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Womb_Raider ago

I don't like freshmeat either, but this post is accusing them of being @she and @amalek? Don't you think that's a little ludicrous? What makes you think that?

@She was from SBBH's camp, it was clear as day from the IRC screenshots that @she was friends with the present SBBH gang and not only that, she was a raging SJW.

I think you're off base, Vindicator. Not to mention that criticisms of the PG sub are pretty valid... especially early on, while PG was gaining steam, much of the moderation was suspect. That's why 4-5 replacement subs were born. That didn't happen for no reason.

This post appears to be peppered with falsehoods the likes of which makes me suspect whether you're a sock puppet account of SBBH... I'll add you to the list of accounts to watch, I guess. Surprisingly big list.

Crensch ago

I don't like freshmeat either

Given your presence here, I don't believe this. The links proving what Vindicator said are there, and you question them as if they're not.

Sounds like someone has a dog in this fight, but wants to appear neutral to me.

Womb_Raider ago

Frankly, I've caught you lying and manipulating people so many times that I no longer care what you have to say, Crensch.

Crensch ago

Except you haven't, because if you had, you'd have links and archives of it like I do for freshmeat.

Womb_Raider ago

I do have screens. Remember when you called discord a honeypot to dox users? You deleted all of those comments, but I have them. Why did you try to hide your words, Crensch? That's good evidence of dishonesty right there. You're such a coward.

Crensch ago

I deleted comments? Where?

I don't think you have what you say you have.

Crensch ago

Not evidence of anything.

Womb_Raider ago

Those were your top comments that are deleted, do you deny it?

Crensch ago

Did you present evidence? Or did you just present a link to deleted comments?

Womb_Raider ago

Do you or do you not deny it, first?

Crensch ago

So, no evidence? Good to know.

Womb_Raider ago

Answer the question and you'll see. It says a lot that you won't answer. Admission of guilt.

Crensch ago

TIL exercising the right to remain silent = admission of guilt.

It's not happening. Provide your evidence or be someone that doesn't support his claims. Your choice.

Womb_Raider ago

The right to remain silent = a law that protects you from prosecution. You're remaining silent because you know those comments were in fact your comments making wild, false claims about discord's capabilities to destroy individuals.

You're a piece of work.

Crensch ago

The right to remain silent = a law that protects you from prosecution.

How funny is that.

You're remaining silent because you know those comments were in fact your comments making wild, false claims about discord's capabilities to destroy individuals.

That's quite the claim. Proof?

You're a piece of work.

Says the guy that doesn't support his claims.

heygeorge ago

I'd like to see @womb_raider's evidence of the mysterious deleted Crensch comments.

DieselBustersYes ago

@Womb_Raider...

So, how many bitcoins did @kevdude pay your for your shill work?

Lucky fucking bastard, heard that you got .1! >:(

Womb_Raider ago

He paid me in brigades

DieselBustersYes ago

Was it worth it though?

Womb_Raider ago

More evidence of manipulation is a good thing, I suppose. It would take a lot of effort to silence me, and doing so would make it clear to voat that something is amiss. I think everyone's aware you guys brigade anyway, but supportive evidence is good.

DieselBustersYes ago

Is @freshmeat/ @9-11 and his army of a hundred socks that try to infiltrate SBBH helping you on your adventure with fighting SRS/SBBH?

Womb_Raider ago

If you're asking if he's worth defending, the answer's probably no. But I will defend anyone on this website from lies.

Crensch ago

I don't like freshmeat either, but this post is accusing them of being @she and @amalek? Don't you think that's a little ludicrous? What makes you think that?

Did you follow the fucking links, faggot?

https://searchvoat.co/?t=&s=&u=freshmeat&d=&nsfw=off&o=on

What did @freshmeat post there?

https://archive.is/uD9q8

What did @MightyYetGentle1488 post there?

No reason to even read the rest of your shit.

Womb_Raider ago

I saw those. I don't find them credible.

