No one ever said Dahmer was "involved". They thought it was pretty sick that Podesta would put a sculpture in his livingroom that was in the same pose as a perverted serial killer cannibal.
Problem is the sculpture and the pose has nothing to do with Dahmer. It's a completely false assertion. But yet you get to claim it's sick relying 100% on the false relationship to a perverted serial killer cannibal. A relationship that only exists in the POL world, not a relationship that the artist had in mine or a relationship that would have occurred to anyone outside of a witch Hunt. I have some passing familiarity with the Dahmer case and always seemed to me to be a ridiculous claim because the poses are dissimilar
It's just amazing to how that became an agreed-upon fact when it was a completely unsupported claim. No rationalism, no skepticism applied at all, a wild claim immediately accepted as true.
For folks just joining us the Dahmer connection is debunked.
We know the artist's inspiration. We know the artist was working and doing sketches way before Dahmer was known. And this photo was not shown at his trial. The first time this photo was seen outside law enforcement seems to be in a textbook on homicide that came out years after the sculpture.
The Dahmer photo is real. The sculpture is real. Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real. Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest. It's exactly what the NYT and WaPo continuously do by claiming that pizzagate is about Hillary molesting kids in the basement of Comet Ping Pong. We never claimed that. If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real.
Agreed.
Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
WTF? This leads to crazytown. Artist decides to paint scene from the Bible. Serial Killer crucifies his victim. No difference right? They were inspired by the same source weren't they? I mean one is a painting and one is murder, that might be a difference, but otherwise they are exactly the same otherwise.
This also ignores the fact that people can and do make great art out of horrific things. The Illiad, Oedipus Rex. Othello, the Pieta, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs, etc. And it does not make the people who appreciate that art horrible. You can also make lousy are out of horrific things as well.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest.
Dishonest? Are you high? This is from the an executive summary of pizzagate on this very board, a FULLY SOURCED executive summary
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
Alefantis also posted a picture of Tony Podesta’s sculpture modeled after a Dahmer victim
This is claimed as a FACT which is how I encountered many, many times on VOAT. And the old /pol thread seems to be the source of this claim. Some anonymous person makes and claim and within minutes it's a fact.
If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
No, it's because the origins of pizzagate make no sense whatsoever to an outsider and you can't easily sum them up in a few sentences in a news article. The incoherence begins with the dishonest use of Podesta's emails.
I am doing a cross-subverse sticky of this thread to v/pizzagate, so folks there can check it out, and also to raise awareness about your archive subverse, here, @think-. There's a lot of interesting stuff that's accumulated in the comments.
I am doing a cross-subverse sticky of this thread to v/pizzagate, so folks there can check it out, and also to raise awareness about your archive subverse, here, @think-.
Biljana Djurdjevic (Belgrade, 1973), painter She completed her painting department at the Faculty of Fine Arts in Belgrade in 1997, in the class of Professor Cedomir Vasic, she completed her master's studies with the same professor in 2000.
The first annual exhibition by the Soros Center for Contemporary Arts was held in October 1995 at two alternative venues in Belgrade: the Veljkovic Pavilion and Cinema Rex.
Themes For Big Cities consisted of two exhibitions: Branko Pavic was the only one exhibiting in the Pancevo gallery. He exhibited large format graphics in wood, combined wood cutting and photography and hand-made paper. The second part of the project was in Cinema Rex by several artists. It included three large graphics made for the exhibition (Branko Pavic) with art college professor Cedomir Vasic, the SKART group - Dragan Protic and Djordje Balmazovic (designers) and Ivan Kucina (architect) called in to help.
The work with graduate students of art at the Department of Multimedia
Arts – young artists whose primary education belongs to various areas of art
– was for me a great challenge...I am nonetheless concerned primarily
with the sonic layer of multimedia projects, sharing the responsibility for their
overall content with Professor Čedomir Vasić..
Together with my
vice-deans Zoran Erić, Fern Rašković, later Zorica Dimitrijević-Stošić, I managed, especially after the signing of the Dayton Accords and loosening of the
sanctions, to secure the most essential means for work, for artistic and scholarly
activities; we even managed to maintain modest international cooperation. We
were given occasional support by certain individuals from the establishment,
and after 1995 by the Soros Foundation.
This needs to be cross posted to v/pizzagate ASAP.
Those paintings of a woodlands area. If my deductions are correct, given the other Biltmore Estate paintings, then those woodlands are based off the woodlands around that estate.
Which means that Human Hunts are happening on that estate. This links the dogs in that painting I made a thread about. The one with the guys wearing butcher’s belts.
I fucking knew it. There really are a chain of sick depraved murders of children going on in that estate.
Those paintings of a woodlands area. If my deductions are correct, given the other Biltmore Estate paintings, then those woodlands are based off the woodlands around that estate.
Yes, I remember that it was mentioned (as speculation) in one of the posts about the Biltmore Estate.
Do we know of any connections of Tony / John Podesta and James Alefantis to the Vanderbilts? Gloria Vanderbilt and A. Cooper, her son?
Google Search of "Djurdjevic Dentist Society" happened to turn up this interesting deleted thread about pizzagate art: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1469392.
