I wrote and explained it all at v/voatdev. They said there was a bug and they were letting @PuttItOut know. We need to calm down. Arguing isn’t going to make it better. They were helpful.
I honestly don’t think it’s because voat is being shady. I’ve been wondering if certain louder people are being shadow banned or something. Not thru voat, but whoever is trying to shut us up. The ones I’ve noticed this happening to so far are the loudest voices. Ones that post often. I haven’t verified that, but it crossed my mind.
@Vindicator is into Q and has been really supportive. I’ve had no trouble with the [O]’s since I started this sub. I think it’s just a bug or outside of voat. Instead of getting worked up, let’s calm down and let them figure it out. I’m frustrated too.
Just so everyone is aware of what’s going on I’m pinging you guys too. @Kevdude@Crensch
Seems true, after my last post when I had 5 UVs and 5 DVs I made an edit and then... nothing. More comments and ups and downs in them but the OP seems to be frozen. @peaceseeker, do you know anything about this?
@Oh_Well_Ian are you just ignoring the fact that I stickied a link on the front page of v/pizzagate to @srayzie's detailed, evidence-based thread on these problems in v/voatdev? It's like you are trying to take advantage of this situation to stir up distrust and smear mods. WTF?
That is my opinion and I was 100% right about mother fucker Millennial Falcon being a total douche and working against the PG investigation. Mods earned a reputation around here, so deal with it. When multiple people ping you, don't take 36 hours to get back to them. End of story, don't make this about me, dude, perform your duties.
This fucking site was down all fucking day when QAnon is calling out Merkel as the daughter of Hitler and you fags are like.. 'oh gee... servers !!'
don't fuck with me Vindicator... I'm sick of this shit.
When multiple people ping you, don't take 36 hours to get back to them. End of story, don't make this about me, dude, perform your duties.
There are only 2-3 people running PG, the rest are alts in case shit like Millenial happens. They are shitty at their job but their methods abuse the Voat infrastructure so they are effective and can just blame it on rogue mods when it happens to be one of their alts.
The whole Subverse is tainted and needs to migrate, and make sure people who are trusted investigators/YouTubers are mods and no one else.
I've never seen any of those users before, hopefully they look into what I am saying and realize they are being led down a false path by letting shills run /v/Pizzagate, like you.
LOL. Are you afraid they will read the whole thread and see how badly you got your ass handed to you? I am quite sure that pizzagate researchers will see right through you (((fresh meat))).
Damn....to think of all the bonus points I left on the table.
I'll bring this up at the morning staff meeting ; )
I'm not a mod, I'm a janitor. I have seen nothing to indicate there is any hinky business going on. I'll raise the issue.
In the interim @Oh_well_ian, do you have some documentation or something to indicate how you know this is happening? It sounds more like a "programming" glitch versus something nefarious.
They have made changes and got new mods. That’s what we asked for. I think we should give them a chance, I’ve seen improvement. When we complain and beg for changes and we finally get what we asked for, we should be more thankful. I’m tripping out on how I’ve seen people act. I’m not just directing this at you.
This is honestly not an easy job. New mods shouldn’t be judged before they’ve even had a chance. 3 pizzagate mods are regulars in this sub.
I appreciate what you do for PG but I'm 3 years ahead of you on who your "mods" are and why any of that replacement even occurred. See my comment here
No apologies for the vitriol. These mother fuckers take over every grassroots movement on social media, including an example in that comment i linked. Pizzagate is the one that blows all their shit wide open, and scares them the most, so they are going to be damn sure they are the gate keepers. There is no genuine PG sub on this website that gets visibility, and it's intentional. Everything is controlled in the current /v/Pizzagate, more than any other subverse on this "free-speech" website.
You need to wake up, you are dealing with the most purest form of evil. The Devil himself.
What I’m saying is that there are new mods. 3 of the new ones come here and follow Q.
4 pizzagate mods all together come here and take part. They deserve a chance to prove themselves. Especially with all the changes.
The combination of alcohol, cocaine, and marijuana found in his system were contributing factors. The conclusion of the report stated: "The effects of the drugs and alcohol, combined with the subject's heart condition, probably precipitated a cardiac arrhythmia, and the subject, incapacitated in the water, was unable to save himself."[69][70] Rev. Al Sharpton delivered the eulogy at King's funeral.
I wouldn't be surprised if RK took a beating for the early DS and MK'd out in the pool.
Did you read this post? This is exactly what happened here, the fact you need to ping up back up just proves you are either a) oblivious to where you are or b) part of the shill problem. Think long and hard about what I'm saying.
