Step 4 to step 5 is a HUGE leap. Stop conflating loli porn and actual child porn as being the same thing or close to the same thing. They are not. In no way am I defending loli porn. Saying the two are even CLOSE to similar delegitimizes how bad child porn actually is. A real child is victimized and sexualized.
You know real child porn has been posted to Voat, right? It was deleted soon after it was posted, as it should be. This site is still up. Thinking that anyone would defend actual pornography of children is absolutely absurd.
I understand the argument for why people want to ban him, but Voat already had a gigantic discussion about this just a couple weeks ago. Now OP is retreading the exact same ground.
The bottom line is that anyone should only be banned if they 1) break the rules of the sub or 2) are doing something obviously illegal. v/gaming discussed among themselves at some point (or so I was told) that what he was doing was within the rules for the sub, so #1 is out. #2 is illegal, period, and if he's ever done that, then yes, he should be banned. But no one has provided evidence of this.
Aged is obviously treading a line and doing so intentionally, and he's doing it SPECIFICALLY to trigger people like OP, proving that this D&C works on those like him who play into his hands and demanding certain users or speech be controlled (while ironically being such an arrogant faggot that claiming anyone who disagrees is immediately a shill because his objective correctness is so obviously divine). And as you say, any "plot" to take down Voat with CP is retarded, because it's been handled in the past, just like it's been handled every time 8ch.net got spammed with it. The site is still here, and it won't go anywhere even if some bad actors decide to spam illegal content.
You're provoking a mob into harassing Puttitout into banning someone for posting lewd lolis of gaming characters (unwritten rule), while begging me to post nude pics of kids...
Yeah, in v/gaming Aged has always posted depictions of older characters from a video game (always on topic) and none of them were nsfw though he did add the nsfw tag. At least from what I've looked through in his post history.
I understand the argument for why people want to ban him, but Voat already had a gigantic discussion about this just a couple weeks ago. Now OP is retreading the exact same ground.
The bottom line is that anyone should only be banned if they 1) break the rules of the sub or 2) are doing something obviously illegal. v/gaming discussed among themselves at some point (or so I was told) that what he was doing was within the rules for the sub, so #1 is out. #2 is illegal, period, and if he's ever done that, then yes, he should be banned. But no one has provided evidence of this.
Aged is obviously treading a line and doing so intentionally, and he's doing it SPECIFICALLY to trigger people like OP, proving that this D&C works on those like him who play into his hands and demanding certain users or speech be controlled (while ironically being such an arrogant faggot that claiming anyone who disagrees is immediately a shill because his objective correctness is so obviously divine). And as it's been said, any "plot" to take down Voat with CP is retarded, because it's been handled in the past, just like it's been handled every time 8ch.net got spammed with it. The site is still here, and it won't go anywhere even if some bad actors decide to spam illegal content.
yeah somehow that doesn't apply to you or this topic though, right?
his first ban was valid.
According to your subjective view of "I don't like him or what he posts." If you have to claim he deserved his ban for spam, you don't much have a leg to stand on. Is everyone who regularly posts in the sub a spammer?
porn is not gaming.
Uh, it is if it's gaming related. I thought it mentioned that right in the fucking rules. You don't like porn? Great, I don't either. I never view the stuff. It still doesn't break any rules and you're pulling shit out of your ass because you don't like it. This entire thread is full of your triggered autism and I genuinely think you have the inability to properly comprehend abstract concepts, an inability to separate two distinct things in your mind.
Is everyone who regularly posts in the sub a spammer?
In a months span, out of how many posts did he make in v/gaming, did they have a postive upvote score? If you bother to look, you probably won't find any. Why? Because the community of v/gaming has decided they didn't want that content here, so they downvoated it.
Here's the catch, Aged isn't going to stop doing it, he's going to rely on people at large to get tired of downvoating. He's been doing this for years.
At some point, you have to consider colloquial usage of spam. It looks entirely unwanted, and if you're doing it for a month straight, it fits that definition of spam easily. Let's take this one step further though. Where's his community engagement in those topics he posts? It's nearly non-existent. For someone who posts so much, they make so few comments. It looks even more like spam. It's not someone who wants to have discussion, which is what these types of places thrive upon.
All Aged is trying to do is destablize the platform, which Putt has banned people for sitewide before. Aged wants to see these types of fights, wants to see more draconian rules put in place.
Uh, it is if it's gaming related.
And I think this is where the murkyness of the rules gets stretched. "It's a gaming character, so therefore it's gaming." Intent matters here. The intent isn't post gaming related things, it's use the medium in a non-gaming aspect to spread other messages. It would be like someone going into v/cars and posting pictures of people making out in cars. Sure, those people are in a car, but what type of discussion is honestly going to be generated based on that criteria if someone did it on a regular basis? Let's change that though, what if the car was simply in the background for aesthetics and not the main focus of the picture? At some point it stops being about the car and about something else.
This is why considering intent matters. If you can show evidence of Aged having actual gaming related discussion on a regular basis, I'm all for changing my mind on the matter. I've looked and I just don't see it.
Because the community of v/gaming has decided they didn't want that content here, so they downvoated it.
Sure, and that's fine, but as I mentioned in another post, popularity vote isn't a rightful ban. Even if everyone agrees "we don't like thing," you don't censor someone just because it bothers you or you don't believe it belongs there. Again, as mentioned, someone should only be banned if 1) breaking rules or 2) posting illegal content. I understand nobody cares for the shit he posts, that's perfectly alright, but until everyone decides at a subverse to actually make a real rule against it, our hands are tied. Aged intentionally walks a fine line in order to annoy people. Add a new rule (like for example, no porn of anything in v/gaming) and see if he remains within those rules. If he does, you still cannot ban him.
