Heads up: @Freshmeat is much more than an annoying nuisance (whatever)

submitted ago by Vindicator

Something fucky is afoot.

It's been relatively peaceful in v/pizzagate for months, except for freshmeat-style brigading and vitriol every time someone makes a post about the Q Leaks. This was bad enough that users created and moved Q discussion to a new sub, GreatAwakening.

But then, last Saturday, 3/10, QAnon declares "March Madness", hints Merkel is a blood relative of Hitler and implies the Nazi's did not lose WWII. Voat goes down, the chans lock up, and post-maintenance Voat develops numerous bugs. Freshmeat magically shows up like a shark at an umputee pool party and he and several other users seize upon the vote-count bugs to run the "Voat is corrupt and run by pedophiles, you rubes need to migrate" play in multiple threads in PG and GreatAwakening.

I posted in Voatdev to make sure they saw the way the lack of communication about the bugs was feeding the shills and impacting PG. I was able to publicly undermine his pitch to paranoid pizzagate members by getting him to admit he knows nothing about our sub and was making baseless slurs. The vote count remained evenly matched the first day, but two days later, downvoats had doubled on many comments by me and other PG mods and users.

But I believe the picture is larger than this.

Based on the way I've seen the nefarious characters behave over the past year whenever anything with real potential to drain the swamp materializes, I began to suspect that freshmeat and various alts have been embedded in Pizzagate all along.

  • Here is freshmeat saying corrupt mods are "the same shit that went down on Reddit before we all got kicked to Voat." https://files.catbox.moe/2ts8lm.png
  • Claiming mods and O's are pedophiles that he knows outside of Vote and suppressing investigation by limiting the topic to elite pedophilia:

"Stay vigilant and don't excuse anything that is done in that subverse. It's compromised and this is a very big deal. I know these pedophiles outside of Voat and it pisses me off how easily they subvert our movements online. It's literally too easy for them and pedophiles have way too much freedom here...Pizzagate should be about taking out all pedophiles, not just the epstein tier pedos. There is pedophilia literally on Voat and it's also the HQ for Pizzagate? Think about that." https://files.catbox.moe/33fj11.png

  • And trying to get people to leave: https://files.catbox.moe/6pd94j.png. Yet his account only started 8/17/2017. He began his subverse attacking ProtectVoat on 12/1/2016. He caught my attention because his talking points and tactics are strikingly similar to another user...

I now believe that under other alts, he helped get the Reddit sub shut down, herded the users to Voat, and then instigated a war between the 20,000 horrified mostly-mainstream conservative folks and Bernie jiltees following the Podesta email revelations, and the rough-tongued, censorship-hating old goats of Voat. I personally observed the seeding of suspicion, the MSM "alt-right extremist" narrative push, and the ban baiting of r/pizzagate-turned-v/pizzagate mods worried about being silenced because of it and their subsequent removal, as well as the efforts of @Crensch, @kevdude and others to strike a balance to allow mods to set limits on the shills without compromising Voat's prime directive to allow free expression and depose PC tyranny.

I've repeatedly seen the talking points, brigading, intimidation, innuendo-smearing and disingenuous misquoting of top researchers and moderators first promulgated by armyseer via v/ PizzagateShills uncannily mirrored lately by freshmeat via v/realProtectVoat. Armyseer created a subverse to smear Pizzagate researchers and mods until he drove many them off Voat. Freshmeat created a subverse to smear those who prevented pizzagate from being destroyed --

...on 12/1/2017, the same day QAnon confirmed clues in Trump's Asia video and tweetsand said Phase I of the global swamp drain was complete and public.

I exposed armyseer's tactics and he's been mostly quiet in his numerous DeathtoMasons alts since fully doxing and threatening mod abortionburger with death months ago...until Q picked up steam.