I think we'd better get more eyes in front of this. In fact, it ought to be cross posted in v/pizzagate, so future diggers can find it if they do a subverse-limited search. I could sticky it there from here, or we could repost it as a separate submission. There's tons of stuff here. What do you think is best?
Found this interesting. An anon pointed it out (about the sign above CPP's door):
its of course the Islamic sign as well. There are four of them, using the four points of the compass is an occult ritual. They usually open with blah blah in the East, blah blah in the north, ect ect. Then they close the ritual going the opposite direction.
So buy waking in you are declaring your entering under the 4 points of the compass (360) degrees, or the 4 seasons, Mother Goddess Spirit / Worldy Spirit.
So just walking into the doors of the place you are committing a occult ritual.
It had never occured to me that it might be important that the moon and the stars depicted four times might have a special meaning, i.e. might refer to the East, the West, the South, and the North.
Ok, so I looked into the Shriners a bit. One of their main missions is providing money for kids charities they run. You'd expect that this alone would draw many pedos.
Also: Until 20 years or so, they only accepted 32 degree (!!) Freemasons of the Scottish Rite (!!) as members.
Oh wow. Had no idea. Must have missed that. Would you maybe have some pics with examples - or even better ;-) - do a post about them and the Comet PP sign? That would be really awesome! :-) Thanks.
Comet Liquors was established by Oscar Gildenhorn in 1940. Washington Post obituary for Gildenhorn here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1991/12/10/cecil-hobbs-dies/227dff7d-bc79-48a4-9cf0-b66ae9e30eb1/?utm_term=.f1302f455aec Oscar Gildenhorn "served on the board of directors and the admissions committee of the Hebrew Home of Greater Washington. He was a member of the Benjamin Franklin Masonic Lodge, the Amity Club and Adas Israel Congregation in Washington." Oscar's son, Joseph B. Gildenhorn, was the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland from 1989-1993.
Partner, Brown, Gildenhorn & Jacobs, since 1955; vice chairman, District of Columbia National Sovran Bank, Washington, 1979-1989; ambassador to Switzerland, Department State, Bern, 1989-1993; partner, The JBG Companies. Adjunct Professor George Washington University, District of Columbia Bar Association. President JBG Properties, Inc., 1956-1988.
Chairman, Board Of Directors Franklin National Bank. Board directors Franklin BanCorp., Washington, The Mills Corporation.
The company owns 69 properties and has 10 additional properties under construction, all of which are in the Washington metropolitan area, mostly inside the Beltway, and almost all of which are accessible by the Washington Metro.
The company has a history of developing sustainable buildings and is a member of the U.S. Green Building Council. It helped develop the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program for the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of green buildings, homes, and neighborhoods.... The first investment fund closed in 2002, and its first institutional investor was the financial endowment of Yale University....
In July 2017, the company merged with Charles E. Smith Companies, a subsidiary of Vornado Realty Trust that owned its assets in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. The company changed its name to JBG Smith and was spun off into a public company.
In November 2018, the company sold land with 4.1 million developable square feet to Amazon and announced lease transactions with Amazon at National Landing as part of the Amazon HQ2 initiative.
The U.S. Green Building Council is committed to a sustainable, prosperous future through LEED, the leading program for green buildings and communities worldwide.
.. Tldr: Mollie's father, Robert Tibbetts, works at the architectural firm, HOK, that constructed William J Clinton's Children's Center in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, utilizing CF $$$. He sits on the board of the SF Chamber of Commerce and lists himself as the Marketing Principal of HOK.
HOK is USGBC's official design partner for "Project Haiti". The CF/HOK Children's Center & Orphanage is a "LEED, Platinum-certified orphanage, built by Clinton.
The headquarters of the 5G rollout is 666 5th Ave in New York City, whose 6th floor previously housed the Lucifer Publishing Company and Alcatel Lucent’s labs where they developed the Inferno OS. This building was bought out by Kushner in March 2018 with funding from Rothschild owned Vornado Realty. 666 5th Ave is at the center of a pentagram formed by Trump Tower, BlackRock Plaza, Rothschild NA, and two other buildings. I think JK and Trump have been cooperating to keep those two properties out of the direct control of the cabal, but who knows at this point.
Kushner Cos. is buying Vornado Realty Trust out of 666 Fifth Ave., ending a rocky partnership and failed turnaround attempt for the aging and indebted office tower.
The headquarters of the 5G rollout is 666 5th Ave in New York City, whose 6th floor previously housed the Lucifer Publishing Company and Alcatel Lucent’s labs where they developed the Inferno OS.
This building was bought out by Kushner in March 2018 with funding from Rothschild owned Vornado Realty. 666 5th Ave is at the center of a pentagram formed by Trump Tower, BlackRock Plaza, Rothschild NA, and two other buildings.PNG
I think JK and Trump have been cooperating to keep those two properties out of the direct control of the cabal, but who knows at this point.
rolls eyes
Sure, Trump who seems to have paid money to the NYC mobsters who control the construction business there, and who also made and distributed child pornography, and controlled underage prostitution (currently researching their involvement in the latter).
