DEBUNKING is important too. Hear me out. (pizzagate)

submitted ago by WatcherWatcher

Hey guys, first of all, I am 100% convinced there's both smoke and fire with this whole thing. It's huge. BUT There are a lot of videos and articles out there that are repeating "facts" that have been debunked. Even if you tell someone 10 incontrovertible facts, if 1 thing is debunked, that's the only thing they'll focus on. For instance

  1. a lot of people point to the "Arch of Hysteria" sculpture in Tony Podestas house and say "it's a tribute to Jeffery Dahmer..." Well, it's not. It's fucked up, but it's the artist's rendition of someone writhing violently in a psychotic fit. Source: https://www.gallery.ca/en/see/collections/artwork.php?mkey=100798

  2. The "Boum Boum Room" pic isn't from Comet. It's a club (a total get drunk and fuck each other club, mind you, but a club in DC nonetheless). Very easy to be discredited if you try to point to this and say, "why is this at a family friendly pizza joint?" It's not.

  3. The 14 and the fish on John PĒD-esta's hands. That photo is attached to a Wikileaks email where he says he's happy about the #14 item on a climate change agenda: protecting the oceans and sea life. Even if there's a double meaning, the fact that there's a simple explanation is enough to ruin your/our credibility if we go repeating that crap.

Point is We should STRONGLY police ourselves and have a sticky post for all debunked garbage, so we don't go ruining our own credibility. Otherwise we'll end up like 9-11 Truthers, fighting to be taken seriously for decades, and a whole lot of kids are going to become "pizza-related"

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Scoundrel ago

Also, who is to say that Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't inspired by the art as well... Alefantis's Instagram avatar is a statue of a boy toy of a Roman emperor. Like Podesta, Alefantis cannot hide his evil, it's everywhere, open and it's obvious. What else is eerily concerning is the automatic refusal by the MSM to open this Pandora box, why is that? Doesn't it make you wonder why, when millions of innocent children lives are at stake? For me not really, see Planned Parenthood. I would bet they're intricately tied into all of this as well. We know they're harvesting and selling babies, about how many degrees more disturbed and sinister would these people have to be to also include Satanic "Spirit Cooking" rituals to their list of backroom "services." I feel extremely comfortable in saying, not many more.

Gorillion ago

The artwork was created post-Dahmer murders. I double checked.

https://www.gallery.ca/en/see/collections/artwork.php?mkey=100798

I didn't like OP hand waving that art as if it was "done and debunked".

Just because an artist or curator writes a clever spiel about something, it doesn't mean it's the true genesis of the art. It could easily have been inspired by the murder photos, even if the artist noted the similarities between what Dahmer had created and old medical imagery and added their own spin as a way of exploiting sensational imagery for their own gain (like the current fad for using MK Ultra imagery in everything. So transgressive and edgy!!! The early 90s were all about serial killers as a rising cultural reference point). Or that Podesta bought it because of it's Dahmer and violent sex & murder implications, despite what the artist thought they were expressing.

The problem is we can't prove people's hidden motivations for making or buying things unless there's a paper trail. Someone would have to investigate this artist more and see if she referenced Dahmer at any point or "borrowed" other imagery of similar origin. Did she have a reputation for trading on "Murder Imagery" dressed up as "investigations into gender stereotypes". Look into whether Podesta has ever made the connection between the art and the murder photos, on record?

Regards the debunking angle and OP's assertions: We keep talking about investigative terminology. Establish a motive for the creation or purchase of the art in question. Or at least attempt to, before declaring something "debunked".

"Some rando curator wrote an academic box of text about what the artwork is supposedly about on this website, proving no connection or reference to Dahmer's murders" does not meet the standard of evidence OP is demanding of Pizzagate.

TL;DR: Fuck you OP. Show your work.

JrSlimss ago

I did a write-up going further into "Arch of Hysteria." Most important in my research was that the artist, Louise Bourgeois, had done cannibalistic artwork before. http://www.pizzagate.review/index.php/Louise_Bourgeois#Arch_of_Hysteria

WatcherWatcher ago

Did you come across this? That psychologist drew this and this was her inspiration https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a9/0e/17/a90e17d96a38303be62b6a0c0d10553e.jpg

JrSlimss ago

I've seen similar references. My primary problem is that figure still has her head.