At some point, you have to consider colloquial usage of spam
To me, spam isn't about whether I want it or don't, people just think of spam as stuff they don't like, but that's tangential; spam generally is one or two things presented over and over and over ad nauseam. For example if Aged is posting a specific category of submission constantly (for example, porn every 30 minutes), then I'd agree that's spam and deserves a ban. I understand this is a subjective view on what spam is, however, so you're going to need the community to agree "this is spam and against the rules," and NOT simply "we as a community don't like his content." I've read this entire thread, there are clearly people that don't like his shit or his actions, but strongly disagree that he's ever spammed the sub. I can't weigh in on whether that's true from my POV myself.
And I think this is where the murkyness of the rules gets stretched. "It's a gaming character, so therefore it's gaming."
Correct. I'm being technical about the rules because what choice do I have? Or anyone, for that matter? I agree with you, it gets gray, and the community needs to decide how to make that gray black and white, if at all; some prefer to have rules that remain gray for flexibility, but that doesn't work sometimes when you don't have a mod. Like I said, it is stretching it, and that's the whole motivation behind Aged's actions. That's still not quite far enough into "ban this account" territory.
This is why considering intent matters.
I respect your opinion on this but I'm inclined to disagree. We should have black and white rules for every sub that treat everyone the same. "Intent matters" is almost like saying "we need to take things on a case-by-case basis," and if I've learned anything in my time as a fraternity vice pres, it's that "case by case" means unequal, subjective repercussions for someone depending on their popularity or some other nebulous category. I don't disagree completely because I'm certain you could find hypotheticals in which I'd think intent does matter and factors into the judgment (manslaughter vs premeditated, as an example) but we need to consider the context.
I don't know why you've been downvoated, your arguments are reasonable from my standpoint and you're not arguing in bad faith. While it's safe to assume nobody cares for his content or his actions, we need to help do whatever necessary to avoid a slippery slope of mob opinion and/or compromising Voat's integrity via usage of censorship. Note I'm not saying all censorship is bad, but it needs to be extremely limited in its usage, and I don't think we've passed the threshold for this.
I actually agree with a lot of parts you wrote. The community of v/gaming should decide what they want the rules to look like. I think the rules should be defined more clearly to alleviate issues of gray areas.
I just disagree we should kowtow to every curmudgeon because some jackass wishes to stretch the rules as much as they can to force a point to subvert usage of the medium they're in. It's a matter of picking which slippery slope you wish to be a part of. Sanegoat, I think, is a good example of the other extreme of the slippery slope. There are people who still think he should have never been banned for more or less trying to destroy the platform in any way he could, because it wasn't strictly a site wide rule.
Though I think ultimately this points back to the grayness of the rules. One thing to consider is that the more rules you implement, and the more subsections you add to the rules, more caged people feel. I'm not sure a suitable balance can be struck.
Your bio says 'its better to be a jester than a clown'
Does that have anything to do with you being a slimey, bug eyed, Saturn worshipping, parasitic enemy to the human race?
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It's not CP, it's a questionably aged girl in in a tube top with her finger in her mouth, no nudity or anything, the most risqué element is the look on her face.
You are really likely to end up on a list made by that guy so in case you do, know he has done it before and when he invariably does it to you record it as I have here: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 otherwise just share that link and downvoat him whenever you see him spouting such nonsense or share the other post on him I linked in that submissions comment's.
Don't bother responding to him either his argument is always the equivalent of >NUH UH, I"M RIGHT and he'll drag out his posts to get the last word even if it takes him days to keep up with the back log of posts, he personally is probably responsible for nearly half of all the comments in this submission and it's just him repeating himself and getting downvoated to hell. He makes ~100+ posts like this every day.
A coordinated brigade or two could bring him below the posting threshold and at least stop the "MENG THIS IS NY SUB. AGED SHOULD KILL HIMSELF. DID I MENTION MY SUB?!?!?!" posts. Dude is probably voting up his own shit with alta.
That's fair. A further question would be what is the definition of pornography? Some might say it is a nude person being sexualized, and some might say it's even a person wearing a bathing suit. This is why I prefer to use the legal definition of what is porn (and further, child porn) because it is heavily reliant on context. If someone has posted a picture of their child in a bathing suit, should they be considered a pedophile? Certainly the ones Aged has posted are not innocent. However, there is a lot of content on the internet that I dislike or disagree with, but censoring things that are legal but immoral is a slippery slope.
More like @theoldones@CameraCode@GoyimNose and you @Decidueye are parasitic pedo izwayleez just like @aged but you four shitkickers are pushing CP topic more than @aged since its only through your ballshit circle jerk fake discussion posts that i have ever seen this sick shit mentioned let alone people insisting everybody needs to discuss it in detail. Also accusing those not interested of being "squeamish" which sounds like a kike speak to me......TLDR both sides of the "debate" on this post are filthy kikes.
We dealt with this on 8chan during gamergate when the CP spam was going on, banning blatant CP was easy but what about lewd photos of clothed children and so on, in that time we found out two important things google will de-list you if they want to de-list you and that under US law nudity doesn't explicitly equal child porn but the definition is largely up to a judge or a jury and, one guy for example got imprisoned for CP but he had simply made photorealistic drawings, according to some they were tracings of actual CP but that wasn't explicitly in the ruling.