All of those mods are irrelevant and could be anybody pretending to be non-biased towards pizzagate, meanwhile its the most censored subverse on this platform. Anyone who is objective has known this since reddit migrated PG here and had it controlled by /v/ProtectVoat
I pinged the others because I’m not talking about people behind their backs. I am aware and have argued with everyone on the pizzagate sub myself in the past. I am not oblivious and am not a shill. But I am mature enough to see that there has been improvements. I am grateful. They delivered.
The ones that are mods now, were fellow pizzagaters that were asking for change as well. They got rid of MF. Pizzagaters stepped up to the plate. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to because of this very reason. They are now being blamed. Some people have to always blame someone.
All this drama was totally unnecessary. This is being blown out of proportion. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a shill.
But I am mature enough to see that there has been improvements. I am grateful. They delivered.
The mods and platform itself is flawed, you will have zero success here.
The ones that are mods now, were fellow pizzagaters that were asking for change as well. They got rid of MF. Pizzagaters stepped up to the plate. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to because of this very reason. They are now being blamed. Some people have to always blame someone.
it's still owned by shills and it's why you are too afraid to even speak up to the possibility of me being right. They have got you scared to speak up. As intended.
All this drama was totally unnecessary. This is being blown out of proportion. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a shill.
It's extremely serious. Pedophiles are in control of the investigation into pedophiles. Even if you don't believe me, just consider it a possibility. How fuckin dumb would you feel?
I’m not scared to speak up. Omg you must not be familiar with me. I’d go full on bitch in pizzagate when I felt what they were doing was wrong. Who would I be scared of? I don’t have anyone over me telling me how to do anything. I’ve never even talked to @Putt. I’ve been free to run this sub how I’ve wanted.
There’s been some bug for a day or 2 and people get all flipped out. The only one I’ve dealt with is @Vindicator. If I needed to know how to do something, he would tell me. He even directs people that follow Q here.
This sub has succeeded and it’s growing. What would you suggest? I just give up? I want these fuckers to go down too. So I’m not giving up. I try to be an encouragement to you guys because we should be in this fight together. We need to support each other. Q said they want us divided. This attitude isn’t helping anyone. We need to go support our president and help in this fight. That’s the only way we can help turn this country around. It’s the only way to bring them bastards to their knees. That’s what we should be concerned about right now.
I support you 100% i just want you to know to not trust the moderation team in the current PG subverse. There is a plethora of evidence of why you shouldn't trust them and they will go out of their way to libel and slander anyone who calls them out. You should see the pings i get daily. I promise if you spoke about how PV/SBBH controls /v/Pizzagate you would get attacked for it. I'm happy you responded to me so in the morning I will PM you a brief message with a few examples of what I'm tlaking about. I'm genuinely looking out for everyone who wants justice for what's going on. It's all part of the same cabal, Voat included. 8ch is also compromised working with reddit admins, but I figure you have already found that out by now.
Whether the board is compromised or not I dunno but this mod srayzie is far from being shy about speaking up, I've seen it many times lol! Probably exercises a lot of restraint in fact.
I left PG right when @srayzie set up this sub, after months of frustration and much work being deleted. I proliferate v/politics and v/news with Q intel. I'm outnumbered, but I don't give a fuck.
I don't like all of this name calling "you are a shill" stuff so I will just give you a personal experience about an interaction that I had with crensch. I had run across some PG related stuff, but it was somewhat toxic and I was seriously worried about sharing it in pizzagate, it was the type of thing which might have gotten back to me. That was back when that fucker millenium dickwad was a mod so I looked at the sidebar and looked to see who the owner was.
I sent a message to crensch (who I had really never interacted with before) and explained that I thought that the mods of his sub might be compromised and if it would be possible for me to send it to him and then he could review it and then post it, he said no and that he had nothing really to do with pizzagate even if he was the owner of the sub. He really seemed to have just handed it over and left the cancer mods to do whatever.
In my opinion crensch set up the sub and installed a mod or two and then just stepped out and let it run on it's own, whether that is a good or bad thing you can make up your own mind about but while it might have been negligent it was not malicious. Pizzagate is what it is, it does do good work and yes, the mods are fucking pricks.
This freshmeat guy on the other hand is a whole different story, I would guess that you also spend time on the chans and run across these MM and JDL types as often as I do, this asshole checks all of the boxes.
in before "he's a SBBH mod hurr durr!" they offered and I accepted but I have really never posted with them. I just think those guys are fun but I don't take that shit seriously, even if gabara is a kaiju.
literally what you just described in your own comment (4 chan shill posting). And your whole sob-story about the cancerous Reddit PG mods from PV ended with you just accepting that the mods are bad instead of stating the obvious; it's been taken over by actual shills and they need to be removed or a migration needs to occur to a subverse out of their realm of reach.
I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but you sodomites take that as a compliment. I got your number mother fucker don't think you control any narratives around here. Truth will always prevail, even over your shitty brigaded posts.