Imo Trump is an opportunist, who didn't bother where the mobsters got their money from, and Kushner might be into occult stuff.
I wonder who else rented the 6th floor there, or other floors in that building (will look for possible old posts about it later).
My dad went to work at the Bituminous Coal Commission [established under the Bituminous Coal Conservation Act of 1935], but then took over the family business when my grandfather died. We were brought up in Washington DC’s Shepherd Park neighborhood. The Gildenhorns are a small family, but well known in the city. My cousin, Joseph B. Gildenhorn, was the former U.S. ambassador to Switzerland (1989-1993). Another cousin, Stanton Gildenhorn, was well known in Democratic Party circles. My brother, Harry S. Gildenhorn, is a successful dentist in Rockville, Maryland.
Shit. I know where I've seen that mentioned before, and you are not going to like it. :-/ Q mentioned it in reference to Epstein Island last April. I don't think the anons made the connection to the same thing on the Comet Sign at that time, though. Good catch!
Right. I was saying the 8chan anons did not tie the two together when Q posted in April.
The anons on 4chan made the connection before Q mentioned the topic on 8chan. That's assuming the 4chan anon who mentioned the cardinal directions being evoked by the Comet sign was not part of the Q team (Q showed up on /pol/ October 28, 2017, unless FBIAnon was part of Qteam, in which case it would have been July 2016 and this Comet mention may well be an early "crumb").
That's assuming the 4chan anon who mentioned the cardinal directions being evoked by the Comet sign was not part of the Q team (Q showed up on /pol/ October 28, 2017, unless FBIAnon was part of Qteam, in which case it would have been July 2016 and this Comet mention may well be an early "crumb").
I don't think so tbh. More likely someone who has some superficial knowledge of magic rituals imo.
the guy with the blue apron has a halo, which might have a spiritual meaning.
yes, and in that case the trinket I mentioned could be construed as a prayer bracelet. The cloth with the red cross on it drapes down and hits the bottom of the chair and perhaps what appears as blood (symbolism is purposeful no doubt) is a tassel. It definitely resembles or brings to mind something that could be worn by someone part of the Knights Templar (or draped over casket).
Please also note: the guy on the right has a cloth on his knees where red bloods streams in form of a cross (although it also could be seen as a ribbon), it looks similar to the Templar's cross.
Biljana Djurdjevic's oil painting is steeped in art-historical quotations. People and horses in "Cabaret" remember Uc c ello, but they are reinterpreted into its opposite. From Uccello's dragon slayer w ill be a torture ready r henchman. In addition to allusions to the Renaissance , the striking figures suggest associations with socialist realism.
Saint George and the Dragon is a painting by Paolo Uccello dating from around 1470. It is on display in the National Gallery, London, United Kingdom.[1] It was formerly housed in the Palais Lanckoroński in Vienna, belonging to Count Lanckoroński and sold by his son and heir Anton in 1959 through Mr Farago. The first mention of it being there is 1898.
Gothicizing tendencies in Paolo Uccello's art are nowhere more apparent than in this painting. It shows a scene from the famous story of Saint George and the dragon. On the right George is spearing the beast, and on the left the princess is using her belt as a leash to take the dragon up to the town.
The painting is used as the basis for the U. A. Fanthorpe poem, Not My Best Side,[2] and may have served as inspiration for Sir John Tenniel's illustration of the Jabberwock in Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There.
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt - like I explained here:
When I see an artist doing pics like this, I always ask myself: Did they experience child abuse as a kid, and/or did they witness extreme forms of violence? Is this a way of coming to grips with what happened to them, or/and might this be a glorification of violence?
Or, as we surmised, was the artist in question commissioned to do the work by perps, doing paintings based on photographs depicting rape and child abuse?
Djurdjevic grew up in the former state of Yugoslavia, where a terrible war raged in the 1990s; countless women and girls where put in concentration camps, and raped, and often killed.
She grew up there. She might have witnessed some of the atrocities. And artists are often not able to influence to whom their artwork is sold by the galleries who represent them.
But then @Heisenberg123showed that she is friends on FB with both Tony Podesta and James Alefantis, and that did it for me.
Quote from my linked comment above continued:
There were speculations whether the tapestry in one of the Vanderbilt's estates, and the pool there, are identical with tapestry and a pool shown in Djurdjevic paintings, but people might have argued that she wasn't able to influence the sale of her paintings to Tony Podesta.
But since she and JA and Tony Podesta are FB friends, and she also liked JA on FB, you can be sure there is some deeper connection.
I know nothing of her CV/history, so I it's just a question at this point. Do we have a thread showing where Djurdjevic was working and living at different times? Because it sure as hell looks to me like she painted Anderson Cooper as a kid, too.
I'm saying we should compare their timelines before we rule it out. The fact that the backgrounds of her paintings look very very similar to the Biltmore Estate, which is owned by Cooper's family, seems a bit more than "improbable". Your own confirmation bias is causing you to dismiss it.
We should be able to find out if Djurdjevic had any association with the Vanderbilts. Of course it's also possible that she painted the pictures from photos taken by the abusers, and was never there in person.
