DEBUNKING is important too. Hear me out. (pizzagate)

submitted ago by WatcherWatcher

Hey guys, first of all, I am 100% convinced there's both smoke and fire with this whole thing. It's huge. BUT There are a lot of videos and articles out there that are repeating "facts" that have been debunked. Even if you tell someone 10 incontrovertible facts, if 1 thing is debunked, that's the only thing they'll focus on. For instance

  1. a lot of people point to the "Arch of Hysteria" sculpture in Tony Podestas house and say "it's a tribute to Jeffery Dahmer..." Well, it's not. It's fucked up, but it's the artist's rendition of someone writhing violently in a psychotic fit. Source: https://www.gallery.ca/en/see/collections/artwork.php?mkey=100798

  2. The "Boum Boum Room" pic isn't from Comet. It's a club (a total get drunk and fuck each other club, mind you, but a club in DC nonetheless). Very easy to be discredited if you try to point to this and say, "why is this at a family friendly pizza joint?" It's not.

  3. The 14 and the fish on John PĒD-esta's hands. That photo is attached to a Wikileaks email where he says he's happy about the #14 item on a climate change agenda: protecting the oceans and sea life. Even if there's a double meaning, the fact that there's a simple explanation is enough to ruin your/our credibility if we go repeating that crap.

Point is We should STRONGLY police ourselves and have a sticky post for all debunked garbage, so we don't go ruining our own credibility. Otherwise we'll end up like 9-11 Truthers, fighting to be taken seriously for decades, and a whole lot of kids are going to become "pizza-related"

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thezodiac ago

Good post. Here are some facts I gathered which cannot be debunked. We should focus on solid proofs, not bullshit. I think the smoking gun is the connection between Marina Abramovic, James Alefantis and the Podesta brothers. We should focus on that.

If #Pizzagate is not real, then we have to believe that:

  • John Podesta is just a foodie, he loves pizza and pasta and talk about it all the time
  • Podesta loves pizza so much that he draws "pizza-related" maps so he doesn't forget where are his favourite pizzerias.
  • People play dominoes on pizza and pasta, but it's difficult to decide which one is better
  • Marina Abramovic was just inviting Tony Podesta to a normal dinner at her place. She called Spirit Cooking like an inside joke, because of the strange and satanic shit she's been doing all her life.
  • Marina Abramovic is not a satanist, she's a lovely lady in real life, the bizarre shit she does is just her artistic self.
  • Tony Podesta is a lovely guy who happens to have a strange taste for art. He likes some disturbing pieces of art, and that's all.
  • James Alefantis is just a family restaurant owner who happens to have a very dark sense of humor and also a strange taste for art, based on the artists he invite to his family restaurant. He just like to post photos of lovely kids and babies, and make very dark comments. His followers also have that dark sense of humor and they just have a good time.
  • It's perfectly normal to "really want a pizza for an hour." Next time you go to the pizzeria you can order "2 hours of pizza".
  • James Alefantis love chicken so much he accidently post a man holding a baby , instead of him eating chicken ...#chickenlover
  • Price of chicken is high , that's why its a sacrifice to give one to the puppy name Moloch. Moloch here is NOT the name of a god associated with child sacrifice. He's really talking about Chicken.
  • The Majestic Ape is just a creepy artist (not a cryptopedo/satanist at all), and that is totally appropriate for a "family restaurant" like Comet Ping Pong. Bring your kids there to play some ping pong. Also they have a very creepy painting on the wall, just don't let your kids see that, they may have nightmares.
  • The pedo symbolism in Sex Stains video and Besta Pizza is just a coincidence.
  • Podesta also bought pillows and forgot them in someone else's home. This person was getting a hard time finding the pillows in her home, because pillows are very small and hard to find, I guess.

common_sense ago

Source for "2 hours of pizza?"

I believe you, I just haven't seen that particular phrase used before. I saw them asking how to split up a single slice, but not that phrase.

othelie ago

Can I share this, thezodiac?

thezodiac ago

Yes, please share. Don't need to put any credits.

not-myself-today ago

It's funny but . . .

The "pizza for an hour" quote could be short-hand for "wanna go and get pizza & hang out for an hour." There are lots of cases like this; it seems significant because we've already decided what we're looking for.