What's the first rule of the internet? Don't feed the trolls. You will never hear from me again.
As a Parthian shot though I will mention that you type WAY too fast to be a cowboy. You are a known shill and will be shunned here at Voat you fucking kike.
You are the troll and the bought and paid for account. Using pajeets to boost you while you come in here to spread lies without even pinging me. It's clear to anyone watching this who is the fuckin shill. Anyone is free to check /v/realProtectVoat to see my perspective of what you shills are doing to this site.
As a Parthian shot though I will mention that you type WAY too fast to be a cowboy.
What made you think rednecks are stupid? Kike media?
You are a known shill and will be shunned here at Voat you fucking kike.
Amen. We just need to expose them because we know who they are on Voat but the admins won't do anything about the. They aren't just faggots, they are paid shills meant to control the narrative with PG and the rest of the site.
Pizzagate community is too nice. They should get more pissed off since a power grab from PV took over the sub on Voat. I've seen legitimate posts get removed to protect pedophiles who aren't celebrities in Hollywood.
I haven't found the comment in question, but here is an example of what happens when I handed everyone a whole vote farming sub of all the shills that were spamming up v/pizzagate at the time. Keep in mind that this was around the time that 2 contributing users, DarkMath and 2impendingdoom, were banned for "spam". I'm sure @Putitout wouldn't condone this bullshit.
Thanks for the link PuppetShow. First, mods can't ban people unless they break a subverse or Voatwide rule. Knowing an account is shilly doesn't mean we can ban it, although Falcon did do that on occasion when the sub was being flooded with shitposts that were being commented on by likely sockpuppets to get them higher on "Hot" view.
Second, I unbanned 2ImpendingDoom as soon as I was made aware that had happened. In the case of DarkMath, he became overly frustrated with the lack of public progress and blatant shilling and "blackpilled", posting multiple rule-breaking posts venting his spleen even though he knew better. He received brief warning ban and was unbanned within a day or two, and then started up again with posts we had to remove. He didn't give us much of a choice but to ban him. I have missed him ever since.
It was more their reaction with the "lulz" that made me and many others feel like these were SBBH alts. Kevdude did admit that crensch "stopped" SBBH from blowing up pizzagate, so it's not that crazy of an idea. I get that banning isn't really free speech, but when you have a bunch of alts that are doing nothing but vote farming in one sub and spamming up v/pizzagate, I'm pretty sure that breaks some Voat rules and nothing was done. It's curious.
You unbanning @2impendingdoom is appreciated, but unfortunately all this bullshit seems to have put him/her off too, not around much anymore. @DarkMath was obviously burnt out, we even had discussions about it. But, permanently banning someone who put a lot of work into this sub seems wrong when obvious shill accounts are aloud to contine to spam up the board and even vote farm.
I don't disagree with you, and I am totally willing to unban DarkMath if he hasn't been unbanned already, if he is willing to stay on topic in v/pizzagate.
when you have a bunch of alts that are doing nothing but vote farming in one sub and spamming up v/pizzagate, I'm pretty sure that breaks some Voat rules and nothing was done. It's curious.
I do my best to ban every alt that repeatedly breaks rules. Sometimes when they rotate accounts and wait weeks between shitposts, it's hard to realize they've exposed a demonstrable pattern. We have started a tracking thread in v/pizzagatemods to keep an eye on some of this behavior and let users know what the shills have been up to, since their posts usually get flushed out of sight. I am pretty sure Voat doesn't allow sites as large as ours to ban users for vote farming in other subs. It all comes down to a pattern of violating OUR subverse rules, or the Voat User Agreement. Helping mods document that goes a long way in combatting it, and you can do so in v/pizzagatemods, but most users don't want to reign shill wrath down on themselves.
I am totally willing to unban DarkMath if he hasn't been unbanned already, if he is willing to stay on topic
That's not what this is about, that should probably be a community vote or something. That's all I was really petitioning for back when that happened. If a long time contributing member is going to be banned, it should be the decision of the community.
I do my best to ban every alt that repeatedly breaks rules.
This isn't about you either. It was a little disappointing to be called a shill, but I'm not easily offended.
I am pretty sure Voat doesn't allow sites as large as ours to ban users for vote farming in other subs. It all comes down to a pattern of violating OUR subverse rules, or the Voat User Agreement.
That's what this is about.. I read a thread I believe @Putitout made (could have been @kevdude) and it was a giant argument about brigading. Vote farming was mentioned and Put was trying to stop it and banning subs if they were caught. I could be mixing up multiple threads. Anyways, I brought this incident to kevdude and Crensch, one of the owners of the sub, and was first ignored. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2042853/10080866
Then, when I decided to be a dick about to get their attention I was told to "eat a dick". https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2048810/10104430 So.. Guess who can eat a dick? I don't like fuckers like that. Especially some of the bullshit they spread, they sound like CTR right before the election when they were framing everyone as Nazi. Even Pewdiepie, the gamer, got caught up in their bullshit.