Armyseer, who began his career identifying Amalek alts to win the trust of Crensch and kevdude, progressed to posing as a mod, issuing bans to trigger people so they would freak out, ragepost and get banned for real, left Voat last July. Freshmeat appears two weeks later -- admits to being Amalek in a post to Whatever, then self-deletes. (Check the very first post).

Coincidentally, freshmeat suddenly starts shit-talking and downvoting in pizzagate and GreatAwakening for three pages of his comment history the day QAnon finally reveals the nature of the evil truth that "would put 99% of Americans (the world) in the hospital."

I believe a serious analysis of freshmeat's history in light of the evidence I've presented shows that he is not just an annoying but harmless autist. He is a tenacious and malignant operator, who undermined the original v/pizzagate investigator mods @PleadingtheYiff and @pizzathrowaway777, hunted abortionburger on Reddit as RedditArmyOverseer to the point of being banned there for doxxing and then on Voat as armyseer after she published an article about a 16-year-old allegedly raped by James Alefantis at Comet Ping Pong. He attacked @IsThisGameofThrones who was subsequently death threatened by Alefantis and filed a police report. Then pushed the idea the YouTuber was Amalek.

Freshmeat aka Amalek aka MightyYetGentle aka armyseer aka She is dangerous, protects Alefantis and tries to destroy those investigating him and Voaters who protect them. He's not here for free-speech. As more of the corrupt establishment is dismantled, he will get worse.

Watch your backs.

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tossyokeys ago

I began to suspect that freshmeat and various alts have been embedded in Pizzagate all along.

Have you considered that pizzagate (the thing, not the sub) is a hoax designed to distract from actual pedo activity going on in government, and is designed to discredit future investigations?

Vindicator ago

Have you considered that pizzagate (the thing, not the sub) is a hoax

What are you, the New York Times?

I've been a mod there for over a year, read the vast majority of every post that has come through. There is a mountain of evidence that the elite use child sex abuse to consolidate their power, trafficking kids from Haiti, the U.S. foster care system and numerous other places. There is also evidence CP was found on the Comet Ping Pong server, was reported to DC Metro Police, and they refused to investigate. Shortly afterward, a second hacker reported a similar story which Infowars failed to fully vet and got themselves sideways with Alefantis' lawyers. This little psyop effectively made the first guy's story untouchable by the media who were afraid to be sued. We've documented it all.

NotHereForPizza ago

And yet you show people how to make their posts not get deleted, endorse other retards who promote the same thing, then change the fucking rules to promote discord.

Good mother of fuck, read the words you type.

Vindicator ago

Not really clear what you are referring to. Our rules are complex; of course I show people how to meet them. Retards who promote what thing? And when did I ever change the rules, let alone promote discord?

NotHereForPizza ago

I never really responded, so here:

Our rules are complex; of course I show people how to meet them.

But, from my view, this appears to be more a way to make sure the rules don't apply to you. Beyond that, one of the three main rules for v/pizzagate when I came was "No meta discussion." The most relevant section of today's version of the rules is "Posts about the subverse itself go to /v/pizzagatemods." I don't currently have time to dedicate to finding a screen capture of about the time the rules would've shown themselves, but I'd hope that wouldn't make much of a difference to the audience.

Look, at worst, I'm being pedantic with you. I get that. But, you have to understand (and while you seem to have been the most collected and well-spoken of the mods, that I've dealt with anyway, you still seem to turn a blind eye to it at best) there are some among the mod team, if you aren't directly complicit yourself, that are there for more malevolent reasons than what you appear to be at the surface. Don't believe me? That's fine. But, I've grown up in these environments, and was molded by them. Certain methods stand out more than others. That's all that really needs said, I would suppose.

Still though, the pilpul laced semantics bothers the hell out of me, dude.

Vindicator ago

the pilpul laced semantics bothers the hell out of me, dude.

I am trying to understand what this means. What is "pilpul"?

Womb_Raider ago

The funny part about this image is you employ pilpul.

Vindicator ago

Ah. Pilpul = sophistry.