The point I meant to make here was that the clearest detail we can point to in the law for something being explicitly sexual or sexualized is "cropped" images so for example a picture of nude children at a nudist beach isn't inherently illegal, if you cropped the image to zoom in on the kids though they could easily throw the book at you but they might not if you took the photo, they posed for it and it's a photo album picture or something like that but for example if you are caught with other CP they would count that same image and every other image that has nude children most likely any with a focus on primary or secondary sex characteristics via cropping or the nature of how the photo was blocked, (to put the focus in the center).
8chan rooted out CP boards first and then three types of alternative rule skirting boards popped up, The text primarily(eventually text only) erotic discussion and "pedo-sexuality" discussion boards (ultimately banned although I think one text only discussion board is left), type two were NN boards (non-nude) these boards were almost always poorly moderated on purpose and so CP was frequently posted and because of the sheer volume of content often posts of clothed children with wardrobe malfunctions would stay up for a long time since admins and global mods didn't have the time to inspect each image and just browsed thumbnails, this is where we learned another strange element of the US laws, Sheer and see through/wet fabric that make a child or woman appear nude is not considered a part of any violation and so unless the image is cropped in a lewd fashion it's completely legal, apparently the legal definition includes fishnets with huge nets (so long as they aren't ripped) I'm pretty sure paint wasn't mentioned so that means it's not included in see through garments and therefore illegal, anyway as you can imagine long before 8chan "modeling agencies" knew this and so a glut of non-nude images with see through clothes were freely available, this specifically it seems was what lead to the de-listing even though Hotwheels(admin) consulted with US FBI and they told him they weren't willing to subpoena any user data nor were they involved in any legal action concerning the content on 8chan and they called the moderation adequate and within the letter of the law, NN boards got the boot after a couple of months and google never, to this day, re-listed 8chan. Type 3 was nudist content, these subs got shutdown but dedicated threads to nudism existed on the non-nude boards and in other porn boards until 8chan got serious and cracked down. after the second big crackdown mods were itchy and tired of working so much for so little so they also shut down 3D computer generated loli porn boards and threads, and also banned the JB threads and boards even briefly banned a some erotic fiction boards, they were overzealous by most folks accounts and they never once laied a hand on any drawn or "2D" content of minors. and for context google has never once de-listed a website for hosting Drawn porn of minors, stylized or not.
Long post but I hope it gives you some context for the whole situation.
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Discussing the exact definitions and boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable, legal, or moral is an uncomfortable but necessary discussion to have, and I will not avoid the conversation out of squeamishness.
Apparently you are referring to picture of very young girls in swimsuits. Is that child pornography? Maybe, unfortunately according to the law it is not illegal. I think many people would assume you are referring to picture of nude children when you talk about "CP".
What you need to realise you foul cretin is that discussing the specifics of CP will never be normalised in a human society no matter how much you try. The most clever pedo lawyers in your swarm can try and turn CP into an online intellectual debate. But try this shit out in public in the light of day, with real people and you will quickly find that there are still plenty of humans ready to clarify this very straight forward subject. No need to debate at length.
A definition of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is what I asked for, not for jailbait. If you are a White man, argue like one, not like a Jew. You know exactly what he was talking about.
Quit dodging the question, or I'll assume your definition of CP is very malleable, stretching as you see fit. That would be no different than how SJWs redefine racism for their own ends.
Still dodging, huh? You were asked a very specific question, dotard. Instead you try defining a different term lazily and don't even bother defining the next in order to imply you answered the question. Manipulative piece of shit.
slang for a young woman, or young women collectively, considered in sexual terms but under the age of consent
Now define CP directly for me and state the differences between those definitions. Since you're aggravating me, you're going to pay the asshole tax by doing more work.
the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive.
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Just stop replying to him dude this is a ploy to get you to say a short comment he can take out of the larger context to "out" you as a "pedo" or "bot" on v/protectvoat or one of his subverses or in an anon-sub.
He's done this before and it's looking like he's up to his old tricks: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 in the comments I link another user's complaint of his misconduct which has other details.
This guy makes maybe hundreds of posts a day getting into internet slap fights where he says absolutely nothing correct or of value just like he's done with you here, learn his username, downvoat him when you see him and expect that he will try some underhanded tactics to target you or harass you for disagreeing with him, he actually keeps lists of users who have pissed him off and is actively vying for moderator-ship across voat, he wont hesitate to ban you if given the chance so share that submission exposing him whenever you see him roping somebody in to a comment chain like this, your are maybe the fifth person he's done this with in just this comment section and I haven't finished reading it.
I've probably pushed his buttons further than most in just one day. A smear campaign by that insane asshole doesn't intimidate me, and I'm keeping a record of just how insane he is for when he tries that shit.
Where is the proof? If you have proof, come forward now... we will all get behind the ban then. Get that shit to @puttitout asap so we can rid ourselves of @aged.
As gay and pedo as that pic is in the link, it is far away from being CP. There would need to be a sexual act or focus on genitals for it to qualify under the law.
The discussion is in regards to the law since it's about getting Voat shut down by the cops. We both know the images exist for faggot pedos to beat off to. That isn't the point. The point is that it isn't illegal or porn, so it isn't child porn.
Pedos can beat off to family photos of kids, but that doesn't make it CP. Again, we are on the topic of banning someone for breaking rules, which they aren't. I don't need to pick one, because they aren't mutually exclusive. Porn is porn. Shit that pedos beat off to isn't automatically turned into porn.
The words I uttered are about pedos being able to beat off to normal every day pictures, because they are sick in the brain. You know, normal family photos. Good job making it personal and losing all credibility.