I hear what you're saying. But Voat farming is something that has to be taken up with Putt and the larger Voat community by posting in v/ProtectVoat or v/whatever. That is where Crensch himself posts this type of problem. Posting it here is off topic and ends up being forum sliding.
The problem is exacerbated by the fact that we regularly have people who are NOT benevolent making the same type of posts and/or comments. For current examples, see this thread or this one. This effectively makes legit users look like sleeper-shills. When Crensch (who doesn't read most threads here regularly because he was meant to oversee and rein in mods, not the subverse itself) comes in and sees that, if linked evidence of mod mishandling isn't presented, he concludes it's shit-stirring and Crensches them. Sometimes there is a friendly fire incident. Other times, the user just doesn't understand, or perhaps doesn't agree with the rules or the interpretation of them.
You can argue that someone as blunt and willing to be offensive as Crensch shouldn't be overseeing a subverse populated with many users who are child rape survivors and don't handle attacks well. But Crensch also took v/pizzagate in order to teach its users how to survive Voat's rugged culture, which revels in offensive speech and verbal warfare. He has made multiple attempts to do that. And his association has helped us with Voat-at-large. The general population was not thrilled when 14,000 folks from Reddit aghast at the horrors of Pizzagate and Spirit Cooking flooded their shitposting and debating enclave with expectations of gentle language and sensitivity to feelings. From all the shill BS I've seen, and all the conversations I've had with the original mods of r/pizzagate, Crensch, kevdude and other "old goats", I firmly believe this huge culture clash was deliberately triggered by ShareBlue -- first driving us here, and then instigating and manipulating conflict. To me, it's a credit to Pizzagate researchers' commitment to the kids, and old Voaters' commitment to resisting Brock's attacks that has allowed us to prevail. It's quite astounding, really. But it has taken things like the ruleset (which now all removals require Voatwide), mod oversight, and a firm response to attackers to achieve it. In the end, we really are on the same side; we just have to keep trying to work together.
Posting it here is off topic and ends up being forum sliding.
Both of those were comments, not posts and they'll brigade you and belittle you in the other 2 threads to keep you from doing it again. Same thing happens in pizzagatemods. We aren't in v/pizzagate btw.
You can argue that someone as blunt and willing to be offensive as Crensch shouldn't be overseeing a subverse populated with many users who are child rape survivors and don't handle attacks well.
I'm arguing incompetence for ignoring vote farming and blatant shilling as an owner/admin. I don't really care if he wants to act like a useful idiot. I'm just pointing it out because if Putt really wants to expand, like I read, he should think about re-evaluating his PR department and get some admin that give a shit about the whole site and not just their clique.
I firmly believe this huge culture clash was deliberately triggered by ShareBlue
Me too, I just think it goes a little deeper than you do.
In the end, we really are on the same side; we just have to keep trying to work together.
We might be, I just don't believe all parties of this discussion are. Not after everything I've seen over the past year+.
I'm pretty sure it was kevdude who admitted it when he was defending Crensch way back when. He claimed Crensch stopped it from happening. I thought this was known.
srayzie ago
I wrote and explained it all at v/voatdev. They said there was a bug and they were letting @PuttItOut know. We need to calm down. Arguing isn’t going to make it better. They were helpful.
I honestly don’t think it’s because voat is being shady. I’ve been wondering if certain louder people are being shadow banned or something. Not thru voat, but whoever is trying to shut us up. The ones I’ve noticed this happening to so far are the loudest voices. Ones that post often. I haven’t verified that, but it crossed my mind.
@Vindicator is into Q and has been really supportive. I’ve had no trouble with the [O]’s since I started this sub. I think it’s just a bug or outside of voat. Instead of getting worked up, let’s calm down and let them figure it out. I’m frustrated too.
Just so everyone is aware of what’s going on I’m pinging you guys too.
@Kevdude @Crensch
bdmthrfkr ago
Seems true, after my last post when I had 5 UVs and 5 DVs I made an edit and then... nothing. More comments and ups and downs in them but the OP seems to be frozen. @peaceseeker, do you know anything about this?
edit: that was in v/all
Vindicator ago
@Oh_Well_Ian are you just ignoring the fact that I stickied a link on the front page of v/pizzagate to @srayzie's detailed, evidence-based thread on these problems in v/voatdev? It's like you are trying to take advantage of this situation to stir up distrust and smear mods. WTF?
Oh_Well_ian ago
as you say... chill out...