Your own confirmation bias is causing you to dismiss it.
No. The facts are.
Let's start with some critical thinking. To begin with the odds of any American knowing a native Yugoslav during Communist rule would have been highly unlikely. Then the odds of two specific people knowing each other becomes extremely unlikely. Yugoslavia was Communist Police State that had the most political prisons after the USSR in Eastern Europe when she was growing up.
The fact that she is younger than Cooper makes the odds he posed for her as a child virtually nil.
Of course it's also possible that she painted the pictures from photos taken by the abusers, and was never there in person.
pretty big assumption you made there isn't there?
The fact that the backgrounds of her paintings look very very similar to the Biltmore Estate,
I genuinely don't see this. It's a pool with tiles. And her paintings have a pool with tiles, but different. And one of them has blue tiles which looks different. Is there something more than this image?
https://images2.imgbox.com/79/9e/VZboP0YA_o.png
I genuinely don't see this. It's a pool with tiles. And her paintings have a pool with tiles, but different.
I love how you "don't see" the ropes hanging down. Or find the fact that one of the kids looks like Cooper and one of the pools looks like his family estate pool to be odd, and cling to "they're not an exact match" as somehow evidence they are not related. If the art was commissioned by abusers, of course it would not be exact.
I love how you "don't see" the ropes hanging down.
And the ropes are very different and the tiles are different and one pool has filtration system. So the argument this must be the other because's they are both tiled pools with ropes?
Or find the fact that one of the kids looks like Cooper
or like ten thousand other little kids. It's not a strong resemblance to Cooper at all.
If the art was commissioned by abusers, of course it would not be exact.
Oh I see. Too get the objective paintings match, you first must come up with this massive ICEBERG of Assumption and Speculation and then crash to two together in a TITANIC bit of conspiracy making AND then it starts to make sense.
If the art was commissioned by abusers, of course it would not be exact.
So the art was commissioned by abusers? And to get a painting of a house in North Carolina, you would pick an artist in Belgrade. Sounds legit. And do you not even see how you trying to have it both ways, It's not exact because they needed to hide it was art commissioned by abusers, but also they made it so close that randos on the internet could point out multiple similarities.
The fact that the backgrounds of her paintings look very very similar to the Biltmore Estate
Yes, strikingly similar. And also remember that the pool in at least one of her paintings very much looks like the pool of the Biltmore Estate. (Not saying it's the same pool, but the similarity is odd.)
I put on my laundry list 'archive snippets of all photos of the Vanderbilt tapestry, and the tapestry Djurdjevic used in her paintings. So far, there isn't any of those tapestries that match 100%.
An 'innocent' explanation would be that she only did a tour at the Vanderbilt estate, and got inspired to use similar backgrounds.
A more sinister explanation would be that some sinister stuff has been going on there, and she witnessed it.
Third possibility: She was commissioned to do the paintings in a way that it's not 100% the Biltmore Estate, but everybody in the know will recognize the site in her paintings.
Sasha Lord also shows up at ANOTHER place linked to ritual abuse--Yogaville in Virginia. Although its reputation is not patently horrible, victims have come forward saying almost identical "mind-control" activities were occurring there.
While definitely not a reliable source, allegedly "unhinged" theorist Nico Haupt claimed Yogaville was a Tavistock/OSS mind-control hub, which has been my theory about Comet since late 2016.
When we assume that JA is CIA, then it would of course be possible that Sasha Lord could be as well (just speculation, of course). Since we know that the (co-)founder of the Omega Institute and his sister worked for MI6 (which is proven), and some people connected to the Institute are known ('former') CIA assets, like Gloria Steinem.
"It gets worse my friend. This djurdjevic person was probably involved in the mkultra stuff as you can see from her paintings. Pic related i found is her at 13 in 2008 on some kind of pop idol type show. Most likely mind controlled and this (((art))) points to it. Look at her dentist society collection and remember Epsteins dentist chair."
Hypnerotomachia Poliphili (/hiːpˌnɛəroʊtəˈmɑːkiːə pəˈliːfəˌliː/; from Greek ὕπνος hýpnos 'sleep', ἔρως érōs 'love', and μάχη máchē 'fight'), called in English Poliphilo's Strife of Love in a Dream or The Dream of Poliphilus, is a romance said to be by Francesco Colonna. It is a famous example of an Incunable (a work of early printing). The work was first published in 1499 in Venice. This first edition has an elegant page layout, with refined woodcut illustrations in an Early Renaissance style. Hypnerotomachia Poliphili presents a mysterious arcane allegory in which the main protagonist, Poliphilo pursues his love, Polia, through a dreamlike landscape. In the end, he is reconciled with her by the "Fountain of Venus".
..The 1993 novel, The Club Dumas by Arturo Pérez-Reverte mentions the 1545 edition of the Hypnerotomachia (chapter 3). The book is again mentioned in Polanski's 1999 film, The Ninth Gate, based loosely on Pérez-Reverte's novel (this time, by its Italian title, La Hypnerotomachia di Poliphilo).