I made it personal by bringing up something that had nothing to do with you personally? You've become so emotional, you aren't even making sense. Just attacking me over your made up feelings. Try again.
Nice try. No one's buying your bullshit. You just objectively lost the argument and have nothing else but to resort to personal attacks. It just shows your weakness. You should talk to someone about the things you are feeling. I mean that sincerely. Unresolved issues will eat you alive.
The words I uttered are about pedos being able to beat off to normal every day pictures, because they are sick in the brain. You know, normal family photos. Good job making it personal and losing all credibility.
You know, normal family photos
this is what you said. normal photos for you apparently involve jacking off. wtf.
If you're seriously asking; to prove the point that pedos can jerk off to any photo of children, because they are sick in the brain. It doesn't take porn, of even suggestive photos to activate their sickness. It's a deviant compulsion.
Stop replying to him, he's actually retarded, this guys posts hundreds of times per day complaining about this shit with no logic, reason, or argumentation. He creates lists of users who have wronged him by disagreeing with his personal (retarded schizoid) definitions of things and he intentionally ignores the facts to strike out at people on his shit list.
I have never seen a person drag a single comment chain with him out so long, he's impervious to logic, he only responds to massive public condemnation or public condemnation from authority figures.
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 This is my exposé on his retarded shit and in the comments I link another user's exposé, remember his usrname and when you see him doing this shit downvoat and link people to that submission so they know what he is too.
Where they are posted doesn't change how or why they where made. The way you act it's as if you don't hate the abuse of children, just people who look at pictures of kids.
I'm sure you're on his shitlist by now so if you haven seen it this an old submission I made detailing that guy's faggotry: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 I'm tired of seeing that nearly half of all threads about this shit are filled with his nonsense.
When he posts stupid shit just link my or sguevar's exposé on him, remember his username.
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CameraCode ago
Step 4 to step 5 is a HUGE leap. Stop conflating loli porn and actual child porn as being the same thing or close to the same thing. They are not. In no way am I defending loli porn. Saying the two are even CLOSE to similar delegitimizes how bad child porn actually is. A real child is victimized and sexualized.
You know real child porn has been posted to Voat, right? It was deleted soon after it was posted, as it should be. This site is still up. Thinking that anyone would defend actual pornography of children is absolutely absurd.
matthew-- ago
I'm only on here because of a VPN. Voat is blocked otherwise. Shit's fucked.
RedditHasDied ago
What country?
Tallest_Skil ago
Didn't the Oceanian cuckolds both ban it?
edgelord666 ago
oh hai rabbi
Tallest_Skil ago
Sup, paid shill account.
shrink ago
I understand the argument for why people want to ban him, but Voat already had a gigantic discussion about this just a couple weeks ago. Now OP is retreading the exact same ground.
The bottom line is that anyone should only be banned if they 1) break the rules of the sub or 2) are doing something obviously illegal. v/gaming discussed among themselves at some point (or so I was told) that what he was doing was within the rules for the sub, so #1 is out. #2 is illegal, period, and if he's ever done that, then yes, he should be banned. But no one has provided evidence of this.
Aged is obviously treading a line and doing so intentionally, and he's doing it SPECIFICALLY to trigger people like OP, proving that this D&C works on those like him who play into his hands and demanding certain users or speech be controlled (while ironically being such an arrogant faggot that claiming anyone who disagrees is immediately a shill because his objective correctness is so obviously divine). And as you say, any "plot" to take down Voat with CP is retarded, because it's been handled in the past, just like it's been handled every time 8ch.net got spammed with it. The site is still here, and it won't go anywhere even if some bad actors decide to spam illegal content.
GoyimNose ago
Fuck no don't ban vpns ban kikes
theoldones ago
ban Aged.
Decidueye ago
You're provoking a mob into harassing Puttitout into banning someone for posting lewd lolis of gaming characters (unwritten rule), while begging me to post nude pics of kids...
Dortex ago
Not even. Find me a single lol he's posted on here.
CameraCode ago
Yeah, in v/gaming Aged has always posted depictions of older characters from a video game (always on topic) and none of them were nsfw though he did add the nsfw tag. At least from what I've looked through in his post history.
theoldones ago
i'm making you fucking walk down the road you are currently defending.
shrink ago
I understand the argument for why people want to ban him, but Voat already had a gigantic discussion about this just a couple weeks ago. Now OP is retreading the exact same ground.
The bottom line is that anyone should only be banned if they 1) break the rules of the sub or 2) are doing something obviously illegal. v/gaming discussed among themselves at some point (or so I was told) that what he was doing was within the rules for the sub, so #1 is out. #2 is illegal, period, and if he's ever done that, then yes, he should be banned. But no one has provided evidence of this.
Aged is obviously treading a line and doing so intentionally, and he's doing it SPECIFICALLY to trigger people like OP, proving that this D&C works on those like him who play into his hands and demanding certain users or speech be controlled (while ironically being such an arrogant faggot that claiming anyone who disagrees is immediately a shill because his objective correctness is so obviously divine). And as it's been said, any "plot" to take down Voat with CP is retarded, because it's been handled in the past, just like it's been handled every time 8ch.net got spammed with it. The site is still here, and it won't go anywhere even if some bad actors decide to spam illegal content.
theoldones ago
spam rules.
his first ban was valid.
porn is not gaming.
shrink ago
yeah somehow that doesn't apply to you or this topic though, right?
According to your subjective view of "I don't like him or what he posts." If you have to claim he deserved his ban for spam, you don't much have a leg to stand on. Is everyone who regularly posts in the sub a spammer?