That is my opinion and I was 100% right about mother fucker Millennial Falcon being a total douche and working against the PG investigation. Mods earned a reputation around here, so deal with it. When multiple people ping you, don't take 36 hours to get back to them. End of story, don't make this about me, dude, perform your duties.
This fucking site was down all fucking day when QAnon is calling out Merkel as the daughter of Hitler and you fags are like.. 'oh gee... servers !!'
don't fuck with me Vindicator... I'm sick of this shit.
Vindicator ago
Really? You find this "suspicious"? I'd say it is highly encouraging.
Oh_Well_ian ago
oh look... you parsed out a portion of my comment and offered some more snarky shit
Fuck you Vindicator... go the fuck back to Pizzagate, you fucking cancer.
freshmeat ago
There are only 2-3 people running PG, the rest are alts in case shit like Millenial happens. They are shitty at their job but their methods abuse the Voat infrastructure so they are effective and can just blame it on rogue mods when it happens to be one of their alts.
The whole Subverse is tainted and needs to migrate, and make sure people who are trusted investigators/YouTubers are mods and no one else.
Vindicator ago
@Honeybee_ @think- @Blacksmith21 @ben_matlock and @Eric_Kaliberhall as well as I have extensive user histories here on Voat, freshmeat, which I will put up against your negative, slanderous comment history any day of the week.
freshmeat ago
I've never seen any of those users before, hopefully they look into what I am saying and realize they are being led down a false path by letting shills run /v/Pizzagate, like you.
See my comment here for more info, lurkers: https://voat.co/v/voatdev/2444433/12168582
You have no argument unless you are clueless/useful idiot
Vindicator ago
LOL. Are you afraid they will read the whole thread and see how badly you got your ass handed to you? I am quite sure that pizzagate researchers will see right through you (((fresh meat))).
freshmeat ago
i honest to God people read what I have been saying. You guys have controlled people for too long in PG
Blacksmith21 ago
Damn....to think of all the bonus points I left on the table.
I'll bring this up at the morning staff meeting ; )
I'm not a mod, I'm a janitor. I have seen nothing to indicate there is any hinky business going on. I'll raise the issue.
In the interim @Oh_well_ian, do you have some documentation or something to indicate how you know this is happening? It sounds more like a "programming" glitch versus something nefarious.
Weyland ago
https://voat.co/v/voatdev/2442909
specifically https://voat.co/v/voatdev/2442909/12160392
TrishaUK ago
I edit every time! I have stupid dyslexia, which means it is usually guaranteed I a mistake I need to fix, even after proof reading before hand! 🙄😜
Oh_Well_ian ago
yeah... put in a post. wait 20 minutes. edit it.
confirm it for yourself.
btw... fuck the mods on this site... fuck them all.
SarMegahhikkitha ago
It seems to also disappear from the front page, no matter how many votes it has.
freshmeat ago
Crensch is controlled opposition and so are the rest of the mods. Pizzagate should honestly migrate here.
They dont want Pizzagate to gain traction specifically because it's a hot topic
srayzie ago
They have made changes and got new mods. That’s what we asked for. I think we should give them a chance, I’ve seen improvement. When we complain and beg for changes and we finally get what we asked for, we should be more thankful. I’m tripping out on how I’ve seen people act. I’m not just directing this at you.
This is honestly not an easy job. New mods shouldn’t be judged before they’ve even had a chance. 3 pizzagate mods are regulars in this sub.
freshmeat ago
I appreciate what you do for PG but I'm 3 years ahead of you on who your "mods" are and why any of that replacement even occurred. See my comment here
No apologies for the vitriol. These mother fuckers take over every grassroots movement on social media, including an example in that comment i linked. Pizzagate is the one that blows all their shit wide open, and scares them the most, so they are going to be damn sure they are the gate keepers. There is no genuine PG sub on this website that gets visibility, and it's intentional. Everything is controlled in the current /v/Pizzagate, more than any other subverse on this "free-speech" website.
You need to wake up, you are dealing with the most purest form of evil. The Devil himself.
srayzie ago
What I’m saying is that there are new mods. 3 of the new ones come here and follow Q. 4 pizzagate mods all together come here and take part. They deserve a chance to prove themselves. Especially with all the changes.
@Blacksmith21 @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @Vindicator all come here.
Blacksmith21 ago
"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King
Cause of death:
The combination of alcohol, cocaine, and marijuana found in his system were contributing factors. The conclusion of the report stated: "The effects of the drugs and alcohol, combined with the subject's heart condition, probably precipitated a cardiac arrhythmia, and the subject, incapacitated in the water, was unable to save himself."[69][70] Rev. Al Sharpton delivered the eulogy at King's funeral.
I wouldn't be surprised if RK took a beating for the early DS and MK'd out in the pool.
freshmeat ago
https://voat.co/v/ThePedes/1869225
Did you read this post? This is exactly what happened here, the fact you need to ping up back up just proves you are either a) oblivious to where you are or b) part of the shill problem. Think long and hard about what I'm saying.