WalnutSauceGoat ago
Dozens of Polish Catholics Show Up to Silently Pray at a Marina Abramovic Show, Claiming She Worships the Devil March 12, 2019 https://news.artnet.com/exhibitions/polish-catholics-protest-marina-abramovic-1485793
Vindicator ago
Nice addition. Thanks!
Buttfuckmebigfoot ago
Did anyone ever answer if a pizza oven gets hot enough to be a furnace for a human body
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
biljanadjurdjevic - https://archive.is/kBYrw and https://archive.is/I5VvE
wiki - https://archive.is/AJ1r2 and https://archive.is/E9QRn and https://archive.is/T3P5r and https://archive.is/EGSwi
artnet - https://archive.is/qUQId
sashalordpresents - https://archive.is/wwzly
twit - https://archive.is/V4dfo and https://archive.is/9eMUL
instagram - https://archive.is/SkL4B
steemit - https://archive.is/01V3r
oogle - https://archive.is/EBVER
images - https://archive.is/8IDbl and https://archive.is/kVQfj and https://archive.is/p89iM and https://archive.fo/8s5vk and https://archive.fo/Wd6Yg and https://archive.is/ZbQJC and https://archive.is/igt0s and https://archive.is/kkn6B
c-collection - https://archive.fo/eR5vr
petrahartl - https://archive.is/FlRBc
8ch - https://archive.is/7M15S
wapo - https://archive.is/aKqgx
prabook - https://archive.is/oKehx
wwla - https://archive.is/CByuU
nytimes - https://archive.is/VGbLK
bloomberg - https://web.archive.org/web/20180604081251/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01/vornado-to-sell-its-stake-in-troubled-666-fifth-to-kushner-cos
adst - https://archive.is/t508D
seecult - https://archive.is/WomeZ
rexpro - https://archive.is/AJE8A
newsound - https://web.archive.org/web/20190304170819/http://www.newsound.org.rs/pdf/en/ns44/New_Sound_44.pdf
Vindicator ago
You are such an asset to this sub :-)
Are_we_sure ago
Was this when they decided with zero evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer was involved?
Vindicator ago
No one ever said Dahmer was "involved". They thought it was pretty sick that Podesta would put a sculpture in his livingroom that was in the same pose as a perverted serial killer cannibal.
Are_we_sure ago
Involved in the pizzagate mythology.
Problem is the sculpture and the pose has nothing to do with Dahmer. It's a completely false assertion. But yet you get to claim it's sick relying 100% on the false relationship to a perverted serial killer cannibal. A relationship that only exists in the POL world, not a relationship that the artist had in mine or a relationship that would have occurred to anyone outside of a witch Hunt. I have some passing familiarity with the Dahmer case and always seemed to me to be a ridiculous claim because the poses are dissimilar
It's just amazing to how that became an agreed-upon fact when it was a completely unsupported claim. No rationalism, no skepticism applied at all, a wild claim immediately accepted as true.
For folks just joining us the Dahmer connection is debunked.
We know the artist's inspiration. We know the artist was working and doing sketches way before Dahmer was known. And this photo was not shown at his trial. The first time this photo was seen outside law enforcement seems to be in a textbook on homicide that came out years after the sculpture.
Vindicator ago
The Dahmer photo is real. The sculpture is real. Podesta choosing to own and proudly display it is real. Just because the sculpture predates Dahmer or is even completely "unconnected" does not mean they both don't refer to the same topic or weren't inspired by the same source. Nor does it absolve Podesta.
The fact you are trying so hard to push the idea we are saying that there was a direct and deliberate, witting, connection between them is dishonest. It's exactly what the NYT and WaPo continuously do by claiming that pizzagate is about Hillary molesting kids in the basement of Comet Ping Pong. We never claimed that. If you were as skeptical and critical a thinker as you pride yourself in being, you'd be wondering why they keep saying that.
Are_we_sure ago
I absolutely agree.
Agreed.
WTF? This leads to crazytown. Artist decides to paint scene from the Bible. Serial Killer crucifies his victim. No difference right? They were inspired by the same source weren't they? I mean one is a painting and one is murder, that might be a difference, but otherwise they are exactly the same otherwise.
This also ignores the fact that people can and do make great art out of horrific things. The Illiad, Oedipus Rex. Othello, the Pieta, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs, etc. And it does not make the people who appreciate that art horrible. You can also make lousy are out of horrific things as well.
Dishonest? Are you high? This is from the an executive summary of pizzagate on this very board, a FULLY SOURCED executive summary https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
This is claimed as a FACT which is how I encountered many, many times on VOAT. And the old /pol thread seems to be the source of this claim. Some anonymous person makes and claim and within minutes it's a fact.
No, it's because the origins of pizzagate make no sense whatsoever to an outsider and you can't easily sum them up in a few sentences in a news article. The incoherence begins with the dishonest use of Podesta's emails.