Smart move is to learn to think more like the deniers think; just because we feel like we know there's something going on here can make us blind to the ambiguities, so what looks damning to us looks like nothing to others; then we get mission drift & wind up looking like nutjobs.

thezodiac ago

I agree it's not the most incriminating evidence, but it's a little odd, and given the context, we can imagine what that means.

doubletake ago

superb. wow.

lookingfortruth ago

Do you have the link/source for the "2 hours of pizza" thing, and the really wanting pizza for an hour? I haven't heard of that yet. To be fair, there is a perfectly reasonable grammatical explanation for being better at dominos "on" things. Haven't you ever heard someone say that they do something "on a full stomach" for example? So he could (possibly) be saying "Do you think I'd be better at dominos having eaten pizza than having eaten pasta."

thezodiac ago

It's an odd thing to say. I don't think they're playing dominoes at all, lol.

Dressage2 ago

Dominos is referring to domination over the child. BDSM. There are at least two emails that refer to dominos.

AnonDude ago

Would love to get a pizza for an hour? Or come over

Hang on, this doesn't sound bad at all now that i look at it for the second time. He probably just emphasized that he only has time for 1 hour and asks if they should get a pizza or eat at home.

AnonDude ago

There's also an e-mail where they ask

Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?

Freemasonsrus ago

Dominos is also the favorite game for Haitians.

pirawrr ago

  • Obama once ordered $64000 worth of pizza and hotdogs

SilverBanana ago

It is obviously a codeword. But I would need some proof before accepting it is a code for child prostitution and not any of the hundreds of other secret shit president is involved in.

pirawrr ago

Although people say that white house doesn't allow outside prepared food, I don't know if that's strictly enforced so it is still possible that it was actually pizza and hot dogs. However, given the context that this was found in Podesta emails where they used pizza in code language, I doubt it.

domestiKgypsie ago

From Chicago! I read that the WH can't accept outside food like that because of security. The event catered to adults too, no mention of his fake daughters having a party with friends.

AnonDude ago

Which, by the way, they have done before, proven by the last sentence in that e-mail where they asked if they would use the same channels as last time.

pizzagatewillnotdie ago

I would like to add a few FACTS

There are two times Amanda Kleinman directly references pedophilia, and one time indirectly. The two times directly are:

  1. The video of her at Comet Ping Pong - https://youtu.be/PR1w6IkpE6o?t=92
  2. One of her music videos a text bubble above her head - https://youtu.be/zo_euND7Acs?t=65

The indirect

  1. Her talking about a man jerking off to American Apparel ads (A company known for provocative underage-like advertising.) - https://youtu.be/oicUO0sz08c?t=46

http://www.news.com.au/world/american-apparel-accused-of-selling-underage-porn-to-promote-schoolgirls-skirts/news-story/4b7a783a9d47f1ae17b2f05b79bc4397

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2998827/American-Apparel-advert-banned.html

Shogun77 ago

You're missing the most important one. For some reason it has gone relatively unnoticed. Her music video neutered noel contains BLATANT pedophilic imagery: images of kids and babies intercut with images of sexual torture, rape and...you guessed it: pizza. There is in image of Chuckee cheese, a KID WEARING A PIZZA OUTFIT, and a kid wearing a "sugar babies" outfit. The images flash by so quickly that you don't notice anything unless you slow it down. Someone created an imgur album but it seems to have disappeared. Video is still on youtube though.

lookingfortruth ago

This really needs to be documented/archived. It will probably be taken down.

Sephel ago

Thanks for the additional info. I'm compiling a fact-based piece to post on Facebook, and I'm wondering if you have a source linking Amanda Kleinman to these pedos in DC. Basically I'm asking, who is she? I want to explain who she is, providing as many ties to the whitehouse as possible.

Shogun77 ago

In addition to the videos of her speaking at Comet she's listed as the first person on their "friends" page.

thezodiac ago

She is tied to Comet Ping Pong / Alefantis, that's all.

Sephel ago

Didn't know if there was more to it, thanks. I guess I need to direct my efforts to linking Alefantis to the CF (which shouldn't be hard)

thezodiac ago

Alefantis was deep in the Clinton campaing, also he was boyfriend of that guy named Brock something, go figure.

domestiKgypsie ago

I tried a website to slow it down, it was still a bit too fast, although to my dismay I watched it many times and I believe I saw no less than 8 human torture photos. How can we get those out? Also ones with babies being compromised. Before they take it down.

thezodiac ago

Yeah I saw that, very disturbing shit.

C1REX ago

I've got your point but you are also sarcastic and wouldn't be taken seriously by a unconvinced person or a judge for example.