All of those mods are irrelevant and could be anybody pretending to be non-biased towards pizzagate, meanwhile its the most censored subverse on this platform. Anyone who is objective has known this since reddit migrated PG here and had it controlled by /v/ProtectVoat
srayzie ago
I pinged the others because I’m not talking about people behind their backs. I am aware and have argued with everyone on the pizzagate sub myself in the past. I am not oblivious and am not a shill. But I am mature enough to see that there has been improvements. I am grateful. They delivered.
The ones that are mods now, were fellow pizzagaters that were asking for change as well. They got rid of MF. Pizzagaters stepped up to the plate. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to because of this very reason. They are now being blamed. Some people have to always blame someone.
All this drama was totally unnecessary. This is being blown out of proportion. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a shill.
freshmeat ago
The mods and platform itself is flawed, you will have zero success here.
it's still owned by shills and it's why you are too afraid to even speak up to the possibility of me being right. They have got you scared to speak up. As intended.
It's extremely serious. Pedophiles are in control of the investigation into pedophiles. Even if you don't believe me, just consider it a possibility. How fuckin dumb would you feel?
think- ago
....says the guy who is into underage males raping animals.
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2380637
....and who doesn't like it that the pizzagate mods will delete child porn and report it to Law Enforcement.
@srayzie
freshmeat ago
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2380637/11839616
debunked.
srayzie ago
I’m not scared to speak up. Omg you must not be familiar with me. I’d go full on bitch in pizzagate when I felt what they were doing was wrong. Who would I be scared of? I don’t have anyone over me telling me how to do anything. I’ve never even talked to @Putt. I’ve been free to run this sub how I’ve wanted.
There’s been some bug for a day or 2 and people get all flipped out. The only one I’ve dealt with is @Vindicator. If I needed to know how to do something, he would tell me. He even directs people that follow Q here.
This sub has succeeded and it’s growing. What would you suggest? I just give up? I want these fuckers to go down too. So I’m not giving up. I try to be an encouragement to you guys because we should be in this fight together. We need to support each other. Q said they want us divided. This attitude isn’t helping anyone. We need to go support our president and help in this fight. That’s the only way we can help turn this country around. It’s the only way to bring them bastards to their knees. That’s what we should be concerned about right now.
freshmeat ago
I support you 100% i just want you to know to not trust the moderation team in the current PG subverse. There is a plethora of evidence of why you shouldn't trust them and they will go out of their way to libel and slander anyone who calls them out. You should see the pings i get daily. I promise if you spoke about how PV/SBBH controls /v/Pizzagate you would get attacked for it. I'm happy you responded to me so in the morning I will PM you a brief message with a few examples of what I'm tlaking about. I'm genuinely looking out for everyone who wants justice for what's going on. It's all part of the same cabal, Voat included. 8ch is also compromised working with reddit admins, but I figure you have already found that out by now.
💚
srayzie ago
Thank you ❤️
bopper ago
@srayzie
Whether the board is compromised or not I dunno but this mod srayzie is far from being shy about speaking up, I've seen it many times lol! Probably exercises a lot of restraint in fact.
srayzie ago
You’ve seen me at my worst 😂
bopper ago
Yes, NOT a pretty picture, THAT I can tell you! Pity the faggot that crosses Srayzie! Lol.
srayzie ago
🤣 A lot of lurkers here would trip out on my mean side lol.
bopper ago
🙌🏻
bopper ago
I know bro.
Oh_Well_ian ago
I left PG right when @srayzie set up this sub, after months of frustration and much work being deleted. I proliferate v/politics and v/news with Q intel. I'm outnumbered, but I don't give a fuck.
These faggots are going down.
bdmthrfkr ago
I don't like all of this name calling "you are a shill" stuff so I will just give you a personal experience about an interaction that I had with crensch. I had run across some PG related stuff, but it was somewhat toxic and I was seriously worried about sharing it in pizzagate, it was the type of thing which might have gotten back to me. That was back when that fucker millenium dickwad was a mod so I looked at the sidebar and looked to see who the owner was.
I sent a message to crensch (who I had really never interacted with before) and explained that I thought that the mods of his sub might be compromised and if it would be possible for me to send it to him and then he could review it and then post it, he said no and that he had nothing really to do with pizzagate even if he was the owner of the sub. He really seemed to have just handed it over and left the cancer mods to do whatever.
In my opinion crensch set up the sub and installed a mod or two and then just stepped out and let it run on it's own, whether that is a good or bad thing you can make up your own mind about but while it might have been negligent it was not malicious. Pizzagate is what it is, it does do good work and yes, the mods are fucking pricks.