Vindicator ago
I am doing a cross-subverse sticky of this thread to v/pizzagate, so folks there can check it out, and also to raise awareness about your archive subverse, here, @think-. There's a lot of interesting stuff that's accumulated in the comments.
think- ago
Thank you, Vin. Much appreciated. :-)
Lots of interesting comments here for sure. :-)
letsdothis3 ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedTupHJvpg
http://rexpro.b92.net/rexold/exhibitdetail.htm
http://www.newsound.org.rs/pdf/en/ns44/New_Sound_44.pdf
voat links on Soros and contemporary art:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1616376/7895031
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1562211/7622640
letsdothis3 ago
She seems to have a fascination with internal organs http://www.seecult.org/vest/kabinet-cuda-biljane-durdevic
(2000) Hearts https://imgur.com/a/N1lP1Yc
Dentist Society : Church https://imgur.com/a/3SWAS9g
letsdothis3 ago
2002 Eastern Bunnies https://imgur.com/a/PjVM6vU
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/haole1995/serbia-djurjevi%C4%8D-bilijana/
@think-
darkknight111 ago
This needs to be cross posted to v/pizzagate ASAP.
Those paintings of a woodlands area. If my deductions are correct, given the other Biltmore Estate paintings, then those woodlands are based off the woodlands around that estate.
Which means that Human Hunts are happening on that estate. This links the dogs in that painting I made a thread about. The one with the guys wearing butcher’s belts.
I fucking knew it. There really are a chain of sick depraved murders of children going on in that estate.
think- ago
Yes, I remember that it was mentioned (as speculation) in one of the posts about the Biltmore Estate.
Do we know of any connections of Tony / John Podesta and James Alefantis to the Vanderbilts? Gloria Vanderbilt and A. Cooper, her son?
Vindicator ago
Google Search of "Djurdjevic Dentist Society" happened to turn up this interesting deleted thread about pizzagate art: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1469392.
Vindicator ago
I think we'd better get more eyes in front of this. In fact, it ought to be cross posted in v/pizzagate, so future diggers can find it if they do a subverse-limited search. I could sticky it there from here, or we could repost it as a separate submission. There's tons of stuff here. What do you think is best?
think- ago
Video about Djurdjevic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw3U2vGQJmA
think- ago
Found this interesting. An anon pointed it out (about the sign above CPP's door):
It had never occured to me that it might be important that the moon and the stars depicted four times might have a special meaning, i.e. might refer to the East, the West, the South, and the North.
swordfish69 ago
They're Mecca Shriners, there are plenty of photographs of people in the Comet inner circle wearing shriner hats with the star and crescent on it.
Are_we_sure ago
Who? The Comet Ping Pong crowd? Are you seriously making that claim?
think- ago
Ok, so I looked into the Shriners a bit. One of their main missions is providing money for kids charities they run. You'd expect that this alone would draw many pedos.
Also: Until 20 years or so, they only accepted 32 degree (!!) Freemasons of the Scottish Rite (!!) as members.
TL;DR: 3 red flags. Go figure!!
=> We really should look into them again.
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Lansing-Michigan ago
Roy Cohen was Trump's mentor into NY society.
think- ago
Yes. But I looked into it, and wasn't able to find a Shriner connection.
Still, Roy Cohen is fishy as hell, was rumoured to run child rape blackmail schemes for Hoover.
Are_we_sure ago
Roy Cohn, not Cohen. Nasty Guy. Trump and Roger Stone were students of his.
think- ago
Oh wow. Had no idea. Must have missed that. Would you maybe have some pics with examples - or even better ;-) - do a post about them and the Comet PP sign? That would be really awesome! :-) Thanks.
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think- ago
@swordfish69 @9217 @letsdothis3 @rooting4redpillers @kestrel9: please see my comment above, and the convo with Vindicator. Thanks!
letsdothis3 ago
Okay, time to look further into this... past voat posts about the CPP sign include:
History of the Comet Ping Pong sign
Joseph Bernard Gildenhorn - https://prabook.com/web/joseph_bernard.gildenhorn/512485
Check out his extensive list of 'achievements': https://wwlifetimeachievement.com/2018/08/22/joseph-bernard-gildenhorn/
He is co-founder of The JBG Companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBG_Smith
voat posts re LEED:
Main Kavanaugh Accuser 1 degree of separation from Steele Dossier
Voat posts re Vornado:
https://voat.co/v/QRV/2791785/14490787
List of names from http://octagon.lhohq.info/less-occult-than-the-pentagon-and-more-sides
NYC - Core Club: $50K Initiation Fee - Overnight Suites - Secret Entrance - Members: Clinton, Burkle, Ghislaine Maxwell, Rothschild - Focus on Modern "Art," Which May be Involved in Child Trafficking
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-01/vornado-to-sell-its-stake-in-troubled-666-fifth-to-kushner-cos
Interesting.
think- ago
rolls eyes
Sure, Trump who seems to have paid money to the NYC mobsters who control the construction business there, and who also made and distributed child pornography, and controlled underage prostitution (currently researching their involvement in the latter).
Imo Trump is an opportunist, who didn't bother where the mobsters got their money from, and Kushner might be into occult stuff.
