this thread, btw. Keep up the good work!

I've debunked stuff, have been ignored.

I have put out enough actionable info to shut a "charity" down. I asked for help. Once again I was ignored.

I gave guidance as to following a money trail with regards to Marina the spirit cooker. Once again, ignored.

Money trails are what will put these people in jail, not much else. That is the reality of things. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Wow - lots of reaction to this. It seems like most people get the spirit of what I was saying. Others think I'm being a shithead.
This whole idea came to me because I watched like 3 videos in a row that were really emphasizing and focusing on things that are easy to disprove or just very circumstantial / subjective. I want to be able to convince the people closest to me to take a serious look at this, and I know that if I point them at videos or articles like that (or anything Alex Jones / infowars publishes) they'll roll their eyes and it'll be almost impossible to get them back.

There's research on this site with documents tying people and money to places and organizations that are WAY more compelling leads (imo) and I think would make a jury pay attention. My point was, that we should have an objective team scrutinize the "facts" posted here just as critically as anything else so that if we were presenting them to a jury, we could feel confident that there wouldn't be a "My Cousin Vinnie" moment in the court room, where some overlooked detail in a photo causes reasonable doubt, and these sick fucks walk free.

Whoever said we should have a Wikipedia page format is totally right.

Also re: the sculpture and Dahmer - the thing is, the sculpture depicts fear and agony. That IS some crazy taste in art. Demonstrating Podesta's affinity for art that evokes those emotions is way more compelling than saying it resembles how Jeffery dhamer posed one of his victims. Christ, maybe dhamer was inspired by this artist... Point is, if you look at that dhamer victim photo (it's out there you can find it), yup it's headless and the back is arched. The arms and legs are folded in a particular intentional way that's not at all like this sculpture though. So to me, it's actually a distraction to try to make the connection.

Also, I hate the word "debunk," but....

that wasn't how it saw it being used on the reddit sub.

I agree these are three examples of bad investgative conclusions, however let's look at all three closer:

1) the sculpture was made after the Dahmer killings and it's missing its head. Whatever the story of the statue, it peculiarly resembles a serial killers murder, which he claimed was art.

2) the boum boum room is a bar at La'enfant cafe ... it's more appropriately called La'enfant boum boum room .... sick.

3) point taken - but we know these people like to hide in plain sight. High level occultist could have easily made #14 in these global initiatives that one .. and then Podesta scrawling it on his hands in ink is just ... weird. No?

Theres nothing wrong with running with these ideas, they reduce the worries of the enemies and sometimes they are actually double meanings to things. These are the same circles that made up the climate change agenda so could use such things as maps to code. The agenda itself is quite bogus anyway. "Global warming" was debunked and"climate change" is a normal progression of the earths natural climate change so it can't be debunked, but the way they are playing it is totally fake.

But I think most people do debunk naturally, skepticism is our second nature.

We need a Sticky with debunked nonsense. Another one is the supposed message board post about their app. This is disinfo nonsense to make pizzagate look bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsH5_nUFS70

Beware Alex Jones.

It's important to convince the naive public that we're not shills nor "out there" conspiracy theorists. I was reading on GLP (GodLikeProductions) and linked this site without commentary for those readers from other countries who weren't familiar with specific details of Pizzagate. I was immediately banned from GLP and they did not print my post with the link to this site. I've heard rumors GLP has CIA connections or sponsorship. The same has been true for other YouTube regular creators.

In regards to number 3,with the 14 and fish: I wouldn't necessarily discount the possibility that this references the occult. Especially considering all the other evidence, it makes it less likely that this is JUST about climate change. Although that is certainly a possibility, and we should be careful to note that alternative interpretations are possible. We shouldn't stake our whole case on any one piece of evidence. Let all the facts together present their case. Don't necessarily toss out a piece of evidence that might make people think though, like the 14/fish picture. But you're right it could hurt our credibility if we point to it like "LOOK 100% PROOF" and then it ends up being discredited.

And the damn menu. We debunked that here, but its showing up everywhere.

You're right, Beyonce really is a child eating lizard from another dimension with 10 clones walking around. Stupid me, classifying that as nonsense.