This freshmeat guy on the other hand is a whole different story, I would guess that you also spend time on the chans and run across these MM and JDL types as often as I do, this asshole checks all of the boxes.
in before "he's a SBBH mod hurr durr!" they offered and I accepted but I have really never posted with them. I just think those guys are fun but I don't take that shit seriously, even if gabara is a kaiju.
think- ago
Thanks dude, it's great to see how much you appreciate our work.
freshmeat ago
Lol. That's funny we were just talking about you and Tendies shill accounts.
Thanks for confirming it openly.
bdmthrfkr ago
pic related: https://kek.gg/i/4h2rHn.jpeg
freshmeat ago
literally what you just described in your own comment (4 chan shill posting). And your whole sob-story about the cancerous Reddit PG mods from PV ended with you just accepting that the mods are bad instead of stating the obvious; it's been taken over by actual shills and they need to be removed or a migration needs to occur to a subverse out of their realm of reach.
I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but you sodomites take that as a compliment. I got your number mother fucker don't think you control any narratives around here. Truth will always prevail, even over your shitty brigaded posts.
bdmthrfkr ago
What's the first rule of the internet? Don't feed the trolls. You will never hear from me again.
As a Parthian shot though I will mention that you type WAY too fast to be a cowboy. You are a known shill and will be shunned here at Voat you fucking kike.
freshmeat ago
You are the troll and the bought and paid for account. Using pajeets to boost you while you come in here to spread lies without even pinging me. It's clear to anyone watching this who is the fuckin shill. Anyone is free to check /v/realProtectVoat to see my perspective of what you shills are doing to this site.
What made you think rednecks are stupid? Kike media?
https://youtu.be/1zNdw4DaUM8
freshmeat ago
Amen. We just need to expose them because we know who they are on Voat but the admins won't do anything about the. They aren't just faggots, they are paid shills meant to control the narrative with PG and the rest of the site.
Pizzagate community is too nice. They should get more pissed off since a power grab from PV took over the sub on Voat. I've seen legitimate posts get removed to protect pedophiles who aren't celebrities in Hollywood.
think- ago
.....says the guy who is into underage males raping donkeys:
https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/2380637
fuspezza ago
Thanks for letting us know
ThePuppetShow ago
Good work figuring that shit out. This has to be site wide.. Maybe @kevdude will have some answers.
freshmeat ago
Kev wont help you. Ask the admin directly @PuttItOut
ThePuppetShow ago
You're right.. I just like to agitate the SBBH crew ever since I found out that they had a plot to destroy v/pizzagate.
Vindicator ago
Evidence, please. I have seen no such plot.
ThePuppetShow ago
I haven't found the comment in question, but here is an example of what happens when I handed everyone a whole vote farming sub of all the shills that were spamming up v/pizzagate at the time. Keep in mind that this was around the time that 2 contributing users, DarkMath and 2impendingdoom, were banned for "spam". I'm sure @Putitout wouldn't condone this bullshit.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2048810/10104430
Vindicator ago
Thanks for the link PuppetShow. First, mods can't ban people unless they break a subverse or Voatwide rule. Knowing an account is shilly doesn't mean we can ban it, although Falcon did do that on occasion when the sub was being flooded with shitposts that were being commented on by likely sockpuppets to get them higher on "Hot" view.
Second, I unbanned 2ImpendingDoom as soon as I was made aware that had happened. In the case of DarkMath, he became overly frustrated with the lack of public progress and blatant shilling and "blackpilled", posting multiple rule-breaking posts venting his spleen even though he knew better. He received brief warning ban and was unbanned within a day or two, and then started up again with posts we had to remove. He didn't give us much of a choice but to ban him. I have missed him ever since.
ThePuppetShow ago
It was more their reaction with the "lulz" that made me and many others feel like these were SBBH alts. Kevdude did admit that crensch "stopped" SBBH from blowing up pizzagate, so it's not that crazy of an idea. I get that banning isn't really free speech, but when you have a bunch of alts that are doing nothing but vote farming in one sub and spamming up v/pizzagate, I'm pretty sure that breaks some Voat rules and nothing was done. It's curious.
You unbanning @2impendingdoom is appreciated, but unfortunately all this bullshit seems to have put him/her off too, not around much anymore. @DarkMath was obviously burnt out, we even had discussions about it. But, permanently banning someone who put a lot of work into this sub seems wrong when obvious shill accounts are aloud to contine to spam up the board and even vote farm.
Just my 2¢
Vindicator ago
I don't disagree with you, and I am totally willing to unban DarkMath if he hasn't been unbanned already, if he is willing to stay on topic in v/pizzagate.