Uh, it is if it's gaming related. I thought it mentioned that right in the fucking rules. You don't like porn? Great, I don't either. I never view the stuff. It still doesn't break any rules and you're pulling shit out of your ass because you don't like it. This entire thread is full of your triggered autism and I genuinely think you have the inability to properly comprehend abstract concepts, an inability to separate two distinct things in your mind.
kneo24 ago
In a months span, out of how many posts did he make in v/gaming, did they have a postive upvote score? If you bother to look, you probably won't find any. Why? Because the community of v/gaming has decided they didn't want that content here, so they downvoated it.
Here's the catch, Aged isn't going to stop doing it, he's going to rely on people at large to get tired of downvoating. He's been doing this for years.
At some point, you have to consider colloquial usage of spam. It looks entirely unwanted, and if you're doing it for a month straight, it fits that definition of spam easily. Let's take this one step further though. Where's his community engagement in those topics he posts? It's nearly non-existent. For someone who posts so much, they make so few comments. It looks even more like spam. It's not someone who wants to have discussion, which is what these types of places thrive upon.
All Aged is trying to do is destablize the platform, which Putt has banned people for sitewide before. Aged wants to see these types of fights, wants to see more draconian rules put in place.
And I think this is where the murkyness of the rules gets stretched. "It's a gaming character, so therefore it's gaming." Intent matters here. The intent isn't post gaming related things, it's use the medium in a non-gaming aspect to spread other messages. It would be like someone going into v/cars and posting pictures of people making out in cars. Sure, those people are in a car, but what type of discussion is honestly going to be generated based on that criteria if someone did it on a regular basis? Let's change that though, what if the car was simply in the background for aesthetics and not the main focus of the picture? At some point it stops being about the car and about something else.
This is why considering intent matters. If you can show evidence of Aged having actual gaming related discussion on a regular basis, I'm all for changing my mind on the matter. I've looked and I just don't see it.
shrink ago
Sure, and that's fine, but as I mentioned in another post, popularity vote isn't a rightful ban. Even if everyone agrees "we don't like thing," you don't censor someone just because it bothers you or you don't believe it belongs there. Again, as mentioned, someone should only be banned if 1) breaking rules or 2) posting illegal content. I understand nobody cares for the shit he posts, that's perfectly alright, but until everyone decides at a subverse to actually make a real rule against it, our hands are tied. Aged intentionally walks a fine line in order to annoy people. Add a new rule (like for example, no porn of anything in v/gaming) and see if he remains within those rules. If he does, you still cannot ban him.
To me, spam isn't about whether I want it or don't, people just think of spam as stuff they don't like, but that's tangential; spam generally is one or two things presented over and over and over ad nauseam. For example if Aged is posting a specific category of submission constantly (for example, porn every 30 minutes), then I'd agree that's spam and deserves a ban. I understand this is a subjective view on what spam is, however, so you're going to need the community to agree "this is spam and against the rules," and NOT simply "we as a community don't like his content." I've read this entire thread, there are clearly people that don't like his shit or his actions, but strongly disagree that he's ever spammed the sub. I can't weigh in on whether that's true from my POV myself.
Correct. I'm being technical about the rules because what choice do I have? Or anyone, for that matter? I agree with you, it gets gray, and the community needs to decide how to make that gray black and white, if at all; some prefer to have rules that remain gray for flexibility, but that doesn't work sometimes when you don't have a mod. Like I said, it is stretching it, and that's the whole motivation behind Aged's actions. That's still not quite far enough into "ban this account" territory.
I respect your opinion on this but I'm inclined to disagree. We should have black and white rules for every sub that treat everyone the same. "Intent matters" is almost like saying "we need to take things on a case-by-case basis," and if I've learned anything in my time as a fraternity vice pres, it's that "case by case" means unequal, subjective repercussions for someone depending on their popularity or some other nebulous category. I don't disagree completely because I'm certain you could find hypotheticals in which I'd think intent does matter and factors into the judgment (manslaughter vs premeditated, as an example) but we need to consider the context.
I don't know why you've been downvoated, your arguments are reasonable from my standpoint and you're not arguing in bad faith. While it's safe to assume nobody cares for his content or his actions, we need to help do whatever necessary to avoid a slippery slope of mob opinion and/or compromising Voat's integrity via usage of censorship. Note I'm not saying all censorship is bad, but it needs to be extremely limited in its usage, and I don't think we've passed the threshold for this.
kneo24 ago
I actually agree with a lot of parts you wrote. The community of v/gaming should decide what they want the rules to look like. I think the rules should be defined more clearly to alleviate issues of gray areas.
I just disagree we should kowtow to every curmudgeon because some jackass wishes to stretch the rules as much as they can to force a point to subvert usage of the medium they're in. It's a matter of picking which slippery slope you wish to be a part of. Sanegoat, I think, is a good example of the other extreme of the slippery slope. There are people who still think he should have never been banned for more or less trying to destroy the platform in any way he could, because it wasn't strictly a site wide rule.
Though I think ultimately this points back to the grayness of the rules. One thing to consider is that the more rules you implement, and the more subsections you add to the rules, more caged people feel. I'm not sure a suitable balance can be struck.
BeastofBalthazar ago
care to fill in the blanks of what those steps are to go from loli dick in vagina porn to actual child porn?
CantBuySkills ago
As the OPfag here... the burden of proof lies with you.
Inaminit ago
Tallest_Skil is a huge faggot.