I wonder who else rented the 6th floor there, or other floors in that building (will look for possible old posts about it later).
think- ago
Interesting. I always thought it was made specifically for CPP. I remember reading about the old Comet liquor shop though.
letsdothis3 ago
I seem to remember reading that the store had a basement and maybe connections to tunnels which were used during Prohibition.
think- ago
Hmm...
letsdothis3 ago
More about that family: Entrepreneur, Active Citizen, Neighbor, Hoya: Jeffrey Gildenhorn Reflects on his Experience in DC and Chevy Chase
Stanton Gildenhorn https://twitter.com/stantongildenh4
letsdothis3 ago
https://www.adst.org/OH%20TOCs/Gildenhorn,%20Joseph%20B.toc.pdf
He went to Woodrow Wilson High School : https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2912524/15584554
letsdothis3 ago
He was made ambassador by George Bush. He previously served as an attorney for the Securities and Exchange Commission (we have a number of posts on them) - see: https://books.google.ch/books?id=O0DVAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA313&lpg=PA313&dq=Ambassador+Gildenhorn+switzerland&source=bl&ots=yUXkPv5Jjf&sig=ACfU3U0x0yoIvfS4ywUyWeA5J-W9Oo3Q1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwirztre4-DgAhVB_CoKHWaDB44Q6AEwB3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=Ambassador%20Gildenhorn%20switzerland&f=false
Vindicator ago
Shit. I know where I've seen that mentioned before, and you are not going to like it. :-/ Q mentioned it in reference to Epstein Island last April. I don't think the anons made the connection to the same thing on the Comet Sign at that time, though. Good catch!
think- ago
No, this quote is from the 2016 post you linked, Vin.
Vindicator ago
Right. I was saying the 8chan anons did not tie the two together when Q posted in April.
The anons on 4chan made the connection before Q mentioned the topic on 8chan. That's assuming the 4chan anon who mentioned the cardinal directions being evoked by the Comet sign was not part of the Q team (Q showed up on /pol/ October 28, 2017, unless FBIAnon was part of Qteam, in which case it would have been July 2016 and this Comet mention may well be an early "crumb").
think- ago
I don't think so tbh. More likely someone who has some superficial knowledge of magic rituals imo.
think- ago
@rooting4redpillers @letsdothis3 @swordfish69 @9217 @kestrel9 - have you seen this post?
kestrel9 ago
thanks for the ping, will check out more soon. The Dental Society appears to be the Interrogation/dismemberment Team.
Vindicator ago
Did you notice the guy on the left is cupping his junk?
kestrel9 ago
And one is holding a trinket, like a souvenir off a victim.
think- ago
Also note that they wear hoods/masks, like you would expect of someone who tortures.
And although this is most likely a glass window in the door, the guy with the blue apron has a halo, which might have a spiritual meaning.
Please also note: the guy on the right has a cloth on his knees where red bloods streams in form of a cross, it looks similar to the Templar's cross.
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kestrel9 ago
yes, and in that case the trinket I mentioned could be construed as a prayer bracelet. The cloth with the red cross on it drapes down and hits the bottom of the chair and perhaps what appears as blood (symbolism is purposeful no doubt) is a tassel. It definitely resembles or brings to mind something that could be worn by someone part of the Knights Templar (or draped over casket).
think- ago
Yes, I think it might intentionally been painted in a way that it could be both - a tassel, or blood.
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kestrel9 ago
It definitely is intended to be blood, whether symbolically or a puddle. The reason why is unknown to us.
letsdothis3 ago
Or St. George's Cross.
letsdothis3 ago
http://www.petrahartl.at/hundundkunst/kuenstlerinnen/Djurdjevic%2C%20Biljana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonslayer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George_and_the_Dragon_(Uccello)
@think-
think- ago
Maybe we should check all Djurdjevic paintings for hidden meanings and symbols.
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think- ago
Ok.
think- ago
Welcome, @kestrel9.
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kestrel9 ago
I was being sarcastic. The men in the Dentist Society painting look like they torture, kill and dismember people.
think- ago
Ah ok, lol.
Yes, they do, indeed.
Vindicator ago
Pic in question: http://biljanadjurdjevic.com/2017/11/dentist-society
Google search
think- ago
Thanks!
think- ago
Thank you, Vin.
I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt - like I explained here:
But then @Heisenberg123 showed that she is friends on FB with both Tony Podesta and James Alefantis, and that did it for me.
Quote from my linked comment above continued:
Vindicator ago
Sasha Lord depicted in Djurdjevic mock Madonna painting titled Passion?
How old would Lord have been in 2011 when the painting was sold?
Are_we_sure ago
You seriously can't believe this can you? How would Djurdjevic even know about her?
Vindicator ago
I know nothing of her CV/history, so I it's just a question at this point. Do we have a thread showing where Djurdjevic was working and living at different times? Because it sure as hell looks to me like she painted Anderson Cooper as a kid, too.
think- ago
If this is Cooper in her painting, she has painted it using photographs. Cooper is six years older than Djurdjevic.
But we speculated at the time that she and other painters might have used photographs, so that the torturers would have 'trophies' to show around.
Vindicator ago
Yes. Here's the link to that, or at least one of the times it came up: https://archive.fo/PAaBY.
think- ago
Thanks.
Are_we_sure ago
Wow. You like your longshots don't you. Are you saying Anderson Cooper posed for her as a kid?