I do my best to ban every alt that repeatedly breaks rules. Sometimes when they rotate accounts and wait weeks between shitposts, it's hard to realize they've exposed a demonstrable pattern. We have started a tracking thread in v/pizzagatemods to keep an eye on some of this behavior and let users know what the shills have been up to, since their posts usually get flushed out of sight. I am pretty sure Voat doesn't allow sites as large as ours to ban users for vote farming in other subs. It all comes down to a pattern of violating OUR subverse rules, or the Voat User Agreement. Helping mods document that goes a long way in combatting it, and you can do so in v/pizzagatemods, but most users don't want to reign shill wrath down on themselves.
ThePuppetShow ago
That's not what this is about, that should probably be a community vote or something. That's all I was really petitioning for back when that happened. If a long time contributing member is going to be banned, it should be the decision of the community.
This isn't about you either. It was a little disappointing to be called a shill, but I'm not easily offended.
That's what this is about.. I read a thread I believe @Putitout made (could have been @kevdude) and it was a giant argument about brigading. Vote farming was mentioned and Put was trying to stop it and banning subs if they were caught. I could be mixing up multiple threads. Anyways, I brought this incident to kevdude and Crensch, one of the owners of the sub, and was first ignored. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2042853/10080866
Then, when I decided to be a dick about to get their attention I was told to "eat a dick". https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2048810/10104430 So.. Guess who can eat a dick? I don't like fuckers like that. Especially some of the bullshit they spread, they sound like CTR right before the election when they were framing everyone as Nazi. Even Pewdiepie, the gamer, got caught up in their bullshit.
Vindicator ago
I hear what you're saying. But Voat farming is something that has to be taken up with Putt and the larger Voat community by posting in v/ProtectVoat or v/whatever. That is where Crensch himself posts this type of problem. Posting it here is off topic and ends up being forum sliding.
The problem is exacerbated by the fact that we regularly have people who are NOT benevolent making the same type of posts and/or comments. For current examples, see this thread or this one. This effectively makes legit users look like sleeper-shills. When Crensch (who doesn't read most threads here regularly because he was meant to oversee and rein in mods, not the subverse itself) comes in and sees that, if linked evidence of mod mishandling isn't presented, he concludes it's shit-stirring and Crensches them. Sometimes there is a friendly fire incident. Other times, the user just doesn't understand, or perhaps doesn't agree with the rules or the interpretation of them.
You can argue that someone as blunt and willing to be offensive as Crensch shouldn't be overseeing a subverse populated with many users who are child rape survivors and don't handle attacks well. But Crensch also took v/pizzagate in order to teach its users how to survive Voat's rugged culture, which revels in offensive speech and verbal warfare. He has made multiple attempts to do that. And his association has helped us with Voat-at-large. The general population was not thrilled when 14,000 folks from Reddit aghast at the horrors of Pizzagate and Spirit Cooking flooded their shitposting and debating enclave with expectations of gentle language and sensitivity to feelings. From all the shill BS I've seen, and all the conversations I've had with the original mods of r/pizzagate, Crensch, kevdude and other "old goats", I firmly believe this huge culture clash was deliberately triggered by ShareBlue -- first driving us here, and then instigating and manipulating conflict. To me, it's a credit to Pizzagate researchers' commitment to the kids, and old Voaters' commitment to resisting Brock's attacks that has allowed us to prevail. It's quite astounding, really. But it has taken things like the ruleset (which now all removals require Voatwide), mod oversight, and a firm response to attackers to achieve it. In the end, we really are on the same side; we just have to keep trying to work together.
ThePuppetShow ago
Both of those were comments, not posts and they'll brigade you and belittle you in the other 2 threads to keep you from doing it again. Same thing happens in pizzagatemods. We aren't in v/pizzagate btw.
I'm arguing incompetence for ignoring vote farming and blatant shilling as an owner/admin. I don't really care if he wants to act like a useful idiot. I'm just pointing it out because if Putt really wants to expand, like I read, he should think about re-evaluating his PR department and get some admin that give a shit about the whole site and not just their clique.
Me too, I just think it goes a little deeper than you do.
We might be, I just don't believe all parties of this discussion are. Not after everything I've seen over the past year+.
ThePuppetShow ago
Think I mispelled @Puttitout and I want to make sure @Crensch doesn't feel left out. I edited him in and I'm not sure if that works.
ThePuppetShow ago
I'm pretty sure it was kevdude who admitted it when he was defending Crensch way back when. He claimed Crensch stopped it from happening. I thought this was known.
freshmeat ago
You guys hide in IRC
Vindicator ago
What is IRC?
Drain0 ago
Internet Relay Chat
Vindicator ago
Thanks. I am not much of a techie.
Drain0 ago
Me either, but I fake it well enough to get paid the big bucks.
freshmeat ago
heh.
rapedbyanape ago
Oh HELL no modafuka