When it comes to weighing the credibility of myg versus SBBH, he ranks just slightly above you guys, if that puts things in perspective for you.

Crensch ago

Oh, I know your position here. I can guess WHY it's your position, too. So can everyone else.

Womb_Raider ago

Because I think MYG is a liar? Yes, that's my position. Since when is it not yours?

Crensch ago

You're either not understanding, or pretending to not understand. Either one is kinda funny.

freshmeat ago

I'm honestly too busy for this shit tonight, 7 months ago everyone was role-playing as amalek and there were many front-page shit posts claiming to be Amalek. I joined in on the fun. I am not Amalek, he is in jail.

Crensch ago

Too busy to get your bot army or discord/irc buddies to log in and defend m'lady?

freshmeat ago

dude it's saturday night. People have lives, and I was on my way out until I logged in an hour ago. Now I really need to leave, we can pick up on this tomorrow for god damn sure. You guys didn't even try to hide your bots tonight.

Crensch ago

dude it's saturday night. People have lives, and I was on my way out until I logged in an hour ago. Now I really need to leave, we can pick up on this tomorrow for god damn sure. You guys didn't even try to hide your bots tonight.

You mean the single accounts that we all have and use to post content here while you and your buddies ADMITTEDLY have alts that you slip in and out of?

Keep at it, cupcake.

freshmeat ago

you're literally making shit up, you look like a god damn retard

Crensch ago

you're literally making shit up, you look like a god damn retard

What did I make up with my previous comment?

Vindicator ago

This post appears to be peppered with falsehoods

Oh? Please elaborate.

Womb_Raider ago

Well, the @she accusation for instance feels like a massive reach. I mean, honestly, how do you think? You're not addressing me question, so lets start there before you question me, please. And @amalek? I'd like you to expound there too, if you could. Those are ridiculous accusations, and I know freshmeat better than I would have liked to.

Vindicator ago

You're not addressing me question, so lets start there before you question me, please.

All of the evidence I just replied to you with was in the OP, but you're acting like I made baseless claims. Of course I questioned you.

Vindicator ago

Freshmeat's joined Voat 8/17/2017 and made his first post to Whatever 8/17/2017 “Amalek here, Friendly reminder that lefty reddit liberals are the top posters.” Post deleted 12/1/2017. https://searchvoat.co/?t=&s=&u=freshmeat&d=&nsfw=off&o=on (See first link)

MYG is an O of RPV and likely an Amalek alt: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2244203

I didn't research She, but MYG claimed to be an alt here: https://archive.is/uD9q8

Womb_Raider ago

Yeah, I asked mighty about the "Amalek here" thing, he said it's because everyone was pretending to be Amalek some 7 months ago and he was joining the fun. If it's his first post on a fresh account, I'm not sure how I feel about that. Being the first post for the account is questionable, I will concede that.

I know he runs rPV, but why should that be considered a negative thing? You defend Protect Voat and attack a redundant subverse? That doesn't make much sense to me. At least their sub posts about the PDF spammer.

MYG is definitely not @she. You joined voat after the @she event occurred. How would you know anything about it anyway? I'm calling deceit.

Vindicator ago

I find it interesting that you are fixating on a single, three character word in a piece with dozens of much more important components, ignoring the mountain of evidence I presented, as well as the premise, and claiming I am being deceptive. MYG said he was @she, which I documented. As I said, I know little about that drama. I don't even know why including it is getting you and everyone else so riled up. I do know how armyseer used a subverse he controlled in a way eerily similar to freshmeat, to wage an incredibly damaging disinfo campaign that resulted in the doxxing and silencing of multiple excellent researchers, and that the most vicious attacks attacks of both coincide directly with revelations exposing the Clinton cabal.

Perhaps I was wrong to think Voat would be interested in the evidence of this.

xenoPsychologist ago

not to mention saying "peppered with falsehoods" and when asked to elaborate, went back to the one thing.