So @nothereforpizza is saying I am mouthing off without saying anything? That seems like pilpul itself to me, since every piece of what I have said in this was based on evidence I found, each of which can be debated on it's merits.

It's fascinating to me that no one responding to the research I have presented seems interested in the primary claim that Voat has termites in the walls.

NotHereForPizza ago

Phrase it how you'd like, it still smells like "this is how you circumvent rules."

Certain people tend to do certain things that alert other people. The key with these kinds of things, specifically, is the frequency.

Beyond that, this was combined with bullshit meta about abortionburger not being a mod anymore or whatever, which I specifically said at the time wasn't front page worthy (which has always somehow been evaded, even when you do this neutral-speak PR shit with me).

The sub drama combined with the meta talk (when there's another sub for that), and the signaling is what makes it stand out.

Pilpul

https://voat.co/v/whatever/2451837/12226707

You didn't respond to this one, but you still make claims like this.

NotHereForPizza ago

Also,

I am mouthing off without saying anything? That seems like pilpul itself to me, since every piece of what I have said in this was based on evidence I found, each of which can be debated on it's merits.

I've specifically done this here:

But, from my view, this appears to be more a way to make sure the rules don't apply to you. Beyond that, one of the three main rules for v/pizzagate when I came was "No meta discussion." The most relevant section of today's version of the rules is "Posts about the subverse itself go to /v/pizzagatemods." I don't currently have time to dedicate to finding a screen capture of about the time the rules would've shown themselves, but I'd hope that wouldn't make much of a difference to the audience.

https://voat.co/v/whatever/2451837/12233345

NotHereForPizza ago

While crensch puts his spin on everything like that, it's more a legal discourse word.

Again, this was a reference to the term I dubbed neutral-speak above.

Sure, make claims. I've remained consistent from the moment I came here. My record will speak for itself.

Vindicator ago

wecanhelp and MF dropped the "meta" rule because no one could clearly define what it meant. That was about 9 months ago. We first submitted a clarified ruleset for everyone to comment on and up or downvote. It was an attempt to moderate more in line with what users want.

This appears to be more a way to make sure the rules don't apply to you

Hm. I don't see it that way. I see it as a way to improve the quality of your post until it satisfies the rules -- which is the purpose of the rules in the first place. Also, it allows the maximum number of posts to remain before the userbase to up or downvote as they see fit. The primary way content is curated Voatwide is by the voting system. It's the whole point of the platform. Mods are not supposed to be curating content, so in my mind, helping users understand how to satisfy the rules so that the voting system can do it's thing is a way of curtailing mod power and insuring against "malevolent" moderation. The more stuff mods remove, the less chance the folks have to determine the content of the board.

Even with disinfo posts, I vastly prefer flairing to removing, which not only takes the material and the user who posted it out of the public eye, it removes the post from their Submission history, making it hard to judge the nefarious characters when clicking their username.

NotHereForPizza ago

Yeah, so what you're defining is meta... which could've easily been what v/pizzagatewhatever was for.. which was the same narrative I maintained th entire time.

The problem was, if you still don't understand, was the endorsements from the other mods despite it breaking the rules, the lengthy defense despite directly approaching what meta might mean (which, as I maintain, was better used as my argument, which would then follow with me saying okay then redefine what meta means, because this is definitely meta), the abandonment of my position that meta posts had been flooding the front page for weeks due to abortionburger leaving and all that dumb bullshit. You changed the rule, anyway! So, what the fuck?

As a side note, I was right - I specifically told you that the problem would come up. I may have been a dick about it, but as you've just stated, you came across the problem. Yet, I was shouted down when I mentioned that the issue would come up.

Maybe you dumbasses should've listened. What should we think now, after you didn't listen, but still had to change the rule?

This is what I mean, Vind. It just seems like you're talking in circles. I was consistent from the beginning, no one addressed the argument, and I was proven right. Yet, none of you manage to maintain that I'm credible.

SMELLS LIKE FISH