P.S.: what's grossly counter-productive is speculations, assumptions, sensationalism, personal attacks, infighting and monetizing information. A lot of "conspiracy theorists" are guilty of all 6.

I never said the contrary. In the absolute best case, he is accomplice to the charge of child rape, sequestration, psychological and physical abuse, kidnapping, traffic and probably even murder. He totally deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life and share his cell with a gang of horny homosexual rapists.

What's most important right now is using 1 place for the investigation, combining all our powers and let the contributors decide what information is relevant, confirmed or refuted (in the form of upvotes and downvotes for example). There is no room for speculation or assumptions in an investigation! Just sum up all the facts as clear as possible with the source included.

You don't have to be scared about burying relevant information. There is an unbelievable overload of bad information. The only thing we can do is distance ourselves from people or information that we disagree with or that you we can refute.

What makes you think 9/11 conspiratards are taken anymore seriously than there were 15 years ago?

The whole "James Alefantis" = J'aime L'enfants is nonsense. Alefantis is his real name.

What we need is a wiki in the wikipedia style. That way, we can discuss about the facts, link them to sources, and make the text evolve as new elements come in and keep a history of changes so that we can rollback in case of dispute.

I agree with a fair bit of what you said. But I do think Trump is a racist, unless he's just pretending be a dick to get into power. Though I also saw Hillary as a soulless bitch. Also I don't know where you live but my mates and family are totally aware that England didn't join WW2 to save the Jews.

arguably you could say infiltrated

Indeed. A classic counter-intelligence tactic is to drawn the fish by having shills write so much non-sense that the signal ends up being almost entirely covered by the noise and loses all credibility. If you see people starting to spin facts and exagerate claims, make completely baseless theories or try to steer the discussion away from its current topic, they are likely shills. No point fighting with them. Just ignore them.

Just started FACT CHECK topic here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1454113

I'm not sure if it will go somewhere but if you could just post a link to any info with a category we should put it on then it could help us a lot IMHO.

The more I see shills repeating ridiculous debunking theories, I realize how ridiculous your post is. You're the one that came on here and advanced the debunking theory about the number 14 and fish, aren't you? Or you're colluded with that poster.

Yes, I think it's important to debunk, but Alefantis doesn't get to tell us what's the truth and neither do you.

I agree with #1 and #2. Regarding #3, if you are referring to the other interpretation of 14 + fish being an occult reference to Osiris, it wouldn't be surprising if that had a double meaning. After all why would Podesta be particularly happy to have number 14 associated to marine life to the point where he would bother writing that on his hands and have someone else take a pic of him? Obviously he thought that was a good private joke for his peers with similar (occult) cultural references. That being said, I agree that we should drop that part entirely from the investigation because having some culture of the antique mythology and occult symbology is hardly a crime, and it would indeed appear as childish and "conspirationist" to consider that as circumstantial evidence of anything. This remains a good element to support separate conspiracy theories that the global elite is involved in a sort of cult, but that indeed won't do anything to help convince the FBI to investigate the DC pedophile ring. In other words, we should focus exclusively on establishing who is a part of the ring, establishing the relationship between the members of the ring, and provide for each member sufficient circumstencial evidence of pedophile activity to establish reasonable doubt and warrant an official investigation.

The problem is any time you question anything here at all you have 5-10 idiots calling you a shill. So a lot of people just keep quite.Just because someone isn't swallowing everything they're being fed that doesn't mean they're a shill.

Ok so get the truth in central place. Or let people keep doing whatever they are doing because it's working. A simple search for pizza brings up so many wtf are they talking about MSM articles. More "normal" non thinking ppl are thinking just fine. I personally don't care what they think as long as they are questioning. I've waited 10 years for this "awakening". And every time I see a post like this I immediately think counter opposition. It's my opinion, don't care if you disagree. That's the beauty of it. This time it's about child trafficking, raping, murdering, possibly eating, definitely blood draining, children. CPS Foster care, all the "charities" are being exposed. Without the help of anyone. People are actually doing their research and people like you complain. MSM is trash and about to fail. Who cares if one piece of evidence is wrong, this will never go to Court Room. This is citizen Justice 100%. 99% vs 1%. Your entire point is irrelevant. And the ppl worrying about what PedoMSM will call you, Grow a pair.