Womb_Raider ago

I just addressed the parts I'm certain of. The remainder of your post is news to me, and may be valid information. I don't know. I will be looking into the rest of it and updating my opinion, probably editing this comment in response. Like I said, I don't like the guy, but if you're endorsing SBBH you must be suspect also.

These downvoats in this thread are very, very strange. I went from 21380 CCP to my current 21304, that's a lot of activity in a small window. Screams manipulation to me.

Vindicator ago

With so much points to begin with, why do you even worry about it? I lost 500 points overnight once right after I became a mod. But I don't worry about it much.

Womb_Raider ago

It's the principle. Someone brigading another user is an attempt to silence their viewpoint. The system is designed to counter spam but when manipulated and left unchecked, it could silence anybody. It's always important to call it when you see it.

I don't mind legitimate downvoats, but if I feel a group is trying to bury criticism, that bothers me.

Crensch ago

What it screams is that you're demonstrably wrong, and your anecdotal context isn't as solid as you seem to think it should be.

You're treating good users poorly, while defending the user called out in OP.

But obviously those downvotes are unexplainable without brigading.

Womb_Raider ago

What it screams is that you're demonstrably wrong

How so? I disagree.

You're treating good users poorly, while defending the user called out in OP.

No I'm not. I'm addressing the topic at hand objectively. Vindicator mods a sub that has caused controversy on voat and I simply said so. You disagree? You are delusional of the existence of the offshoots of Pizzagate? What point are you making here? Who do you consider 'good users', SBBH members?

But obviously those downvotes are unexplainable without brigading.

80 in less than 8 hours? Yes, that's strange activity.

Crensch ago

No I'm not. I'm addressing the topic at hand objectively. Vindicator mods a sub that has caused controversy on voat and I simply said so.

More pretending to not understand. Really funny.

80 in less than 8 hours? Yes, that's strange activity.

If I commented as you have, I'd expect more downvotes.

Then again, I could just post something anti-freshmeat to get those.

Womb_Raider ago

Pretending to not understand? Please elaborate. I understand perfectly well what's going on.

Crensch ago

You're treating good users poorly, while defending the user called out in OP.

No I'm not. I'm addressing the topic at hand objectively. Vindicator mods a sub that has caused controversy on voat and I simply said so.

More pretending to not understand. Really funny.

Pretending to not understand? Please elaborate. I understand perfectly well what's going on.

Every claim in OP is sourced, but you say:

This post appears to be peppered with falsehoods the likes of which makes me suspect whether you're a sock puppet account of SBBH... I'll add you to the list of accounts to watch, I guess. Surprisingly big list.

When @Vindicator asks:

This post appears to be peppered with falsehoods

Oh? Please elaborate.

You say:

Well, the @she accusation for instance feels like a massive reach. I mean, honestly, how do you think? You're not addressing me question,

Attacking the user for not responding to your ridicule-worthy, and obviously rhetorical questions. Let's go through them:

Question 1:

I don't like freshmeat either, but this post is accusing them of being @she and @amalek?

What do you want as a response here, a "yes"? Do you really expect any other response? Is this the question he was supposed to answer?

Question 2:

Don't you think that's a little ludicrous?

What... with you having written nothing but the above question, you think he's just going to turn around and say, "my god, HOW BLIND COULD I HAVE BEEN? Of COURSE it's ludicrous!"? Was this the question he didn't answer?

Question 3:

What makes you think that?

... He dug around and found the usernames linked to the user in question ADMITTING things. What answer do you want here? "Oh, SBBH told me so!"? Is it a trick question? Why would you think something if the evidence is right in front of you, I wonder?

Was that question the reason you pulled your passive-aggressive shame attack on him for not answering? "You didn't answer my question, you rude fuck, so start by answering my question before questioning me."

Remember when you wrote this?

Well, the @she accusation for instance feels like a massive reach. I mean, honestly, how do you think? You're not addressing me question, so lets start there before you question me, please. And @amalek? I'd like you to expound there too, if you could. Those are ridiculous accusations, and I know freshmeat better than I would have liked to.

http://archive.is/npRlt

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