Might I suggest this is confirmation bias. And if we employ critical thinking, we can see how important this is.
Vindicator ago
I'm saying we should compare their timelines before we rule it out. The fact that the backgrounds of her paintings look very very similar to the Biltmore Estate, which is owned by Cooper's family, seems a bit more than "improbable". Your own confirmation bias is causing you to dismiss it.
We should be able to find out if Djurdjevic had any association with the Vanderbilts. Of course it's also possible that she painted the pictures from photos taken by the abusers, and was never there in person.
@think- @letsdothis3 @swordfish69 @kestrel9 See thread. Have we ever compared their timelines?
Are_we_sure ago
No. The facts are.
Let's start with some critical thinking. To begin with the odds of any American knowing a native Yugoslav during Communist rule would have been highly unlikely. Then the odds of two specific people knowing each other becomes extremely unlikely. Yugoslavia was Communist Police State that had the most political prisons after the USSR in Eastern Europe when she was growing up.
The fact that she is younger than Cooper makes the odds he posed for her as a child virtually nil.
pretty big assumption you made there isn't there?
I genuinely don't see this. It's a pool with tiles. And her paintings have a pool with tiles, but different. And one of them has blue tiles which looks different. Is there something more than this image? https://images2.imgbox.com/79/9e/VZboP0YA_o.png
Vindicator ago
I love how you "don't see" the ropes hanging down. Or find the fact that one of the kids looks like Cooper and one of the pools looks like his family estate pool to be odd, and cling to "they're not an exact match" as somehow evidence they are not related. If the art was commissioned by abusers, of course it would not be exact.
Are_we_sure ago
And the ropes are very different and the tiles are different and one pool has filtration system. So the argument this must be the other because's they are both tiled pools with ropes?
or like ten thousand other little kids. It's not a strong resemblance to Cooper at all.
Oh I see. Too get the objective paintings match, you first must come up with this massive ICEBERG of Assumption and Speculation and then crash to two together in a TITANIC bit of conspiracy making AND then it starts to make sense.
So the art was commissioned by abusers? And to get a painting of a house in North Carolina, you would pick an artist in Belgrade. Sounds legit. And do you not even see how you trying to have it both ways, It's not exact because they needed to hide it was art commissioned by abusers, but also they made it so close that randos on the internet could point out multiple similarities.
think- ago
Yes, strikingly similar. And also remember that the pool in at least one of her paintings very much looks like the pool of the Biltmore Estate. (Not saying it's the same pool, but the similarity is odd.)
I put on my laundry list 'archive snippets of all photos of the Vanderbilt tapestry, and the tapestry Djurdjevic used in her paintings. So far, there isn't any of those tapestries that match 100%.
An 'innocent' explanation would be that she only did a tour at the Vanderbilt estate, and got inspired to use similar backgrounds.
A more sinister explanation would be that some sinister stuff has been going on there, and she witnessed it.
Third possibility: She was commissioned to do the paintings in a way that it's not 100% the Biltmore Estate, but everybody in the know will recognize the site in her paintings.
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letsdothis3 ago
Lord's resume doesn't include her yoga and possibly Omega Institute affiliations: https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/2978836/16821171
Edit:
New Comet Ping Pong revelations: Photo evidence reveals 'Sasha Lord Presents' hosted show on rooftop of Standard Hotel, linked to MULTIPLE MK-Ultra/Tavistock locations.
@think-
think- ago
When we assume that JA is CIA, then it would of course be possible that Sasha Lord could be as well (just speculation, of course). Since we know that the (co-)founder of the Omega Institute and his sister worked for MI6 (which is proven), and some people connected to the Institute are known ('former') CIA assets, like Gloria Steinem.
letsdothis3 ago
It all makes sense, doesn't it.
think- ago
Yep.
letsdothis3 ago
Lord's resume doesn't include her yoga and possibly Omega Institute affiliations: https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/2978836/16821171
@think-
think- ago
Found this old Steemit post while looking for Sasha Lord's date of birth:
Mostly about JA's Instagram as of 2016. But might be worthwhile to read to find some info we might have missed.
(On a side note: Boy, it's so obvious this guy is into pedophilia....)
His sister gave a character refererence for a child molester - didn't remember that.
Yuke ago
Susan Alefantis is his mother.
think- ago
There's a Twitter hashtag #sashalord, with some interesting links to info and research:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/sashalord
letsdothis3 ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/ZgzN1pxxzW/
The 9:30 Club you say?
Another look at SPiN .. A story of basements and tunnels...
Vindicator ago
"It gets worse my friend. This djurdjevic person was probably involved in the mkultra stuff as you can see from her paintings. Pic related i found is her at 13 in 2008 on some kind of pop idol type show. Most likely mind controlled and this (((art))) points to it. Look at her dentist society collection and remember Epsteins dentist chair."
letsdothis3 ago
Here's a video of that: https://youtu.be/w5RjgSlRHac
It's not the same person http://biljanadjurdjevic.com/home/about
Those men in the Dentist Society paintings look Eastern European btw @think-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnerotomachia_Poliphili
think- ago
Interesting info, thanks!