Hey guys, first of all, I am 100% convinced there's both smoke and fire with this whole thing. It's huge. BUT
There are a lot of videos and articles out there that are repeating "facts" that have been debunked. Even if you tell someone 10 incontrovertible facts, if 1 thing is debunked, that's the only thing they'll focus on. For instance
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a lot of people point to the "Arch of Hysteria" sculpture in Tony Podestas house and say "it's a tribute to Jeffery Dahmer..." Well, it's not. It's fucked up, but it's the artist's rendition of someone writhing violently in a psychotic fit. Source: https://www.gallery.ca/en/see/collections/artwork.php?mkey=100798
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The "Boum Boum Room" pic isn't from Comet. It's a club (a total get drunk and fuck each other club, mind you, but a club in DC nonetheless). Very easy to be discredited if you try to point to this and say, "why is this at a family friendly pizza joint?" It's not.
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The 14 and the fish on John PĒD-esta's hands. That photo is attached to a Wikileaks email where he says he's happy about the #14 item on a climate change agenda: protecting the oceans and sea life. Even if there's a double meaning, the fact that there's a simple explanation is enough to ruin your/our credibility if we go repeating that crap.
Point is We should STRONGLY police ourselves and have a sticky post for all debunked garbage, so we don't go ruining our own credibility. Otherwise we'll end up like 9-11 Truthers, fighting to be taken seriously for decades, and a whole lot of kids are going to become "pizza-related"
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lookingfortruth ago
Very good post. Also of note: The Andrew Breitbart tweet is in reference to John Podesta's defense of ACORN in 2010 when James O'Keefe made sting videos against ACORN. James O'Keefe posed as a pimp and tried to get ACORN workers' help in setting up a brothel. Videos appeared to show them helping him; ACORN was widely condemned and lost so much funding that they went under. However, in later investigations some of the workers were vindicated as the videos were proved to be deceptively edited and James O'Keefe paid a 10,000 dollar settlement. tl;dr the Andrew Breitbart tweet probably doesn't have anything to do with Pizzagate. But it's still of note that John Podesta was quick to jump on the defense of what everyone believed was a pedophile ring.
waxdino ago
Those videos were not a hoax. They were not heavily edited, that was the Media Matters narrative. O'Keefe made the idiotic decision to make that "funny" intro to his presentation where he dressed as a pimp. David Brock and Co. latched on to that to discredit him. They suggested that O'Keefe tried to represent that he went into ACORN offices dressed in that getup, but he never made that representation, that I can find. He calls the intro "b footage," and clearly thought he was being creative and humorous. It was neither, but shouldn't take away from his investigation.
David Brock wrote probably thousands of words about that pimp costume. Breitbart challenged him: just state plainly whether O'Keefe represented himself as a pimp in the ACORN offices, and he wouldn't.
That settlement doesn't mean much, of course there was some litigation surrounding a sting. But either way, that video is damnimg.
That said, yes, stop saying Brietbart knew about pizzagate. He knew about ACORN, which is also bad, and another piece of the puzzle.
lookingfortruth ago
Yes, I knew about the dressing up thing, which was a poor editorial choice and ultimately a distraction from the contents of the video. Doesn't change the defense that the ACORN employees gave - one asked the camera straight up if she was being put on. Another said she was afraid to challenge him and as it turned out her "contact" in Mexico was a police officer; another reported their criminal activity to the police straight after they left. Also videos edited out a part where the ACORN employee said straight up "no we will not help you". I'm just trying to do some unbiased research here. Full story makes them look somewhat less bad. I don't appreciate being called "shill".
waxdino ago
I don't remember reading anything about good agents, I just remember O'Keefe's Planned Parenthood video's subject calling the police right after. Not saying you are wrong, I obviously need to do even more reading on it.
But...I never called you a shill. I wasn't even implying that.
lookingfortruth ago
It wasn't you it was earlier in this thread. Sorry, I am new and am still figuring out the way replies are structured here.
waxdino ago
Ok. Have an upvote :)