Tallest_Skil ago
How brain damaged are you? Are you clinically defined as insane? How many times have you done this, you fucking coward?
theoldones ago
we have hard proof of him posting real CP.
we know he's capable of going that far.
iCUsusKunt ago
Im not going to click your link but if it leads to CP your a dumb scummy piece of shit regardless of your apparant intent
theoldones ago
proof is fucking proof. all i linked is what Aged does.
GoyimNose ago
Not gonna risk that click
iCUsusKunt ago
Your bio says 'its better to be a jester than a clown' Does that have anything to do with you being a slimey, bug eyed, Saturn worshipping, parasitic enemy to the human race? -------Truth Is Often Told In Jest-------
GoyimNose ago
Now that's what a call a boomer schitzo post! haha good one pal! ---xxxWISHING UPON A STARxxx---
Obrez ago
It's not CP, it's a questionably aged girl in in a tube top with her finger in her mouth, no nudity or anything, the most risqué element is the look on her face.
theoldones ago
intent matters here and a pedo jacked it to that.
Maggotbait88 ago
How do you explain begging @Decidueye for cp then you sick fuck
theoldones ago
fucking challenging him to do what he defends, that's what up with that.
Decidueye ago
It's cringe, not even risque.
StrangeThingsAfoot ago
Rediit: this person posted to r/thedonald, let's ban him from r/gaming!
Voat: this person posted to v/youngladies, let's ban him from v/gaming!
fightknightHERO ago
cool strawman bro
Tallest_Skil ago
We're literally going to kill pedophiles in the real world. And here you are wanting them to have a platform for their mental illness.
Think on your sins. Before we come for you, too.
theoldones ago
pedophiles get no quarter.
StrangeThingsAfoot ago
Same shit, different website.
Tallest_Skil ago
Paid shill confirmed.
Obrez ago
You are really likely to end up on a list made by that guy so in case you do, know he has done it before and when he invariably does it to you record it as I have here: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 otherwise just share that link and downvoat him whenever you see him spouting such nonsense or share the other post on him I linked in that submissions comment's.
Don't bother responding to him either his argument is always the equivalent of >NUH UH, I"M RIGHT and he'll drag out his posts to get the last word even if it takes him days to keep up with the back log of posts, he personally is probably responsible for nearly half of all the comments in this submission and it's just him repeating himself and getting downvoated to hell. He makes ~100+ posts like this every day.
Dortex ago
A coordinated brigade or two could bring him below the posting threshold and at least stop the "MENG THIS IS NY SUB. AGED SHOULD KILL HIMSELF. DID I MENTION MY SUB?!?!?!" posts. Dude is probably voting up his own shit with alta.
Decidueye ago
I'm definitely on that list after today.
theoldones ago
bullshit.
he posts off-topic spam.
before you then call the posts hating him also spam, consider one is a response to the other.
CameraCode ago
What is your definition of child pornography?
iCUsusKunt ago
Fuck off you filthy fucking creature!
Tallest_Skil ago
Do you know what porn is? Do you know what children are?
Gee.
GoyimNose ago
Child engaged in pornography or naked children
CameraCode ago
That's fair. A further question would be what is the definition of pornography? Some might say it is a nude person being sexualized, and some might say it's even a person wearing a bathing suit. This is why I prefer to use the legal definition of what is porn (and further, child porn) because it is heavily reliant on context. If someone has posted a picture of their child in a bathing suit, should they be considered a pedophile? Certainly the ones Aged has posted are not innocent. However, there is a lot of content on the internet that I dislike or disagree with, but censoring things that are legal but immoral is a slippery slope.
iCUsusKunt ago
CameraCode Get in the oven you gutless kike
Decidueye ago
An obvious theoldones alt, just like OP.
iCUsusKunt ago
Yeah sure retard.
More like @theoldones @CameraCode @GoyimNose and you @Decidueye are parasitic pedo izwayleez just like @aged but you four shitkickers are pushing CP topic more than @aged since its only through your ballshit circle jerk fake discussion posts that i have ever seen this sick shit mentioned let alone people insisting everybody needs to discuss it in detail. Also accusing those not interested of being "squeamish" which sounds like a kike speak to me......TLDR both sides of the "debate" on this post are filthy kikes.
GoyimNose ago
Show us all one proof of your claim regarding me , pro-tip you have none.
Obrez ago
We dealt with this on 8chan during gamergate when the CP spam was going on, banning blatant CP was easy but what about lewd photos of clothed children and so on, in that time we found out two important things google will de-list you if they want to de-list you and that under US law nudity doesn't explicitly equal child porn but the definition is largely up to a judge or a jury and, one guy for example got imprisoned for CP but he had simply made photorealistic drawings, according to some they were tracings of actual CP but that wasn't explicitly in the ruling.
The point I meant to make here was that the clearest detail we can point to in the law for something being explicitly sexual or sexualized is "cropped" images so for example a picture of nude children at a nudist beach isn't inherently illegal, if you cropped the image to zoom in on the kids though they could easily throw the book at you but they might not if you took the photo, they posed for it and it's a photo album picture or something like that but for example if you are caught with other CP they would count that same image and every other image that has nude children most likely any with a focus on primary or secondary sex characteristics via cropping or the nature of how the photo was blocked, (to put the focus in the center).
