Something fucky is afoot.
It's been relatively peaceful in v/pizzagate for months, except for freshmeat-style brigading and vitriol every time someone makes a post about the Q Leaks. This was bad enough that users created and moved Q discussion to a new sub, GreatAwakening.
But then, last Saturday, 3/10, QAnon declares "March Madness", hints Merkel is a blood relative of Hitler and implies the Nazi's did not lose WWII. Voat goes down, the chans lock up, and post-maintenance Voat develops numerous bugs. Freshmeat magically shows up like a shark at an umputee pool party and he and several other users seize upon the vote-count bugs to run the "Voat is corrupt and run by pedophiles, you rubes need to migrate" play in multiple threads in PG and GreatAwakening.
I posted in Voatdev to make sure they saw the way the lack of communication about the bugs was feeding the shills and impacting PG. I was able to publicly undermine his pitch to paranoid pizzagate members by getting him to admit he knows nothing about our sub and was making baseless slurs. The vote count remained evenly matched the first day, but two days later, downvoats had doubled on many comments by me and other PG mods and users.
But I believe the picture is larger than this.
Based on the way I've seen the nefarious characters behave over the past year whenever anything with real potential to drain the swamp materializes, I began to suspect that freshmeat and various alts have been embedded in Pizzagate all along.
- Here is freshmeat saying corrupt mods are "the same shit that went down on Reddit before we all got kicked to Voat." https://files.catbox.moe/2ts8lm.png
- Claiming mods and O's are pedophiles that he knows outside of Vote and suppressing investigation by limiting the topic to elite pedophilia:
"Stay vigilant and don't excuse anything that is done in that subverse. It's compromised and this is a very big deal. I know these pedophiles outside of Voat and it pisses me off how easily they subvert our movements online. It's literally too easy for them and pedophiles have way too much freedom here...Pizzagate should be about taking out all pedophiles, not just the epstein tier pedos. There is pedophilia literally on Voat and it's also the HQ for Pizzagate? Think about that." https://files.catbox.moe/33fj11.png
- And trying to get people to leave: https://files.catbox.moe/6pd94j.png. Yet his account only started 8/17/2017.
He began his subverse attacking ProtectVoat on 12/1/2016. He caught my attention because his talking points and tactics are strikingly similar to another user...
I now believe that under other alts, he helped get the Reddit sub shut down, herded the users to Voat, and then instigated a war between the 20,000 horrified mostly-mainstream conservative folks and Bernie jiltees following the Podesta email revelations, and the rough-tongued, censorship-hating old goats of Voat. I personally observed the seeding of suspicion, the MSM "alt-right extremist" narrative push, and the ban baiting of r/pizzagate-turned-v/pizzagate mods worried about being silenced because of it and their subsequent removal, as well as the efforts of @Crensch, @kevdude and others to strike a balance to allow mods to set limits on the shills without compromising Voat's prime directive to allow free expression and depose PC tyranny.
I've repeatedly seen the talking points, brigading, intimidation, innuendo-smearing and disingenuous misquoting of top researchers and moderators first promulgated by armyseer via v/ PizzagateShills uncannily mirrored lately by freshmeat via v/realProtectVoat. Armyseer created a subverse to smear Pizzagate researchers and mods until he drove many them off Voat. Freshmeat created a subverse to smear those who prevented pizzagate from being destroyed --
...on 12/1/2017, the same day QAnon confirmed clues in Trump's Asia video and tweetsand said Phase I of the global swamp drain was complete and public.
I exposed armyseer's tactics and he's been mostly quiet in his numerous DeathtoMasons alts since fully doxing and threatening mod abortionburger with death months ago...until Q picked up steam.
Armyseer, who began his career identifying Amalek alts to win the trust of Crensch and kevdude, progressed to posing as a mod, issuing bans to trigger people so they would freak out, ragepost and get banned for real, left Voat last July. Freshmeat appears two weeks later -- admits to being Amalek in a post to Whatever, then self-deletes. (Check the very first post).
Coincidentally, freshmeat suddenly starts shit-talking and downvoting in pizzagate and GreatAwakening for three pages of his comment history the day QAnon finally reveals the nature of the evil truth that "would put 99% of Americans (the world) in the hospital."
I believe a serious analysis of freshmeat's history in light of the evidence I've presented shows that he is not just an annoying but harmless autist. He is a tenacious and malignant operator, who undermined the original v/pizzagate investigator mods @PleadingtheYiff and @pizzathrowaway777, hunted abortionburger on Reddit as RedditArmyOverseer to the point of being banned there for doxxing and then on Voat as armyseer after she published an article about a 16-year-old allegedly raped by James Alefantis at Comet Ping Pong. He attacked @IsThisGameofThrones who was subsequently death threatened by Alefantis and filed a police report. Then pushed the idea the YouTuber was Amalek.
Freshmeat aka Amalek aka MightyYetGentle aka armyseer aka She is dangerous, protects Alefantis and tries to destroy those investigating him and Voaters who protect them. He's not here for free-speech. As more of the corrupt establishment is dismantled, he will get worse.
Watch your backs.
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Womb_Raider ago
I don't like freshmeat either, but this post is accusing them of being @she and @amalek? Don't you think that's a little ludicrous? What makes you think that?
