this really seems like some drama that should be kept in your own space, @srayzie. you've got your own sub to voice this to. we're over here trying to save the world.
Since Neon Revolt considers this his subverse, and he is the one that made the post, I am sharing it on both because the whole Q community needs to be aware of the ofmthe division he is causing.
Why don’t you grow a pair patriot. This is obviously a nice new sock puppet account because you know that deleting it and banning me will make you guys look even worse. But all you’re doing is showing frustration that you do not like that all that I’m doing is exposing the truth. Why would that bother you?
Go to your mod discord that your friend told me you guys are always at, and take a vote. Ask them if this makes you look better or worse?
People do this all the time on voat. It’s very obvious.
Should us Q followers be about 1) unity and transparency? Or 2) divisionand alt accounts?
NR makes a post lying about v/GreatAwakening, and ultimately it's mod @srayzie, indicating it's somehow comped over a mere ping list. A ping list has nothing to do with moderation of the subverse or how the subverse is ran. She created the ping list to get the attention of users who may miss what she feels are important topics.
The proof that said ping list is somehow bad, was because two users had "toast" in their name, but lacked the detail all of the evidence before it had. It was simply a move of "dazzle them with bullshit" in my opinion to convey a lie.
NR's own words in regards to that article is, "I choose my words very carefully." Multiple have no asked him to clear up the outright lie he used, and he refuses to address it other than that statement I just gave.
Just from that alone, he was given multiple opportunities to come clean. If I were to take NR by their word alone, he deliberately sowed doubt and discord with super flimsy evidence. We can only speculate why as he refuses to actually address the issue.
Just recently he made a post on gab about FoT. I know next to nothing about the drama going on there, but I did look at the evidence that was presented for this. The topic is about FoT trying to buy influence.
His evidence is a cropped picture, showing someone else offering FoT influence for a few concessions. FoT comes back with a money related comment - probably a joke, but one can't be sure since all we have is a cropped picture cutting out the rest of the conversation that took place. He uses that cropped picture as evidence someone is trying to buy favor, when in reality that isn't what happened.
If I were to assume that FoT's comment about shekels was infact real and the cropped picture is the entire conversation, it doesn't make what FoT wrote any more nefarious. What you then see is a negotiation between two parties, where "your side" comes to him first, offering said influence.
Let's go back to NR's own words. This is from his "Don't trust v/GreatAwakening" rant.
And in truth, part of the way I’ve viewed my job here, writing on the site during this time, is as part translator/part filter.
In other words, I wade through rivers of excrement, dive in deep to pull out the gold nuggets, and leave the filth behind.
These are the words of a gate keeper. Q asks you guys to figure out the messages for himself so you can warn others of what is happening. He doesn't tell you all to follow someone who is telling you his message. Messages are often distorted, twisted, or lost in translation. You are always free to go to Q's boards on 8chan and ask for clarifications if you're stuck in your research - Q may not respond, but the option exists.
The real issue with this type of gate keeping that NR is doing is the monetary incentive. At the end of each of his articles, there's the ole, "buy my merchandise" bit. Q himself could be making millions upon millions from the information he has through extortion, blackmail, and espionage. Q has chosen to do none of this.
Just from looking at these few things from NR very recently, it looks very suspect. First it's flimsy evidence that doesn't show anything is compromised, and the second thing is something being taken out of context and twisted to fit a narrative much like the MSM does. There's also the admitted gate keeping with "buy my stuff" which shows a monetary incentive to keep you hooked on the line with what he wants to tell you. If more and more of you read his material, that's more opportunity to sell you things.
I'm just asking you to consider these actions as of late. If NR is a force for good, why is he purposely lying and then not engaging in further discussion about it when asked? Why is he trying to make money from this movement?
who are you @srayzie
Have you disclosed that you are a moderator on v/pizzagate....
Do you think we should really care, should we trust you....
I don't....
I don’t delete or ban on pizzagate. I’m more behind the scenes like decision making and back up. I’ve never even needed to back up. But you’re free to think what you want. I started out there somI’m trusted. But, I’m too busy here to do much there.
That’s not even how it works there tho. There are rules because that’s the kind of topic that absolutely needs them. People are free to post on v/pizzagatewhatever if it doesn’t meet v/pizzagate’s criteria. Either way, our mod logs are public.