8chan rooted out CP boards first and then three types of alternative rule skirting boards popped up, The text primarily(eventually text only) erotic discussion and "pedo-sexuality" discussion boards (ultimately banned although I think one text only discussion board is left), type two were NN boards (non-nude) these boards were almost always poorly moderated on purpose and so CP was frequently posted and because of the sheer volume of content often posts of clothed children with wardrobe malfunctions would stay up for a long time since admins and global mods didn't have the time to inspect each image and just browsed thumbnails, this is where we learned another strange element of the US laws, Sheer and see through/wet fabric that make a child or woman appear nude is not considered a part of any violation and so unless the image is cropped in a lewd fashion it's completely legal, apparently the legal definition includes fishnets with huge nets (so long as they aren't ripped) I'm pretty sure paint wasn't mentioned so that means it's not included in see through garments and therefore illegal, anyway as you can imagine long before 8chan "modeling agencies" knew this and so a glut of non-nude images with see through clothes were freely available, this specifically it seems was what lead to the de-listing even though Hotwheels(admin) consulted with US FBI and they told him they weren't willing to subpoena any user data nor were they involved in any legal action concerning the content on 8chan and they called the moderation adequate and within the letter of the law, NN boards got the boot after a couple of months and google never, to this day, re-listed 8chan. Type 3 was nudist content, these subs got shutdown but dedicated threads to nudism existed on the non-nude boards and in other porn boards until 8chan got serious and cracked down. after the second big crackdown mods were itchy and tired of working so much for so little so they also shut down 3D computer generated loli porn boards and threads, and also banned the JB threads and boards even briefly banned a some erotic fiction boards, they were overzealous by most folks accounts and they never once laied a hand on any drawn or "2D" content of minors. and for context google has never once de-listed a website for hosting Drawn porn of minors, stylized or not.
Long post but I hope it gives you some context for the whole situation.
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theoldones ago
oh what an interesting question this topic turned into.
its almost like we're circling the drain of something and you're not willing to directly name it...
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CameraCode ago
Discussing the exact definitions and boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable, legal, or moral is an uncomfortable but necessary discussion to have, and I will not avoid the conversation out of squeamishness.
Apparently you are referring to picture of very young girls in swimsuits. Is that child pornography? Maybe, unfortunately according to the law it is not illegal. I think many people would assume you are referring to picture of nude children when you talk about "CP".
iCUsusKunt ago
What you need to realise you foul cretin is that discussing the specifics of CP will never be normalised in a human society no matter how much you try. The most clever pedo lawyers in your swarm can try and turn CP into an online intellectual debate. But try this shit out in public in the light of day, with real people and you will quickly find that there are still plenty of humans ready to clarify this very straight forward subject. No need to debate at length.
theoldones ago
v/JailbaitAnon
v/youngladies
smoking-gun proof. direct match.
Decidueye ago
Not a definition. Try again.
theoldones ago
VERY MUCH a definition.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/jailbait
CameraCode ago
Pilpul in action.
A definition of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY is what I asked for, not for jailbait. If you are a White man, argue like one, not like a Jew. You know exactly what he was talking about.
Obrez ago
I googled Pilpul because I recognized it but didn't know what it meant and this image: https://i.imgtc.com/HYbMBJx.jpg is what came up next to the google definition on the side; OY VEY, it came from this thread on v/whatever: https://voat.co/v/whatever/2784646
Good post btw.
theoldones ago
jailbait and CP are one in the same.
please explain what the jailbait is used for if not fucking.
Decidueye ago
Quit dodging the question, or I'll assume your definition of CP is very malleable, stretching as you see fit. That would be no different than how SJWs redefine racism for their own ends.
theoldones ago
"jailbatanon" and "youngladies" seems pretty damn close.
i'm willing to hear alternative explanations for what either of these things imply.
Decidueye ago
Give an actual definition instead of deploying smoke and mirrors evasive maneuvers and flipping it on me, malevolent nigger.
Answer
CameraCode's
Fucking
Question.
theoldones ago
"youngladies"
young ladies, which in this context are provably children
"jailbatanon"
look up the dictionary reading for jailbait. i'll wait.
boom. i just answered all your questions.
Decidueye ago
Still dodging, huh? You were asked a very specific question, dotard. Instead you try defining a different term lazily and don't even bother defining the next in order to imply you answered the question. Manipulative piece of shit.
Now define CP directly for me and state the differences between those definitions. Since you're aggravating me, you're going to pay the asshole tax by doing more work.
theoldones ago
you answered your own question.
explain what'S done with this "young woman, or young women collectively, considered in sexual terms but under the age of consent".
seems to me like instead of being eye candy she gets FUCKED.
Decidueye ago
Answer what defines CP and state the differences between both.
theoldones ago
CP is images of fucking a kid.
jailbait is a kid pedos fuck.
the only difference is whether or not a camera is recording the whole thing.
Decidueye ago
You've already redefined jailbait and your definition of CP is lacking coverage. There's more to defining it.
theoldones ago
"lacking coverage"
what the fuck even do you mean by that
Decidueye ago
the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive.
Copied directly from the DOJ.
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theoldones ago
i dare you to post a photo of a naked, unclothed child then.
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Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD2mZJDHM-g
Decidueye ago
Why?
theoldones ago
becuase you just said it's not CP.
why are you suddenly so worried?
you, just said yourself that you should be fine, so do it, prove you're fine.
Decidueye ago
The definition of CP covers a lot more than you stated.
Obrez ago
Just stop replying to him dude this is a ploy to get you to say a short comment he can take out of the larger context to "out" you as a "pedo" or "bot" on v/protectvoat or one of his subverses or in an anon-sub.
He's done this before and it's looking like he's up to his old tricks: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 in the comments I link another user's complaint of his misconduct which has other details.