No, people like me look into each assertion or proof that comet-pizza is a front for pedophilia, and we find that all the so called evidence is based on carefully out of context edited bile.

I think it's important to preface assumptions as such. For instance, "the art at Tony Podesta's house could be x, or y explanation and is part of what seems to be a mountain of extremely odd art and preferences, in my opinion. His odd taste in artists and artistry is just part of the picture woven together with, up to now, compelling yet circumstantial evidence." Obviously there are a number of ways to say it, but we need to be careful not to allow assumptions to become part of the evidentiary story.

My thought: 1. Thanks for the link. 2. Please cite your source. 3. No debunk at all. Conclusion: You only made a minor correction, and you called it "debunking"? Try harder, don't be as lazy as the MSM.

I agree that debunking is essential, but some of your debunking is just not accurate. For instance, the "Arch of Hysteria" sculpture. Yes, we know what is said about why Louise Bourgeois created it, but the position predates her. It actually is an iconic pose of one possessed by The Devil. Hence, why it's seen in so many films. The sculpture had been written about as concerns it being an identical pose of those who were thought afflicted by demonic possession. Dahmer undoubtedly knew this also and had his victim's pose in this position. Bourgeois also was well-acquainted with psychiatry and the process so there's no way she did not know about the position either. She just did her take on it.

https://remedianetwork.net/2014/06/23/the-arch-of-hysteria/

As to Podesta's hand pic, the first time I saw that photo, Mike Cernovich on Twitter used it to point out the bandage on Tony's middle finger is in the exact position of where Marina Abramovic suggested the cut be made for Spirit Cooking. Then there's the number of other cuts on his hand.

The Boum Boum room is the only one I would agree with you on. It's not there ... not.

I'm talking about people that are spreading information not doing their research. Have you seen conspiracy videos on the internet? Before you know it people are talking about completely made up nonsense. Or is Beyonce really a lizard from another dimension, worshiping the devil, feeding on negative energy of the fans? Oh and the Illuminati cloned her 10 times, obviously!

Also what's even more ridiculous and actually kinda funny is that they even accuse each other of being shills/disinfo agents if they have different assumptions about a topic. You see this already happening with Pizzagate. And not to forget the psyop talk (without any evidence as always).

Yes. Always stick to the facts, and make no assumptions. I think if this conspiracy is proven to be true in the eyes of the public, then they will rethink some of the other conspiracy theories in recent history: Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, 9/11, etc.

What a mess this world is going to be for the next few years, but I'm all for it. It's the only way to clean up the corruption.

I go into more shit in my post that is debunked:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1453054

Debunking is a word that should be banned on VOAT. It is a psyop word invented by THEM to discredit the conspiracies they are involved in on a daily basis. Just visit SNOPES or WIKIPEDIA and you will know what i mean.

I'd also like to point out that this pic of Obama and a young girl that people keep throwing in their Pizza Gate collages is him with his niece. /pol/ in particular keeps doing this. If it was just some random girl visiting The White House then yeah it would be creepy. But that's more of a Joe Biden move.

1: somebody already said this but: its still fucked and totally resembles Dahlmer victim. 2: I've never seen the BBR in any context other than that it's a related business, the fuck are you talmbout 3:Fair enough

I agree that there should be a sticky/megathread for debunked claims. Everything is happening very quickly, and each individual can only dig so far. Another person digs deeper (like with the fish thing) and a commonly-held belief is shattered. We need easy access to disproved claims.

Even if no sticky is created, you did good work in spreading this knowledge.

Well, it's not. It's fucked up, but it's the artist's rendition of someone writhing violently in a psychotic fit.

Someone without a HEAD will probably not be writhing around for very long. the headless aspect of it is pretty hard to ignore.

About the points you said: 1 - Even if it's not Dahmer, it's still a disturbing piece of art, like all the art the Podestas like. 2 - The Boum Boum Room is not from Comet, but it's from a friend of James Alefantis, he is the one in the photo with the t-shirt L'aime L'Enfant or something like that. He is the owner of the L'enfant bar. He's probably part of the gay-pedo network. 3 - I didn't know this photo had this explanation, thanks!