I've got an important post but can't post it because I don't have enough CCP or whatever that is. Please upvote me so that I can contribute to this subverse. Thanks!
Uh, as someone who has been here 1.6 years, you should know we heavily despise someone asking for upvoats.
Secondly, if you had paid any attention to what was going on, or even read the temporary sticky Putt made, you would know that the CCP gained here does absolutely nothing for anyone, anywhere.
I respectfully disagree. Groupthink not my strong point! I do my best to help newcomers with their upvoats - I well remember the frustration of not having upvoats when I started out. You take the high road and I'll take the low...
I upvoted you. CCP = comment contribution points, SCP = submission contribution points. Just realize voting in this sub only counts for this sub, which is all you probably care about, but you won't earn CCP/SCP in this sub.
The reason for the vitriol you see here is basically this:
If this sub did not have custom CCP rules, you would still need 10 CCP to post and 100 CCP to downvote. The 10 is not the issue. The 100 is. I'm not sure what the down voting rule in this sub is - it appears to me that you can't down vote, or at least down votes don't count against CCP. I think that's what pisses them off. I just notice that ALL of my down votes (and -CCP) have come from the other "open" sub. I had 15 or 16 CCP after a day there, then when I started asking questions and suggesting that maybe we could all get along, got down voted and kept down - now I can't post anywhere.
Since you are new, you will be waiting a very long time to see that 100. You would be subject the mob censoring you by virtue of down voting you. Every down vote decreases your CCP.
So if the veteran users, with hundreds of CCP don't like you, for whatever reason, you'll never be able to down vote and quite possibly ever make a post... unless they approve. They call this "free speech" lol.
By making custom rules for this sub, the users here are protected from the mob censorship of veteran users. Down voting does not effect CCP. They don't like that. Odd, since they say they hate censorship.
When I first came to Voat, I thought the voting system was for popularity, not censorship by the mob. This voting system sucks. But it is what it is so we live with it and go on.
I had the same experience on a much smaller scale - I can't make posts now, since evidently I pissed off some old goats. No big deal, I'll just lurk and comment as I see fit.
My advice, if you want to make new posts, go over to v/greatawakening and start commenting - be sensible, don't rock the boat, you'll be upvoted past 10 CCP in a day or 2.
The problem I had was going up against the nay sayers here - they didn't like the challenge so down I went. You'll probably be ok if you just stick to Q posting and don't respond to their trolling - which is the mistake I made.
Oh and the Block button is nice - click on the user name you don't like, hit the Block button. Done.
You will need to explore before you can post, because this sub was set to private and no amount of upvoat will get you anywhere. They don't count in voat world. v/introductions is the greeting area, v/GreatAwakening is the already existing sub, there's also v/pizzagate and v/pizzagatewhatever.
All CCP (Comment Contribution Points) earned in this sub are null and void due to the restrictive settings your moderators have placed on this subverse. You can read about this in further detail here. Why your mods made such a decision is up for you to decide. To actually gain CCP, you must venture outside of this sub and make comments on other posts. I highly suggest making comments that actually engage in the post you're commenting on, instead of just begging for upvoats.
Fuck it! Let the tales grow with the wheat they will be known by their fruits. Just ignore them and the cream will rise to the top. Use your best judgment on who is real and who is not it will work out.
Theperniciousjoo ago
this really seems like some drama that should be kept in your own space, @srayzie. you've got your own sub to voice this to. we're over here trying to save the world.
just sayin.
srayzie ago
Mr less than 2 hour sick puppet... Now THAT is funny. Just a reminder. This is Voat and we are about free speech.
Theperniciousjoo ago
ok, that's perfectly fine. but why do you feel the need for such reassurance that you come over to this sub to bitch?
srayzie ago
Since Neon Revolt considers this his subverse, and he is the one that made the post, I am sharing it on both because the whole Q community needs to be aware of the ofmthe division he is causing.
Why don’t you grow a pair patriot. This is obviously a nice new sock puppet account because you know that deleting it and banning me will make you guys look even worse. But all you’re doing is showing frustration that you do not like that all that I’m doing is exposing the truth. Why would that bother you?
Go to your mod discord that your friend told me you guys are always at, and take a vote. Ask them if this makes you look better or worse?
People do this all the time on voat. It’s very obvious.
Should us Q followers be about 1) unity and transparency? Or 2) divisionand alt accounts?