@She was from SBBH's camp, it was clear as day from the IRC screenshots that @she was friends with the present SBBH gang and not only that, she was a raging SJW.
I think you're off base, Vindicator. Not to mention that criticisms of the PG sub are pretty valid... especially early on, while PG was gaining steam, much of the moderation was suspect. That's why 4-5 replacement subs were born. That didn't happen for no reason.
This post appears to be peppered with falsehoods the likes of which makes me suspect whether you're a sock puppet account of SBBH... I'll add you to the list of accounts to watch, I guess. Surprisingly big list.
Vindicator ago
Oh? Please elaborate.
Womb_Raider ago
Well, the @she accusation for instance feels like a massive reach. I mean, honestly, how do you think? You're not addressing me question, so lets start there before you question me, please. And @amalek? I'd like you to expound there too, if you could. Those are ridiculous accusations, and I know freshmeat better than I would have liked to.
Vindicator ago
Freshmeat's joined Voat 8/17/2017 and made his first post to Whatever 8/17/2017 “Amalek here, Friendly reminder that lefty reddit liberals are the top posters.” Post deleted 12/1/2017. https://searchvoat.co/?t=&s=&u=freshmeat&d=&nsfw=off&o=on (See first link)
MYG is an O of RPV and likely an Amalek alt: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2244203
I didn't research She, but MYG claimed to be an alt here: https://archive.is/uD9q8
Womb_Raider ago
Yeah, I asked mighty about the "Amalek here" thing, he said it's because everyone was pretending to be Amalek some 7 months ago and he was joining the fun. If it's his first post on a fresh account, I'm not sure how I feel about that. Being the first post for the account is questionable, I will concede that.
I know he runs rPV, but why should that be considered a negative thing? You defend Protect Voat and attack a redundant subverse? That doesn't make much sense to me. At least their sub posts about the PDF spammer.
MYG is definitely not @she. You joined voat after the @she event occurred. How would you know anything about it anyway? I'm calling deceit.
Vindicator ago
I find it interesting that you are fixating on a single, three character word in a piece with dozens of much more important components, ignoring the mountain of evidence I presented, as well as the premise, and claiming I am being deceptive. MYG said he was @she, which I documented. As I said, I know little about that drama. I don't even know why including it is getting you and everyone else so riled up. I do know how armyseer used a subverse he controlled in a way eerily similar to freshmeat, to wage an incredibly damaging disinfo campaign that resulted in the doxxing and silencing of multiple excellent researchers, and that the most vicious attacks attacks of both coincide directly with revelations exposing the Clinton cabal.
Perhaps I was wrong to think Voat would be interested in the evidence of this.
Womb_Raider ago
I just addressed the parts I'm certain of. The remainder of your post is news to me, and may be valid information. I don't know. I will be looking into the rest of it and updating my opinion, probably editing this comment in response. Like I said, I don't like the guy, but if you're endorsing SBBH you must be suspect also.
These downvoats in this thread are very, very strange. I went from 21380 CCP to my current 21304, that's a lot of activity in a small window. Screams manipulation to me.
Vindicator ago
With so much points to begin with, why do you even worry about it? I lost 500 points overnight once right after I became a mod. But I don't worry about it much.
Womb_Raider ago
It's the principle. Someone brigading another user is an attempt to silence their viewpoint. The system is designed to counter spam but when manipulated and left unchecked, it could silence anybody. It's always important to call it when you see it.
I don't mind legitimate downvoats, but if I feel a group is trying to bury criticism, that bothers me.
Crensch ago
What it screams is that you're demonstrably wrong, and your anecdotal context isn't as solid as you seem to think it should be.
You're treating good users poorly, while defending the user called out in OP.
But obviously those downvotes are unexplainable without brigading.
Womb_Raider ago
How so? I disagree.
No I'm not. I'm addressing the topic at hand objectively. Vindicator mods a sub that has caused controversy on voat and I simply said so. You disagree? You are delusional of the existence of the offshoots of Pizzagate? What point are you making here? Who do you consider 'good users', SBBH members?
80 in less than 8 hours? Yes, that's strange activity.
Crensch ago
More pretending to not understand. Really funny.
If I commented as you have, I'd expect more downvotes.
Then again, I could just post something anti-freshmeat to get those.
Womb_Raider ago
Pretending to not understand? Please elaborate. I understand perfectly well what's going on.
Crensch ago
Every claim in OP is sourced, but you say:
When @Vindicator asks:
You say:
Attacking the user for not responding to your ridicule-worthy, and obviously rhetorical questions. Let's go through them:
Question 1:
What do you want as a response here, a "yes"? Do you really expect any other response? Is this the question he was supposed to answer?
Question 2:
What... with you having written nothing but the above question, you think he's just going to turn around and say, "my god, HOW BLIND COULD I HAVE BEEN? Of COURSE it's ludicrous!"? Was this the question he didn't answer?
Question 3:
... He dug around and found the usernames linked to the user in question ADMITTING things. What answer do you want here? "Oh, SBBH told me so!"? Is it a trick question? Why would you think something if the evidence is right in front of you, I wonder?
Was that question the reason you pulled your passive-aggressive shame attack on him for not answering? "You didn't answer my question, you rude fuck, so start by answering my question before questioning me."
Remember when you wrote this?
http://archive.is/npRlt
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