I hear you, but I wouldn't worry about these sort of forums being self-policeable. Let it be spitballing and chaos and let the cream rise to the top or the gold sift out of the sludge, or whatever analogy.

Good post. Here are some facts I gathered which cannot be debunked. We should focus on solid proofs, not bullshit. I think the smoking gun is the connection between Marina Abramovic, James Alefantis and the Podesta brothers. We should focus on that.

If #Pizzagate is not real, then we have to believe that:

• John Podesta is just a foodie, he loves pizza and pasta and talk about it all the time
• Podesta loves pizza so much that he draws "pizza-related" maps so he doesn't forget where are his favourite pizzerias.
• People play dominoes on pizza and pasta, but it's difficult to decide which one is better
• Marina Abramovic was just inviting Tony Podesta to a normal dinner at her place. She called Spirit Cooking like an inside joke, because of the strange and satanic shit she's been doing all her life.
• Marina Abramovic is not a satanist, she's a lovely lady in real life, the bizarre shit she does is just her artistic self.
• Tony Podesta is a lovely guy who happens to have a strange taste for art. He likes some disturbing pieces of art, and that's all.
• James Alefantis is just a family restaurant owner who happens to have a very dark sense of humor and also a strange taste for art, based on the artists he invite to his family restaurant. He just like to post photos of lovely kids and babies, and make very dark comments. His followers also have that dark sense of humor and they just have a good time.
• It's perfectly normal to "really want a pizza for an hour." Next time you go to the pizzeria you can order "2 hours of pizza".
• James Alefantis love chicken so much he accidently post a man holding a baby , instead of him eating chicken ...#chickenlover
• Price of chicken is high , that's why its a sacrifice to give one to the puppy name Moloch. Moloch here is NOT the name of a god associated with child sacrifice. He's really talking about Chicken.
• The Majestic Ape is just a creepy artist (not a cryptopedo/satanist at all), and that is totally appropriate for a "family restaurant" like Comet Ping Pong. Bring your kids there to play some ping pong. Also they have a very creepy painting on the wall, just don't let your kids see that, they may have nightmares.
• The pedo symbolism in Sex Stains video and Besta Pizza is just a coincidence.
• Podesta also bought pillows and forgot them in someone else's home. This person was getting a hard time finding the pillows in her home, because pillows are very small and hard to find, I guess.

Maybe the best way to reduce this loss-of-credibility factor is to be as honest as possible when presenting any possible evidence by letting it speak for itself, or not, rather than making any strong claims about it. People will still misunderstand but at least it's on them then.

Reddit's Trump trolls are freaking out—and they're right

[ Remember the MODS here at /v/pizzagate are reddit trump trolls ]

mashable.com/2016/11/30/reddit-spez-pizzagate/222

The entire narrative was debunked a month ago, but even now the mod's here still delete and ban anything that challenges the 4chan/reddit meme.

Look at the 1M view in spanish yesterday, they have the satanic band playing, they have sub-titles in spanish, at the end the announcer say's "And the magic ingredient in the kitchen is KETCHUP" , the sub-title goes blank when he says this, in all edited version I have seen here, the ketchup statement has been edited out. So now we know too that the famous satanic band that talks about secret sauce is also mind-fuck. ... One of the most troubling LIES I see is Alex Jones who say's there are 1,000's of references to Pizza in Podesta email, no there is not, there are 18 at most, again people cherry-pick and alex-jones & co fuel a witch-hunt

The instagram photos it was a pubic restaurant, a teenage hangout it was common to post crazy stuff, and I think many of the photos and comments were posted by the ALT-TARD from 4chan/reddit

In summary all of pizzagate is LIE, now its impossible to discuss real child-sex slavery in USA because you will be ignored, I hope all the mod assholes at voat on this sub are happy. Me thinks that they're all pedo's, remember all this came from 4chan, a place where last year was rampant with real child-porn, CP, and they used pizza as their code-word.

My point is always look at those that do the name calling, because its usually a cover.