Theperniciousjoo ago
You tell me, shizy
https://voat.co/v/theawakening/2725461
kneo24 ago
Here's a comment I made elsewhere about him.
NR makes a post lying about v/GreatAwakening, and ultimately it's mod @srayzie, indicating it's somehow comped over a mere ping list. A ping list has nothing to do with moderation of the subverse or how the subverse is ran. She created the ping list to get the attention of users who may miss what she feels are important topics.
The proof that said ping list is somehow bad, was because two users had "toast" in their name, but lacked the detail all of the evidence before it had. It was simply a move of "dazzle them with bullshit" in my opinion to convey a lie.
NR's own words in regards to that article is, "I choose my words very carefully." Multiple have no asked him to clear up the outright lie he used, and he refuses to address it other than that statement I just gave.
Just from that alone, he was given multiple opportunities to come clean. If I were to take NR by their word alone, he deliberately sowed doubt and discord with super flimsy evidence. We can only speculate why as he refuses to actually address the issue.
Just recently he made a post on gab about FoT. I know next to nothing about the drama going on there, but I did look at the evidence that was presented for this. The topic is about FoT trying to buy influence.
His evidence is a cropped picture, showing someone else offering FoT influence for a few concessions. FoT comes back with a money related comment - probably a joke, but one can't be sure since all we have is a cropped picture cutting out the rest of the conversation that took place. He uses that cropped picture as evidence someone is trying to buy favor, when in reality that isn't what happened.
If I were to assume that FoT's comment about shekels was infact real and the cropped picture is the entire conversation, it doesn't make what FoT wrote any more nefarious. What you then see is a negotiation between two parties, where "your side" comes to him first, offering said influence.
Let's go back to NR's own words. This is from his "Don't trust v/GreatAwakening" rant.
These are the words of a gate keeper. Q asks you guys to figure out the messages for himself so you can warn others of what is happening. He doesn't tell you all to follow someone who is telling you his message. Messages are often distorted, twisted, or lost in translation. You are always free to go to Q's boards on 8chan and ask for clarifications if you're stuck in your research - Q may not respond, but the option exists.
The real issue with this type of gate keeping that NR is doing is the monetary incentive. At the end of each of his articles, there's the ole, "buy my merchandise" bit. Q himself could be making millions upon millions from the information he has through extortion, blackmail, and espionage. Q has chosen to do none of this.
Just from looking at these few things from NR very recently, it looks very suspect. First it's flimsy evidence that doesn't show anything is compromised, and the second thing is something being taken out of context and twisted to fit a narrative much like the MSM does. There's also the admitted gate keeping with "buy my stuff" which shows a monetary incentive to keep you hooked on the line with what he wants to tell you. If more and more of you read his material, that's more opportunity to sell you things.
I'm just asking you to consider these actions as of late. If NR is a force for good, why is he purposely lying and then not engaging in further discussion about it when asked? Why is he trying to make money from this movement?
POTUSMILQ ago
who are you @srayzie Have you disclosed that you are a moderator on v/pizzagate.... Do you think we should really care, should we trust you.... I don't....
skeetervalent1no ago
son you disgust me. shame on you. shame on you and your kind.
ESOTERICshade ago
What the fuck does that matter you shit stirring asshole? There is nothing wrong with being a mod in more than one sub. Go fuck yourself.
Theperniciousjoo ago
and the attack dogs are summoned...
srayzie ago
I don’t delete or ban on pizzagate. I’m more behind the scenes like decision making and back up. I’ve never even needed to back up. But you’re free to think what you want. I started out there somI’m trusted. But, I’m too busy here to do much there.
That’s not even how it works there tho. There are rules because that’s the kind of topic that absolutely needs them. People are free to post on v/pizzagatewhatever if it doesn’t meet v/pizzagate’s criteria. Either way, our mod logs are public.
GoogleStoleMyBike ago
@NeonRevolt is a lying sack of shit.
sodpoodlebb ago
I've got an important post but can't post it because I don't have enough CCP or whatever that is. Please upvote me so that I can contribute to this subverse. Thanks!
Silverlining ago
If your information is important, you should have posted it somewhere by now - where and what is it?
Silverlining ago
Just checked you profile zero CCP https://voat.co/user/sodpoodlebb
Consider posting your info as a comment here and see if you get some CCP https://voat.co/v/CalmBeforeTheStorm/2724063 and here https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2723923 Then when you have your CCP - is it 5, 10? make a Submission Post.