This guy makes maybe hundreds of posts a day getting into internet slap fights where he says absolutely nothing correct or of value just like he's done with you here, learn his username, downvoat him when you see him and expect that he will try some underhanded tactics to target you or harass you for disagreeing with him, he actually keeps lists of users who have pissed him off and is actively vying for moderator-ship across voat, he wont hesitate to ban you if given the chance so share that submission exposing him whenever you see him roping somebody in to a comment chain like this, your are maybe the fifth person he's done this with in just this comment section and I haven't finished reading it.
Decidueye ago
I've probably pushed his buttons further than most in just one day. A smear campaign by that insane asshole doesn't intimidate me, and I'm keeping a record of just how insane he is for when he tries that shit.
theoldones ago
HA!
you fucking defend a thing but wont goddamn do it yourself when challenged to. fucking says a lot, that!
theoldones ago
explain more then.
dont just goddamn say "that's inadequate", explain how so.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
Jailbait is a young girl who looks and or acts much more developed at a quick glance or at certain angles. It has nothing to do with porn
theoldones ago
jailbait gets fucked. you idiot.
CantBuySkills ago
Where is the proof? If you have proof, come forward now... we will all get behind the ban then. Get that shit to @puttitout asap so we can rid ourselves of @aged.
theoldones ago
https://files.catbox.moe/beaxyx.jpg
proof.
CantBuySkills ago
Ok... so you're proving he posted SOMETHING... what's the picture?
theoldones ago
this is the type of link you ask for.
follow it if you dare.
Apexbreed ago
As gay and pedo as that pic is in the link, it is far away from being CP. There would need to be a sexual act or focus on genitals for it to qualify under the law.
theoldones ago
he said, casually suddenly hiding behind legal definitions.
give me one good reason why these photos don't exist to be jacked off to.
Apexbreed ago
The discussion is in regards to the law since it's about getting Voat shut down by the cops. We both know the images exist for faggot pedos to beat off to. That isn't the point. The point is that it isn't illegal or porn, so it isn't child porn.
theoldones ago
...
pick one.
Apexbreed ago
Pedos can beat off to family photos of kids, but that doesn't make it CP. Again, we are on the topic of banning someone for breaking rules, which they aren't. I don't need to pick one, because they aren't mutually exclusive. Porn is porn. Shit that pedos beat off to isn't automatically turned into porn.
theoldones ago
WTF kind of family did you grow up in?
do you realize the words you just uttered?
get help.
Apexbreed ago
The words I uttered are about pedos being able to beat off to normal every day pictures, because they are sick in the brain. You know, normal family photos. Good job making it personal and losing all credibility.
theoldones ago
i'm not the one who brought up family photos you sicko.
YOU made it personal. how the fuck did your brain jump to that?
Apexbreed ago
I made it personal by bringing up something that had nothing to do with you personally? You've become so emotional, you aren't even making sense. Just attacking me over your made up feelings. Try again.
theoldones ago
and you brought up family first.
a suspicious man might wonder whether or not you were in the habit of jacking off to family photos.
Apexbreed ago
Nice try. No one's buying your bullshit. You just objectively lost the argument and have nothing else but to resort to personal attacks. It just shows your weakness. You should talk to someone about the things you are feeling. I mean that sincerely. Unresolved issues will eat you alive.
theoldones ago
and you're trying to claim its normal for a pedo to jack off to family pictures and i'm trying to not throw up right now.
Apexbreed ago
Sweet lie bro. Keep it up. It won't change anything.
theoldones ago
https://voat.co/v/gaming/3142139/17854711
You know, normal family photos
this is what you said. normal photos for you apparently involve jacking off. wtf.
Apexbreed ago
Still not working. Try lying and twisting my words some more. See if anyone will buy your bullshit. You failed.
theoldones ago
why in the fuck did you bring up family photos then.
Apexbreed ago
If you're seriously asking; to prove the point that pedos can jerk off to any photo of children, because they are sick in the brain. It doesn't take porn, of even suggestive photos to activate their sickness. It's a deviant compulsion.
theoldones ago
which you seem to know a lot about.
hmmmmm...
Apexbreed ago
Keep projecting...
Obrez ago
Stop replying to him, he's actually retarded, this guys posts hundreds of times per day complaining about this shit with no logic, reason, or argumentation. He creates lists of users who have wronged him by disagreeing with his personal (retarded schizoid) definitions of things and he intentionally ignores the facts to strike out at people on his shit list.
I have never seen a person drag a single comment chain with him out so long, he's impervious to logic, he only responds to massive public condemnation or public condemnation from authority figures.
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 This is my exposé on his retarded shit and in the comments I link another user's exposé, remember his usrname and when you see him doing this shit downvoat and link people to that submission so they know what he is too.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
The same reason there is a photo of me taking my first bath as a baby. Because why not? People like to take and share photos of themselves and others
theoldones ago
oh so your childhood photos were named like a gonewild post then and posted to a sub titled "jailbait"?
i highly doubt that.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
Where they are posted doesn't change how or why they where made. The way you act it's as if you don't hate the abuse of children, just people who look at pictures of kids.
The more you talk, the more Jewish you sound
theoldones ago
it does change it in point of fact.
intent matters.
Itty-bitty_Tity-trap ago
The intent to harm kids that literally don't exist? Your original war is against drawings remember
Obrez ago
I'm sure you're on his shitlist by now so if you haven seen it this an old submission I made detailing that guy's faggotry: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3043427 I'm tired of seeing that nearly half of all threads about this shit are filled with his nonsense.
When he posts stupid shit just link my or sguevar's exposé on him, remember his username.
CantBuySkills ago
Oh, i dared to follow... you know why? Because child porn isn't allowed on Voat.
theoldones ago
indeed it is not. that's why people hate Aged and why this sub is fucked.