I suggested in the "Should we remove the Australian rugby " thread a number of already disproven theories, but still see them pop up as "facts" on videos. My suggestion was we have a DEBUNKED thread stickied and admis only update it. Newbs show up and post false stuff about a dozen times a day and we could send them there.

To make these sticky is an EXCELLENT suggestion. It also makes it harder for shills and kids, to spam the forum with old, but sensationalist headlines and create attention from those, that are not so well informed.

Yes. We must present facts and facts only. I don't believe anyone said it was a tribute to Jeffrey Dahmer (there is no way of knowing that) but rather it is identical to the pose Dahmer put one of his victims in. The victim was headless as well. But yes, like I said, we must present facts.

The only way 9/11 "Truthers" have been discredited is if you listen to the mainstream media portrayal of them. I don't think all of the silly theories mean anything, except that everybody KNOWS that the official narrative does not hold together. It's not conspiracy theorists jobs to explain everything, I don't think. Just plant the seeds of questioning/doubt.

I agree, but I do want to point out that sometimes if we're so focused on debunking, we'll miss out on something. Just like the Andrew Breitbart tweet insinuating Podesta covers up sex slave/trafficking. Everyone tried debunking it because of the ACORN ordeal. Yes, it had to do with ACORN, but it is significant to everything else we know.

I do wonder about the Arch of Hysteria. It does CLEARLY look like the pose of Dhamer's victims. So I do wonder why he purchased that art piece. It represents pain, yes... but it could be for that reason, and the fact it looks like Dhamer's victim's pose. We don't know why, but it's good to keep it in mind as well.

I agree it's not really debunked because an artist can say anything s/he wants about their art, it doesn't make it so. But it still needs to be included in the discussion, just as Alefantis' denials do.

agreed - people are not being nearly careful enough

100% in accord. Confirmation bias is our worst enemy.

Also, who is to say that Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't inspired by the art as well... Alefantis's Instagram avatar is a statue of a boy toy of a Roman emperor. Like Podesta, Alefantis cannot hide his evil, it's everywhere, open and it's obvious. What else is eerily concerning is the automatic refusal by the MSM to open this Pandora box, why is that? Doesn't it make you wonder why, when millions of innocent children lives are at stake? For me not really, see Planned Parenthood. I would bet they're intricately tied into all of this as well. We know they're harvesting and selling babies, about how many degrees more disturbed and sinister would these people have to be to also include Satanic "Spirit Cooking" rituals to their list of backroom "services." I feel extremely comfortable in saying, not many more.

Debunking isn't the problem. People making assumptions, without doing any research, is. These are 3 good examples of just that.

There is a reason people think a certain way about conspiracy theorists, it's because a lot of people take it way too far and stop checking for facts somewhere along the way and go into imagination land. Illuminati, celebrity deaths, satanism, human cloning, aliens, end times prophecy and all that are good examples of that. There is some element of truth in them, but 90% of the content you find is complete made-up nonsense.

Right... unless someone starts taking 9/11 truthers seriously in the next 5 years, it'll be "decades". Isn't that crazy in itself. There's fucking thermite residue in pulverized concrete dust. The entire crime scene was literally a smoking gun for months, and yet here we are...

Just the part where people try to link it to Dahmer. It's an unnecessary stretch.

Very good post. I'm sure there are more "proofs" that can be easily debunked and to make the whole movement laughable. It would be great if somebody could make a list of

• 1 - confirmed facts,

• 2 - unconfirmed info,

• 3 - false info.

Very good post. Also of note: The Andrew Breitbart tweet is in reference to John Podesta's defense of ACORN in 2010 when James O'Keefe made sting videos against ACORN. James O'Keefe posed as a pimp and tried to get ACORN workers' help in setting up a brothel. Videos appeared to show them helping him; ACORN was widely condemned and lost so much funding that they went under. However, in later investigations some of the workers were vindicated as the videos were proved to be deceptively edited and James O'Keefe paid a 10,000 dollar settlement. tl;dr the Andrew Breitbart tweet probably doesn't have anything to do with Pizzagate. But it's still of note that John Podesta was quick to jump on the defense of what everyone believed was a pedophile ring.