It gets better... Very frustrating at first - your voat will soon float!
Silverlining ago
I need CCP on this sub in order to downvoat - consider upvoating this comment and the one above - and I'll scratch your back if I see you over on the other boards There is also https://voat.co/v/PatriotsSoapbox/2715872#submissionTop @sodpoodlebb
kneo24 ago
@rainy-day-dream
Here's an older goat trying to pretend that upvoat farming is okay.
Silverlining ago
Why wouldn't it be? If you are going to let someone impose their arbitrary rules on you this Sleeping Beauty ain't going to get woke...
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
https://voat.co/v/announcements/1639027
kneo24 ago
Uh, as someone who has been here 1.6 years, you should know we heavily despise someone asking for upvoats.
Secondly, if you had paid any attention to what was going on, or even read the temporary sticky Putt made, you would know that the CCP gained here does absolutely nothing for anyone, anywhere.
Silverlining ago
I respectfully disagree. Groupthink not my strong point! I do my best to help newcomers with their upvoats - I well remember the frustration of not having upvoats when I started out. You take the high road and I'll take the low...
FreeHillbilly ago
I upvoted you. CCP = comment contribution points, SCP = submission contribution points. Just realize voting in this sub only counts for this sub, which is all you probably care about, but you won't earn CCP/SCP in this sub.
The reason for the vitriol you see here is basically this:
If this sub did not have custom CCP rules, you would still need 10 CCP to post and 100 CCP to downvote. The 10 is not the issue. The 100 is. I'm not sure what the down voting rule in this sub is - it appears to me that you can't down vote, or at least down votes don't count against CCP. I think that's what pisses them off. I just notice that ALL of my down votes (and -CCP) have come from the other "open" sub. I had 15 or 16 CCP after a day there, then when I started asking questions and suggesting that maybe we could all get along, got down voted and kept down - now I can't post anywhere.
Since you are new, you will be waiting a very long time to see that 100. You would be subject the mob censoring you by virtue of down voting you. Every down vote decreases your CCP.
So if the veteran users, with hundreds of CCP don't like you, for whatever reason, you'll never be able to down vote and quite possibly ever make a post... unless they approve. They call this "free speech" lol.
By making custom rules for this sub, the users here are protected from the mob censorship of veteran users. Down voting does not effect CCP. They don't like that. Odd, since they say they hate censorship.
When I first came to Voat, I thought the voting system was for popularity, not censorship by the mob. This voting system sucks. But it is what it is so we live with it and go on.
See SB2's experience: https://www.reddit.com/user/SerialBrain2/comments/9gdji5/assessing_the_voat_stop_lets_talk_about_the_exodus/
I had the same experience on a much smaller scale - I can't make posts now, since evidently I pissed off some old goats. No big deal, I'll just lurk and comment as I see fit.
My advice, if you want to make new posts, go over to v/greatawakening and start commenting - be sensible, don't rock the boat, you'll be upvoted past 10 CCP in a day or 2.
The problem I had was going up against the nay sayers here - they didn't like the challenge so down I went. You'll probably be ok if you just stick to Q posting and don't respond to their trolling - which is the mistake I made.
Oh and the Block button is nice - click on the user name you don't like, hit the Block button. Done.
At any rate, welcome!
Silverlining ago
Disgraceful what they did to @SerialBrain2 Censorship at its finest!!
wooqy ago
You will need to explore before you can post, because this sub was set to private and no amount of upvoat will get you anywhere. They don't count in voat world. v/introductions is the greeting area, v/GreatAwakening is the already existing sub, there's also v/pizzagate and v/pizzagatewhatever.
Mumbleberry ago
You fags never learn.
GoogleStoleMyBike ago
All CCP (Comment Contribution Points) earned in this sub are null and void due to the restrictive settings your moderators have placed on this subverse. You can read about this in further detail here. Why your mods made such a decision is up for you to decide. To actually gain CCP, you must venture outside of this sub and make comments on other posts. I highly suggest making comments that actually engage in the post you're commenting on, instead of just begging for upvoats.
Rocks860 ago
Fuck it! Let the tales grow with the wheat they will be known by their fruits. Just ignore them and the cream will rise to the top. Use your best judgment on who is real and who is not it will work out.